< 1565136274 697392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1565136628 329429 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1565136710 114121 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565136718 803148 :jix!~jix@209.250.235.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1565136728 296563 :jix!~jix@209.250.235.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565136918 67775 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1565136932 315245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-8.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1565139343 733399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Can Sgeolang be ALGOL 68? < 1565139350 449321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That language was so good. < 1565139663 345633 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1565142749 179586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1565142749 869401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 070053Z 30013KT 10SM FEW009 BKN180 20/13 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP123 T02000133 > 1565145679 40899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65321&oldid=65319 5* 03A 5* (+139) 10 < 1565145909 683618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFO < 1565145910 360696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSFO 070156Z 27015KT 10SM FEW007 SCT180 19/12 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP123 T01890122 < 1565145942 442103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US codes are so easy. < 1565145948 950226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add K. < 1565146158 313575 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1565146178 921713 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSJC < 1565146179 258396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSJC 070153Z 33014KT 10SM FEW050 SCT100 BKN160 23/16 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP117 T02280161 $ > 1565148216 818245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:A14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65322&oldid=65296 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+237) 10 < 1565151331 298220 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1565151339 253028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you spit poison will it last? I would think it might lose its potency after enough time has passed, especially if the floor might absorb it and if it is exposed to the wind. > 1565151715 128594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65323&oldid=65321 5* 03A 5* (+16) 10 < 1565151974 236237 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would depend on the poison, I suppose < 1565152216 775599 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, presumably the floor and wind speed < 1565152527 981958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, I suppose so. < 1565152554 595846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else do you think might affect it? < 1565152808 128412 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :vapor pressure, temperature, phase of the moon > 1565153102 389217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65324&oldid=65323 5* 03A 5* (+120) 10 > 1565153117 492729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65325&oldid=65324 5* 03A 5* (-36) 10/* Set-manipulational instructions */ < 1565153337 424729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1565154151 810349 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ShaderToy would do a little bit of server-side rendering so it would be possible to browse the list without melting my GPU > 1565154276 766400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65326&oldid=65325 5* 03A 5* (+443) 10 > 1565154464 564622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65327&oldid=65326 5* 03A 5* (-35) 10 > 1565154975 37871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65328&oldid=65327 5* 03A 5* (-77) 10/* Output its own golf score */ > 1565155323 316869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65329&oldid=65328 5* 03A 5* (+49) 10 < 1565155764 144779 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1565155789 341392 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98455.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1565156925 888045 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqshibqlclmfhgxn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1565159062 785751 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to track down a copy of the original P-double-prime (𝓟″) paper from 1964, pp.187-194 vol. 3 of the ICC Bulletin. It seems like a digital copy is non-existent. Has anyone here ever seen one? < 1565159079 976742 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm contemplating making a copy (8 pages) from a physical library https://www.worldcat.org/title/icc-bulletin/oclc/2222680 but it'll be a bit of a long-term mission. < 1565159193 818812 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 1979 paper which mentions 𝓟′ which is the original language that 𝓟″ is a context-free improvement on. Also a 𝓟‴ lang (P-triple-prime!) by D. Skordev (1976) is briefly described, and a further development, 𝓟⁰ by the author, Solomon Passy. < 1565159268 592264 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find copies of Bohm and Jacopini's paper on Flow Diagrams which talks about both 𝓟′ & 𝓟″, and Bohm's 1954 thesis in original French and 2016 English translation, which predates those languages, but relates to digital computing. < 1565159287 569847 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1964 paper does not appear to be online ... yet < 1565159476 857524 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1979 paper that describes the extended 𝓟 languages is available https://documents.pub/document/structured-programs-for-turing-machines.html < 1565159938 722623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try asking User:R.e.s. < 1565160020 672496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solomon Passy... never heard of him... < 1565160302 681610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but Böhm is famous of course. < 1565160387 231987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's the right Böhm that is, hmm. < 1565160414 921231 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems to be the case... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hm_tree < 1565160439 100610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*not* the garbage collector person) < 1565160695 78659 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, Corado Böhm is the creator of 𝓟″ < 1565160770 651298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. https://doi.org/10.2307/2270680 ... that's a 3 line review (fully visible in the screenshot) that they offer to let you buy for 30 Euros... < 1565160838 544938 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, that kept turning up. It took me a while to realise that the 3 line review was actually the full content for that DOI! < 1565160987 70795 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best info I could find from others who went looking is here https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/14983/how-to-prove-the-structured-program-theorem but it's not clear that they got to see it. < 1565161025 15270 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow, that's User:R.e.s that shachaf just mentioned? < 1565161271 444918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I agree that the paper doesn't appear to be available online. > 1565161580 94710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MUSYS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65330&oldid=63184 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+69) 10/* References */ add DOI for the original MUSYS paper < 1565161691 793817 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found the original paper for this MUSYS language from 1973 which I had been searching for for some time, so I might try to add some more details to the wiki. < 1565161692 657597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about the esowiki and Wikipedia user. < 1565162058 340340 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacaf: looks like a SE user too, since that username appears on the page I linked to as well < 1565162359 801051 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Solomon Passy seems to be active and more well known in Bulgarian politics, ... and USB charging?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Passy < 1565163876 862275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was a worthy and successful initiative indeed. (But I didn't know who was behind it.) < 1565163937 683853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downside: mobile phones no longer come with chargers. Upside: you can buy mobile phone chargers, and nobody will ask you what mobile phone you have. < 1565164006 528864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of those matches my experience? < 1565164055 885476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well they messed it up because while chargers are USB based you still need to know the kind of plug... :P) < 1565164129 311340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tbh this is all theory to me. I don't have a smartphone. < 1565164129 646378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there are USB type-C and Apple Lightning. < 1565164141 998212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably still MicroUSB. < 1565164192 787175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case I do believe that the situation is far less messy than it was 10 years ago. < 1565164208 463673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one charger that charges both my laptop computer and mobile phone. < 1565164212 249400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very convenient. < 1565164257 293651 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1565164282 384857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you want to charge them both at the same time? hmm < 1565164292 585105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can plug the phone into the laptop for that < 1565164324 220437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need a second cable. < 1565164501 604785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sure, and the laptop USB charging/electricity distribution (hmm let's say motherboard) has to be up for it as well. < 1565164525 919743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't really know enough to be more specific than "motherboard" which is bascially all of the computer :P) > 1565164723 878008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* 10New user account > 1565165193 798803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65331&oldid=65316 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+326) 10;) > 1565165433 517369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDR14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65332&oldid=64007 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+60) 10adding new category > 1565165472 936443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator/String14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65333&oldid=65329 5* 03A 5* (-222) 10 > 1565165726 120942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dtuser14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65334 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+39) 10moved to my new user. (plz dont banish me because i cannot use this (my old) accounts.) < 1565165877 922916 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565166079 367944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1565166949 163375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stlisp14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65335&oldid=42087 5* 03Dtuser1337 5* (+18) 10 < 1565168484 10498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just heard the phrase "the philosophy of bullshit" and my immediate reaction was that this seems redundant... < 1565169051 86224 :MDude!AdiIRC@c-174-55-101-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1565169063 799367 :MDude!AdiIRC@c-174-55-101-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1565170098 432730 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1565170424 671912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems unfair. < 1565170810 546853 :rain2!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :name one good philosohpy < 1565171143 920983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1565171354 551627 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565171420 930976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_ommr0Te4A was the context. < 1565171532 946503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The thing is, it's really hard to tell philosophy and philosophical bullshit apart. I often can't. Also the categorization will differ from person to person. < 1565172655 218868 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At minimum you would seem to need to hold a philosophy in which a distinction can be made between the two, in order to distinguish between the two. < 1565172692 312442 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoyingly, you can't make someone else also hold such a philosophy. < 1565172731 282047 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, some people just like to argue. < 1565172827 235100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I find that last statement offensive. < 1565172858 515278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find most philosophers very grating. < 1565172902 862288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean writings by famous philosophers, not specific humans. < 1565172956 491942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to like philosophy books by Raymond Smullyan, such as _The Tao is Silent_ < 1565172960 624096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a philosophy book? < 1565176291 460389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1565177033 716459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65336&oldid=57643 5* 03B jonas 5* (+14) 10 < 1565177929 103988 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1565179327 192736 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nmfbkwpewrpgnrpj QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1565180373 193206 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565180386 888283 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2836328/ready-set-not/ < 1565180387 648303 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlist http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/comics/2836328/ready-set-not/: b_jonas < 1565183458 215701 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xgyzoixhrimwhcqr JOIN :#esoteric < 1565184099 48041 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1565184109 572372 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1565185011 318358 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565186688 624060 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fppadfuhcidlzwug JOIN :#esoteric > 1565187811 201125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tacit programming14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65337 5* 03A 5* (+35) 10Redirect for synonyms > 1565187845 920689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point-free programming14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=65338 5* 03A 5* (+35) 10Redirect for synonyms > 1565188153 660891 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65339&oldid=65336 5* 03A 5* (+183) 10Mention some tacit languages not mentioned here yet. > 1565188285 60429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65340&oldid=65339 5* 03A 5* (-8) 10Whoops > 1565189490 88981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65341&oldid=40772 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10 > 1565189518 653155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Advanced Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65342&oldid=54735 5* 03A 5* (+76) 10 > 1565189581 785471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aeon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65343&oldid=39332 5* 03A 5* (+75) 10 > 1565189646 313166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Al Dente14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65344&oldid=62990 5* 03A 5* (+72) 10 > 1565189723 310640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Al Dente14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65345&oldid=65344 5* 03A 5* (-31) 10Give up on categorizing > 1565189758 263536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Big Man Computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65346&oldid=39039 5* 03A 5* (+64) 10 > 1565189850 991092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chafa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65347&oldid=36608 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10The zalgo creates a mess > 1565189887 353610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Got a match?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65348&oldid=63384 5* 03A 5* (+45) 10 > 1565189916 376003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GreeeeeeeeenText14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65349&oldid=58839 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10 > 1565189967 330948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Genius from Kiev14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65350&oldid=61360 5* 03A 5* (+63) 10 > 1565190013 211108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain:D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65351&oldid=58854 5* 03A 5* (+76) 10 > 1565190095 933232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DukkTap14]]4 M10 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thing I'm working on, I don't "apply from the left" or "apply from the right", but I do "compose before" and "compose after", so that's something I suppose < 1565191771 408050 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah, but like I said, the way LTG cheats is that you get mutable variable slots into which you can store or load functions < 1565192885 314763 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wool" vs "fleece". English is confusing. < 1565193488 933662 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those... are fairly different things, right? < 1565193543 889683 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they both mean the material used to make textile that originates from sheep or other ungulates. < 1565193562 673241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In different forms < 1565193578 223879 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can also have wool originating from certain breeds of rabbits) < 1565193579 140213 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you be more specific? What different forms? < 1565193621 852667 :cpressey!~cpressey@5.133.242.4 QUIT :Quit: A la prochaine. < 1565193631 863779 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, maybe from any mammal. As opposed to most textiles, that come from cotton, linen, hemp, various parts of other plants, plastics, or a mixture of plastic with cotton. < 1565193662 703990 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wool as a material is assembled from cords of wool, whereas fleece isn't visibly < 1565193843 359461 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you mean to say that wool is what you get not from spinning the mammal hairs into thick strands called a yarn or thread and then knitting them into a textile, whereas fleece is the same as felt, which is what you get from just pressing all the hairs together as a flat pane without order until they stick? < 1565193861 563197 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something along those lines < 1565193879 741144 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think fleece is the same thing as felt, but it's a lot closer to felt than to wool (the material) < 1565193885 982093 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1565193905 345466 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm specifying wool the material because wool is also what I call the hair of sheep and certain other animals < 1565194563 602474 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1565195304 194655 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@196.64.55.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565197142 362889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1565197515 552629 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@196.64.55.185 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.5 < 1565197580 534035 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@196.64.55.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565197589 184799 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@196.64.55.185 QUIT :Client Quit < 1565197759 326474 :unlimiter!~unlimiter@196.64.55.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565197788 207501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1565197887 758616 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65365&oldid=65343 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-23) 10Fix typo in category and some formatting < 1565205811 346067 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1565205932 837664 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-33-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1565206336 509742 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BOREDOM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65366&oldid=65353 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-23) 10One language category is probably enough here < 1565206483 309257 :diverger!~div@192.145.126.136 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1565206506 742793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GreeeeeeeeenText14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=65367&oldid=65349 5* 03Salpynx 5* (-23) 101 < 1565208579 426563 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565208769 294029 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1565208774 699594 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1565208909 947651 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how would you build a computer out of the "Star Wars" cellular automaton? < 1565208923 290123 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems perfect for computing. It has stationary elements and it also has spaceships that move at the speed of light. < 1565208942 940251 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very easy to construct guns in Star Wars. < 1565208945 130411 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't somebody built gates for it already? < 1565208955 595429 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I would hope so? < 1565209013 249911 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't been able to find any information about that. < 1565209047 495809 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided to try to start from scratch. < 1565209113 324187 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=283 < 1565209125 52541 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=507 < 1565209159 249851 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so far it ain't going too hot. < 1565209176 30682 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen discussion about it elsewhere but that may have been a similar generations rule < 1565209254 828386 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in how to go from the gates to the computer < 1565209268 816609 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest and most common spaceship in Star Wars is the "bullet." It's just a pair of young cells with a trail of old cells. < 1565209269 555764 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shoot, lemme check that out. Thanks! < 1565209431 603287 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know that. :D < 1565209566 221044 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be cool to go from verilog to logic in CGOL/star wars... it'd be cool if yosys could be hacked to do it < 1565209581 838361 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's see. I already know that one bullet can destroy another bullet. If they hit each other at a right angle with the right timing, they'll both be destroyed. < 1565209583 944810 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :That SR latch pattern also has a signal turner, as well as a duplicating signal turner. < 1565209585 345011 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has guns, of course. < 1565209625 951601 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still reading the 507 topic < 1565209638 686931 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're also likely to need a way to delay a signal by an odd number of time steps. < 1565209644 314057 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... that's it, that's all you need to build a computer. < 1565209645 330117 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made an AND gate < 1565209681 485000 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signal duplication, a destructive collision gate, and arbitrary routing gets you a computer. < 1565209693 387803 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need to delay by an odd number of steps? why not just work with even periods? < 1565209820 309637 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if you need that or not. < 1565209859 657713 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you might have a situation where, say, bullets can only interact usefully if they're of opposite phases. < 1565209900 338586 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you need to be able to work entirely with even-phase bullets, or you need some way to transfer information between even-phase bullets and odd-phase bullets. < 1565210096 535519 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"say, bullets can only interact usefully if they're of opposite phases" => then you let a gun bullet interact with your signal, and either you get an opposite parity bullet, or you get one after you commute which way the two react < 1565210192 951098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that could still fail if you can only swap the parity together with negating the signal < 1565210213 89613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you can actually do easily in this cellular thingy < 1565210286 658380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how those cellular automata work of which I wrote on the wiki < 1565210310 348614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know the game of life rule because I wrote a fun golf program to compute it < 1565210328 880030 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find star wars? the rule table repository? < 1565210357 189580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's reverse causation, I knew about game of life way before I started writing such esoteric programs < 1565210361 325018 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a HighLife program that runs on this LED display I found at a hackerspace at MIT and reverse-engineered < 1565210374 29876 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been running for 9 years now! < 1565210398 815222 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sign contains an embedded DOS PC and a huge custom ISA card < 1565210437 235980 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to keep things interesting, it will occasionally spawn a glider at a random location and orientation < 1565210447 83241 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to create a good mix of high- and low-activity times < 1565210463 181439 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the edges wrap around but reversed < 1565210488 384595 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g (0,5) is adjacent to (w-1, h-6) < 1565210501 4754 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this creates (approximately) the geometry of a projective plane < 1565210525 387364 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system doesn't lose entropy as fast as it would with empty-cell boundary conditions < 1565210558 629031 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it only one edge that's flipped, or is it both? < 1565210736 965369 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1565210747 273381 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1565210787 566440 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, both. if it was one edge flipped and one wrapping w/o flip then it would be a Klein bottle < 1565210790 747373 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would probably also work < 1565210792 379627 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as would a torus < 1565210796 402878 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to be fancy < 1565210807 797945 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I'd been playing with projective plane in fractal video feedback loops around the same time < 1565211238 548757 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1565211724 796012 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/3434/ specifically says torus, so I didn't have a choice in that, but it doesn't say that the direction of the torus has to be parallel to the cell grid, so I abuse that to make the program shorter < 1565211791 975593 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proud of that code < 1565211806 800363 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1565211811 843111 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the direction of the torus? < 1565211922 787216 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my answer tells that explicitly < 1565211949 236946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game board is hard-coded to size 79x23. It is wrapped in a torus: if you leave the board on the bottom, you end up at the top; if you leave on the right side, you end up at the left side but shifted one row down." < 1565211956 544909 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1565211973 477436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the easiest to implement < 1565212015 177579 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original version is a cylinder, wrapping around almost horizontally but zeroing above the top and below the bottom, variable size field < 1565212021 822000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golf version got fixed size because it's golf < 1565212178 944485 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how TI-BASIC is competitive in code golf competitions like this < 1565212224 139346 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it < 1565212271 519546 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jsgngwyifopekixx PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: How did *I* find Star Wars? I downloaded Mirek's Cellebration way back when. < 1565212272 908181 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because all the primitives are tokens and there's a lot of built-in math operators < 1565212296 352705 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are almost all two bytes each < 1565212423 269340 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're allowed to treat it as the binary representation < 1565212424 400452 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1565216368 576813 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to measure entropy , or 'potential energy' in CA configurations? I just watched on of those Star Wars configurations (the one in the large bounding box) waiting for it to settle down. It did at around T=55000 < 1565216403 826093 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfect measure of entropy would be kolmogorov complexity, which is uncomputable < 1565216410 86519 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are many heuristic measures that are useful < 1565216422 634330 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt like you should be able to make some probabilistic statements based on cell density and the kinds of patterns, obviously depending on the particular ruleset < 1565216454 757416 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you could look for repeats in the history of each cell < 1565216463 47484 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :count the number of cells that haven't repeated in the past n generations < 1565216469 617625 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you're doing hashlife, count whole regions < 1565216606 862684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife is tg < 1565216638 50637 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some patterns seemed to be more likely 'absorb' energy, and other to 'release' complex patterns... if regions could be classified as one or the other, and the density of the whole thing would influence the likeyhood of one region affecting the other < 1565216840 849314 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of any off the top of my head, and I've trolled around conwaylife for a while < 1565216846 230103 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/trolled/lurked/ < 1565216875 167716 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm thinking about studying CA like gasses, making statements about aggregate behaviour using statistics < 1565217033 42559 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has been some study of simulating gases with CA (search for HPP latice gasses, I think golly has one in its included patterns) < 1565217043 937503 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of CA don't really act like gases at all < 1565217097 897994 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most gases don't spontaneously generate wild critters < 1565217101 623555 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess hydrogen does < 1565217108 504949 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have enough mass and time and non-homogeneity < 1565217124 155786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1565217136 414250 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1565217148 864400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :livin' the hash life < 1565217160 491823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't choose the hash life < 1565217217 365270 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA-420 < 1565217260 272746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 20-round version of SHA-4 should be called SHA-4/20 < 1565217262 884230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it happen < 1565217295 914121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and int-e says he didn't choose to be not swedish, and zzo38 says the letters in their name don't mean anything, but all that negativity and denial sounds supicious to me < 1565217314 149709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to convince people that your nick doesn't mean something, I think the best way is to come up with an explanation of what it does mean < 1565217324 933478 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putting a match to hydrogen vs. putting a match to argon ... like you can tell some CA rules will be very inert.. < 1565217345 11992 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually surprisingly difficult to tell just by the rule string < 1565217356 620562 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 0 < 1565217373 988908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hmm? I never claimed my nick doesn't mean anything. < 1565217381 366514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously the rot13 of "fun puns". < 1565217391 24188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, it's zzo who claimed their nick doesn't mean anything < 1565217404 539080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo38 is also the rot13 of "fun puns". < 1565217404 809351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just claim you didn't choose it to mean a hash thingy < 1565217429 343448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was only joking about the algorithm called "hashlife". < 1565217464 914509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said anything about my nick. < 1565217473 75134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... you and zzo38 are _both_ the rot13 of funpuns? < 1565217512 996904 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, some of the hackeso commands are a bit rigged, so I could imagine if the rot13 command claimed that zzo38 was the rot13 of funpuns < 1565217515 999617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _both_? < 1565217523 148686 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo shachaf | tr a-z n-za-m < 1565217524 316658 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns < 1565217533 892256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rot13 <<<'fun puns' < 1565217534 726392 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sha chaf < 1565217535 678306 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo zzo38 | tr a-z n-za-m < 1565217536 453552 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmb38 < 1565217548 345815 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cat $(which ```) < 1565217548 954792 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `cat: not found < 1565217555 163192 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat $(which ```) < 1565217555 829033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1565217559 16051 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat $(which '```') < 1565217567 729453 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gr < 1565217577 388501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/``` < 1565217578 17788 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: 'bin/```': No such file or directory < 1565217580 802090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`` < 1565217581 420677 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ export LANG=C; exec bash -O extglob -c "$@" | rnooodl < 1565217589 562482 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1565217648 456659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first how many primes did you say? 27? < 1565217663 281757 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 27 primes, ok < 1565217663 913807 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 42069 < 1565217680 318961 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :42069: 3 37 379 < 1565217683 404983 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 42069247365 < 1565217684 56933 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :42069247365: 3 5 2804616491 < 1565217699 162631 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: I haven't checked, but I imagine at the extremes there will be 'bad' CA rules that cannot exhibit interesting behaviour, like the trivial "all cells go to 0", and it's in some kind of balanced range where interesting interactions can take over. < 1565217753 694033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is prop 13 a 'bad' CA rule < 1565217790 833250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "all cells go to 0" would be an even worse rule. < 1565217800 377975 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Studying trivially rubbish CA's is less interesting than what got me thinking about entropy in Star Wars :) < 1565217810 43102 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, there's been classifications of rules into categories like "dying", "exploding", "expanding" etc, and there's ways to guess what certain rule strings can do < 1565217839 458080 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a range where it's pretty unpredictable what adding one death/birth rule will do < 1565217956 800989 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://mathematrec.wordpress.com/2016/09/08/changing-the-rules-part-3/ < 1565219378 229462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ p:11111128263413556049728126571976941130032759962428 < 1565219378 924828 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |limit error < 1565219378 973415 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | p:1.11111e49 < 1565219381 197745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ p:11111128263413556049728126571976941130032759962428x < 1565219381 891575 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |limit error < 1565219381 935895 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | p:11111128263413556049728126571976941130032759962428 < 1565219386 997374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q:11111128263413556049728126571976941130032759962428x < 1565219387 692460 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 13 17 17 17 17 23 23 23 23 23 < 1565219409 113406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ^ this is a simple first guess, I'm running a longer search < 1565219488 870224 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of numbers < 1565219535 762453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q:11111112020943532694674878126746501120000000000000 < 1565219536 482476 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 171193786852609 < 1565219542 818007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1565219543 746181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q:11111112020943532694674878126746501120000000000000x < 1565219544 449168 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 < 1565219547 626012 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1565219803 347719 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q:11111111900997990188240163285841258014887116800000x < 1565219804 56564 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 5 5 5 5 5 7 7 19 19 23 < 1565220143 633158 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1565220487 715960 :doesthiswork!~doesthisw@98.125.180.92 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1565220796 346050 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1565220963 359591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1565221946 53732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is silly, there's a way to make this search much more efficient < 1565221964 518621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-59.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ q:11111111239428571047989046031440000000000000000000x NB. it printed this in the meantime < 1565221965 215037 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 11 11 11 11 13 13 19 < 1565222275 349077 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds