< 1540685975 892314 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1540686732 16679 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1540687774 485007 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540687802 160712 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1540687808 780425 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1540687899 905617 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re utf8, that's what lifthrasiir said too, https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-10-25.html#lPb < 1540687937 656261 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strange thing that we have a somewhat sane system that tries to encode every character in a single encoding, and it's historically "an afterthought" < 1540688018 348884 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "yesing" could work, but "noing" would be a bad word to use, because we'd confuse it with "knowing" < 1540688072 117422 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re punctuation, I don't think you need special punctuation, since you already have "the following" or similar in the sentence. < 1540688103 952190 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :re relative URL, elinks has a special command for that, bound to the "G" key < 1540688110 619863 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not quite the same < 1540688115 896152 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a relative url < 1540688117 143137 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar < 1540688343 476136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that then, if it is not quite the same? < 1540688406 23734 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uh.. let me test < 1540688456 56723 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, timezone offset change for people in Europe < 1540688526 515482 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: pressing "G" opens an input box for entering an URL, but fills it with the current URL so you can start editing that < 1540689009 601570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is different, then. < 1540689084 239214 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's basically just pressing control-L right in firefox < 1540689197 622187 :wob_jonas!b03f187f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.127 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1540689199 979930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I made the extension code to treat the location bar in Firefox as relative, so it does like that too; if after pushing control-L next key will be a cursor movement key then you can edit the existing URL (whether or not this extension is in use). < 1540691151 469118 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540691407 366153 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1540692894 865303 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540693626 634079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540694587 889910 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540694597 11923 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@129.21.122.106 QUIT :Client Quit < 1540695567 365117 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1540695674 391256 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1540696179 456370 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmcbsozdopwbodlw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1540696531 541051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a function in GCC to specify that you don't care what value it is? < 1540696558 837204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an explicitly uninitalized value? < 1540696661 494130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, or it might generate no code if it is directly assigned to something, if doing so would be more optimal, but might also initialize it if it can make a code that initializes an entire block of values at once, then it might be better to not have to copy out the old value first, are some examples < 1540698149 420306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1540698158 920893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought about this and I don't know of something in GCC. < 1540698174 61944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust has std::mem::uninitialized() < 1540698193 934619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does something like ({ int x; x; }) working? Unfortunately I don't know. < 1540698223 676592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine not. < 1540698263 29843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1540698282 278424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked a question in #gcc about statement expressions. < 1540698299 751754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:20 If I have a statement expression that exits early (e.g. ({return 0;}) ), it looks like it gets assigned the type void. But I'd like it to behave more like it can have "any" type, since the value is never actually used. Can I do that? < 1540698304 118342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:21 (In particular I want a macro that can take a statement expression that either yields a value or exits early.) < 1540698349 105595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would make sense I think, but maybe you can put the other type after the return < 1540698382 17806 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540698386 236241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I want this to be convenient to write. < 1540698399 764407 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1540698414 657226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MACRO(..., { 5; }); MACRO(..., { break; }); < 1540698423 357736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1540698442 51875 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540698696 71932 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1540699233 704731 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1540701245 971473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, ALGOL 68 got this right. < 1540703029 944015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is ALGOL 68 doing? < 1540703049 51894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it actually got this right. < 1540703066 975575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has nonlocal goto, and labels can be turned into procedures that can be passed as arguments. < 1540703104 282420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such thing is sometimes helpful to have. < 1540703230 363614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can compile the code to support multiple entry points < 1540704410 163182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you know what a "macro" type thing that takes block arguments would look like? < 1540704418 597689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people use lambdas, but in general they don't support early exit. < 1540705256 58221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know < 1540706946 491276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written any Magic: the Puzzling where it is necessary to concede? < 1540706978 199353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially if more than once, or if multiple players need to concede, or if you have to take into account the possibility of an opponent conceding in a team game) < 1540708875 476562 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1540713875 913379 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540713887 487586 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540713931 948 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540714067 612688 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1540714129 623857 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1540714129 752533 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1540714241 266636 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540717364 56421 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540717402 73932 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.148.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1540717617 64182 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1540718188 325868 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540718226 537113 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540718531 764644 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540718543 546402 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540718741 471442 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1540719159 68252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WHY14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58100&oldid=58099 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+263) 10More WHYJIT improvements. < 1540719176 210115 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello > 1540719378 296431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WHY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58101&oldid=58100 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3) 10 < 1540719507 794076 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf5tit6s260cpd.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1540719922 469219 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540719959 60572 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540720506 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:Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540726744 893976 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540726844 160319 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540726880 348015 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540727989 997312 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akadabthleluwbxs JOIN :#esoteric < 1540728331 250021 :roofolala!~aroofo1@37.120.130.4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540728486 932573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1540728486 932644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1540728486 932669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1540728644 716265 :roofolala!~aroofo1@37.120.130.4 PART :#esoteric > 1540731302 278365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58102&oldid=57864 5* 03Weirdlang 5* (+4) 10 < 1540732683 683268 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1540732783 171072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WHY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58103&oldid=58101 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4) 10Fix compiler. < 1540733998 840876 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540734286 842372 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1540737368 761017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's up? < 1540737369 33142 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: probably not though. :) it was only in one fnord hacking session, iirc. i am all, that results in f being returned < 1540738610 766430 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1540738686 52706 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1540738995 85713 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1540739364 51755 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540739404 666129 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: back some time ago I asked some rules questions on how conceding in M:tG works. I think there might be some traces on this channel logs too, but I'm not sure. < 1540739462 878924 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: one particular case I was interested in is when you concede while an opponent is casting Hex, before he selected the targets, and since your permanents are removed when you concede, he won't have enough creatures to target. < 1540739475 631574 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question was what gets reverted as casting Hex is undone. < 1540739521 168622 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I decided that while the rules might define how this works, this is one of the few things I'd really want to houserule, to make conceding work saner. < 1540739527 633105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think conceding is not reverted but all of the other stuff is. < 1540739546 655302 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for practical reasons, but more for theoretical reasons that is, < 1540739561 491542 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the rules easier to understand from a rules engine point. < 1540739613 14009 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't something that's come up in practical games, especially as it turns out that the rules say that if you concede, then all your teammates concede too, so any of our 2v2 games end when someone concede. < 1540739625 379525 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Duels end too, obviously.) < 1540739676 870504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That only applies in two headed giant game. < 1540739687 305022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not apply to Team vs Team. < 1540739690 474838 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1540739697 369502 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1540739727 126861 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really bad at multiplayer rules < 1540739769 185419 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took us years before we started to even play Oblivion Ring correctly (when you leave the game, the permanent removed by an Oblivion Ring or similar isn't returned to play) < 1540739789 582994 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that O-Ring and similar permanents were played a lot in our decks < 1540739867 549426 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1540739896 479423 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540739947 380296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which team variant do you play? If you play Two Headed Giant then you are correct that it ends immediately if only one player concede, otherwise, it doesn't. < 1540740007 705837 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 QUIT :Client Quit < 1540740019 423530 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540740033 23562 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, you're right. that only applies to two-headed giant indeed < 1540740045 876117 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we don't play two-headed giant < 1540740080 497230 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we play vanilla four player two teams of two, with the default attack rules (in each attack phase you choose which player to attack), with a few houserules: < 1540740143 704188 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the players of a team sit opposite of each other, not in front; they should try not to communicate in secret during the game (this is loosely defined, since they can communicate in secret in advance); < 1540740193 177005 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the player that's first to play draws one card less at the start; we play matches of one games so no sideboard stuff (this isn't really a houserule); < 1540740200 975882 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... um, what else was it < 1540740211 717144 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are definitely the most important ones < 1540740273 165386 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely no two-headed giant rules, so every player gets 20 life with separate life totals, no commander rules < 1540740287 855333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is like Alternating Teams variant without rule 811.2b and 800.6 < 1540740326 594959 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alternating Teams"? since when was that a rule? /me checks < 1540740358 496281 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a long time, apparently < 1540740366 745519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 811.2a is not used here either, although it is not relevant it look like < 1540740398 661014 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 2010 < 1540740401 58352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, note that if you do not use any of the multiplayer options for combat, which player you attack is decided during the begin combat step, rather than the attack step. (This means it is possible to do stuff in between.) < 1540740440 275249 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'm not sure how exactly we played that, but yes, that's probably right about start of combat < 1540740468 894188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is 2 vs 2, rule 811.2a and 811.4 are not applicable. All of your opponents are going to be seated next to you. < 1540740549 701572 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh no, I'd never use "limited range of influence". that's the most horrible abomination in the rules. I don't think it would ever possible to get sane rules while using it nontrivially. < 1540740570 139503 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is for drunken parties, not for (mostly) mathematicians playing M:tG < 1540740587 499584 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, playing them in their free time to turn their minds off, not for puzzles or anything < 1540740599 988366 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I like M:tG, not chess or bridge or go < 1540740604 705356 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1540740693 126956 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name master warcraft < 1540740693 694010 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master Warcraft \ 2(r/w)(r/w) \ Instant \ Cast this spell only before attackers are declared. \ You choose which creatures attack this turn. \ You choose which creatures block this turn and how those creatures block. \ RAV-R, CMD-R, CMA-R < 1540740745 901772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't like "limited range of influence" either, but it is not applicable if you are playing only 2 vs 2, because the range of influence is 2 left and 2 right, and there are only 4 players so everyone is in your range of influence, so range of influence is not applicable. < 1540740867 787582 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we're not playing 2v2, we're playing duel, or sometimes used to play 1v1v1 but that always got too long and boring, or once tried archenemy < 1540740893 992918 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited roi or alternating opponents isn't applicable to those < 1540741003 934123 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have five people, then one sits out or watches the game or assists a player, because there's no sane game mode we want to play with 5 players, and enough things to do (rearrange decks, eat etc) to not get the party boring with 5 people < 1540741029 140685 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3 people that's the big problem < 1540741088 743366 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we try to avoid that by organizing M:tG on dates where we have at least four people who can come; otherwise play other board games of 3 < 1540741229 337259 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540741260 379241 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1540741287 499336 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540741437 452918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other card games for five players, such as Napoleon (which is a card game designed for five players, in teams of two and three or one and four, but you bid like in bridge and then the declarer names a card and whoever holds that card is his partner, but only that player knows who it is until the named card is played) < 1540741469 764027 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, and other board games too. but five people was never a problem for M:tG. < 1540741533 545895 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1540741577 463383 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540742290 408568 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540742303 562450 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540743992 252564 :wob_jonas!b03f18a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.161 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1540745373 532804 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1540746830 753252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1540746834 751028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1540748293 937780 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1540748434 30782 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540748546 113509 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1540749708 545324 :Konk!~textual@93.57.252.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540749728 388154 :Konk!~textual@93.57.252.38 PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1540753006 831047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like so far the class/image selection menu recently implemented in Free Hero Mesh? It is not quite finish yet though; the selection does not actually do anything yet once it is selected, although you can select them. < 1540756532 688359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that ghc does fixity resolution after splicing template haskell expressions... how do I unsee that mess :) > 1540756891 778895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03OdinSmodin 5* 10New user account < 1540756972 958665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1540757040 957737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1540757648 921642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58104&oldid=58092 5* 03OdinSmodin 5* (+196) 10/* Introductions */ < 1540758705 461808 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1540759887 884936 :reconcyl_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540759903 217875 :reconcyl_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1540759947 180639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome reconcyl_ < 1540759948 367210 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08reconcyl_: 09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) < 1540764109 349733 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540764136 505964 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540764387 383002 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1540764680 534939 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1540764749 484179 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540764833 729385 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christmas shopping season is coming. Let's target people with small children who'll buy anything for their children, whether they need it or not. I think this year we should sell baby scales and baby body thermometers with labels like "certified for the updated SI units of measure of 2019". < 1540764953 97068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the updated SI units of measure of 2019? < 1540764975 97317 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they're both battery-powered, so on the battery slot, put a big warning that you must use batteries with voltage certified for the updated SI units too. < 1540765067 202594 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: most of them. the kilogram, the ampere, the mole, the kelvin, and the candela. but none of that actually matters for a baby thermometer or scale or battery obviously. < 1540765076 453959 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540765088 205681 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meter and the second also get new definitions but the change there is only cosmetic to clean up the wording. < 1540765116 671745 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1540765244 645412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the old definition and what is it being changed to? < 1540765259 611259 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I really don't understand the details. < 1540765271 495154 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_redefinition_of_SI_base_units has some info, but still < 1540765322 864960 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, obviously, that the values try not to change, but the people in charge are more sure that they'll be able to consistently reproduce the standard at high precision with the new definitions < 1540765327 352634 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1540765338 266894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good at least that kilogram is change; the old way doesn't makes sense. < 1540765368 582004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, I do expect the values will not change significantly (if at all), of course. < 1540765387 887995 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the change is within the uncertainty of reproducing the old values < 1540765402 512535 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1540765413 984788 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't understand is how the new definitions work < 1540765422 577484 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really the definitions, but how they're reproducible < 1540765440 852790 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what are the different high precision measurements and how they combine < 1540765816 767859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either, although it looks like good to me, although I do think the old way of kilogram is no sense so is good they correct the definition of kilogram at least to a much better one. < 1540765869 844087 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ... complicated. I understood some of it, then gave up < 1540765992 89260 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1540766000 544888 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily the extra precision for the kilogram and ampere and mole won't matter for me < 1540766087 381212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that they are making a better definition of kilogram, but the rest I don't care as much < 1540766101 417266 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but they're all connected, I think < 1540766140 746340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1540766154 749145 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I don't understand them < 1540766253 75740 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.148.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1540766283 326832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like the word "tonne" (also called "metric ton") and prefer "megagram". (Either way it is defined as 1000 kg) < 1540766650 904500 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1540767038 635954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07JarJarScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=58105 5* 03OdinSmodin 5* (+294) 10A work in progress, JarJarScrIpt. Where all code is Jar Jar Binks' grammer. > 1540767318 772315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=58106&oldid=58004 5* 03OdinSmodin 5* (+76) 10My work in progress language, JarJarScript. < 1540767887 789617 :wob_jonas!b03f1816@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.22 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1540768171 937583 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akadabthleluwbxs QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1540768409 241923 :reconcyl_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1540768974 323383 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1540769226 414983 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@77.28.208.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540769407 498404 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1540769407 628467 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@77.28.208.207 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1540769408 208941 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@77.28.208.207 QUIT :Changing host < 1540769408 208989 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540769580 302623 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.218.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1540770332 463116 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1540770364 932813 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1540770897 660462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the document of NNTP, and it look mostly OK although there is some problem. One problem is that it is not Y2K compliant. Another is that some cases seem to be unclear how it is supposed to work. Other than that it look like OK