< 1548979680 957412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried rotating it 4 times in 24 hours hth < 1548979999 358611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: It's just https://twitter.com/fungot < 1548979999 566221 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he fnord unable, and in any event the government were more often the man, and understandably, brexit. < 1548980004 574589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last tweet from 2012. < 1548980322 19177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1548980408 622112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1548980427 955562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error while checkign syntax automatically: (irony-server-error "irony-server is broken! Cannot open load file: No such file or directory, lisp-mnt") < 1548980440 954292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing ever works right if you don't keep using it. :/ < 1548982390 580420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. Now there are no logs. :/ < 1548982443 175282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My deploy.sh is based on building at home and rsync'ing the binaries to the server. Turns out there's too much version shift between the systems now for that to work: < 1548982450 746289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/esowiki/esologs: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.28' not found (required by /home/esowiki/esologs) < 1548982501 120702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I found this out by trying to restart the server component, so *collecting* logs should keep working. < 1548982520 432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can just build it on the server it needs to go to then. < 1548982575 50966 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-13-105.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1548982609 505380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it doesn't have any of the necessary dependencies for building things.) < 1548984114 3486 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htaoknsxqajukwfa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1548985117 468598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and of course the GCC 6.x available on the server's Debian version is too old to support ... < 1548985812 467362 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bknqqhhxzzlvqpqd PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be < 1548989601 120090 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1548989627 712005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it is. < 1548989645 102022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also managed to work around it by producing a statically linked binary. < 1548989667 344911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the usual "Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" warnings, but seems like it was good enough. < 1548989801 133587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe by the next time this becomes an issue, buster has become the new stable. < 1548989924 319458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, there's no , so...) < 1548991260 745620 :dauie_!~dauie@64.62.224.29 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1548992299 906468 :salpynx!794954f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1548998097 520346 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1548999226 847008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59662&oldid=59497 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2398) 10answering my own question < 1549000169 245987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : > 1549000315 510976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:EsoScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59663 5* 03Cortex 5* (+130) 10Created page with "== ... == This is literally just MediaWiki syntax. ~~~~" < 1549002380 964027 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@mobile-166-176-186-12.mycingular.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549002683 949638 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@mobile-166-176-186-12.mycingular.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1549002695 514885 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59664&oldid=59662 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+534) 10/* Computational class / -completeness */ < 1549008887 110060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1549011640 908682 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1549011671 168227 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1549011896 800165 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1549012197 276903 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549012826 465385 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jxmpyediyrlabnej QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1549012888 106026 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-tkjeugmbuermrpam JOIN :#esoteric < 1549013936 944285 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1549016520 274623 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549016530 441902 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you trying to install something to the server that runs HackEso? < 1549019351 403895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to update the bit that runs esolangs.org/logs, though it's the same server, sure. < 1549019555 978683 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549019565 685338 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it at least doesn't have to run inside the hackeso sandbox < 1549019608 255412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Although that does share userland with... well, the intermediate layer of sandboxing. < 1549019778 417774 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, a large part of the file system is shared read only < 1549019848 176282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso really goes at least three levels deep -- there's the (I think KVM-based) Bytemark VPS, which runs a systemd-nspawn namespace-container-style "chroot on steroids" thing, which then has HackEso's UML kernel. < 1549019904 339995 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1549019912 701870 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's why it said < 1549019931 799675 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat /proc/cpuinfo < 1549019932 842881 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :processor : 0 \ vendor_id : User Mode Linux \ model name : UML \ mode : skas \ host : Linux dysnomia.zem.fi 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 \ bogomips : 5134.74 < 1549019941 585626 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even tell what instruction set it supports anywhere < 1549019961 670919 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, you can still find that out the intel way < 1549019967 898025 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just funny how sparse that cpuinfo is < 1549019977 25652 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean instruction set extensions < 1549019985 79413 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does say x86_64 as the base cpu arch < 1549020045 969638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. The middle level shares a kernel with the top level, while the bottom level shares the userland. Although those are both just Debian stable installations, so they're more or less identical. < 1549020141 623552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/shares the userland/& with the middle level/ < 1549020162 11616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also why it says "dysnomia.zem.fi" -- that's the hostname in the container, though it has no presence in the public DNS since it's not directly reachable. The VPS itself is called something else. < 1549020172 433505 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the top level also running on a virtual machine by a hosting provider? < 1549020176 144579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1549020184 741347 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like four level deep at leat < 1549020184 952508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top level from my perspective, I guess. < 1549020204 296493 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what level does the chat log script and chat http server run? < 1549020216 128564 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the irc client < 1549020237 3388 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fetch HTTP client < 1549020302 501841 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the network of the middle layer already restricted by namespaces, with holes only to tunnel the irc connection, the http interface for the version control contents, and fetch? < 1549020322 242529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "esobot" (the IRC client and log-writer) and "esologs" (the esolangs.org/logs web server) binaries both run on the top level together with MediaWiki, though not for any particular reason. < 1549020349 758192 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549020353 322214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso's own machinery (so multibot, hackbot, the `fetch command and so) run on the middle one, and the `commands on the bottom one. < 1549020389 616172 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549020470 393428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the container networking is namespaced. Outgoing, it allows TCP to ports 80, 443 and 6665 to any host (for `fetch and the IRC connection) and UDP 53 to the VPS provider's DNS servers. < 1549020483 590299 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1549020493 182107 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not tunneled, those are just passed through < 1549020507 726438 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were connected to an external fetch server < 1549020530 634708 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an external http server for the version control interface < 1549020557 178401 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the hg repository lives in the middle level? < 1549020684 354700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a virtual ethernet interface that's a point-to-point link between interfaces 'host0' in the container, and 've-dysnomia' in the top level, and there's iptables NAT rules. So not really tunneled, no. < 1549020718 276686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no networking out of the UML, but historically on HackEgo (when it was still working) that was based on a tunnel to a proxy server. < 1549020789 240114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, the hg repository is on the middle level (and mounted read-only to the bottom), although the filesystem hierarchy of the middle level is accessible from the top. < 1549020804 606631 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so you can back it up from the top > 1549020813 25358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072/9 of an esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59665&oldid=59526 5* 03Cortex 5* (+1) 10 < 1549020820 959943 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much of this was inherited from hackego? < 1549020860 549586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think I might have the hgweb server running on the top level directly, though that's also for no special reason. < 1549020941 282187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo was broadly similar, but in place of the container setup it just had a conventional chroot. < 1549020960 171455 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1549021016 201083 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pcb < 1549021017 122999 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pcb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1549021245 404802 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549021347 320126 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1549021385 673603 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1549021737 905185 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei < 1549021738 529884 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-02-01 11:48:58.062828658 +0000 UTC February 1 Friday 2019-W05-5 < 1549024443 111861 :PaddyF!~PaddyF@p200300DEF718134188B366B603712D54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1549026613 409182 :PaddyF!~PaddyF@p200300DEF718134188B366B603712D54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART #esoteric :"bbl" < 1549028049 464397 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host86-172-212-236.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1549028381 714290 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvsvssoaymzktftf JOIN :#esoteric < 1549029807 403709 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1549030050 776498 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549030433 663576 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1549030462 246940 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1549032599 628875 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1549033336 286677 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? viking < 1549033337 341332 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :viking? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1549034407 820865 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549034582 954257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1549035659 549440 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1549037742 892290 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 604 seconds < 1549038924 886476 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1549043122 906522 :dre!~andre@ip56-53-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1549043166 119452 :dre!~andre@ip56-53-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1549046545 758126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1549046624 567024 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international cloning factory for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1549047029 993013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shame other languages don't really have a Hoogle/Hayoo-like thing, at least as far as I know. Maybe it wouldn't work so well, but in Go I'm not so familiar with the standard(/quasistandard) libs and could easily look up some functions by type signature. < 1549047090 577858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much "deployment" do we really do? < 1549047274 987448 :orin!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well fungot is arguably a "deployed" befunge progam < 1549047275 315560 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: we are in the process of what i suppose the minister can, preferably, the termination, of his now even more counterproductive fiscal rule, but < 1549047306 733741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1549047711 485180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not much. Back when the cloud at cost system was still running, I was considering using it as a staging server for MediaWiki upgrades. < 1549047958 973768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that, I have a homegrown configuration pusher I use for all my systems (a git repo for configs, plus a bunch of Python to SSH in, verify that the live file matches the last-pushed revision and replace that with the latest) that also takes care of updating all the config files on both the top and middle levels. It's got a special case to use machinectl/nsenter to inject itself into the < 1549047964 986033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :container, so the container doesn't need to be SSH-reachable. < 1549047981 674801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The mounts are visible outside, but the UID/GID lookup is easier inside the container.) < 1549048076 501104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically runs "ssh ... sudo [nsenter ...] python3 -" and feeds in a program that contains both the config file payload and the logic to insert it in place. < 1549048211 807503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For code changes to esologs/esobot, there's just a shell script to do "bazel build -c opt //esologs //esobot" + rsync to put the binaries and the static files (.css, .js) in the right place. Didn't feel right putting those in the config pusher. < 1549048284 742931 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1549048288 893588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's about it. I'm always a little bit nervous when it comes time to update MediaWiki (it probably actually is way past time) because even though it's backed up, I haven't really ran any disaster recovery tests, and don't have a test environment to try on. < 1549048370 219684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for the esologs/esobot binaries I can run them locally. There's actually a dozen lines of code in the esologs web server that if it's built without NDEBUG, it can serve the CSS/JS files for local testing. Normally that's done by nginx and it answers only for the dynamic parts. < 1549048948 310534 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin: yeah < 1549049023 397967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1549049243 899334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: has IOCCC ended, since you removed it from the topic? < 1549049728 659396 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn < 1549049731 930475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it hasn't ended < 1549049732 102376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should ask doctor rakethorn why he keeps not wearing shirts - although my obvious guess is that he's got orders to try to seduce agatha, but he could be a bit more subtle about it especially if he wants others not to interfere < 1549049741 675046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu TOPIC #esoteric :2019 IOCCC ends March 15th -- http://www.ioccc.org/2019/rules.txt | Welcome to the international cloning factory for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1549049748 24338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1549049759 950650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549049759 994188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1549049760 33640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1549050512 136118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "guess", i think his conversation with wooster pretty much implied it. < 1549050947 808503 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? liver < 1549050948 878765 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :liver? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1549050949 687023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? livery < 1549050950 846515 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :livery? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1549051043 541570 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1549052845 771188 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1549053263 675230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Eodermdrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59666&oldid=59664 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+416) 10Not that simple < 1549054656 808479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1549054773 877172 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart JOIN :#esoteric < 1549054937 242388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1549054937 331027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc108439-cowc8-2-0-cust785.14-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1549054937 331072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1549055003 325071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1549055039 558833 :LKoen!~LKoen@176-151-31-205.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1549055315 576453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: kernel update < 1549055366 351789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1549055411 281855 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1549055877 930395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1549055879 653201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 012050Z 09009KT CAVOK M04/M10 Q1013 RMK WIND 670FT 12009KT < 1549056721 810544 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1549057049 788985 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart JOIN :#esoteric < 1549057639 776117 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1549057887 422009 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1549057887 504997 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1549058368 107579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1549058368 614901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 012150Z AUTO 36007KT 320V030 5000 -RASN BKN010 OVC029 02/01 Q0995 < 1549058371 803695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wet. < 1549058503 90197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KOAK < 1549058503 673367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 012153Z 14016KT 10SM SCT046 BKN055 OVC100 15/09 A2978 RMK AO2 RAB2058E19 SLP084 P0000 T01500089 < 1549058638 51859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I can't claim much better on that :P < 1549058645 324862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wong wrindow < 1549060019 636780 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-14-47.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1549060791 984377 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i was cool enough to be able to read metar < 1549060951 310722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of these numbers means 'fucking cold' < 1549061010 397401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temperature (in celsius) is the first half of the M04/M10, 02/01, 15/09 pair. < 1549061061 912541 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 2°C at EGLL and 15°C at KOAK? < 1549061082 397126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And -4°C at ENVA. < 1549061090 689551 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, M = minus < 1549061095 273347 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1549061105 874378 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the second number? < 1549061116 445985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the dew point. < 1549061125 210586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's M00/M00, that's called "cow temperatures". < 1549061131 788304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's how a cow goes. < 1549061148 29068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not official METAR jargon.) < 1549061153 48518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or swims, in that case < 1549061189 808804 :LKoen!~LKoen@crh60-h01-176-151-31-205.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1549061196 355670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, more like gets stuck in ice, i guess < 1549061218 510965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 012153Z part is a partial timestamp in DDHHMMZ format, so the report was 21:53 UTC on the 1st day of some unspecified month. < 1549061314 335356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 14016KT is wind direction 140°, 16 knots. Sometimes it has extra stuff, like "...10G20KT" is 10 knots, gusts of 20, or "VRB" in place of a direction. < 1549061528 324491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :10SM and 5000 are visibilities, in statute miles and metres respectively. SCT046, BKN055 OVC100 are cloud covers (scattered, broken, overcast) with heights in 100s of feet. A2987 and Q0995 are the air pressure in some units (mmHg and hPa?), and that's pretty much all I remember. < 1549061530 862350 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart JOIN :#esoteric < 1549061560 308345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and precipitation is various codes, so -RASN is weak (-) rain (RA) and snow (SN). < 1549061633 70867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've only seen DZ, RA, SN, GR, BR, FG and HZ (drizzle, rain, snow, hail, mist, fog, haze), but there's a lot more. < 1549061787 946932 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcehbybvusuxld.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1549062070 84816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about FU < 1549062083 685819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely had that one here tdnh < 1549062343 922643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoke, apparently. Haven't seen that here. < 1549062347 524489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also no code for drones. < 1549062478 758560 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have to add one soon < 1549062504 408727 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else would UK airports report the condition at the runway accurately... < 1549062523 56863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGPH < 1549062523 615491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGPH 012250Z VRB02KT 9999 FEW022 BKN038 01/00 Q1002 < 1549062538 245769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even freezing < 1549062597 518730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the "PH" there mean Phantom_Hoover? Is it your own airport? < 1549062603 787058 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1549062615 636185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally yes < 1549062618 721058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's edinburgh airport < 1549062932 372638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao EGPH < 1549062933 141722 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edinburgh (EDI, EGPH) < 1549063006 942575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually live in edinburgh any more but i don't know the icao for glasgow airport < 1549063016 671226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... anywhere except edinburgh really < 1549063017 913399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`airport glasgow < 1549063018 642746 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glasgow (GLA, EGPF) \ Wokal Field Glasgow International Airport (GGW, KGGW) \ Glasgow Railway Station (?, ?) \ Glasgow Buchanan Bus Station (?, ?) \ Glasgow City Heliport (?, EGEG) \ Glasgow Industrial (?, 07MT) < 1549063024 737255 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :khaf and ksfo i suppose < 1549063028 269629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very close, lexicographically. < 1549063035 345277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar egeg < 1549063035 980211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1549063040 221714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1549063045 957546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar egpf < 1549063046 515249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGPF 012250Z AUTO 28007KT 9999 NCD 01/M03 Q1004 < 1549063083 369881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLC < 1549063083 763356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLC 012250Z AUTO 34005KT 280V010 8000 -RA SCT010 BKN018 OVC024 02/01 Q0995 < 1549063096 202088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flew from that place the other day for the first time. < 1549063104 789920 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart JOIN :#esoteric < 1549063112 169719 :leonheart!~leonheart@gateway/tor-sasl/leonheart QUIT :Client Quit < 1549063141 3980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao eglc < 1549063141 755214 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :City (LCY, EGLC) < 1549063152 998879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just city lol < 1549063328 367164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch share/airports.dat https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jpatokal/openflights/master/data/airports-extended.dat < 1549063329 613338 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2019-02-01 23:22:09 URL:https://raw.githubusercontent.com/jpatokal/openflights/master/data/airports-extended.dat [1632638/1632638] -> "share/airports.dat" [1] < 1549063334 267440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao eglc < 1549063335 65871 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :London City Airport (LCY, EGLC) < 1549063338 636698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bette. < 1549063344 835676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...r. < 1549063374 178852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(airports-extended.dat is the one with also train stations and ferry terminals, so maybe the plain airports.dat would've been better.) < 1549064305 936521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1549064496 271048 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1549064578 433046 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1549064582 394420 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao ksfo < 1549064583 259949 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco International Airport (SFO, KSFO) < 1549064608 473435 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa gets the best icao codes cause we're the best < 1549064621 867421 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also why our phone country code is 1 < 1549064637 368922 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1549064681 429235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada has the same deal when it comes to ICAO codes, it's just XXX <-> CXXX. < 1549064720 685085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And aren't they in the +1 area too? < 1549064723 843136 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1549064728 168385 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their 3 letter codes are gibberish < 1549064730 569019 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYZ, give me a break < 1549064906 938073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.127.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1549064942 252734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao CYYZ < 1549064943 271548 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lester B. Pearson International Airport (YYZ, CYYZ) < 1549064973 610438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that should print the city as well. < 1549064984 646894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's not a substring of the airport name, say. < 1549065005 279413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep CYYZ share/airports.dat < 1549065007 34421 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :193,"Lester B. Pearson International Airport","Toronto","Canada","YYZ","CYYZ",43.6772003174,-79.63059997559999,569,-5,"A","America/Toronto","airport","OurAirports" < 1549065083 543862 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has train stations too? how does that work? < 1549065113 670880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just what they said on the download page. < 1549065136 696973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep Euston.Railway share/airports.dat < 1549065137 434708 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :7393,"London Euston Railway Station","London","United Kingdom",\N,\N,51.5284,-0.1331,0,0,"U","Europe/London","station","User" < 1549065156 320558 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nulls (with the \N CSV encoding) on the ICAO and IATA columns, I guess. < 1549065196 432130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think it has more than a small fraction of railway stations.) < 1549065203 500829 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some US train stations have codes < 1549065207 685087 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao kzfv < 1549065208 521442 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1549065216 112744 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata zfv < 1549065216 840298 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philadelphia 30th St Station (ZFV, ?) < 1549065247 531002 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata zep < 1549065248 277748 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1549065280 235962 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata zyp < 1549065281 48082 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penn Station (ZYP, ?) < 1549065298 583692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`iata LON < 1549065299 317925 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Airports (LON, ?) < 1549065304 824973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best name. < 1549065328 978867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet alleges that there's actually an ICAO code ("EGGO") for the London Metropolitan Area. < 1549065395 667166 :kmc!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some airlines in the US will sell you a ticket which includes a rail connection