Old page wikitext, before the edit (old_wikitext) | 'Recently, this page has started to get very large, so I archived it – you can find the old contents at [[User talk:ais523/Archive1]] and [[User talk:ais523/Archive2]].
== Can you help fix [[Joke_language_list#Horribly_translated_variants|this mess]] ==
Recently the "Translated ORK/xxxxx Again xx" pages are getting out of control, both the amount and their content has started to feel like spam, yet no one cared! I made a suggestion on [[Talk:Translated_ORK/Mihai_Again18]].
No one noticed that, but that's IMO the current best solution for this situation. [[User:iddi01|iddi01]] [[Perl#Esolangs.org_version_(unofficial)|'''d'''islikes '''D'''iscord]] '''i'''ndefinitely ([[User_talk:iddi01|talk]]) ([[Semi-serious language list]]) ([[Uniсode]]) 07:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:None1]] has been moving them to an off-site pastebin; I like that solution. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:51, 29 November 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I've not finished yet, there's still much work to do.--[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Done! Now you can delete the blank pages! --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I've deleted the pages that you moved, but there are a few that you missed: see [[Special:PrefixIndex/Translated ORK]] for a list of all pages there (also [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Translated ORK]] for pages that were maed in userspace). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:03, 11 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:::::I see, I will create another pastebin for that. --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== File removal ==
hey, can you remove [[:File:Text BABA 0.webp]]? I intended it for the [[Baba Is You]] page, but it didn't display correctly and went unused. it's also not public domain
thanks! <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 22:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:24, 6 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Bug report ==
I found that [[User:Wheeli]] has been triggered 3 times of abuse-filter, but his edit is on [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]], and he was required to edit [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] for his first edit. --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。</span>]] 2024年12月9日（星期一），20:05 农历冬月初九 ([[大白话|CHN]])
: In all three attempts, they deleted at least one line, which is forbidden, even if that line is empty. --[[User:Int-e|Int-e]] ([[User talk:Int-e|talk]]) 12:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== I'm stopped to creating new more translated ORK. ==
I added a message to the latest page: <span style='color:red;font-family:Segoe UI;'><b>This series will be moved to an online clipboard by None1. It looks like it's time to stop, but at least "！中文" and "脑子爆掉" will continue.</b></span>
But I don't have time to making joke, so I'll concentrate to the serious and semi-serious Esolang, even Pratilang(Pratical programming languages).
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。</span>]] 2024年12月12日 双十二（星期四），19:34 农历冬月十二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
The title is the opposite of what you want to say. Stop to do something means you stop what you're doing now and do the thing. --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 14:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:do you have a stroke or something<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== Please ban [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries]]. ==
Title. Someone who is said that is ColorfulGalaxy's friend, recently started to revert something in the talk pages, <b>crazily</b>.<br>
[[User:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]]
:While you were writing your message, I was already changing the site settings to prevent them from editing other users' user talk pages. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 23:48, 12 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:: Is the filter only for him, or for everyone? [[User:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]][[User:ZCX islptng| ]] 01:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
::: It doesn't affect most users (but there is more than one user who has a similar restriction). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:44, 13 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
Also, If you have time, please check the bug in tokenization. [[SLet/Implementation|Here.]]
== category removal ==
should [[:Category:Discussion]] be removed? <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 19:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:It should (it's an undiscussed/unapproved category and is redundant to [[Special:AllPages/Talk:]]) – I've deleted it. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 19:22, 10 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Soft redirect ==
If a user changes his/her username (or uses another account), is it possible to soft-redirect the user page of the original account to the new user page?
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月23日（星期四），13:21 农历腊月廿四 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:As long as it's in userspace, you can even use a hard redirect for that. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:56, 26 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I simply use the page without the User: prefix for redirect to my userpage. ==
[[PrySigneToFry]]
It is actually a redirect page to my user page(with yellow background in my signature). --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月30日（星期四），13:12 农历正月初二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:Pages in the main namespace are supposed to be used for esolangs, not users (and you are not an esolang). In general one principle of this wiki is to ensure that readers don't end up on userpages (which may be less accurate due to not being collaboratively edited) without a clear warning that they're going there: see [[Esolang:Authors]] and [[Esolang talk:Authors]]. I have deleted the redirect. (In general, this wiki is supposed to be about documenting esolangs, not a social network for users to talk to each other, so having easy links to userpages is not particularly useful for its intended purpose.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 05:35, 30 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I seem to find that I've written a lot of more formal programming languages. ==
Will that legal in this Wiki?
Also, I think there are some page that isn't in the correct namespace, such as both XKCD Random Number(program form) and Project Euler(program form family) are in User namespace.
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月30日（星期四），17:50 农历正月初二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:This wiki is only for [[esoteric programming language]]s, but I think most languages that can be written by a single person in a small length of time will fit the definition, unless they're close derivatives of practical programming languages. If a language doesn't have a serious chance of being favoured by someone for practical programming over the existing practical languages that exist for that purpose, it is probably an esolang. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 09:54, 30 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== ? ==
I've looked for the recent changes, and found that you've hidden a lot of versions of Sandbox and Introduction page. How can you do this rapidly, and why did you do that? --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年2月1日（星期六），17:08 农历正月初四 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:''hide page content to prevent crawlers diffing it, placing immense load on the server''
:that's why he did that, and that's probably the reason why I couldn't join the esolangs.org website<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
:There are some Web-crawling bots that were trying to access every diff of every page, even though they aren't allowed to do so, and we've been having trouble blocking them. They were overloading the esolangs.org server with the requests, meaning that it was inaccessible for a while because the server was too busy with bot requests to handle the requests from humans. So I went and hid the old diffs of large pages so that the bots couldn't collapse the server via sending lots of requests for them (large pages can take a lot of server resources to diff). If the bots move onto other large pages, I will hide the diffs there, too. The changes were entirely made to help keep the site safe from bots and weren't in response to any action by the human users. (Incidentally, this sort of thing is also why we have a limit on how big pages can get – it is best to avoid this sort of situation arising via preventing pages getting too large in the first place.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 12:39, 1 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:As for how I could do it rapidly – tabbed browsing and clicking quickly. I've had a lot of practice cleaning up after spambots in the past, and it doesn't take me long to, for example, manually delete 100 pages created by the same user (the inputs are very simple so you can do them quickly with practice), even if I have to check to make sure that I'm deleting the right pages. Hiding revisions is not quite the same inputs, but the same technique can be used. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 12:44, 1 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Decode my message on [https://lutter.cc/malbolge/debugger.html here] and you'll get things I say. ==
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--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年2月8日（星期六），15:31 农历正月十一 ([[大白话|CHN]])
== So do I need to move out all pages from the deleted category "Medium-Level"? ==
Title.
:I would recommend doing so – it usually doesn't make sense to leave deleted category links on pages. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:45, 9 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Category:Being-Debated ==
I may have misplaced this sentence, but I'd like to be able to create a "being debated" category to store some of the items that are still in dispute.
== Page in need of deletion ==
Can you delete [[Hotcrystal0/🕳️Q9+|this page]]? I accidentally created it while attempting to move a page. [[User:Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) 18:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:I've deleted it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:41, 5 March 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
please delete [[Bake]] and [[User:Ractangle/Debating]] too thx <div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== [[Apollo(PSTF)]] ==
Please delete this page. I created it accidentally, and already moved to [[Apollo (PSTF)]]. Note that I often don't sign my post because fixing time is too annoying. --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年4月3日（星期四），19:38 农历三月初六 寒食节 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:Done. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:20, 3 April 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Creating a new category? ==
... for those high-level languages that is only implemented in an alternate universe. Examples include many PSTF's thing. --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 13:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
== Signature ==
Why does the signature I want not work? It’s this:<br />
[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta</span>l0</span>]]
<br /> [[User:Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) 16:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Nevermind; I got it to work. [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 16:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
== Someone is trying to summon you! ==
10,000,000,001(TenBillionPlusOne) mentioned you at Tommyaweosmalt's talking page.
:there isn't a proper way to mention a person in wiki's<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
::"PiSpaceships"? Huh. What's the matter? --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 07:33, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
== Deleted image file ==
Sorry for submitting most likely copyrighted work as an image, but if I was to replace it all with public domain images, would it still be allowed? Or is page decoration images/image headers not allowed on the wiki if they don't add value to the specification? If not, I understand. --[[User:RainbowDash|RainbowDash]] ([[User talk:RainbowDash|talk]]) 03:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
:Purely decorative images are offtopic because the purpose of the wiki is to describe esoteric programming languages, and a decorative image doesn't do that. (They also have a tendency to be copyright violations.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:03, 28 April 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Challenge ==
Can you prove [[Forthrooms]] [[Turing-complete]] (or not)? [[User:TenBillionPlusOne|TB]][[User talk:TenBillionPlusOne|PO]] 16:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:You should clarify what "move left" means in the specification. Does it involve turning in place, moving without turning, or moving and turning? --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:21, 3 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::Turning in place. [[User:TenBillionPlusOne|TB]][[User talk:TenBillionPlusOne|PO]] 19:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I think it's probably Turing-complete, but am not sure and don't have a proof. That said, some of the examples on the page seem to be wrong, e.g. the "p8 loop" starts with the "p12 loop" so should execute the same way (with the last two commands never running). A TCness proof would likely involve writing program fragments that do things like simulate counters or queues, and it seems like it could be difficult to get those right without an interpreter to check them. (The main obstacle to a TCness proof is related to control flow – it is hard to write a conditional statement that acts sufficiently differently based on the results of the conditional, because it is hard to get arbitrary numbers into the rooms.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:27, 5 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I have a question about the “unnoticed categories” ==
So, here’s the question.
Will you not delete these categories when I add them to the [[Esolang:Categorization]] if I only add the ones with atleast three different creators that made the esolangs on there? Just asking so I don’t hurt your feelings and another Category like Category:Sus that was on there for a long time doesn’t get deleted because of it. Won’t ask again so I don’t annoy you.
-Elijah “helpe” Hunt
:It's not really about who created the esolangs, but about whether the category itself is well-designed. Designing a category properly is hard, and almost all attempts to create categories tend to have problems, which is why we've left the "no unapproved categories" rule in place. In particular, before creating the category, there's a need to work out a definition for which languages fit in it (often related to computer-science concepts), and whether it's better as a category or as a list or a set of "see also" links. The category description page is also often hard to write correctly – ideally it should link to an article about the topic, and should make it clear which languages are and aren't covered (even some of our existing long-standing categories, like [[:Category:Unimplemented]], aren't up to this standard yet).
:Additionally, this isn't really about my feelings – I do most of the admin actions on Esolang so I'm the most visible person in enforcing the [[Esolang:Policy]], but the decisions are made by a much wider range of people (e.g. the categories rule was in place even before I first joined the wiki). The most recent deletions were in response to other people (not me) getting annoyed at all the additions to Esolang:Categorization and thinking that most of the categories shouldn't exist. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:38, 11 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== [[Movie]] ==
It's a redirect<sup>12</sup> to [[Kava]]. Try delete it? --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 05:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
:The situation with those pages is more complicated than it looks, which is why I've postponed trying to sort it out until I can really concentrate on it. (Someone was in the habit of trying to delete pages by renaming them to an unrelated page name and then editing the page into something unrelated, and it's going to take time to sort through all the page histories to work out whether any important information got lost in the process and/or to move the information back to the right locations. I've been leaving the redirects alone until I can dedicate time to trying to fix the issue.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 21:26, 14 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::it is my own fault, I can't have consistency<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== Filter 16 ==
I found out about this recently. Filter 16 does not work (on mainspace not talk pages) if you are using ~~<nowiki />~ to expand into your signature and your signature has a non-standard link. Is this intentional or not? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 23:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:It isn't intentional, but it's hard to write a filter to handle all the possible cases. Note that the policy of not hiding the User: prefix exists whether or not the filter actually catches people breaking the policy, so if people are intentionally trying to get around the filter it's a sign that they're intentionally breaking the policy. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 00:01, 21 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I found this unintentionally, which is why I reported it to you. I already did the signature thing with my username, and I tried to link to someone else with the display text, and it triggered the filter. <small>(by the way I love how you used the UTC when signing a page)</small> [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 00:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== Can you prove computatioal class for esolang [[xVector]]? ==
Title. --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 12:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:That was confusing to think about, but I figured it out – it's equivalent to a 1-counter Minsky machine. (The fundamental difference is that [[Vector]]'s control flow requires ''A'' to be on a plane, which lets you store two counters' worth of information, whereas xVector's control flow requires ''A'' to be on a line, which only lets you store one counter's worth of information.)
:The previous sentence was difficult to express in English, which doesn't really have a good unit for "the amount of information one counter can store" – I think "counter's worth" or "counterful" are the most reasonable ways to express it but neither is commonly used/standard. I'm wondering whether it's easier to express in Chinese, which has a larger set of words for representing quantities (including some cases where English doesn't have a commonly used word at all). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:41, 23 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I don't think there is a specific quantity word for counters in Chinese (since there's no such thing as counters in ancient China), but "一计数器的信息" (which directly translates to "a counter of information") may be an option. --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
== Candidates for deletion ==
I've created a page where I add every candidiate for deletion:<br>
[[Esolang:Candidates for deletion]]<br>
Please watch that page and delete all pages that are listed there. {{unsigned|17:01, 31 May 2025|TenBillionPlusOne}}
:That page is not an esolang, so it shouldn't be in the main namespace. In general, it is probably a bad idea to try to create new admin processes without discussing them first. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:06, 31 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== scrapped template ==
could you delete [[Template:Minpre]]? <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 17:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
==question==
why is there no option for leaving a redirect, that option could make less redirects<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:mrglebsun) </div><br />
:MediaWiki does that intentionally to make it harder for people to break links to existing pages – normally if a page is being renamed (for a reason other than having been created with a typoed name or in the wrong namespace), you want links to the old page name to still work. For example, even if an esolang is renamed, some people might know it by the old name, so it's useful for people who are trying to learn about esolangs to be able to find it with a search. (Some users are allowed to move pages without leaving behind redirects, for fixing that sort of situation – but on this wiki that's limited to admins.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 23:59, 21 June 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::oh<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:mrglebsun) </div><br />
== How do you know a category is useful? ==
Like, what are the requirements? Just curious.
Also, check out [[:Special:Categories]] it has categories that aren’t deleted but IMO useless.(like sandies) --[[User:Helpeesl|Helpeesl]] ([[User talk:Helpeesl|talk]]) 00:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:Generally categories are most useful if they apply to a large proportion of all the pages on the wiki, and where there isn't much need for additional text explaining how the page fits into the category (because unlike lists, category pages don't have a way to provide insight into why particular pages are included). That means that they also work better when they're categorising an objective property of a language. On the other hand, they shouldn't be things that apply to almost every language on the wiki, because then it would be more useful to have a list of exceptions. ([[:Category:Low-level]] was probably a mistake because of this, because in practice people make a lot more low-level esolangs than high-level ones.)
:When only a few pages fit, linking them via "see also" is more useful because people who are interested in one language with the property in question might also be interested in others – a category wouldn't clue that very well, but a "see also" section does. When there's a medium number of pages, maintaining a list to individual languages in each others' "see also" lists becomes unwieldy, so it makes more sense to make a list page that can describe the languages in general, and link to that. This is part of the reason why there's such a high bar for making categories here: for most properties you would want to categorise, there are better ways to do it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 07:58, 22 June 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== LifeViewer ==
Is it possible to add [[life:LifeViewer|LifeViewer]] to this wiki? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 16:10, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
:I once tried to add LifeViewer to [[Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer|Here]], but failed. By the way, some esolang, like Tile, and Piet, there should be a Pixel Art viewer, and cellular automata esolangs need them too--[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 01:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
:It isn't up to me – I just moderate the wiki, I don't own it. But it doesn't make much sense to have a built-in interpreter on the wiki for one rarely used esolang when there are much more commonly used esolangs for which an interpreter would be more useful. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 03:08, 2 July 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:Who owns the wiki then? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 11:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
:: bytemark owns it now, but [[user:graue]] used to own it. <div style="display:block-inline;background-image:linear-gradient(to right, #80FF80, #FFC080);">[[user:tommyaweosmalt|tommy]][[user_talk:tommyaweosmalt|aweosmALT]]</div> 15:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
== Timezone ==
I've found that when I use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign, the timezone is always in Great Britain(UTC+0). I had to use my own sign format, and I must use the time-input that supported by my IME. I think that everyone from everywhere will also have this problem.
By the way, I shortened my signature into a template belong to my userpage! --{{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年7月9日（星期三）， 19:10 农历六月十五}}
:you can change your timezone in Preferences → Appearance → Time Zone, but I'm not sure if it applies to signatures. I personally leave it as UTC for consistency with the rest of the wiki <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 12:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
:Signatures are supposed to be in UTC+0 so that it's possible to compare the times at which different peoples' comments were posted. For example, your signature makes it look like your comment was posted after aadenboy's because the time is greater, but it was actually posted beforehand; using the same time zone for every signature avoids that problem. (Note that Great Britain is not on UTC+0 time at the moment: it changes depending on the time of year, and is currently UTC+1. But British people nonetheless post their signatures in UTC+0 all year.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:02, 9 July 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::If you saw my signature, you'll find there is a lunar-calendar date in my signature which can prove that I'm from China or at least I'm an overseas Chinese. China uses UTC+8(which I marked it with CHN but more official abbreviation of that is CST), so, to compare my time with UTC+0, reduce the signature-time with 8 hours. --{{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年7月11日（星期五）， 10:44 农历六月十七}}
==Apology==
Sorry I accidentally posted the deletion request on your userpage instead of your talk page. I was in a rush. [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 14:22, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
== About the new addition to [[Esolang:Policy]] ==
<blockquote>Articles should be on the subject of [[esoteric programming language]]s, or about subjects relevant to these, for example computation theory.</blockquote>
Would cellular automata be considered an appropriate topic for this wiki? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span>
:Not to speak for ais523, but I'd like to think that specific pages I've worked on, particularly [[cellular automaton]] and [[Game of Life]], show that esoteric PL research includes cellular automata. They were already listed in [[timeline of esoteric programming languages]] ''before'' I started expanding it, too. If you're looking for a rule of thumb, I'd propose including anything that [[wikipedia:John Von Neumann|Von Neumann]] or [[wikipedia:Alan Turing|Turing]] touched. (Don't touch [[wikipedia:Conus textile|''C. textile'']] though!) [[User:Corbin|Corbin]] ([[User talk:Corbin|talk]]) 01:01, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
Cellular automata that have nontrivial behaviour can be used to program with, and so count as esoteric programming languages – they're a nonstandard model of computation. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 04:09, 11 August 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Why did you delete [[User:I am islptng/Game:Nonsense]]? It's in a user page! ==
--{{User:I am islptng/Template:Signature}}[[User:I am islptng| ]] 04:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
:Not even user pages get to ignore the rules about what is and isn't ontopic: the intended purpose of userspace is for drafts and discussions that will eventually help the main wiki get better. This isn't a general-purpose hosting site, it's specific to a particular topic.
:It's generally important for this sort of wiki to stay ontopic for two reasons: a) offtopic content is hard to moderate correctly and failing to moderate a site correctly can be illegal in some countries, b) the people who are paying to host the wiki are paying to host the esoteric-programming-language related content, but offtopic content also puts load on the servers and costs money to host, but nobody is paying for that. It is thus possible that the wiki could get into legal trouble, or lose its funding, if there are too many offtopic pages.
:The reason I deleted that page in particular is that it was being used by multiple users to post arbitrary offtopic content, which is a big danger sign: this site is not a general-purpose discussion forum, and if people are trying to use it like one, that's one of the biggest risks to the site losing its status. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 05:00, 11 August 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Can you prove computational class for esolang [[LongJump]]? ==
Title --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 10:28, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:You should clarify exactly how the grid wraps – LongJump contains all the commands that Nopfunge does, so if it wraps in exactly the same way as Nopfunge you can just run Nopfunge programs as LongJump programs and prove Turing-completeness that way. If it doesn't wrap exactly the same way, then you will need to say the exact rules for how it does wrap, because it might end up mattering. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:55, 9 September 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::It wraps the same as NopFunge, and the direction changing commands are removed (I added them accidentally). --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 05:38, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
==Esolangs forums?==
Is there any previous discussion on creating a forum for discussion about esolangs? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="color:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="color:white;">rys</span>ta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 19:51, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:We've tried it in the past, it didn't really work (the forum wasn't used much and eventually got overtaken by spambots.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:57, 16 October 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Syzygy ==
Can you please move [[Esolang:Syzygy]] to [[Syzygy]] with a message saying that the Esolang namespace is for stuff relating to the wiki itself? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="color:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="color:white;">rys</span>ta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 19:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
== Why don't we have amboxes? ==
They're very useful... '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 22:14, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:Because we don't have cleanup tags – the top-of-article notes that we have on Esolang are the equivalent of Wikpedia's hatnotes, not Wikpedia's amboxes. (Nor do I think cleanup tags would be useful. The purpose of those on Wikipedia is to help editors find articles that need cleanup, and to attract casual readers reading the article to edit to perform a cleanup. Finding articles on Esolang that need cleanup isn't exactly difficult, and the odds that a casual reader would help with a cleanup task are very low.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:17, 23 November 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Why do so many people delete lines from Introduce yourself? ==
I've seen that in many filter 9 hits '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 23:06, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
== Bbtos talk page ==
The bbtos memorial languages talk page is filled with angry people just kinda screaming at each other, so maybe we should delete it?(there isnt much point in keeping it around anyway) --[[User:Yayimhere2(school)|Yayimhere2(school)]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere2(school)|talk]]) 10:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
== Chess again ==
Maybe I should jump in so early, BUT, theyre doing chess again on [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Four-player-chess]]. Yea just wanted to tell you, if you want to do anything about it --[[User:Yayimhere2(school)|Yayimhere2(school)]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere2(school)|talk]]) 17:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
== possible deletion ==
[[Fuck 2red]] and [[NAME EXPUNGED]] should probably be deleted <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 19:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
: i 100% agree. those pages deserve to be lost media. [[user:tommyaweosmalt|<span style="color:purple;">tommyaweosme(alt so can edit talk page)</span>]]
== User:TBPO ==
He said "After this edit I'll log out and never log in to this user again. If any edits are made after I'll leave this account, then this means that this account is hacked and should be banned permamently." but this account is being used recently... See the case cause this may mean something critical. '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 15:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
:It's very rare for accounts to be hacked, so it's probably the same person (who just changed their mind about reusing the account). Why not try asking them on TenBillionPlusOne's user talk page? --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:57, 2 December 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Abuse filter triggered during editing ==
Recently, I created [[Gemini]], but because there was too much content (more than 50,000 bytes), I triggered the abuse filter, so I had to write this page in two parts. If possible, could you grant users some leeway (for example, changing the 50,000-byte limit to 65,536 bytes)? {{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年12月6日（星期六）， 14:58 农历十月十七}}
:Very large pages aren't a good fit for this wiki. (Normally large specifications and data files would be hosted offsite.) In this case, the basic content of the page looks mostly OK, but it is written in an extremely redundant style (e.g. "in a try-with-resources expression, both the catch and finally blocks are optional," … "It should be noted that there is generally no need to include catch or finally blocks in a try-with-resources expression, and developers are not advised to manually release resources (as this would be redundant). However, if it is necessary to explicitly catch and handle exceptions that may be thrown during the try block or the acquisition and release of resources, catch and finally blocks can still be included in a try-with-resources expression."). I have a suspicion that it would have been possible to write the same page in a much shorter way (which would also make it easier to read), so the filter is being helpful here by flagging a potential problem with the page; as it is, the page is extremely hard to read because it takes so long to get to the point. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 03:03, 7 December 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])' |
New page wikitext, after the edit (new_wikitext) | 'Recently, this page has started to get very large, so I archived it – you can find the old contents at [[User talk:ais523/Archive1]] and [[User talk:ais523/Archive2]].
== Can you help fix [[Joke_language_list#Horribly_translated_variants|this mess]] ==
Recently the "Translated ORK/xxxxx Again xx" pages are getting out of control, both the amount and their content has started to feel like spam, yet no one cared! I made a suggestion on [[Talk:Translated_ORK/Mihai_Again18]].
No one noticed that, but that's IMO the current best solution for this situation. [[User:iddi01|iddi01]] [[Perl#Esolangs.org_version_(unofficial)|'''d'''islikes '''D'''iscord]] '''i'''ndefinitely ([[User_talk:iddi01|talk]]) ([[Semi-serious language list]]) ([[Uniсode]]) 07:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:None1]] has been moving them to an off-site pastebin; I like that solution. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:51, 29 November 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I've not finished yet, there's still much work to do.--[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Done! Now you can delete the blank pages! --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I've deleted the pages that you moved, but there are a few that you missed: see [[Special:PrefixIndex/Translated ORK]] for a list of all pages there (also [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:Translated ORK]] for pages that were maed in userspace). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:03, 11 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:::::I see, I will create another pastebin for that. --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== File removal ==
hey, can you remove [[:File:Text BABA 0.webp]]? I intended it for the [[Baba Is You]] page, but it didn't display correctly and went unused. it's also not public domain
thanks! <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 22:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 16:24, 6 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Bug report ==
I found that [[User:Wheeli]] has been triggered 3 times of abuse-filter, but his edit is on [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]], and he was required to edit [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] for his first edit. --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。</span>]] 2024年12月9日（星期一），20:05 农历冬月初九 ([[大白话|CHN]])
: In all three attempts, they deleted at least one line, which is forbidden, even if that line is empty. --[[User:Int-e|Int-e]] ([[User talk:Int-e|talk]]) 12:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== I'm stopped to creating new more translated ORK. ==
I added a message to the latest page: <span style='color:red;font-family:Segoe UI;'><b>This series will be moved to an online clipboard by None1. It looks like it's time to stop, but at least "！中文" and "脑子爆掉" will continue.</b></span>
But I don't have time to making joke, so I'll concentrate to the serious and semi-serious Esolang, even Pratilang(Pratical programming languages).
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">红军不怕远征难，万水千山只等闲。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">五岭逶迤腾细浪，乌蒙磅礴走泥丸。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">金沙水拍云崖暖，大渡桥横铁索寒。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">更喜岷山千里雪，三军过后尽开颜。</span>]] 2024年12月12日 双十二（星期四），19:34 农历冬月十二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
The title is the opposite of what you want to say. Stop to do something means you stop what you're doing now and do the thing. --[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 14:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:do you have a stroke or something<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== Please ban [[User:ColorfulGalaxy's CA discoveries]]. ==
Title. Someone who is said that is ColorfulGalaxy's friend, recently started to revert something in the talk pages, <b>crazily</b>.<br>
[[User:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]]
:While you were writing your message, I was already changing the site settings to prevent them from editing other users' user talk pages. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 23:48, 12 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:: Is the filter only for him, or for everyone? [[User:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:ZCX islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]][[User:ZCX islptng| ]] 01:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
::: It doesn't affect most users (but there is more than one user who has a similar restriction). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:44, 13 December 2024 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
Also, If you have time, please check the bug in tokenization. [[SLet/Implementation|Here.]]
== category removal ==
should [[:Category:Discussion]] be removed? <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 19:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:It should (it's an undiscussed/unapproved category and is redundant to [[Special:AllPages/Talk:]]) – I've deleted it. Thanks for catching it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 19:22, 10 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Soft redirect ==
If a user changes his/her username (or uses another account), is it possible to soft-redirect the user page of the original account to the new user page?
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月23日（星期四），13:21 农历腊月廿四 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:As long as it's in userspace, you can even use a hard redirect for that. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:56, 26 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I simply use the page without the User: prefix for redirect to my userpage. ==
[[PrySigneToFry]]
It is actually a redirect page to my user page(with yellow background in my signature). --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月30日（星期四），13:12 农历正月初二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:Pages in the main namespace are supposed to be used for esolangs, not users (and you are not an esolang). In general one principle of this wiki is to ensure that readers don't end up on userpages (which may be less accurate due to not being collaboratively edited) without a clear warning that they're going there: see [[Esolang:Authors]] and [[Esolang talk:Authors]]. I have deleted the redirect. (In general, this wiki is supposed to be about documenting esolangs, not a social network for users to talk to each other, so having easy links to userpages is not particularly useful for its intended purpose.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 05:35, 30 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I seem to find that I've written a lot of more formal programming languages. ==
Will that legal in this Wiki?
Also, I think there are some page that isn't in the correct namespace, such as both XKCD Random Number(program form) and Project Euler(program form family) are in User namespace.
--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年1月30日（星期四），17:50 农历正月初二 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:This wiki is only for [[esoteric programming language]]s, but I think most languages that can be written by a single person in a small length of time will fit the definition, unless they're close derivatives of practical programming languages. If a language doesn't have a serious chance of being favoured by someone for practical programming over the existing practical languages that exist for that purpose, it is probably an esolang. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 09:54, 30 January 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== ? ==
I've looked for the recent changes, and found that you've hidden a lot of versions of Sandbox and Introduction page. How can you do this rapidly, and why did you do that? --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年2月1日（星期六），17:08 农历正月初四 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:''hide page content to prevent crawlers diffing it, placing immense load on the server''
:that's why he did that, and that's probably the reason why I couldn't join the esolangs.org website<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
:There are some Web-crawling bots that were trying to access every diff of every page, even though they aren't allowed to do so, and we've been having trouble blocking them. They were overloading the esolangs.org server with the requests, meaning that it was inaccessible for a while because the server was too busy with bot requests to handle the requests from humans. So I went and hid the old diffs of large pages so that the bots couldn't collapse the server via sending lots of requests for them (large pages can take a lot of server resources to diff). If the bots move onto other large pages, I will hide the diffs there, too. The changes were entirely made to help keep the site safe from bots and weren't in response to any action by the human users. (Incidentally, this sort of thing is also why we have a limit on how big pages can get – it is best to avoid this sort of situation arising via preventing pages getting too large in the first place.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 12:39, 1 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:As for how I could do it rapidly – tabbed browsing and clicking quickly. I've had a lot of practice cleaning up after spambots in the past, and it doesn't take me long to, for example, manually delete 100 pages created by the same user (the inputs are very simple so you can do them quickly with practice), even if I have to check to make sure that I'm deleting the right pages. Hiding revisions is not quite the same inputs, but the same technique can be used. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 12:44, 1 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Decode my message on [https://lutter.cc/malbolge/debugger.html here] and you'll get things I say. ==
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--[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年2月8日（星期六），15:31 农历正月十一 ([[大白话|CHN]])
== So do I need to move out all pages from the deleted category "Medium-Level"? ==
Title.
:I would recommend doing so – it usually doesn't make sense to leave deleted category links on pages. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:45, 9 February 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Category:Being-Debated ==
I may have misplaced this sentence, but I'd like to be able to create a "being debated" category to store some of the items that are still in dispute.
== Page in need of deletion ==
Can you delete [[Hotcrystal0/🕳️Q9+|this page]]? I accidentally created it while attempting to move a page. [[User:Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) 18:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:I've deleted it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:41, 5 March 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
please delete [[Bake]] and [[User:Ractangle/Debating]] too thx <div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== [[Apollo(PSTF)]] ==
Please delete this page. I created it accidentally, and already moved to [[Apollo (PSTF)]]. Note that I often don't sign my post because fixing time is too annoying. --[[User:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:blue;background:yellow;">北国风光，千里冰封，万里雪飘。望长城内外，惟余莽莽；大河上下，顿失滔滔。</span>]][[User talk:PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:aqua;background:red;">山舞银蛇，原驰蜡象，欲与天公试比高。须晴日，看红装素裹，分外妖娆。</span>]][[Special:Contributions/PrySigneToFry|<span style="color:red;background:aqua;">江山如此多娇，引无数英雄竞折腰。惜秦皇汉武，略输文采；唐宗宋祖，稍逊风骚。</span>]][[User:PrySigneToFry/About more Categories|<span style="color:yellow;background:blue;">一代天骄，成吉思汗，只识弯弓射大雕。俱往矣，数风流人物，还看今朝。</span>]] 2025年4月3日（星期四），19:38 农历三月初六 寒食节 ([[大白话|CHN]])
:Done. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:20, 3 April 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Creating a new category? ==
... for those high-level languages that is only implemented in an alternate universe. Examples include many PSTF's thing. --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:red;color:white;">_i_</span><span style="background:orange;color:white;">_s_</span><span style="background:yellow;">_l_</span><span style="background:#00FF00;">_p_</span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas;"><span style="background:cyan;">_t_</span><span style="background:blue;color:white">_n_</span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;">_g_</span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 13:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
== Signature ==
Why does the signature I want not work? It’s this:<br />
[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta</span>l0</span>]]
<br /> [[User:Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) 16:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Nevermind; I got it to work. [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 16:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
== Someone is trying to summon you! ==
10,000,000,001(TenBillionPlusOne) mentioned you at Tommyaweosmalt's talking page.
:there isn't a proper way to mention a person in wiki's<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
::"PiSpaceships"? Huh. What's the matter? --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 07:33, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
== Deleted image file ==
Sorry for submitting most likely copyrighted work as an image, but if I was to replace it all with public domain images, would it still be allowed? Or is page decoration images/image headers not allowed on the wiki if they don't add value to the specification? If not, I understand. --[[User:RainbowDash|RainbowDash]] ([[User talk:RainbowDash|talk]]) 03:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
:Purely decorative images are offtopic because the purpose of the wiki is to describe esoteric programming languages, and a decorative image doesn't do that. (They also have a tendency to be copyright violations.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 11:03, 28 April 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Challenge ==
Can you prove [[Forthrooms]] [[Turing-complete]] (or not)? [[User:TenBillionPlusOne|TB]][[User talk:TenBillionPlusOne|PO]] 16:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:You should clarify what "move left" means in the specification. Does it involve turning in place, moving without turning, or moving and turning? --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:21, 3 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::Turning in place. [[User:TenBillionPlusOne|TB]][[User talk:TenBillionPlusOne|PO]] 19:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I think it's probably Turing-complete, but am not sure and don't have a proof. That said, some of the examples on the page seem to be wrong, e.g. the "p8 loop" starts with the "p12 loop" so should execute the same way (with the last two commands never running). A TCness proof would likely involve writing program fragments that do things like simulate counters or queues, and it seems like it could be difficult to get those right without an interpreter to check them. (The main obstacle to a TCness proof is related to control flow – it is hard to write a conditional statement that acts sufficiently differently based on the results of the conditional, because it is hard to get arbitrary numbers into the rooms.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:27, 5 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== I have a question about the “unnoticed categories” ==
So, here’s the question.
Will you not delete these categories when I add them to the [[Esolang:Categorization]] if I only add the ones with atleast three different creators that made the esolangs on there? Just asking so I don’t hurt your feelings and another Category like Category:Sus that was on there for a long time doesn’t get deleted because of it. Won’t ask again so I don’t annoy you.
-Elijah “helpe” Hunt
:It's not really about who created the esolangs, but about whether the category itself is well-designed. Designing a category properly is hard, and almost all attempts to create categories tend to have problems, which is why we've left the "no unapproved categories" rule in place. In particular, before creating the category, there's a need to work out a definition for which languages fit in it (often related to computer-science concepts), and whether it's better as a category or as a list or a set of "see also" links. The category description page is also often hard to write correctly – ideally it should link to an article about the topic, and should make it clear which languages are and aren't covered (even some of our existing long-standing categories, like [[:Category:Unimplemented]], aren't up to this standard yet).
:Additionally, this isn't really about my feelings – I do most of the admin actions on Esolang so I'm the most visible person in enforcing the [[Esolang:Policy]], but the decisions are made by a much wider range of people (e.g. the categories rule was in place even before I first joined the wiki). The most recent deletions were in response to other people (not me) getting annoyed at all the additions to Esolang:Categorization and thinking that most of the categories shouldn't exist. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:38, 11 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== [[Movie]] ==
It's a redirect<sup>12</sup> to [[Kava]]. Try delete it? --[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 05:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
:The situation with those pages is more complicated than it looks, which is why I've postponed trying to sort it out until I can really concentrate on it. (Someone was in the habit of trying to delete pages by renaming them to an unrelated page name and then editing the page into something unrelated, and it's going to take time to sort through all the page histories to work out whether any important information got lost in the process and/or to move the information back to the right locations. I've been leaving the redirects alone until I can dedicate time to trying to fix the issue.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 21:26, 14 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::it is my own fault, I can't have consistency<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:belarusianflag) </div><br />
== Filter 16 ==
I found out about this recently. Filter 16 does not work (on mainspace not talk pages) if you are using ~~<nowiki />~ to expand into your signature and your signature has a non-standard link. Is this intentional or not? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 23:57, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:It isn't intentional, but it's hard to write a filter to handle all the possible cases. Note that the policy of not hiding the User: prefix exists whether or not the filter actually catches people breaking the policy, so if people are intentionally trying to get around the filter it's a sign that they're intentionally breaking the policy. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 00:01, 21 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I found this unintentionally, which is why I reported it to you. I already did the signature thing with my username, and I tried to link to someone else with the display text, and it triggered the filter. <small>(by the way I love how you used the UTC when signing a page)</small> [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 00:06, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
== Can you prove computatioal class for esolang [[xVector]]? ==
Title. --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 12:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:That was confusing to think about, but I figured it out – it's equivalent to a 1-counter Minsky machine. (The fundamental difference is that [[Vector]]'s control flow requires ''A'' to be on a plane, which lets you store two counters' worth of information, whereas xVector's control flow requires ''A'' to be on a line, which only lets you store one counter's worth of information.)
:The previous sentence was difficult to express in English, which doesn't really have a good unit for "the amount of information one counter can store" – I think "counter's worth" or "counterful" are the most reasonable ways to express it but neither is commonly used/standard. I'm wondering whether it's easier to express in Chinese, which has a larger set of words for representing quantities (including some cases where English doesn't have a commonly used word at all). --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:41, 23 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::I don't think there is a specific quantity word for counters in Chinese (since there's no such thing as counters in ancient China), but "一计数器的信息" (which directly translates to "a counter of information") may be an option. --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 11:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
== Candidates for deletion ==
I've created a page where I add every candidiate for deletion:<br>
[[Esolang:Candidates for deletion]]<br>
Please watch that page and delete all pages that are listed there. {{unsigned|17:01, 31 May 2025|TenBillionPlusOne}}
:That page is not an esolang, so it shouldn't be in the main namespace. In general, it is probably a bad idea to try to create new admin processes without discussing them first. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 17:06, 31 May 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== scrapped template ==
could you delete [[Template:Minpre]]? <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 17:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
==question==
why is there no option for leaving a redirect, that option could make less redirects<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:mrglebsun) </div><br />
:MediaWiki does that intentionally to make it harder for people to break links to existing pages – normally if a page is being renamed (for a reason other than having been created with a typoed name or in the wrong namespace), you want links to the old page name to still work. For example, even if an esolang is renamed, some people might know it by the old name, so it's useful for people who are trying to learn about esolangs to be able to find it with a search. (Some users are allowed to move pages without leaving behind redirects, for fixing that sort of situation – but on this wiki that's limited to admins.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 23:59, 21 June 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::oh<div style="border:2px solid orange; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 0); height: 6px; width: auto;"> [[User:Ractangle|User:Gaham]] (Discord:mrglebsun) </div><br />
== How do you know a category is useful? ==
Like, what are the requirements? Just curious.
Also, check out [[:Special:Categories]] it has categories that aren’t deleted but IMO useless.(like sandies) --[[User:Helpeesl|Helpeesl]] ([[User talk:Helpeesl|talk]]) 00:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:Generally categories are most useful if they apply to a large proportion of all the pages on the wiki, and where there isn't much need for additional text explaining how the page fits into the category (because unlike lists, category pages don't have a way to provide insight into why particular pages are included). That means that they also work better when they're categorising an objective property of a language. On the other hand, they shouldn't be things that apply to almost every language on the wiki, because then it would be more useful to have a list of exceptions. ([[:Category:Low-level]] was probably a mistake because of this, because in practice people make a lot more low-level esolangs than high-level ones.)
:When only a few pages fit, linking them via "see also" is more useful because people who are interested in one language with the property in question might also be interested in others – a category wouldn't clue that very well, but a "see also" section does. When there's a medium number of pages, maintaining a list to individual languages in each others' "see also" lists becomes unwieldy, so it makes more sense to make a list page that can describe the languages in general, and link to that. This is part of the reason why there's such a high bar for making categories here: for most properties you would want to categorise, there are better ways to do it. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 07:58, 22 June 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== LifeViewer ==
Is it possible to add [[life:LifeViewer|LifeViewer]] to this wiki? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 16:10, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
:I once tried to add LifeViewer to [[Template:Game of Life/EmbedViewer|Here]], but failed. By the way, some esolang, like Tile, and Piet, there should be a Pixel Art viewer, and cellular automata esolangs need them too--[[User:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:red;color:white;"> i </span><span style="background:orange;color:white;"> s </span><span style="background:yellow;"> l </span><span style="background:#00FF00;"> p </span></span>]][[User talk:I am islptng|<span style="font-family:Consolas,Monospace;"><span style="background:cyan;"> t </span><span style="background:blue;color:white"> n </span><span style="background:magenta;color:white;"> g </span></span>]][[User:I am islptng| ]] 01:23, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
:It isn't up to me – I just moderate the wiki, I don't own it. But it doesn't make much sense to have a built-in interpreter on the wiki for one rarely used esolang when there are much more commonly used esolangs for which an interpreter would be more useful. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 03:08, 2 July 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
:Who owns the wiki then? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 11:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
:: bytemark owns it now, but [[user:graue]] used to own it. <div style="display:block-inline;background-image:linear-gradient(to right, #80FF80, #FFC080);">[[user:tommyaweosmalt|tommy]][[user_talk:tommyaweosmalt|aweosmALT]]</div> 15:47, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
== Timezone ==
I've found that when I use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign, the timezone is always in Great Britain(UTC+0). I had to use my own sign format, and I must use the time-input that supported by my IME. I think that everyone from everywhere will also have this problem.
By the way, I shortened my signature into a template belong to my userpage! --{{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年7月9日（星期三）， 19:10 农历六月十五}}
:you can change your timezone in Preferences → Appearance → Time Zone, but I'm not sure if it applies to signatures. I personally leave it as UTC for consistency with the rest of the wiki <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 12:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
:Signatures are supposed to be in UTC+0 so that it's possible to compare the times at which different peoples' comments were posted. For example, your signature makes it look like your comment was posted after aadenboy's because the time is greater, but it was actually posted beforehand; using the same time zone for every signature avoids that problem. (Note that Great Britain is not on UTC+0 time at the moment: it changes depending on the time of year, and is currently UTC+1. But British people nonetheless post their signatures in UTC+0 all year.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:02, 9 July 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::If you saw my signature, you'll find there is a lunar-calendar date in my signature which can prove that I'm from China or at least I'm an overseas Chinese. China uses UTC+8(which I marked it with CHN but more official abbreviation of that is CST), so, to compare my time with UTC+0, reduce the signature-time with 8 hours. --{{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年7月11日（星期五）， 10:44 农历六月十七}}
==Apology==
Sorry I accidentally posted the deletion request on your userpage instead of your talk page. I was in a rush. [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 14:22, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
== About the new addition to [[Esolang:Policy]] ==
<blockquote>Articles should be on the subject of [[esoteric programming language]]s, or about subjects relevant to these, for example computation theory.</blockquote>
Would cellular automata be considered an appropriate topic for this wiki? [[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="background:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="background:white;">rys</span>ta]]</span>[[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="background:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span>
:Not to speak for ais523, but I'd like to think that specific pages I've worked on, particularly [[cellular automaton]] and [[Game of Life]], show that esoteric PL research includes cellular automata. They were already listed in [[timeline of esoteric programming languages]] ''before'' I started expanding it, too. If you're looking for a rule of thumb, I'd propose including anything that [[wikipedia:John Von Neumann|Von Neumann]] or [[wikipedia:Alan Turing|Turing]] touched. (Don't touch [[wikipedia:Conus textile|''C. textile'']] though!) [[User:Corbin|Corbin]] ([[User talk:Corbin|talk]]) 01:01, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
Cellular automata that have nontrivial behaviour can be used to program with, and so count as esoteric programming languages – they're a nonstandard model of computation. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 04:09, 11 August 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Why did you delete [[User:I am islptng/Game:Nonsense]]? It's in a user page! ==
--{{User:I am islptng/Template:Signature}}[[User:I am islptng| ]] 04:51, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
:Not even user pages get to ignore the rules about what is and isn't ontopic: the intended purpose of userspace is for drafts and discussions that will eventually help the main wiki get better. This isn't a general-purpose hosting site, it's specific to a particular topic.
:It's generally important for this sort of wiki to stay ontopic for two reasons: a) offtopic content is hard to moderate correctly and failing to moderate a site correctly can be illegal in some countries, b) the people who are paying to host the wiki are paying to host the esoteric-programming-language related content, but offtopic content also puts load on the servers and costs money to host, but nobody is paying for that. It is thus possible that the wiki could get into legal trouble, or lose its funding, if there are too many offtopic pages.
:The reason I deleted that page in particular is that it was being used by multiple users to post arbitrary offtopic content, which is a big danger sign: this site is not a general-purpose discussion forum, and if people are trying to use it like one, that's one of the biggest risks to the site losing its status. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 05:00, 11 August 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Can you prove computational class for esolang [[LongJump]]? ==
Title --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 10:28, 9 September 2025 (UTC)
:You should clarify exactly how the grid wraps – LongJump contains all the commands that Nopfunge does, so if it wraps in exactly the same way as Nopfunge you can just run Nopfunge programs as LongJump programs and prove Turing-completeness that way. If it doesn't wrap exactly the same way, then you will need to say the exact rules for how it does wrap, because it might end up mattering. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 13:55, 9 September 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
::It wraps the same as NopFunge, and the direction changing commands are removed (I added them accidentally). --<span style="font-family:Consolas;">[[User:None1|<span style="background-color:black;color:lightblue;">None</span>]][[User talk:None1|<span style="background-color:lightblue;color:black;">1</span>]]</span> ([[Special:Contributions/None1|Nope.]]) 05:38, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
==Esolangs forums?==
Is there any previous discussion on creating a forum for discussion about esolangs? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="color:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="color:white;">rys</span>ta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 19:51, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
:We've tried it in the past, it didn't really work (the forum wasn't used much and eventually got overtaken by spambots.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 01:57, 16 October 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Syzygy ==
Can you please move [[Esolang:Syzygy]] to [[Syzygy]] with a message saying that the Esolang namespace is for stuff relating to the wiki itself? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">ho<span style="color:#F7A8B8;">tc<span style="color:white;">rys</span>ta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|<span style="color:#55CDFC;">l0</span>]]</span> 19:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
== Why don't we have amboxes? ==
They're very useful... '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 22:14, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
:Because we don't have cleanup tags – the top-of-article notes that we have on Esolang are the equivalent of Wikpedia's hatnotes, not Wikpedia's amboxes. (Nor do I think cleanup tags would be useful. The purpose of those on Wikipedia is to help editors find articles that need cleanup, and to attract casual readers reading the article to edit to perform a cleanup. Finding articles on Esolang that need cleanup isn't exactly difficult, and the odds that a casual reader would help with a cleanup task are very low.) --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 22:17, 23 November 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Why do so many people delete lines from Introduce yourself? ==
I've seen that in many filter 9 hits '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 23:06, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
== Bbtos talk page ==
The bbtos memorial languages talk page is filled with angry people just kinda screaming at each other, so maybe we should delete it?(there isnt much point in keeping it around anyway) --[[User:Yayimhere2(school)|Yayimhere2(school)]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere2(school)|talk]]) 10:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
== Chess again ==
Maybe I should jump in so early, BUT, theyre doing chess again on [[User:PrySigneToFry/Silicon dioxide in a polypropylene box/Four-player-chess]]. Yea just wanted to tell you, if you want to do anything about it --[[User:Yayimhere2(school)|Yayimhere2(school)]] ([[User talk:Yayimhere2(school)|talk]]) 17:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
== possible deletion ==
[[Fuck 2red]] and [[NAME EXPUNGED]] should probably be deleted <span style="transform: perspective(400px) rotateY(308deg) scale(2,1); text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008; display: inline-block; padding-right: 3em;">—[[User:Aadenboy|aadenboy]] ([[User_talk:Aadenboy|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Aadenboy|contribs]])</span> 19:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
: i 100% agree. those pages deserve to be lost media. [[user:tommyaweosmalt|<span style="color:purple;">tommyaweosme(alt so can edit talk page)</span>]]
== User:TBPO ==
He said "After this edit I'll log out and never log in to this user again. If any edits are made after I'll leave this account, then this means that this account is hacked and should be banned permamently." but this account is being used recently... See the case cause this may mean something critical. '''[[User:↑|↑]] [[User talk:↑|(↑↑↑)]]''' 15:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
:It's very rare for accounts to be hacked, so it's probably the same person (who just changed their mind about reusing the account). Why not try asking them on TenBillionPlusOne's user talk page? --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:57, 2 December 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== Abuse filter triggered during editing ==
Recently, I created [[Gemini]], but because there was too much content (more than 50,000 bytes), I triggered the abuse filter, so I had to write this page in two parts. If possible, could you grant users some leeway (for example, changing the 50,000-byte limit to 65,536 bytes)? {{User:PrySigneToFry/Template:PoeticSignature|Time=2025年12月6日（星期六）， 14:58 农历十月十七}}
:Very large pages aren't a good fit for this wiki. (Normally large specifications and data files would be hosted offsite.) In this case, the basic content of the page looks mostly OK, but it is written in an extremely redundant style (e.g. "in a try-with-resources expression, both the catch and finally blocks are optional," … "It should be noted that there is generally no need to include catch or finally blocks in a try-with-resources expression, and developers are not advised to manually release resources (as this would be redundant). However, if it is necessary to explicitly catch and handle exceptions that may be thrown during the try block or the acquisition and release of resources, catch and finally blocks can still be included in a try-with-resources expression."). I have a suspicion that it would have been possible to write the same page in a much shorter way (which would also make it easier to read), so the filter is being helpful here by flagging a potential problem with the page; as it is, the page is extremely hard to read because it takes so long to get to the point. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 03:03, 7 December 2025 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
== anonymize user ==
Hi, could you anonymize the user [[User:Mker-bin]] and delete the page [[DTM]]? It's my old account, thx!' |