User talk:Ais523
Recently, this page has started to get very large, so I archived it – you can find the old contents at User talk:ais523/Archive1 and User talk:ais523/Archive2.
Can you help fix this mess
Recently the "Translated ORK/xxxxx Again xx" pages are getting out of control, both the amount and their content has started to feel like spam, yet no one cared! I made a suggestion on Talk:Translated_ORK/Mihai_Again18.
No one noticed that, but that's IMO the current best solution for this situation. iddi01 dislikes Discord indefinitely (talk) (Semi-serious language list) (Uniсode) 07:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- User:None1 has been moving them to an off-site pastebin; I like that solution. --ais523 22:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've not finished yet, there's still much work to do.--None1 (Nope.) 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done! Now you can delete the blank pages! --None1 (Nope.) 11:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've deleted the pages that you moved, but there are a few that you missed: see Special:PrefixIndex/Translated ORK for a list of all pages there (also Special:PrefixIndex/User:Translated ORK for pages that were maed in userspace). --ais523 22:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done! Now you can delete the blank pages! --None1 (Nope.) 11:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've not finished yet, there's still much work to do.--None1 (Nope.) 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
File removal
hey, can you remove File:Text BABA 0.webp? I intended it for the Baba Is You page, but it didn't display correctly and went unused. it's also not public domain
thanks! —aadenboy (talk|contribs) 22:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Bug report
I found that User:Wheeli has been triggered 3 times of abuse-filter, but his edit is on Esolang:Introduce yourself, and he was required to edit Esolang:Introduce yourself for his first edit. --红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。 2024年12月9日（星期一），20:05 农历冬月初九 (CHN)
- In all three attempts, they deleted at least one line, which is forbidden, even if that line is empty. --Int-e (talk) 12:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm stopped to creating new more translated ORK.
I added a message to the latest page: This series will be moved to an online clipboard by None1. It looks like it's time to stop, but at least "！中文" and "脑子爆掉" will continue.
But I don't have time to making joke, so I'll concentrate to the serious and semi-serious Esolang, even Pratilang(Pratical programming languages).
--红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。 2024年12月12日 双十二（星期四），19:34 农历冬月十二 (CHN)
The title is the opposite of what you want to say. Stop to do something means you stop what you're doing now and do the thing. --None1 (Nope.) 14:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- do you have a stroke or somethingUser:Gaham (Discord:belarusianflag)
Please ban User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries.
Title. Someone who is said that is ColorfulGalaxy's friend, recently started to revert something in the talk pages, crazily.
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- While you were writing your message, I was already changing the site settings to prevent them from editing other users' user talk pages. --ais523 23:48, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Also, If you have time, please check the bug in tokenization. Here.
category removal
should Category:Discussion be removed? —aadenboy (talk|contribs) 19:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- It should (it's an undiscussed/unapproved category and is redundant to Special:AllPages/Talk:) – I've deleted it. Thanks for catching it. --ais523 19:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Soft redirect
If a user changes his/her username (or uses another account), is it possible to soft-redirect the user page of the original account to the new user page?
--北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年1月23日（星期四），13:21 农历腊月廿四 (CHN)
- As long as it's in userspace, you can even use a hard redirect for that. --ais523 01:56, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
I simply use the page without the User: prefix for redirect to my userpage.
It is actually a redirect page to my user page(with yellow background in my signature). --北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年1月30日（星期四），13:12 农历正月初二 (CHN)
- Pages in the main namespace are supposed to be used for esolangs, not users (and you are not an esolang). In general one principle of this wiki is to ensure that readers don't end up on userpages (which may be less accurate due to not being collaboratively edited) without a clear warning that they're going there: see Esolang:Authors and Esolang talk:Authors. I have deleted the redirect. (In general, this wiki is supposed to be about documenting esolangs, not a social network for users to talk to each other, so having easy links to userpages is not particularly useful for its intended purpose.) --ais523 05:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
I seem to find that I've written a lot of more formal programming languages.
Will that legal in this Wiki?
Also, I think there are some page that isn't in the correct namespace, such as both XKCD Random Number(program form) and Project Euler(program form family) are in User namespace.
--北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年1月30日（星期四），17:50 农历正月初二 (CHN)
- This wiki is only for esoteric programming languages, but I think most languages that can be written by a single person in a small length of time will fit the definition, unless they're close derivatives of practical programming languages. If a language doesn't have a serious chance of being favoured by someone for practical programming over the existing practical languages that exist for that purpose, it is probably an esolang. --ais523 09:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
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I've looked for the recent changes, and found that you've hidden a lot of versions of Sandbox and Introduction page. How can you do this rapidly, and why did you do that? --北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年2月1日（星期六），17:08 农历正月初四 (CHN)
- hide page content to prevent crawlers diffing it, placing immense load on the server
- that's why he did that, and that's probably the reason why I couldn't join the esolangs.org websiteUser:Gaham (Discord:belarusianflag)
- There are some Web-crawling bots that were trying to access every diff of every page, even though they aren't allowed to do so, and we've been having trouble blocking them. They were overloading the esolangs.org server with the requests, meaning that it was inaccessible for a while because the server was too busy with bot requests to handle the requests from humans. So I went and hid the old diffs of large pages so that the bots couldn't collapse the server via sending lots of requests for them (large pages can take a lot of server resources to diff). If the bots move onto other large pages, I will hide the diffs there, too. The changes were entirely made to help keep the site safe from bots and weren't in response to any action by the human users. (Incidentally, this sort of thing is also why we have a limit on how big pages can get – it is best to avoid this sort of situation arising via preventing pages getting too large in the first place.) --ais523 12:39, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
- As for how I could do it rapidly – tabbed browsing and clicking quickly. I've had a lot of practice cleaning up after spambots in the past, and it doesn't take me long to, for example, manually delete 100 pages created by the same user (the inputs are very simple so you can do them quickly with practice), even if I have to check to make sure that I'm deleting the right pages. Hiding revisions is not quite the same inputs, but the same technique can be used. --ais523 12:44, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
Decode my message on here and you'll get things I say.
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--北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年2月8日（星期六），15:31 农历正月十一 (CHN)
So do I need to move out all pages from the deleted category "Medium-Level"?
Title.
- I would recommend doing so – it usually doesn't make sense to leave deleted category links on pages. --ais523 11:45, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Being-Debated
I may have misplaced this sentence, but I'd like to be able to create a "being debated" category to store some of the items that are still in dispute.
Page in need of deletion
Can you delete this page? I accidentally created it while attempting to move a page. Hotcrystal0 (talk) 18:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
please delete Bake and User:Ractangle/Debating too thx
Apollo(PSTF)
Please delete this page. I created it accidentally, and already moved to Apollo (PSTF). Note that I often don't sign my post because fixing time is too annoying. --北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。 2025年4月3日（星期四），19:38 农历三月初六 寒食节 (CHN)
Creating a new category?
... for those high-level languages that is only implemented in an alternate universe. Examples include many PSTF's thing. --_i__s__l__p__t__n__g_ 13:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Signature
Why does the signature I want not work? It’s this:
hotcrystal0
Hotcrystal0 (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Nevermind; I got it to work. hotcrystal0 16:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Someone is trying to summon you!
10,000,000,001(TenBillionPlusOne) mentioned you at Tommyaweosmalt's talking page.
- there isn't a proper way to mention a person in wiki'sUser:Gaham (Discord:belarusianflag)
Deleted image file
Sorry for submitting most likely copyrighted work as an image, but if I was to replace it all with public domain images, would it still be allowed? Or is page decoration images/image headers not allowed on the wiki if they don't add value to the specification? If not, I understand. --RainbowDash (talk) 03:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Purely decorative images are offtopic because the purpose of the wiki is to describe esoteric programming languages, and a decorative image doesn't do that. (They also have a tendency to be copyright violations.) --ais523 11:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
Challenge
Can you prove Forthrooms Turing-complete (or not)? TBPO 16:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- You should clarify what "move left" means in the specification. Does it involve turning in place, moving without turning, or moving and turning? --ais523 17:21, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Turning in place. TBPO 19:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's probably Turing-complete, but am not sure and don't have a proof. That said, some of the examples on the page seem to be wrong, e.g. the "p8 loop" starts with the "p12 loop" so should execute the same way (with the last two commands never running). A TCness proof would likely involve writing program fragments that do things like simulate counters or queues, and it seems like it could be difficult to get those right without an interpreter to check them. (The main obstacle to a TCness proof is related to control flow – it is hard to write a conditional statement that acts sufficiently differently based on the results of the conditional, because it is hard to get arbitrary numbers into the rooms.) --ais523 15:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Turning in place. TBPO 19:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
I have a question about the “unnoticed categories”
So, here’s the question. Will you not delete these categories when I add them to the Esolang:Categorization if I only add the ones with atleast three different creators that made the esolangs on there? Just asking so I don’t hurt your feelings and another Category like Category:Sus that was on there for a long time doesn’t get deleted because of it. Won’t ask again so I don’t annoy you.
-Elijah “helpe” Hunt
- It's not really about who created the esolangs, but about whether the category itself is well-designed. Designing a category properly is hard, and almost all attempts to create categories tend to have problems, which is why we've left the "no unapproved categories" rule in place. In particular, before creating the category, there's a need to work out a definition for which languages fit in it (often related to computer-science concepts), and whether it's better as a category or as a list or a set of "see also" links. The category description page is also often hard to write correctly – ideally it should link to an article about the topic, and should make it clear which languages are and aren't covered (even some of our existing long-standing categories, like Category:Unimplemented, aren't up to this standard yet).
- Additionally, this isn't really about my feelings – I do most of the admin actions on Esolang so I'm the most visible person in enforcing the Esolang:Policy, but the decisions are made by a much wider range of people (e.g. the categories rule was in place even before I first joined the wiki). The most recent deletions were in response to other people (not me) getting annoyed at all the additions to Esolang:Categorization and thinking that most of the categories shouldn't exist. --ais523 01:38, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Movie
It's a redirect12 to Kava. Try delete it? -- i s l p t n g 05:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- The situation with those pages is more complicated than it looks, which is why I've postponed trying to sort it out until I can really concentrate on it. (Someone was in the habit of trying to delete pages by renaming them to an unrelated page name and then editing the page into something unrelated, and it's going to take time to sort through all the page histories to work out whether any important information got lost in the process and/or to move the information back to the right locations. I've been leaving the redirects alone until I can dedicate time to trying to fix the issue.) --ais523 21:26, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- it is my own fault, I can't have consistencyUser:Gaham (Discord:belarusianflag)
Filter 16
I found out about this recently. Filter 16 does not work (on mainspace not talk pages) if you are using ~~~ to expand into your signature and your signature has a non-standard link. Is this intentional or not? hotcrystal0 23:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- It isn't intentional, but it's hard to write a filter to handle all the possible cases. Note that the policy of not hiding the User: prefix exists whether or not the filter actually catches people breaking the policy, so if people are intentionally trying to get around the filter it's a sign that they're intentionally breaking the policy. --ais523 00:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- I found this unintentionally, which is why I reported it to you. I already did the signature thing with my username, and I tried to link to someone else with the display text, and it triggered the filter. (by the way I love how you used the UTC when signing a page) hotcrystal0 00:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
Can you prove computatioal class for esolang xVector?
Title. --None1 (Nope.) 12:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- That was confusing to think about, but I figured it out – it's equivalent to a 1-counter Minsky machine. (The fundamental difference is that Vector's control flow requires A to be on a plane, which lets you store two counters' worth of information, whereas xVector's control flow requires A to be on a line, which only lets you store one counter's worth of information.)
- The previous sentence was difficult to express in English, which doesn't really have a good unit for "the amount of information one counter can store" – I think "counter's worth" or "counterful" are the most reasonable ways to express it but neither is commonly used/standard. I'm wondering whether it's easier to express in Chinese, which has a larger set of words for representing quantities (including some cases where English doesn't have a commonly used word at all). --ais523 13:41, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Candidates for deletion
I've created a page where I add every candidiate for deletion:
Esolang:Candidates for deletion
Please watch that page and delete all pages that are listed there. --(this comment by TenBillionPlusOne at 17:01, 31 May 2025 UTC; please sign your comments with ~~~~)