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07:05:47 <zzo38> Is there web browser (or extensions) that you might have keyboard commands such as "skip to next <h1>", "skip to next <h2> or <h1>", etc?
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09:37:08 <esowiki> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57954&oldid=57450 * Salpynx * (+25) /* =Computational Class */ formatting and link to Brainbool
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10:05:25 <wob_jonas> zzo38: re stolen pig, ah! if it's in a role-playing game that takes place in a fictional place with magical beings, then the legal system and police force could be entirely different from what I assumed, so my comments don't necessarily apply.
10:08:04 <wob_jonas> zzo38: re skip to next h1 in browser, I don't know, but it might be possible to implement such a thing in greasemonkey
10:10:01 <wob_jonas> Different thing about browsers and webpages: there's a lot of bad things I can say about websites using too much client-side scripting, but there's one advantage I must mention.
10:12:17 <wob_jonas> Some webpages have client-side scripts that verify the format of data you enter to a password input box while you're still typing in the box. One of these just popped up a red warning bubble saying that the text I was typing was too short, while I was still typing it. (There's some delay so I usually don't see that message because I type faster.) T
10:12:17 <wob_jonas> hese warnings make it obvious to everyone that client-side scripts are able to read the content of password fields as you're typing, so you should check what website you enter the data before you start typing, not after you enter the data and before you submit it.
10:13:03 <wob_jonas> That message alone doesn't prove it, but a phishing website could easily send anything you type into an input box to the web server, even if you delete it from the field immediately after.
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10:35:52 <\oren\> So apparently windows update is now deleting user data
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10:57:58 <wob_jonas> ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place.
10:59:12 <wob_jonas> It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. I don't own a car or motorbike, so I haven't had a reason to look at that yet.
11:00:36 <wob_jonas> I don't want to tell in public what I saw there, but these are publically available on the web, so if you really want to, you can look. But don't look unless you really must. If you have to buy insurance, just fill in your details to interactive forms and find out the fee for your vehicle only. Don't say I haven't warned you.
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11:02:51 <wob_jonas> There are very few people who should know about those tables, mostly just the people who work to create such tables, and some lawyers who assist in finding malpractices of insurance companies.
11:03:16 <wob_jonas> But the laws require that they must be public information, so anyone is allowed to look at it.
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18:27:55 <oerjan> <\oren\> So apparently windows update is now deleting user data <-- wat
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18:32:44 <int-e> oerjan: Windows 10 only and not always, and MS has withdrawn the update.
18:32:59 <int-e> So I guess you're either affected now or safe.
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18:38:14 <oerjan> i haven't had any updates this month yet, so whew.
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18:42:58 <oerjan> `addquote <wob_jonas> ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place. <wob_jonas> It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. [...]
18:42:59 <HackEso> 1328) <wob_jonas> ARGH! I just saw something on the web that is publicly available, but I shouldn't have looked at it, and now I can't unsee it. I was naive, I used to imagine that the world was a nicer place. <wob_jonas> It's the rules of an insurance company for computing the fees of motor vehicle insurance in Hungary. [...]
18:43:27 * oerjan considered cutting it after "company"
18:49:03 <oerjan> hm first beep today. and second.
18:49:25 <oerjan> it didn't feel like it came from the PC. and again, it didn't happen earlier today.
18:49:28 <int-e> anything during the night?
18:49:43 <int-e> I guess it is night
18:50:01 <int-e> at least if you're still where you were last time I cared about your geographic location.
18:50:09 <oerjan> i did hear a beep at some point when i was _not_ using the computer.
18:50:49 <int-e> microwaves are a popular source of sound these days
18:50:50 <oerjan> also, last night it stopped after a while.
18:51:21 <int-e> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/microwave-weapons-us-embassy-cuba-china-new-york-times ... not serious
18:51:23 <oerjan> hm i guess it could be that. if it's from the neighbor.
18:51:51 <int-e> (they can interfere with speakers though... for a while I could hear beeps when my phone was called on mine...)
18:52:04 <int-e> and I'm using "microwaves" very loosely here
18:52:48 <int-e> I suspect GHz frequencies used by mobile phones do not actually qualify :)
18:56:06 <int-e> Hmm, apparently they do... 300 GHz (1mm) – 300 MHz (1m) is the range given on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave
18:56:23 <int-e> I didn't expect the term to cover 3 decimal orders of magnitude.
18:57:03 <oerjan> well there's 3 decimal orders between milli, micro and nano
18:57:51 <oerjan> but i haven't really seen milliwave or nanowave
18:59:02 * oerjan swats FaerieFly spreading pixie dust everywhere -----###
18:59:29 <int-e> oerjan: well, now your swatter is contaminated.
18:59:46 <oerjan> it was already pixellated anyway
19:02:24 <int-e> Oh pixelation... "The victim is around 40. You can tell by the pixelation around the nose and neck."
19:04:23 <int-e> of course now I have to find the actual quote...
19:04:43 <FaerieFly> I should probably be glad I don't know where it's from
19:05:08 <int-e> FaerieFly: hmm? It's from Thimbleweed Park.
19:05:56 <FaerieFly> I was thinking it'd be from a CSI (or equivalent) episode, and played completely straight
19:06:37 <int-e> (the game *is* a murder mystery)
19:09:09 <zzo38> wob_jonas: I agree about those client-side scripting; many web pages do too much stuff, but it can be helpful to verify data entered into a form before sending it (the server should still verify it too, usually). That is why I wanted the new kind of web browser it treats document scripts hostile by default if enabled at all, and all functions (of everything, including what a CSS selector means) can be overridden by the user.
19:12:30 <int-e> FaerieFly: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/pixelate.png (the text spans 3 screenshots which I combined, so that's why the background is now broken)
19:13:15 <FaerieFly> I'm a bit tempted to play this game now
19:13:19 <zzo38> There can be settings to define what document scripts are allowed to do, that can be set per set of URLs and so on, and to override functions in scripts too
19:16:13 <int-e> FaerieFly: Well I enjoyed it a lot. Expect a ton of meta jokes and references to old Lucasfilm games/Lucasart adventures. There are a couple of absurd puzzles... may need a walkthrough.
19:18:24 <int-e> And I liked the story... except maybe the ending (but it didn't spoil the story, so it was okay).
19:21:54 <int-e> oh, pronouncable... shachaf-nubb
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19:36:40 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57968&oldid=57944 * Helen * (+13) Added "What!?"
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19:38:52 <shachaf> oerjan: https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43201673_1958594217539045_5445432349896474624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&oh=d4addcadb8a7a60bda8268550e4e51df&oe=5C51789C
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19:41:40 <oerjan> counterexample: the moment just after i collided and knocked out my front tooth back in high school.
19:43:42 <shachaf> The moment *after* colliding were you still riding it?
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19:46:48 <oerjan> riding and swearing, i vaguely recall.
19:47:24 <oerjan> it's possible i was actually walking...
19:47:47 <oerjan> given my condition was probably not the best for riding.
19:48:11 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure i continued to school though, where i was promptly sent to a dentist.
19:49:07 <oerjan> thus arose my zombie tooth
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20:11:13 <int-e> \newcommand{\clearqed}{\setbox0=\hbox{\popQED}\pushQED{}} % such ugliness
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20:50:52 <int-e> \newcommand{\clearqed}{\setbox0=\hbox{\qedhere}} % yay, slightly less ugly
20:50:54 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57973&oldid=57968 * Salpynx * (+17) /* Non-alphabetic */ adding . Iota comes before mu.
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20:55:46 <oerjan> hm not the proper greek letter
20:56:28 <HackEso> [U+042E CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER YU]
20:56:45 <HackEso> [U+0399 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER IOTA]
20:56:55 <HackEso> [U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU]
20:57:07 <HackEso> [U+039C GREEK CAPITAL LETTER MU]
20:58:01 <int-e> arguably the page name is wrong... e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9C-recursive_function
20:58:52 <oerjan> hm mediawiki actually capitalizes them to the same thing
20:59:09 <int-e> I mean, the language name is derived from \mu-recursive functions, so it should really use the Greek letter instead of the micro sign.
20:59:34 <HackEso> [U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU]
21:00:09 <int-e> oh wait, is it just the index entry that is wrong? that would be even funnier
21:00:57 <int-e> yes, it's just the index entry that has the micro sign. the page itself has a \mu
21:01:30 <HackEso> [U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU]
21:01:44 <oerjan> well that makes it easier.
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21:03:36 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57974&oldid=57973 * Oerjan * (+0) /* Non-alphabetic */ Use proper letter
21:04:45 <HackEso> [U+03BC GREEK SMALL LETTER MU]
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21:10:24 <int-e> > "μCurse" == "µCurse" -- first one is title, second one is the first word of the article...
21:10:51 <int-e> > toUpper 'μ' == toUpper 'µ'
21:11:23 <oerjan> it's a result of the {{lowercase}} template
21:11:39 <int-e> Yeah, since the page title is actually a lower case ΜCurse.
21:12:07 <int-e> I'd still argue that the language name *should* use the Greek letter, but the intent of the author is less clear than I thought :)
21:15:02 <oerjan> it seems possible to enforce MICRO SIGN with DISPLAYTITLE
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21:15:33 <HackEso> [U+004D LATIN CAPITAL LETTER M]
21:15:57 <int-e> (that's what the Haskell implementation uses)
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