< 1544400002 262050 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.6+deb1ubuntu0.1 - http://znc.in < 1544400021 751543 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544400923 474257 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544400963 267373 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544401050 417439 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1544402041 877173 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1544402341 984996 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a thing which has several possible "states" < 1544402366 724890 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :these states are finite and not even that many < 1544402374 35675 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :66bits are enough to encode all of them < 1544402375 785387 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1544402391 372755 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :state 1 feels less random than state 138924533525526 < 1544402434 901216 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i quantify this randomness? < 1544402578 364601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one method is by seeing how likely each state is < 1544402592 911260 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all equally likely < 1544402609 905179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I don't see any reason why state 1 would be less random than state 138924533525526 < 1544402622 546325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason we perceive 1 as being less random is that's a more commonly used number in general < 1544402622 810984 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :state 0 is special and we like it a lot for some reason < 1544402665 511877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :an easy way to measure this thing would be to take the distance of each state from state 0 < 1544402667 628301 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1544402686 777038 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some states that are as far as possible from state 0, which are not very random at all < 1544402743 199406 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can describe those states in a very compact way < 1544402752 827201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the start of a list of all integers, ordered by how frequently they appear in the Google Books corpus: 1 2 3 4 5 6 10 8 7 9 20 12 15 11 14 0 30 13 16 18 25 17 19 24 100 21 22 50 23 40 28 26 27 29 31 60 < 1544402769 415173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I'm not sure if negative integers are included, the - might be parsed as a punctuation mark < 1544402779 334524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps it's the start of a list of all /nonnegative/ integers with that ordering < 1544402779 845346 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1544402805 73353 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know how to solve a rubik's cube? < 1544402810 394012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess if you're treating state 0 as special, then the specialness of other states would be based on how they related to state 0 < 1544402819 482963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: I know one algorithm for it, and the general principles behind many others < 1544402830 30877 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's correct, the specialness is in relation to state 0 < 1544402851 203151 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is about a Rubik's Cube, I recommend reading up on the Thistlethwaite algorithm, it seems relevant here < 1544402860 760882 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1544402874 532614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, it categorises states by what /sort/ of moves are required to go between them and state 0 < 1544402877 468030 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1544402899 220434 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i don't think it's a very good measure < 1544402925 638980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this list of integers ordered by frequency cuts off at frequency 40, containing such integers as 19111919 and 16841721 < 1544402939 791010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 245164 integers that appear at least 40 times in the corpus < 1544402959 960229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 83000000000 too < 1544402974 262508 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's this state that's called a superflip < 1544402994 110325 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, 395000000000000 has a full 46 occurrences! < 1544402997 712345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically all the corners are solved, and all the edges are in the right position but flipped < 1544402997 891440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like art in its own way < 1544403012 645967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by some metrics, it's the furthest you can get from the starting state < 1544403029 299979 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it takes 20 moves < 1544403038 871279 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first case that was proved to require 20 moves < 1544403046 69429 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 moves is the diameter of the graph < 1544403061 178172 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't go farther than that from the solved state < 1544403073 973847 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's absolutely trivial and totally not random < 1544403098 531547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two metrics, in one of them the furthest-known position is apparently unique (as in, the only known position), in the other, there are lots of ties < 1544403114 296837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both of them have either superflip or a variant of it as one of the furthest-known positions < 1544403115 84211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unique < 1544403120 62173 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of ties < 1544403259 92249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not unique in half-turn metric, then it must be quarter-turn metric which has the believed-unique maximal-moves pattern < 1544403265 346136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which IIRC is superflip with some of the centres swaped) < 1544403266 808118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swapped < 1544403358 502870 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ruwix.com/pics/rubiks-cube/patterns/six-spots.svg things like this have 0 solved pieces, 0 pieces with the right orientation, and yet are absolutely trivial and they don't feel random < 1544403372 669999 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :thistlethwaite would vomit by only looking at it < 1544403437 243529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to categorise by symmetries, in that case < 1544403456 162026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patterns like that are easy because their symmetries make it easier to spot a solution < 1544403475 999207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, isn't that pattern solvable with only slice moves? that's the exact sort of rule that thistlethwaite-like algorithms are good at picking up on < 1544403510 801636 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1544403516 570328 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like < 1544403518 662733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first step in the Thistlethwaite algorithm is to orient the corners < 1544403527 358712 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you even know what you're talking about < 1544403533 289732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the corners in that pattern are clearly correctly oriented, if all in the wrong position < 1544403559 977529 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them is correctly oriented, and the first step in th is not to orient corners < 1544403591 943254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: the aim in Thistlethwaite, as written, is to get into a position from which you can ban moves on two opposite faces < 1544403595 617685 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :corner orientation is in < 1544403603 689569 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1544403605 910285 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't < 1544403620 554600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, ban quarter-moves on two opposite faces < 1544403661 517966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having trouble remembering what the restrictions are for each of the four phases < 1544403663 926495 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go from to to to to solved < 1544403678 481737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the second step that locks the orientation of the corners, right < 1544403687 973169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because whatever face of the corner is on U/D is stuck there < 1544403734 18308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you can imagine a Thistlethwaite-like algorithm which uses different move sets < 1544403755 474845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. one in which one of the sets allows the three slice moves (both quarter-turn and half-turn), but not any individual face moves < 1544403786 390045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pattern you linked belongs (I think) to that set, which is a notable property of it, even if it doesn't neatly fall into any of the "normal" Thistlethwaite sets < 1544404523 221345 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll correct myself, the six-dots case only has 8 flipped edges < 1544404569 512928 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and depending on how you look at it, the first step in th is 4 moves and the second one is 4 moves and the last 2 are skipped < 1544404609 263039 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well depending on how you look at it, you get to distribute the same 8 moves over the 4 steps < 1544404623 154669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, even if I have the details wrong (and I probably do), six-spot is the sort of pattern that you'd expect to be solvable with only a subset of the legal moves < 1544404647 153657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :currentliy featured question on StackOverflow asks how to do loops in metafont/ancient-APL style https://stackoverflow.com/q/53689001/ < 1544404665 763885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a rubik's cube question? < 1544404676 190649 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's by izabera < 1544404676 440216 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't necessarily think that that is a good way to estimate what i want < 1544404683 990337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: that doesn't look featured to me < 1544404708 38828 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"66 bits are enough to encode all of them" => hmm, didn't it fit in 65 5bits? < 1544404749 454640 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little less than ~65.23 bits < 1544404755 185003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: => wow, that's an interesting frequency list < 1544404787 263095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I thought it was interesting too < 1544404819 647748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this sequence is not on OEIS yet < 1544404844 798120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and we'd probably want an up-to-date version of the corpus before adding it, mine's a bit old) < 1544404852 476505 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that count occurrences with or without multiplicity throughout books? < 1544404859 246113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also one of the longest inherently finite sequences I've seen < 1544404862 306001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: with multiplicity < 1544404884 120990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a number that's used once in 40 books and a number that's used 40 times in a single book will both have a frequency of 40 < 1544404920 610334 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many times does 244823040 appear? < 1544404937 465718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Was your general monad ? operator delimited by function? < 1544404988 2315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it needs some definition of what scope it runs over; Rust's definition is "a function, or a block marked 'catch'" which seems reasonable; having it apply to a single block is also reasonable I think < 1544405009 874038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that makes {}/; not associative, right? < 1544405011 383205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: less than 40 < 1544405014 513030 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this question is because a friend of mine wanted to come up with some position that was considered "hard" in any possible method < 1544405050 256883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's OK for {} to not be associative, I think; they aren't in Rust anyway because of lifetimes < 1544405056 62774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Rust doesn't care about that < 1544405068 577814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure they inherently need to be associative in other languages either < 1544405071 446953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, like C++. < 1544405096 294282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Haskell requires do { do { a; b }; c } = do { a; do { b; c } } < 1544405153 678854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one in which one of the sets allows the three slice moves" => that would be very small and so almost useless < 1544405156 746906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1544405168 675629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's not that small if you allow quarter turns < 1544405186 166013 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, it's not featured. it's hot. < 1544405251 92124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: here's a featured challenge on PPCG at the moment: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/105127/fastest-mini-flak-quine < 1544405263 529800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will end up having to be featured three times, there was a 1100 rep bounty on it < 1544405268 650229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which takes a while to hand out…) < 1544405310 994872 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of the longest inherently finite sequences I've seen" => no way. there are interesting mathematically defined sequences that go to at least tetration sized numbers, perhaps more. most of them are more interesting as sets than as sequences, but those are still often put into OEIS. < 1544405467 21486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I haven't seen them < 1544405468 634604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re 1100 rep bounty, I used to think such couldn't be awarded at all, at least by a single user, because SE docs "https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/bounty" say "Additionally, if you offer multiple bounties on the same question, the minimum spend doubles with each subsequent bounty" < 1544405476 992315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doubling caps at 500 < 1544405486 801013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone else is awarding the spare 100 to reach a number that isn't divisible by 500 < 1544405493 80094 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "seen" in what sense? they wouldn't be listed explicitly on your screen obviously < 1544405501 47792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition < 1544405501 976914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I know < 1544405520 606553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's finite and growing < 1544405534 166023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any day, someone could publish a book that contains the fourtieth copy of a brand new number :-D < 1544405587 486328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course, the original source material has to go beyond the things with 40 copies into things with 39 copies, and so on down to 1; it's just that the list I have handy stops there) < 1544405614 140771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Baez probably knows more about this, but I think there's some small congruance class, one of 6k+1, 6k-1, 4k+1, 4k-1, such that most small primes fall into one, but eventually the complementary class takes over at some very large threshold, and of course around that it switches a lot < 1544405663 222532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I know about that too (4n-1 vs. 4n+1 is the best known) < 1544405668 908875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't really define a finite sequence < 1544405684 423138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it swaps back at some point < 1544405705 668899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it defines a large /number/, but that's different < 1544405712 443804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could call the digits of that number a sequence < 1544405777 597129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it probably swaps out at many points, so the set of numbers n such there are more primes less than n in that congruence class would be a set, not just a number < 1544405799 785051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of natural numbers, say < 1544405808 798932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no < 1544405810 132083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the interesting number is the lowest element of that set, which is still quite large < 1544405811 858122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's stupid < 1544405818 597014 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1544405822 270036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant my own definition < 1544405836 765766 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, yes, that's probably not one of the more interesting large finite sequences < 1544405917 648527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's not that big, 26833 < 1544405981 968404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :big enough that it'd take a while to discover without the help of computers, though! < 1544406273 609234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a related problem where it's much larger < 1544406320 396950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it was a different sequence then < 1544406339 61771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, but isn't the largest such number much bigger? < 1544406347 727010 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the largest such number that's really interesting, not the smallest one, < 1544406360 722156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there can be "random" anomalies around small primes < 1544406400 659141 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544406441 590485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are infinitely many such numbers, so there isn't a largest < 1544406573 492697 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the largest number outside that set then < 1544406614 890880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are infinitely many of those, too < 1544406805 231642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal_solutions_for_Rubik%27s_Cube says the number of states with the maximal number of turns for the quater-turn metric is not known, but only very few such positions are known. < 1544406826 5992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not surprising, but I don't really pay attention to the quater-turn metric < 1544406843 347075 :hexfive!~hexfive@50-46-223-124.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544406946 508240 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised back in 2010 when the 20 move upper bound proof for the face turn metric was announced, on how early it's been found < 1544407283 371209 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-31.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1544408661 223825 :tng!~tng@2a03:8600:1001:1014::100c JOIN :#esoteric < 1544409016 551986 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : > 1544409486 620701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58648&oldid=33787 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+149) 10/* Name */ new section > 1544409667 63172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58649&oldid=58648 5* 03Ais523 5* (+432) 10/* Name */ some history > 1544409785 562614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58650&oldid=58649 5* 03Ais523 5* (+118) 10OK, so now the spambot's made me visit IMDB to verify the details < 1544411326 56814 :tng!~tng@2a03:8600:1001:1014::100c QUIT :Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com < 1544411902 263984 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1544412073 763985 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@77.28.221.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544412074 190519 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@77.28.221.38 QUIT :Changing host < 1544412074 190568 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544414277 539104 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjgozbxcgayrrgxp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1544414400 677137 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1544414546 728900 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544414725 825652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1544415845 394408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any web browser have a "save form" command? < 1544416136 631111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any proposal for a PNG chunk for XPM palettes? < 1544418600 689650 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1544421961 328628 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544423860 278858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote a specification for using XPM colours in PNG. This allows you to define the preferred mono or grey representation of a colour picture, as well as to do such things as match text colours and background colours of a document. < 1544425562 278779 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1544427753 401140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58651&oldid=58001 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1186) 10/* The Waterfall Model */ Hello, world! < 1544428506 827613 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1544428781 892406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Waterfall Model14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58652&oldid=58558 5* 03Ais523 5* (+105) 10/* External resources */ link Ratiofall < 1544429506 206687 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544429522 448270 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544432360 923577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-101.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1544432386 230521 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I could be wrong, but I sort of have the impression that graphic designers are very different from us, and they don't want that kind of tool < 1544432400 657467 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the ones that design game graphics < 1544432459 225939 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-101.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not many people use grayscale graphics on displays anymore, it's mostly used in print < 1544433642 635330 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544433677 872372 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544434116 940514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-101.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1544434457 330064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.218.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544436373 870707 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pyanthfpbntxktub JOIN :#esoteric < 1544439245 95584 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544439258 947900 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544441117 391367 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544441155 252322 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544441419 332261 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544441434 411023 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544441452 707740 :hexfive!~hexfive@50-46-223-124.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1544441518 735446 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544441550 248034 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544442368 752230 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544442381 896606 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544442403 299815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544442490 291781 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re primes mod 4, let's see in https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0408319 < 1544442556 891205 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however, it also says that I was wrong, the sequence is infinite < 1544443265 808473 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1544443374 753059 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544443400 313834 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article probably has the plots were made by Mathematica, because it uses the Mathematica font < 1544444229 860465 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nobel < 1544444231 50190 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1544444232 374346 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? noble < 1544444233 413701 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :noble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1544444290 764862 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slashlearn Nobel//"Nobel" is Norwegian for "noble", a title of honor awarded by kings. < 1544444315 110574 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there are people who call the nobel price "fields medal of chemistry/physics/..." < 1544444385 466319 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. but there are people who point out that there are at least three awards that are sometimes called the "Nobel prize of mathematics" < 1544444492 524533 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great for the mathematitians < 1544445038 640811 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should call more things Nobel prizes of their respective categories < 1544445061 600566 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "The Nobel prize of sheep shearing in Northumberland" < 1544445191 548374 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nobel prize of sports < 1544446056 845437 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-000-108.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1544446880 478048 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-081-122.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1544447461 342557 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the IOCCC judges award the Nobel prize of obfuscated programming < 1544447631 620399 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated C programming < 1544447668 87394 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, really, just the Nobel prize of C programming < 1544447678 665150 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1544447682 804428 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ducks, even < 1544447919 507525 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the contest to create the largest c++ error message better < 1544447974 260545 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the http://www.underhanded-c.org/ _ < 1544448501 726188 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcr0r9bp2uawp1.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1544448573 157242 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://tgceec.tumblr.com/ ? < 1544449529 433338 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1544450425 308687 :doesthiswork!~Adium@131.191.115.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544451221 848656 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHA apparently mailing list web archives aren't the only ones affected by overzelous "email address protection" filters: < 1544451253 313030 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/119594" is a vendor's page with specs of a camera they make, and it says "Photo burst: 3/[email protected], 5/[email protected] or 10/[email protected]" < 1544451272 982782 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1544451350 437307 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably automatically decodes it in client side if you allow javascript or something < 1544451355 308559 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try < 1544455234 906630 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1544455323 327330 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@79.125.196.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544455323 528908 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@79.125.196.66 QUIT :Changing host < 1544455323 528957 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1544455660 662739 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:995f:fb71:f9:7381:e4da:9c3e JOIN :#esoteric < 1544455918 712502 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1544458078 980191 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544458114 399148 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544458969 755864 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1544459839 772854 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544459852 423193 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544460447 304972 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1544460851 151055 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544460883 913701 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544461023 660844 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1544461296 342407 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544461311 783325 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544461534 304323 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1544462168 970310 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1544462218 106870 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544462252 871829 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544463259 624570 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544463273 860156 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544464044 806406 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1544464238 918409 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544465547 291253 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8E1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1544465955 895036 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544466734 755316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1544466740 501560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1544467005 355047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hurgusburgus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58653 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+3687) 10Created page with "'''Hurgusburgus''' is a programming language by [[User:BradensEsolangs|Braden]], to be very confusing. ==The basics of Hurgusburgus== Hurgusburgus is based on a [[queue]]. A p..." > 1544467033 772018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BradensEsolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58654&oldid=58644 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+43) 10 < 1544467142 868731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1544467502 525726 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric > 1544467571 708399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58655&oldid=57519 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (-11) 10Hmmm, brain is not a swear word < 1544467647 304935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1544467884 953919 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58656&oldid=58566 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+19) 10/* H */ > 1544468277 398998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Baidicoot 5* 10New user account < 1544468338 908573 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1544468766 276813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1544468927 555658 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58657&oldid=58635 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+253) 10/* Introductions */ > 1544471211 637366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Butng14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58658 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+1317) 10Created page with "== What is Butng? == Butng was originally created by [User:Baidicoot|Baidicoot] as an extension of lambda calculus. However, it has since grown, and, with the help of [User:Go..." > 1544471989 389782 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Butng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58659&oldid=58658 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+820) 10 > 1544472505 347590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brain-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58660&oldid=58536 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+4) 10 > 1544472689 791517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58661&oldid=58606 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+47) 10/* Implementations */ > 1544473297 137625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Butng14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58662&oldid=58659 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+10) 10/* Placeholder Law */ > 1544473337 312206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Butng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58663&oldid=58662 5* 03Baidicoot 5* (+14) 10 < 1544473768 2312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcr0r9bp2uawp1.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1544474536 745924 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELO < 1544474545 988120 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me design a language < 1544474678 243270 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.218.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1544474881 393776 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 < 1544476076 35556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? > 1544476196 169097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Butng14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58664&oldid=58663 5* 03Zzo38 5* (-14) 10User links weren't working; the user pages still do not exist yet < 1544476216 909860 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that is the next step above assembler < 1544476233 910218 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a real simple compiler < 1544476245 792317 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking forth-like < 1544476298 935243 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with functions, stackframes, and "backwards compatibility" with machine code in terms of data/text mixins < 1544476921 573344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: by `"backwards compatibility" with machine code", you mean a well-defined ABI? < 1544476941 378046 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a foreign call interface or both? < 1544476958 814509 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a trivial one < 1544476964 474050 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline machine code < 1544477013 270733 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1544477015 682386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1544477017 729332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that too < 1544477055 951301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: and what platform/architecture does the compiler compile to? < 1544477135 281742 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 < 1544477181 689988 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am willing to ignore segmentation and consider that everything is bound to the CS segment < 1544477262 269222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be capable of making DOS programs? < 1544477264 909829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: the original 8086? 16 bit mode? < 1544477271 600668 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, COM programs yeah < 1544477298 341846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. COM already sets the code and data segments same automatically, so you do not have to do that. < 1544477327 435587 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what I meant is I don't have to design the language around far pointers and the like < 1544477331 982806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all four of the original 8086 segment registers in fact < 1544477408 299124 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful because 8086 instructions implicitly refer to all four in some cases < 1544477425 745157 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you stick to a single segment, then you never have to add segment overrides < 1544477768 845801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: and what do you want the compiler to run on? < 1544477778 577746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and implemented in? < 1544477789 146572 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 < 1544477790 918068 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :8086 < 1544477945 886311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: there are some small forth native compilers for 8086, colorforth being one of the more infamous ones, you could look at those. < 1544477959 174340 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though those are partly implemented in themselves, rather than raw 8086 < 1544478164 683508 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I need keywords < 1544478259 210526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is possibility to have keywords but that aren't reserved words. < 1544478306 410504 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I mean symbolic keywords vs alphanumeric keywords < 1544478322 143639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1544478335 220112 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :"?" vs "if" < 1544478375 337018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, I know now how you mean < 1544478380 526850 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: if you have a stropping system, it makes it easier to have keywords < 1544478395 804297 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what system < 1544478423 654252 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: like if all keywords start with a particualr symbol < 1544478431 771603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requiring apostrophes around all keywords < 1544478463 307661 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-212-11-99.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in fortran, less than is .lt. < 1544478491 867701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also do it other way around, or require a prefix symbol for nonkeywords like LLVM does, or do like SQL does that you can optionally put quotation marks around a name if you want to make it to be treated as not a keyword) < 1544478575 172834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: or, it's not a forth-alike, but you can look at http://www.vttoth.com/CMS/index.php/projects/49 < 1544478587 214674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you'd implement it in 8086 directly, not in itself < 1544478611 426579 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have inline machine code, only machine code as separate functions, but it wouldn't be hard to add inline machine code with some register use convention < 1544478682 993785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, add an emit statement that lets you directly emit bytes of machine code, 16-bit addresses of global variables or functions, and 8-bit address of local variables relative to BP < 1544479674 581771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's some disagreement in how the libc fscanf function should handle inputs that require more than one byte of lookahead, which comes up in the %g, %x and %i formats. < 1544479888 838930 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean wrt the file pointer? < 1544479960 872221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: that too, but more whether the partial input is accepted (as in, fscanf fills the variable with the parsed value and continues on with the pattern, as opposed to rejecting the partial input by not modifying the variable and stopping the pattern right there) > 1544480708 537365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hurgusburgus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58665&oldid=58653 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+45) 10 > 1544480744 263735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58666&oldid=58661 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+0) 10/* Hurgusburgus */ Should be a zero, not a space. > 1544480846 503977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hurgusburgus14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58667&oldid=58665 5* 03BradensEsolangs 5* (+5) 10 < 1544481261 763417 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1544481687 313392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1544481722 454927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1544481975 955331 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcr0r9bp2uawp1.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1544482748 121406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58668&oldid=58655 5* 03Rdebath 5* (+11) 10Undo revision 58655 by [[Special:Contributions/BradensEsolangs|BradensEsolangs]] ([[User talk:BradensEsolangs|talk]]) (Someone else didn't get the joke.) < 1544483328 864525 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544484274 855892 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think I came up with a specification < 1544484504 475799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1544484560 745964 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric ::add :1{ @2 @1 + $: } < 1544484623 667626 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that doesn't work < 1544484627 189650 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric ::add :0{ @2 @1 + $: } < 1544484629 474987 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1544484649 542626 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric ::add :1{ @2 @1 + $=0 $: } < 1544484713 205364 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544484749 478903 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544484790 146146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: are you inventing a stack-based virtual machine? < 1544484831 368623 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, a mix of forth and assembler < 1544485341 479144 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-081-122.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1544485396 457386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-24-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mniip: that's not a specification < 1544485408 538373 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, correct, those were examples < 1544485428 455162 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not useful to you but helps me clear up my mind! < 1544485467 417970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1544485497 416305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1544485650 889196 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1544485666 276986 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1544485696 907283 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1544486193 794593 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-010-078.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric