> 1551398401 770747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60168&oldid=60162 5* 03Orby 5* (+640) 10/* Poolshark on the unit square */ > 1551398611 578117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60169&oldid=60168 5* 03Orby 5* (+6) 10/* Poolshark on the unit square */ > 1551399091 347708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60170&oldid=60169 5* 03Orby 5* (+112) 10 > 1551399170 246424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orby14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60171&oldid=60006 5* 03Orby 5* (+74) 10 < 1551399422 446203 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1551399499 43465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60172&oldid=60170 5* 03Orby 5* (+289) 10/* Irrational slope */ > 1551399555 257405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60173&oldid=60172 5* 03Orby 5* (+10) 10/* Irrational slope */ < 1551399600 532241 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1551399600 837118 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1551399856 888208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1551399949 548937 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan! < 1551400064 871364 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1551400294 699818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmchi < 1551400306 710980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorbitaldecay < 1551400330 940693 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kimchi? < 1551400355 389025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you got me < 1551400363 794056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may never have actually tasted it < 1551400434 939715 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kimchi is tg < 1551400455 383747 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you probably don't remember me, we played with picofuck a few years ago < 1551400465 730469 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kon oerjan wa < 1551400569 815521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551400600 899650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-171.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1551400939 219813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum i admit i don't remember. are you the same as orby on the wiki? < 1551400968 625239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hikhq < 1551401097 376406 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the same as Orby on the wiki < 1551401121 243396 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a long time ago and I have been completely abscent since then < 1551401142 47173 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a tendency to cycle through communities every couple years :) < 1551401221 272547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1551401239 762753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( so you're orbiting? ) < 1551401287 742692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the orbit is decaying, it should be speeding up. < 1551401342 451054 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551401354 433788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or is the opposite also decay, like i understand the moon did before settling into always facing earth < 1551401369 609212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the same side) < 1551401404 176602 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! yes, my rate of cycling is increasing with age < 1551401415 532953 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at my death, I will be in all communities simultaneously < 1551401480 581885 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think there's any way to get tc out of https://esolangs.org/wiki/Poolshark ? < 1551401494 8177 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an idea I was kicking around today < 1551401588 468638 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's interesting, even if not tc < 1551401749 728049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles over to the wiki < 1551401778 736316 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will cry the day this wiki ceases to exist < 1551402158 75903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: i suspect poolshark is "trivially" TC if you allow the boundary to be a suitable uncomputable curve (basically, just encode the answer you want for each program). < 1551402174 332053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's so trivial it's not very interesting. < 1551402195 483347 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I thought of that too, but no that is not interesting < 1551402264 11270 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any output it's trivial to construct a poolshark language that generates it, but the interesting question is whether or not a poolshark language exists that can generate any computable output < 1551402376 192846 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get neat sequences from the unit square once you start feeding it irrational numbers < 1551402417 432024 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't understand it well enough yet to say if there's some construction that can generate arbitrary computable sequences < 1551402466 216203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen trajedy? < 1551402473 233884 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not < 1551402499 943451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a tiny bit similar < 1551402510 491686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is TC < 1551402519 961250 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading now < 1551402677 941042 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat! < 1551402862 944734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, conjecture... this is TC if the boundary of D is composed of straight line and parabola segments. < 1551402945 109860 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hmm, can you elaborate? how would the parabola and line segment map to output? < 1551402976 148287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had a hunch conic sections would help < 1551402977 152712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to work with state encoded in the offset of a bundlet of parallel rays; and I think two parabola segments can be used to compress or expand such a bundle, by making one of them a scaled version of the other with the scaling centered at the focal point) < 1551403061 438110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could even simulate the rational transformations trajedy uses < 1551403085 454454 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea behind poolshark comes from the field of dynamical billiards where there is a thing called a bunimovich stadium which might be useful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_billiards < 1551403088 584168 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I have not thought about output; it's really a secondary concern to my mind (if everything else fails one can just look at whether the thing halts on a particular output or not. < 1551403102 422568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1551403132 254717 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551403161 295934 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right right < 1551403266 920886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are details to be worked out; what I have is only obviously enough for a stack machine. < 1551403313 780063 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this is a good start. Ixnay on the bunimovich stadium is too smooth, no halting < 1551403336 458815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trajedy has this delicate feature that a ray passes through gaps between adjacent mirrors... is something similar possible in Poolshark? (Let D consist of two closed squares adjoint at a corner, and aim a ray directly at that corner... does the program halt there and then or does it pass through to the other side?) < 1551403369 243007 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a good question. let me think about it for a minute. < 1551403373 275545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you don't need the _second_ derivative to be smooth, so... < 1551403383 498594 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1551403390 232459 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1551403397 268143 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgnhfclqryycswjw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1551403410 418527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even the first < 1551403414 392459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but it's too far into the night for me to wreck my brain like this... so I'm sticking to something smooth at simple :) < 1551403444 821116 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1551403446 499714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hm < 1551403482 903363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy that two parabolas make a linear map. I thought about using ellipses (jumping from focal point to focal point) and decided that I wouldn't want to compose the resulting nonlinear maps < 1551403511 936725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining two curves that join with the meeting point having a derivative without it being continuous... but i think that may require the limit not to exist < 1551403606 592142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wikipedia link worth adding to the wiki page? < 1551403616 619429 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll add it < 1551403657 135861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. I need to sleep, then work. Perhaps I'll revisit this in the evening :) > 1551403729 17395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60174&oldid=60173 5* 03Orby 5* (+139) 10 < 1551403757 392081 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night! < 1551403782 726453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hello orbitaldecay < 1551403783 531902 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World. < 1551403786 422788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1551403798 296651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellorbitaldecay < 1551403807 101386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ello shachaf < 1551403808 648364 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ello: not found < 1551403811 677422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1551403821 962276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ello hmmm < 1551403825 303246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1551403838 834260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dobg ello < 1551403840 705527 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :4699:2014-07-27 ` rm bin/{node,ello} \ 4071:2013-11-22 chmod +x bin/ello \ 4070:2013-11-22 mv raw.php* bin/ello \ 4068:2013-11-22 chmod +x bin/ello \ 4067:2013-11-22 mv raw.php* bin/ello \ 4058:2013-11-22 echo "(function(){var e,l,o,t;t=process.argv[2],(null!=t?t.length:void 0)||(console.log(\'Usage: ello \'),process.exit()),o=/(.*)(e)$/i,e=/(.*)([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxz])([o0] < 1551403842 59318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -rl aeiou bin < 1551403842 932136 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/h! \ bin/?h \ bin/thanks \ bin/hyphenate.fi \ bin/hi \ bin/blessyou \ bin/unh \ bin/?hh \ bin/shmify \ bin/h < 1551403855 296395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before bin/ello < 1551403859 155717 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/ello//#!/usr/bin/env node \ // Generated by CoffeeScript 1.6.2 \ (function() { \ var consonant_then_o, ell_manglable, ends_with_consonant, ends_with_consonant_then_vowel, name, starts_with_o; \ \ name = process.argv[2]; \ \ if (!(name != null ? name.length : void 0)) { \ console.log('Usage: ello '); \ process.exit(); \ } \ \ consonant_then_o = /(.*)([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxz])([o0].*)/i; \ \ ends_with_consonant = /[bcdfghjklmn > 1551403874 388261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60175&oldid=60174 5* 03Orby 5* (+105) 10/* See also */ < 1551403892 271893 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey shachaf! < 1551404239 250190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, the mean value theorem implies that if a function is differentiable in an open interval, then the derivative there must be an accumulation point of the surrounding derivatives < 1551404266 796881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know integration of computable functions on computable reals is computable? < 1551404280 627422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's a limit of derivatives toward a point, it must be the derivative there if it exists < 1551404287 594403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that it was possible but didn't know how it worked. < 1551404470 952238 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm with you < 1551404516 834277 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's interesting shachaf < 1551404525 861631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: which means you cannot really have a single exceptional but non-halting point at the meeting of two parabolas < 1551404539 757362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit trickier than it seems at first. < 1551404560 718183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular you can bound a computable function : [0,1] -> R < 1551404615 92060 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that makes sense < 1551404630 799488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the trickiness i see is, what if it blows up when you get close to a _non_-computable point? < 1551404657 774201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you mean? < 1551404724 260741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you want to confirm it's bounded i'd imagine you'd want to cover [0,1] by intervals where it can be approximated in each < 1551404739 579020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do you know those cover everything, even non-computable points? < 1551404742 725493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, all functions are bounded. < 1551404751 603103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On a closed interval.) < 1551404764 505455 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was waiting for that :) < 1551404815 128750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know computable functions are supposedly automatically continuous < 1551404828 109520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it occurs to me that that's only obvious at computable argument points < 1551404938 471892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But f is a function on computable reals < 1551405063 749555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not having it on non-computable points means you cannot apply the classical boundedness theorems directly > 1551405088 351106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60176&oldid=60175 5* 03Orby 5* (+13) 10/* Slope of 1 */ making clear what is not < 1551405126 906710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess what i'm saying then is that i don't see why they're automatically bounded, in that case < 1551405167 316486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it wasn't obvious to me that you can compute the bounds. < 1551405207 463075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular it seemed like if you can just sample f at different points to different precisions, that doesn't tell you whether it blows up somewhere else. < 1551405217 415371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's not obvious to me that they even exist non-constructively < 1551405448 73336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose you'd compute in parallel < 1551405476 376446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if things blow up, you'd show you somehow get a constructive counterexample out of it < 1551405548 721853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d739/04971c7e9cd54f5fc12a054feda0ef74b0ba.pdf hth < 1551405554 268381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1551405562 121760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even need to be parallel? < 1551405803 750064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be the second math paper i give up reading this week hth < 1551405833 977120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain doesn't have the stamina for wading through long technical stuff any longer < 1551405854 310567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway one of the things is, when you ask f for the value of f(x) to some precision, it asks you about the value of x to some precision(s). < 1551405880 194215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you know how much precision it asked you for, which you can use for this. < 1551405893 406721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part i actually understood < 1551405898 622983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1551405990 171450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if f is actually defined on non-computable computable real numbers :P then that is enough. < 1551405998 276702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the bound to exit < 1551406001 550165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist > 1551406006 555020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60177&oldid=60176 5* 03Orby 5* (+0) 10/* See also */ < 1551406041 391711 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rorexqikhediwnmt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1551406108 652336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which i mean, functions from precision to approximation that are not actually computable) < 1551406134 491723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1551406155 893272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are just called reals, though, not computable reals. < 1551406166 303201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1551408424 820268 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551408700 843506 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1551408702 8751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know you can define typedefs to function types in C? < 1551408713 610747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef int foo(int, int); > 1551408996 445356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60178&oldid=60158 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+246) 10 > 1551409185 922756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60179&oldid=60178 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+83) 10 > 1551409459 674941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Timtomtoaster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60180&oldid=60165 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+27) 10 > 1551409468 442792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Timtomtoaster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60181&oldid=60180 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+1) 10 < 1551409669 887271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I've never understood why APIs tend to use typedefs of pointers to functions rather than the function types. < 1551409730 282663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`typedef void sighandler_t(int); sighandler_t *signal(int signum, sighandler_t *handler);` would be so much better than `typedef void (*sighandler_t)(int); sighandler_t signal(int signum, sighandler_t handler);` < 1551409730 892161 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: typedef: not found < 1551409759 182575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1551409763 94446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be even gooder if you could use the function typedef to define functions, but I guess that's complicated re parameter names. < 1551409787 998373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you can use them for declarations that aren't a definition, though. < 1551409828 664831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1551409850 611498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i sighandler_t sig_ign; > 1551410002 950685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orangeyy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60182 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+103) 10Created page with "Some kid who can kinda program Formerly [[User:Timtomtoaster]]. I might make something new eventually." < 1551410428 233457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1551410613 117313 :orbitaldecay!44215de2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.93.226 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1551412674 490883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60183&oldid=60179 5* 03Oerjan 5* (-2) 10wut < 1551412691 740397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esowiki: you lost my pun tdnh < 1551414438 21566 :aloril_!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a1c-218.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551414727 76306 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1551414901 525645 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551414956 294685 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a1c-218.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1551415174 419848 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1551418195 687485 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a1c-218.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1551418385 747963 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6a1c-218.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1551418979 254580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.232.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551421393 241087 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551421660 218147 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1551424552 339616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure if moloch von zinzer had been there, he'd have wondered how none of them expected this. < 1551425291 462694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe the jägers did < 1551426102 398926 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1551426125 369892 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1551427024 261016 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551428548 227094 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.232.59 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1551428801 294286 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551428956 624217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1551429469 2993 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjjokgdlgngcjxym JOIN :#esoteric < 1551430158 140434 :orbitaldecay!442158fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.88.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551430979 118970 :orbitaldecay!442158fe@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.88.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1551431659 655879 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1551434843 552652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60184&oldid=60167 5* 03A 5* (+160) 10/* Continuation on the above by User:A */ > 1551434912 710965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60185&oldid=60184 5* 03A 5* (-38) 10/* Attempt by User:A */ > 1551437109 840470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60186&oldid=60185 5* 03A 5* (+293) 10/* Tail procedure */ < 1551437249 791551 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bjjokgdlgngcjxym QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1551437273 266287 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60187&oldid=60186 5* 03A 5* (+94) 10/* Tail procedure */ > 1551437385 448622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60188&oldid=60187 5* 03A 5* (+177) 10/* =Bit comparison */ > 1551438170 796056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60189&oldid=60188 5* 03A 5* (-191) 10 > 1551438406 290331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60190&oldid=60189 5* 03A 5* (+27) 10This is Turing complete if only bits are neccesary for Turing completeness. > 1551438419 86995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 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675664 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1551446520 14411 :AnnaSeo!~uh@ppp-94-69-229-11.home.otenet.gr QUIT :Quit: i just need to know if you are a man < 1551447247 393946 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1551449243 124330 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 JOIN :#esoteric > 1551449422 163225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60194&oldid=60193 5* 03A 5* (+77) 10/* References */ < 1551450213 397401 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551450229 263750 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ello < 1551450230 385588 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ello? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1551450232 927523 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `ello < 1551450234 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60195&oldid=60161 5* 03Areallycoolusername 5* (+2) 10 < 1551466310 959876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1551466327 449648 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1551466328 281392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aww esowiki does not allow svg? > 1551466434 665810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Sharkscale.png10]]": scaling a shark < 1551466680 758698 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1551466754 433593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60197 5* 03Int-e 5* (+206) 10scaling sharks < 1551466989 893546 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does "git rebase so slow" < 1551467016 317630 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, why does git "rebase" so slowly < 1551467213 717504 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00fc578b5afd0db9e6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1551468191 450553 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you rebasing past a lot of commits? < 1551468200 801706 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it essentially has to apply each diff one by one < 1551468505 12540 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it would be nice if it had a loading bar then < 1551468536 223839 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewinding head... 222/123123 < 1551468538 209004 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably an obscure flag for it < 1551468541 755862 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somehitng < 1551468547 571563 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if you want to rebase past 100,000 commits you're gonna have a bad time < 1551468568 495987 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: some people run their git repo on a ramdisk for faster operations < 1551468573 189618 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not found an improvement that way < 1551468578 103182 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Git is not terribly optimized < 1551468585 516235 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is shell scripts or used to be < 1551468616 567110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a shame so many people have settled on git when there are plenty of improvements to be made in version control < 1551468749 549966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1157 < 1551468750 237394 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1157: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1551468872 213525 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.200.33 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1551469092 858290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooo > 1551469327 758185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Magicsharkmirror.png10]]": magic mirror for directing sharks < 1551469524 749865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not by intention, just by accident. < 1551469539 442155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: From a quick glance, it's just that it's not an enabled-by-default MediaWiki feature. < 1551469605 857134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be possible to enable it. > 1551469658 201009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60199&oldid=60197 5* 03Int-e 5* (+765) 10enter the magic mirror < 1551469729 622952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a big deal... svg just feels smoother. but of course it's also a way to transport Javascript... so perhaps it's better to leave it turned off. < 1551469780 7700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's a very sad reason. < 1551469792 498714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But valid, I'm afraid. < 1551470016 942507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MediaWiki blocks any JS in SVG even when it's enabled. < 1551470024 834440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's assuming they've managed to catch it all. > 1551470026 289760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60200&oldid=60199 5* 03Int-e 5* (+225) 10fewer obstructions < 1551470115 820047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1551470489 72357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Re canonical way to clear top 32 bits of eax, looks like in at least some contexts GCC will use "mov eax, eax" for that, which makes sense. < 1551470489 407161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1551470841 466283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a thing to my status bar that shows me the size in bytes of the primary and clipboard selection, whether they contain any newlines, and whether they are equal. < 1551470855 43248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a keybinding to clear them both. < 1551470861 2189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is TG. < 1551470876 450648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty good. < 1551470889 43622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the newline indicator, maybe I could dare to paste from PDFs to IRC with one of those. < 1551470918 359307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daring to paste to IRC was the goal. < 1551470942 978635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo can you believe we're still using these archaic terminal uis that don't support paste properly > 1551470945 27604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60201&oldid=60200 5* 03Int-e 5* (+237) 10 < 1551471153 848897 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn it it has been 2 hours < 1551471156 974265 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid git < 1551471169 247539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm. "ETSI as a global standards body has been engaged for the past three years in developing Transport Layer Security implementation technical standards" < 1551471500 625100 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacex rocket launch in 11hr30min < 1551471696 797183 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually paste into url bar first < 1551471700 550157 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to erase newlines < 1551471718 245499 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: it's not giving you a progress indication? < 1551471723 120502 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually does... < 1551471727 268620 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you don't want to merge instead? < 1551471740 238897 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could look at how many commits there are past the rebase point as a progress < 1551471743 232763 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1551471912 142367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell it's not really possible to watch for clipboard changes in X? < 1551471930 263049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Is this about the eTLS scam? < 1551472003 682621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1551472020 849868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "e" stands for "backdoor-ready", I believe ;-) < 1551472032 666233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least that has a nice buzzy ring to it) < 1551472047 324550 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's far more accurate than "enterprise") < 1551472100 433953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also write that "security capabilities [will] go dark". https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Publications/sp/800-52/rev-2/draft/documents/sp800-52r2-draft2-comments-received.pdf#page=14 < 1551472169 386152 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you poll? < 1551472178 272402 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think X has various extensions that let you sniff all messages? < 1551472237 425865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just poll once a second, yep. < 1551472241 312781 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btfizbesorwyvoae QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1551472257 721485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems kind of excessive for a small feature. But maybe it's possible? < 1551472267 337693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and if two clients try that, then they'll be spinning each otwards their nose, like when two dogs mutually try to sniff each other's butt < 1551472304 772674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1551472314 512519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sniffing messages doesn't generate messages presumably. < 1551472321 38165 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1551472335 825269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kmc said "sniff all messages" < 1551472346 70081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :👃 < 1551472369 78963 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort all messages < 1551472379 591026 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to be careful to ignore your own set-clipboard messages, though < 1551472423 827579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 is a mess < 1551472431 524528 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1551472474 603606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in theory it's a protocol but you can't even implement it yourself if you want opengl or whatever < 1551472491 752492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you gotta use xlib which is a double mess < 1551472603 755766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there an alternative mess (xcb)? < 1551472658 94828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use xcb instead of xlib? < 1551472677 65665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need xlib for glx but maybe you can do the rest with xcb. < 1551472974 527007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I've written one xcb program and that was ages ago... I think the main point was to allow more asynchronicity which is rather pointless for small programs. < 1551472998 761435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of asynchronicity? < 1551473022 924161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to do GLX though. https://xcb.freedesktop.org/manual/group__XCB__Glx__API.html < 1551473101 630339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, submitting several requests simultaneously and process replys as they come along the socket. A lot of the libX APIs are synchronous at first; a function will make a request to the X server and wait for the reply. < 1551473109 264543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Xlib < 1551473208 789093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, really? < 1551473215 394627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I'd be good just polling on the file descriptor. < 1551473308 93551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most requests, xcb hands out cookied that you can wait on later. http://paste.debian.net/1070921/ < 1551473356 573311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1551473436 646445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very low level... I'm not sure I'd really want to go there :P < 1551473678 93663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, http://www.inkscapeforum.com/images/smilies/tool_pen.gif ... treating tool icons as smileys :) < 1551473707 175941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I use instead? < 1551473726 313490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, did you know Gtk renders widgets using CSS nowadays? < 1551473768 482523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, vaguely. I remember tweaking an evince color with CSS at some point. < 1551473807 839684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it Qt that does that? < 1551473825 787855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt also does it. < 1551473857 950243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not all that surprising < 1551473871 113810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(once you allow themes) < 1551473983 547059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird > 1551474239 51766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03Int-e 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Magicsharkmirror.png10]]": add "bad" circle > 1551474350 808511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60203&oldid=60201 5* 03Int-e 5* (+219) 10 < 1551474445 766945 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all < 1551474491 351570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there < 1551474507 638776 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, you've added something. looking now. > 1551474566 255605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60204&oldid=60203 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1) 10typo < 1551474764 793780 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to need to think about this, brain is a little tired atm, but thank you for articulating your idea! < 1551474768 118942 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm excited! > 1551474788 268170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ALLSCII14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60205 5* 03Cortex 5* (+451) 10Created page with "'''ALLSCII''' is a stack-based esolang created by [[User:Cortex|]] where every printable ASCII character is (will be) a valid command. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |-..." < 1551474868 108408 :neanias!sid218528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arxjcafvxtqqivcm PART :#esoteric < 1551474987 114625 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collaborating is so cool B) < 1551475138 8405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: I guess my main point in the "magic mirror" construction is that without smoothness, you may have too much power built into a single reflection already. OTOH, this enables a divisibility test so reducing from Fractran becomes a breeze, which seems fair enough... (the region D and all reflections remain computable; TCness is emerging from doing an unbounded number of reflections.) < 1551475207 887741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand Mediawiki's caching. < 1551475230 22308 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if in doubt, blame caching < 1551475251 36226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (https://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Poolshark is showing an old image version for me, after showing the right one a couple of minutes ago. < 1551475256 808620 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it. excellent. I appreciate your thoughts :) < 1551475330 83049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restarted the browser, now it's fine... (too many caches is what I'm blaming) < 1551475347 600956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I see, X calls can just block waiting for a reply whenever they want? < 1551475385 8029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think so. < 1551475534 644830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbitaldecay: and the construction is a variation on an analysis (or calculus) exercise... construct a function which is differentiable on the rationals, with an arbitrary function Q -> R as the partial derivative. (Q can be replaced by a countable subset of the reals) < 1551475562 9162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I should not use "partial derivative" like that :P < 1551475577 417347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean it's a partial function...) < 1551475617 753821 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I vaguely recall doing something like that in an introductory real analysis course once < 1551475786 264246 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been out of school for too long. My brain is rotting haha < 1551475800 967668 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going through this will be a good exercise for the evening < 1551475909 508050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too obviously since my intuition says that Q is dense in R so you can't arbitrarily pick derivatives on all points in Q like that < 1551475962 262171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Man, the xcb API looks big and complicated. < 1551475973 117156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the canonical way to do things? < 1551475979 418882 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: blame the X protocol :) < 1551475990 701256 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shi < 1551476001 198898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the canonical way is to use a toolkit library that hides all the ugliness (and adds some of its own instead) < 1551476018 419449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1551476027 921266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the canonical way is to use xcb for negotiating and bootstrapping saner protocols < 1551476036 143664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones? < 1551476054 552869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. GTK is the only one I've programmed with. < 1551476074 654316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably xkb and whatever that other one is for input, and some protocol for mapping some video memory and drawing straight on them for output < 1551476082 699733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to write some GTK code and it was so demoralizing I gave up programming. < 1551476116 639562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet here we are < 1551476127 627191 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it all works < 1551476133 336459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe SDL? < 1551476138 631660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the toolkits suck these days, but you can't do much about that < 1551476220 718635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The postmodern approach is to use an HTML renderer. (Electron...) < 1551476229 620381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1551476232 588885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is too postmodern for me. < 1551476348 457438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is nice for what it does. < 1551476760 287296 :shi!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1551476794 855776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: One of the things I don't get about these APIs is why they're full of mallocs. < 1551476861 118264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to be OO, and "malloc" is how you do "new" in C? < 1551476981 534009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would a low-level api be OO < 1551477019 565300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1551477045 129403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh if you did not refer to toolkit libraries maybe you should be more specific than writing "these" < 1551477128 697585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(toolkit libraries tend to think of themselves as highlevel) < 1551477235 968768 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREEEE HOURS!!!!! < 1551477260 592835 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, rewinding head to replay your work on top of it... < 1551477268 382960 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1551477412 870816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Xlib and xcb < 1551477416 340406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but if you meant xcb... the X protocol has some variable length replies, so hiding the allocation in the library is *good*. for uniformity reasons it's reasonable to treat all the other data in the same way. < 1551477449 466950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't it just tell me the size and let me allocate? < 1551477651 455156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can just implement that yourself directly < 1551477656 646288 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-82.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using the library < 1551477660 151708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I? < 1551477665 853879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use OpenGL. < 1551477682 303520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Vulkan or whatever. < 1551477734 859864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the glX calls take a Display * argument so I don't think they can be used with my own implementation of the protocol? < 1551479111 580650 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1551480279 86192 :J_Arcane_!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtyylycydmwpjcym JOIN :#esoteric < 1551480325 903542 :ocharles_!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1551480756 228511 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:d12b:7194:ce8c:11a8 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1551480758 533738 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1551480758 573213 :J_Arcane!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xicczvqpmgahqrha QUIT :*.net *.split < 1551480762 609276 :J_Arcane_!sid119274@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gtyylycydmwpjcym NICK :J_Arcane < 1551480775 467376 :ocharles_!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles NICK :ocharles < 1551481007 998581 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUR HOUUUURRRRRS < 1551481143 600623 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:5c54:3931:a544:cab5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551481503 127743 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1551481610 264119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocharles: yocharles < 1551481929 118577 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1551481957 551410 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: apparently a method for the construction of continuous functions that are only differentiable at rational points wasn't discovered until 2013 (!) < 1551481971 209953 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a method does exist < 1551481981 879681 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're not in completely uncharted territory < 1551482124 629796 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it the other way, constructing a continuous function that is only differentiable at irrational points, is apparently easy < 1551482185 26122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I can do that by adding sawtooth functions. (period 1/n, amplitude 1/n^2, sum over all n) < 1551482213 152332 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that makes sense < 1551482240 793519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or step functions to get something that is discontinuous at all rational numbers, and has derivative 0 elsewhere < 1551482300 199018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fortunately, for that magic mirror I just don't care what happens for irrational offsets < 1551482321 347053 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think the easiest might be to have it not even be differentiable at rational points so it just halts < 1551482353 366352 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-031.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1551482468 91389 :orbitaldecay!44215aa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.33.90.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1551482851 862772 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-066-199-031.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1551483437 577029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss BZFlag < 1551483548 296741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp riddle < 1551483549 654214 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1551483560 488552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wc -l quotes < 1551483560 966877 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try 'wc --help' for more information. < 1551483563 452712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``wc -l quotes < 1551483563 915079 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `wc: not found < 1551483571 753109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` wc -l quotes < 1551483572 482365 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1332 quotes < 1551483958 775679 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is buggy shit. nobody gives a shit if anything works. people don't give a fuck about picking good tools. the claim that software as practice today is "engineering" is completely embarrassing < 1551483976 45681 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards are so low and everyone is just okay with it for some reason < 1551484027 791327 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the reasons i'm giving up on software < 1551484058 471198 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, and fuck everything < 1551484303 980806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think that's structural more than anything < 1551484313 804200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :most notably that the stakes in software are, i think, actually quite low < 1551484368 633437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly lower than stuff that has historically been called engineering < 1551484375 185719 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1551484399 221514 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if software came with guarantees and you could sue < 1551484405 795884 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then companies would have to buy insurance < 1551484413 676656 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if their practices are shit then their insurance will be too expensive < 1551484419 667274 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the software would also be more expensive < 1551484482 628834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but i think the reason that doesn't happen is that it's actually not that important when software breaks < 1551484525 865262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive particularly noticed that with security stuff where, like, i feel there's this gulf between what security researchers say which is that security Matters and is Immensely Important < 1551484563 907099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the real world in which bash, openssl and every fucking cpu on the planet all had security holes you could drive a truck through for a decade and it didn't matter until security researchers kicked up a fuss over it < 1551484671 583112 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mattered to a bunch of people who got hacked and their lives ruined < 1551484696 409121 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter to average joe but it's one of the main drivers behind the modern panopticon authoritarian state < 1551484708 570017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :who got hacked with any of those bugs? < 1551484758 559567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the panopticon authoritarian state is a political problem that must be solved with political action < 1551484764 248303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not netsec < 1551484771 946603 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but we don't have to make it so easy for them