< 1550794015 658310 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550794190 764682 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1550794191 234539 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1550794245 853370 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-25-75.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1550794372 40016 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of font are you making orin < 1550794522 361240 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am working on a terminal/pixel font, 16 pixels tall and 9 or 18 pixels wide, supporting lots of unicode characters < 1550794550 258534 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm < 1550794630 430400 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: currently supports european languages, korean, hebrew, arabic, and devanagari, as well as a lot of japanese but not all < 1550794640 143652 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of characters < 1550794681 697106 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 21130 so far < 1550794697 668916 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you drew each one? < 1550794714 151850 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I drew all of the non-hangul < 1550794731 157768 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which is 9958 in total < 1550794757 27065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: imo why do you have yiddish text there < 1550794757 309410 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hangul I drew the components and wrote a program to combine them < 1550794759 212637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more ligatures? < 1550794824 739895 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes iirc. it's been a year since I worked on this < 1550794867 863413 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ideally I need a sample text with the hebrew dots to demonstrate it supports them < 1550794879 964734 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nikkudots? < 1550794905 755697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, a cross-language portmanteau < 1550795861 969070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1550795974 626359 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550795974 729395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1550796000 869117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( He can never remember the dontaskdonttelllist, so he put it here for convenience. ) < 1550796043 603078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: don't you run lambdabot? make your own dontaskdonttelllist hth < 1550796187 715660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It sometimes happens that people ask lambabot related questions via @ask/@tell, for example because they are from a channel that I'm not in. So blocking @tells to me on the lambdabot side is not really feasible. < 1550796201 72440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help auto-reply < 1550796201 115567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-reply. Lets lambda-bot auto-reply if someone sends you a message < 1550796248 604504 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1550796301 623887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that this help message spells lambdabot with a hyphen. < 1550796332 802938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> git grep lambda-bot < 1550796332 971741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot-social-plugins/src/Lambdabot/Plugin/Social/Tell.hs: { help = say "auto-reply. Lets lambda-bot auto-reply if someone sends you a message" < 1550796334 784698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1550796334 851580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: git :: t0 -> t1 -> a < 1550796334 891084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1550796341 388737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1550796341 433128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1550796345 28060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oops0 < 1550796346 836485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1550797653 112812 :TellsTogo!d458fc8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.88.252.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550798067 663711 :digitalcold!~redacted@unaffiliated/digitalcold QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550799254 473356 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550799514 388717 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1550800203 936651 :TellsTogo!d458fc8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.88.252.140 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1550802726 481636 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jyawystlxkefzqsj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1550805160 159309 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CNatcharian 5* 10New user account > 1550805307 370027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60023&oldid=59994 5* 03CNatcharian 5* (+204) 10 < 1550805755 257030 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550806003 271692 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1550806109 585980 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, save function is now working. need to optimize the BBX line tho < 1550806226 290923 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1550806311 234444 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once that is done, I'll be ready to stop using the bloated fontforge to design my font < 1550808048 668405 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.137.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1550809036 468703 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1550809173 366745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Adamthekiwi 5* 10New user account > 1550809395 901374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60024&oldid=60023 5* 03Adamthekiwi 5* (+260) 10 < 1550809428 305839 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1550809485 128358 :adamthekiwi!49719adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.113.154.223 JOIN :#esoteric > 1550810165 397928 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Letterbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60025 5* 03CNatcharian 5* (+5476) 10Created the page < 1550810440 379481 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1550810609 819045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60026&oldid=60017 5* 03CNatcharian 5* (+16) 10/* L */ < 1550811022 571314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spots a flightless bird in the channel
< 1550811805 114604 :adamthekiwi!49719adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.113.154.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1550812081 567901 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1550812938 989229 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1550812952 686728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :revelation! < 1550812962 932001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of what?) < 1550812967 140957 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have figured out how to correctly calculate the bounding box for a glyph in BDF format < 1550812980 904709 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and output the coreect hex codes < 1550813035 150508 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whcih means soon I can say o revwar to fontforge in favor of bdfedit.c < 1550813122 60113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: but did you fix your build system yet twh < 1550813131 796434 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1550813155 308566 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my font revisions after this one will include fontforge's obnoxious < 1550813158 315264 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMENT "Generated by fontforge, http://fontforge.sourceforge.net" < 1550813165 295127 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the font file < 1550813195 990287 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with reference to sourceforge, the notorious malware site < 1550813289 153142 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead I will be editing my font with a glorious C terminal program < 1550813964 317496 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/bdfedit.htm < 1550813972 314747 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still need to fully test it < 1550814161 883123 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 其 < 1550814163 115794 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+5176 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5176 \ UTF-8: e5 85 b6 UTF-16BE: 5176 Decimal: 其 \ 其 (其) \ Uppercase: U+5176 \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1550814457 295198 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/slDzqqc < 1550814470 894027 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ character now drawn using bdfedit.c < 1550814696 428808 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloaded the bdf file to verify that it is valid and the character is in fact present < 1550814993 524292 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :converted to TTF using my bdf2ttf.c and vwala! it shows up in my font! < 1550815057 764105 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :end to end test is great success! < 1550815163 64936 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode .. < 1550815164 65143 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+002E FULL STOP \ UTF-8: 2e UTF-16BE: 002e Decimal: . \ . \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: CS (Common Number Separator) \ \ U+002E FULL STOP \ UTF-8: 2e UTF-16BE: 002e Decimal: . \ . \ Category: Po (Punctuation, Other) \ Bidi: CS (Common Number Separator) < 1550815575 853906 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550815876 704753 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1550816173 734713 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 😍 < 1550816174 777470 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F60D SMILING FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES \ UTF-8: f0 9f 98 8d UTF-16BE: d83dde0d Decimal: 😍 \ 😍 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1550818565 132417 :adamthekiwi!49719adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.113.154.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550818574 197481 :adamthekiwi!49719adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.113.154.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1550819034 457401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1550819557 115241 :adamthekiwi!49719adf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.113.154.223 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1550823427 678531 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550824312 775880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1550825255 591358 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1550825332 825153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-14.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1550825337 448096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-14.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fonts < 1550825338 817007 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1550825345 320112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-14.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ^ orin's is among there < 1550825871 481683 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550827886 382056 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550828527 674338 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1550829097 383652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-14.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1550829755 594054 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4b8e1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1550830505 559572 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1550830593 236442 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1550830943 74334 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550831207 65969 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikyghjhgdsdwhbar JOIN :#esoteric < 1550831392 214792 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1550832467 520075 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1550833691 217366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60027&oldid=59878 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+114) 10/* 99 Bottles */ better output > 1550833854 939012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60028&oldid=60027 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+22) 10/* External resources */ TC proof example link update and TC category < 1550834949 621940 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1550835274 911383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60029&oldid=60004 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+182) 10/* */ < 1550835938 15836 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode א < 1550835939 76192 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+05D0 HEBREW LETTER ALEF \ UTF-8: d7 90 UTF-16BE: 05d0 Decimal: א \ א \ Category: Lo (Letter, Other) \ Bidi: R (Right-to-Left) > 1550835946 294430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60030&oldid=60029 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+587) 10/* The Waterfall Model */ < 1550837235 882647 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550837450 653832 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1550837450 784147 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1550838153 394389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60031&oldid=58459 5* 03Puzzlet Chung 5* (-85) 10/* External resources */ < 1550839395 305034 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1550839421 231704 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1550839445 745556 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1550841877 54418 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1550845589 39901 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikyghjhgdsdwhbar QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1550846970 958709 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550847486 776246 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-desetdooibsyzieo JOIN :#esoteric < 1550849613 553336 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric > 1550851807 936270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Onov14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=60032 5* 03AIden 5* (+146) 10Created page with "This seems difficult to understand. Maybe you could add a picture? --~~~~" < 1550852343 319942 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hichaf < 1550854225 577164 :bobby!~Bob@76.202.115.164 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1550855430 529738 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1550856026 584837 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.3.137.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1550856193 665545 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1550859389 46825 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-desetdooibsyzieo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1550859490 124987 :CNatch!6b4d467c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.70.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550859614 198319 :CNatch!6b4d467c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.70.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\HELP < 1550859783 417274 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1550859788 738590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome CNatch < 1550859790 50631 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07CNatch: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1550859881 118596 :CNatch!6b4d467c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.77.70.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1550859991 960366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: higan < 1550860056 572430 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1550860058 348795 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh'ts new < 1550860091 953494 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1550860094 762868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: new? < 1550860094 903732 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and hr definitely tells you something < 1550860122 254108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: since when do you relcome tdnh < 1550860183 142171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've done that on occasion, when I'm not in the mood for `wElCoMe or `WeLcOmE < 1550860192 223389 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcom < 1550860192 736279 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcom: not found < 1550860202 238052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's clearly an oversight < 1550860204 757059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elcome < 1550860209 475213 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: . (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.) < 1550860245 618509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#soteric? < 1550860252 871010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cbt elcome < 1550860253 626870 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | sed s/\\\<.//g < 1550860469 996419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "two time pad" < 1550860470 687682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/2249/how-does-one-attack-a-two-time-pad-i-e-one-time-pad-with-key-reuse < 1550860521 301078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unhygienic < 1550860533 473631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1550860541 441960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also bad crypto < 1550860592 886376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like OTP but less malleable? < 1550860696 980054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure... add a message authentication code. < 1550860986 242873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but some ways of encrypting things are malleable even without MACs. < 1550861024 130359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :+less? < 1550861055 771471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yes. < 1550861073 216206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, xor is pretty much a worst-case scenario. < 1550861082 941184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use your favourite cipher to mix the bits thoroughly before using the OTP < 1550861116 789900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's true. < 1550861138 516568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ciphers are passé. It's all about unkeyed permutations nowadays. < 1550861168 758657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bascially any nonlinear map, or possibly even a secret linear map (GCM seems to be using such a beast) < 1550861293 472754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gimli.cr.yp.to/ < 1550861393 265764 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1550861612 678418 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you attack it by adding them mod whatever < 1550861620 422667 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you the modular sum of two plaintexts < 1550861626 996264 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can attack with frequency analysis or w/e < 1550862682 831838 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how does that work? is the key part of the plaintexT? < 1550862765 39053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: xor in itself isn't bad if you use it properly. and these days you don't have to carry long one-time pads either, because we have good methods to generate arbitrarily long crypto secure pseudo-random sequences and xor your things with it. < 1550862800 941687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still have to make sure never to resuse the same part of the sequence, but that's still true even if you use something more complicated than xor, xor just might be slightly more trivial to attack if you do that than other schemes. < 1550862803 934464 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a stream cipher < 1550862805 708893 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a nonce < 1550862812 161328 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes, exactly < 1550862852 435769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still have to be careful about following the protocols, and getting the key to the other party securely but never divulging it otherwise, and using proper secure random generators to get a key. < 1550862865 216842 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1550862960 284470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://gimli.cr.yp.to/gimli-20170627.pdf < 1550862967 320727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jules Verne's ''La Jangada'' is an example for what people did back when they didn't have such a nice crypto-secure key-extension scheme, so they just reused the same very short key repeated over and over in the same long message. < 1550862995 827078 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't have time to read a paper rn < 1550862996 38129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a bad way to do crypto, and in fact the outcome in the novel is that the crypto is eventually broken. < 1550863004 636124 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1550863014 616647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, it wasn't so easy to use good crypto before computers. < 1550863042 520123 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think an electromechanical device like Enigma could be made nearly as secure as modern computer-based ciphers < 1550863050 365439 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the theory to do so did not exist back then < 1550863059 412973 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it might have to be prohibitively expensive / large < 1550863060 900325 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1550863077 48057 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how to implement Salsa20 with gears and shit
< 1550863078 910511 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the Enigma wasn't secure, as history shows, and I don't think it was reasonably possible either back in the 19th century when Verne wrote those books < 1550863097 559211 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to try doing it by hand < 1550863116 450089 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know it wasn't secure, due to algorithmic design flaws < 1550863135 147287 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's fundamentally impossible to implement a secure cipher that way < 1550863140 321117 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also not thought about it in detail. < 1550863169 114952 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know if that'd be possible or not. I always think that crypto requires a bit more computation than you can do that way, but I'm not sure. < 1550863180 385045 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it wouldn't be particularly fast < 1550863184 4691 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the operations can be simple < 1550863193 362993 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Salsa20 you need 32-bit xor, 32-bit addition, and bitwise rotations < 1550863215 210869 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical calculators existed, xor is even easier, rotations are trivial < 1550863227 922685 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could at the very least make a mechanical or electromechanical device that helps working Salsa20 by hand < 1550863233 607604 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by implementing the basic ops < 1550863268 96583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that book has an unusually long message ciphered, it might be more practical to do something like that for very short messages, and those are still helpful in a war, like the original intent of the Enigma machines was < 1550863279 95491 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1550863286 389263 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also made many operational mistakes with the enigma < 1550863348 947647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so long that I think the novel doesn't even quote the whole multi-page document, only the last paragraph. < 1550863358 894585 :grumble!~iceicebab@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :`-_-`grumble < 1550863380 138369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, there's the problem that you have to remember the secret key, but it's a war and you might be killed without having time to destroy physical evidence < 1550863386 223853 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that can be a bit tricky < 1550863414 262322 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1550863421 206821 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be done if the soldiers using the machines were required to learn like a 160-bit secret key by heart, but it's not trivial < 1550863448 608835 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for salsa32 you also need a 512 bit storage < 1550863450 785081 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not trivial < 1550863473 889350 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if they write temporary values on a sheet of paper, then they need to burn those sheets of papers properly < 1550863493 746692 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1550863510 534279 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders lunch
< 1550863677 325876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the only novel of Jules Verne that features cryptography. There are two more. < 1550863735 858733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :''Mahtias Sandorf'' is another: in that one the crypto is broken because someone steals the physical copy of the key by a social engineering attack. < 1550863861 920438 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the first one is ''Voyage au centre de la Terre'', which uses even more insecure crypto than ''La Jangada'' < 1550863908 566892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was admittedly a feature: A. S. wanted the message to be found and read in the future. < 1550863947 265449 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just wanted to hide it a little because the inquisition was burning all his writings. < 1550864170 272574 :`-_-`grumble!~iceicebab@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1550865798 779511 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1550865882 667444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` welcome | perl -pe's/[a-z]\b//g' # int-e: let me try that < 1550865883 872606 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcom t th internationa hu fo esoteri programmin languag desig an deploymen! Fo mor informatio, chec ou ou wik: . (Fo th othe kin o esoteric, tr #esoteri o EFne o DALne.) < 1550865906 191669 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what... that doesn't seem right < 1550865911 679380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1550865917 869583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually https and esolangs < 1550865927 409206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why it didn't remove the p from the http and the g from the esolang < 1550866368 384331 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1550867057 30965 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on this ChaCha20-by-hand < 1550867095 16967 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I've made a table for 8 bit addition (with carry-out) < 1550867133 570423 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is to have a number of tables and worksheets so that you can do it fairly quickly w/o thinking very much < 1550867189 621165 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :working on 32 bit words as hex < 1550867192 732267 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is p. esoteric < 1550867214 671665 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition you can do with the grade school algorithm + a 4 or 8 bit addition table < 1550867225 694607 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor is easy to do nibble-wise < 1550867382 432607 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550867482 719539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I know I can do addition and bitshift and all the other operations by hand, the question is more like how many of them you need for the crypto. < 1550867497 868783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, I can do an addition by hand, but the computer can do a billion of them < 1550867501 863359 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotation is a bit harder, might need to convert to binary and back. I haven't thought about a clever way to do that < 1550867512 413030 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: are you knowledgable about the ChaCha20 algorithm? < 1550867521 269721 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1550867565 249519 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each quarter-round has four additions, four XORs, and four rotations < 1550867583 884819 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and two of the rotations are multiples of 8, which makes things easier) < 1550867600 675722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, usually I do additions and multiplications to only one and a half digit precision, but I know how to do them more precisely if I have to < 1550867608 123737 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are 20 rounds < 1550867626 815892 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550867631 258586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: four additions of what word length? < 1550867640 23082 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bits < 1550867647 418641 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all 32 bit math < 1550867657 331245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok < 1550867801 138824 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 960 32-bit operations per block, and each block gives you 512 bits < 1550867866 454679 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimistically it could take 3 hours of nonstop work, which... okay, it's a lot < 1550867893 98514 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think it can really be parallelized, but you could have several people take turns < 1550867896 614860 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that could be done, but there's not much point these days, because a small electronic device can do it too < 1550867906 29346 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :point? this is #esoteric < 1550867915 852100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1550867929 330702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do it with a mechanical computer < 1550867934 662477 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might! < 1550867941 267663 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use baudot code then 512 bits gives you about 100 characters, which is a pretty good size message < 1550867966 664401 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sfmcnslhijdnzkfm JOIN :#esoteric < 1550867977 438051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always reminds me of Mojo Jojo's speech, when he says "not with mechanical machines" and "with my own two hands" < 1550867986 960557 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm interested in secure communications after an EMP or other catastrophic event which renders most electronics unusable or difficult to find < 1550867992 261233 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a proof o concept < 1550867996 365572 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it could be done more efficiently < 1550868011 67169 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also simply use fewer rounds, if you don't expect a high capability attacker < 1550868039 551349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but I said *small* electronic device. even after an EMP some of those would survive. an older electronic calculator from the eighties. < 1550868049 258517 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1550868062 520177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from the nineties < 1550868067 317703 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately it is an arbitrary constrained problem for fun < 1550868071 902003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1550868093 601583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I have to rewatch that speech < 1550868107 984202 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1550868156 113348 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one in the Powerpuff Girls episode "Mr. Mojo's Rising", where Mojo Jojo does a strange victory speech on the particular way he's defeated the Powerpuff Girls < 1550868197 55550 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1550868197 796525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://powerpuffgirls.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Mojo%27s_Rising/Transcript has a transcript of the episode, the speech starts at "YES!! I have defeated the Powerpuff Girls!" < 1550868208 413409 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :episode title's a reference to a The Doors song :) < 1550868211 535634 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better with the actual audio and video < 1550868217 765382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can also find on the internet < 1550868267 293393 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC4 takes only 6ish byte operations per output byte < 1550868271 394406 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but RC4 is pretty well broken < 1550868423 289069 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a second, shorter monologue at the end of the episode. Mojo Jojo is good in those. < 1550868476 30521 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmwfhangxvwstvbd JOIN :#esoteric < 1550868486 567902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he actually says "bare hands" rather than "two hands" < 1550868493 238097 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironic because he always wears gloves < 1550868585 728440 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550868672 186374 :aeyxa!2d3bd6aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.59.214.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550869506 136721 :Camto!462d17f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.45.23.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550869742 67771 :aeyxa!2d3bd6aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.59.214.170 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1550870096 576918 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever see this wooden adder? https://hackaday.com/2009/10/13/binary-adder-will-give-you-slivers/ < 1550870244 483128 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's just a third-part article about Matthias Wandel's adder < 1550870277 460397 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://woodgears.ca/marbleadd/ < 1550870345 107033 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmwfhangxvwstvbd QUIT : < 1550870356 550164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've also seen a water adder with no moving parts other than water and air in the pipes, but I'm not sure if it actually worked. it was exhibited in the Technisches Museum Wien, in a way that it didn't work, and it may have worked but the setup was a suspiciously plausibly deniable one < 1550870371 980508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really looked like they rigged up to save face after they promised a water adder but couldn't get it work. < 1550870377 553448 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw water based gates as an old MIT project < 1550870416 29914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to make such a thing work in principle, but they would have needed several more iterations of debugging and glassblowing, and just ran out of time. < 1550870471 182780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could add zero plus zero reliably though. < 1550870965 577845 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550871135 116991 :Camto!462d17f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.45.23.240 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1550871227 572177 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1550871711 707061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC but that's quite different. < 1550871731 921668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first photo looks really familiar, but they say it's in New Zealand, and I haven't been there. < 1550871782 972273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess they could've had it do a tour in some other museum, though it doesn't look that portable.) < 1550871828 104474 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, I don't think it's related < 1550871858 723898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've built several. < 1550871858 945615 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550871868 771822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://collection.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/co64127/phillips-economic-computer-analog-computer is in the Science Museum here. < 1550871882 726396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/adder < 1550871905 110285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's not a very good picture < 1550872620 150734 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550873020 591815 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1550874825 95161 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1550874847 515245 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas NICK :Remavas[AFK] < 1550874905 575953 :Remavas[AFK]!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Client Quit < 1550875224 657200 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1550875475 974412 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1550875500 362450 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1550877198 953120 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas NICK :Remavas[AFK] < 1550877350 44354 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1550877528 253536 :Remavas[AFK]!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas NICK :Remavas < 1550877613 11338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-213.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea of esolang that you can move a cursor and put black and white Go stones onto a infinite grid; if a stone is already there nothing happens, but otherwise you can attach a event code to the stone added and it is executed when that stone is captured. (I think you can make a tape out of this) < 1550877636 587445 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1550877887 889419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-144.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1550878074 394694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aheui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=60033&oldid=60031 5* 03Puzzlet Chung 5* (+13) 10/* External resources */ < 1550878081 132476 :Camto!462d17f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.45.23.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1550878537 326200 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas NICK :Remavas[AFK] < 1550878751 126270 :Camto!462d17f0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.45.23.240 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds