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02:32:55 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57931&oldid=57893 * A * (+111)
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03:08:09 <Sgeo_> I did a thing https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1048017789884067840
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05:24:57 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * JonoCode9374 * uploaded "[[File:Code box.png]]"
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05:41:37 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57933&oldid=57931 * A * (+0)
05:41:41 <shachaf> Sgeo_: I was hoping that'd be a new olist
05:41:54 <shachaf> Should we expect the update Fri or Sat?
05:42:37 <Sgeo_> It should come sometime before THEC64 hands over their source code as required by the GPL
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05:59:21 <zzo38> What other Magic: the Gathering cards do you like to make up (both Un-cards and proper cards)? I did some Un-cards such as, you must rip this card in half as you draft it, and one card "bands with other creatures having at least as much faith as this one"
06:00:42 <Sgeo_> faith?
06:02:09 <zzo38> It is meaningless, but that card also has the "faith-healing" keyword ability (which is not defined anywhere, because it is a priest of the future who has not even been invented yet, presumably)
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06:06:09 <zzo38> And one card has "blanding" (this creature is less interesting than the other creatures).
06:09:02 <zzo38> One card (suggested by my brother) is "In A Band With Others": When enchanted creature attacks as part of a band including other creatures too, then the active player must sing a song for the entire duration of the attack. Damage is not dealt until song is completed.
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06:32:05 <esowiki> [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57934&oldid=54651 * A * (+22) bf core
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06:49:43 <zzo38> What is the legal defence if you asked someone who has stolen someone else's pig for the pig back, and they refuse several times, and then you go in and get it (ending up killing people who are attacking you to get it) and a wheelbarrow (to carry the pig) and bring it back to its rightful owner, who then returns the wheelbarrow?
07:08:35 <shachaf> I think the parenthetical bit where you kill the people might be a bit problematic.
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08:35:02 <wob_jonas> zzo38: "the only settings for captions is which caption to display, not the font styles or anything like that" =>
08:35:03 <wob_jonas> AFAIK, at least on DVD video formats, captions are included as some sort of compressed bitmap image, not text. This was done because back when the first DVD players appeared, they were really primitive, and they didn't want to guarantee that they have a font rendering support for all current and future script, including ones that require tricky eng
08:35:03 <wob_jonas> ines.
08:36:05 <wob_jonas> These days people also use captions as time-tagged text in a separate file for videos played on a computer, mostly to allow fan-made English captions for anime.
08:36:49 <wob_jonas> I can't help with your original caption on hotel TV connection.
08:37:38 <wob_jonas> zzo38: "What other Magic: the Gathering cards do you like to make up (both Un-cards and proper cards)?" => there's a few I mentioned in the logs.
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08:41:28 <wob_jonas> My favorite is still this old one that is probably balanced and non-un but probably won't be published in an official set. Name not known yet; Mana cost: 1W; Type: Enchantment Aura; Text: Enchant creature / All permanents have protection from enchanted creature.
08:42:18 <wob_jonas> zzo38: re "bands with other creatures having at least as much faith as this one" => That's made for the new "bands with" rule, right?
08:45:23 <wob_jonas> zzo38: re stolen pig, I don't know the answer, but perhaps look at http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=871 and following comics for at least a partial answer in the U.S.
08:55:48 <wob_jonas> zzo38: on the more practical side of the stolen pig: (1) don't do that; (2) if you've done that or are seriously planning to do that, get a lawyer; (3) if your pig is stolen, you asked for it and they don't give it back, you still want the pig back, and you can convince others that it's probably your pig, then report that to the police.
08:56:58 <wob_jonas> If you know where the pig is, the police can likely help you to get it back.
09:39:24 <wob_jonas> Argh! I'd like to name a readme file such that it's sorted first in many directory listing sort methods people generally use, and the files in this directory have names like "img7556-*.jpg" and "P1*.JPG". "00README.1ST" would work and is a common convention (or used to be) but is so ugly that I don't want to use it.
09:39:40 <wob_jonas> The best method may be to rename all those other files.
09:41:07 <wob_jonas> Yeah, that's what I'll do, rename the files to more reasonable names.
09:41:46 <wob_jonas> I won't do 8.3 names because we're finally past the time when that matters (in most situations), but I still won't use very long names, because I hate those.
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10:37:46 <wob_jonas> yup, I renamed them all
10:49:42 <wob_jonas> And named the file readme.txt
10:50:36 <wob_jonas> which still isn't perfect, because if you sort by _extension_ (which isn't rare), then that file is last, after the *.jpg, but I don't care about that
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12:10:52 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck implementations]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57935&oldid=57933 * A * (-64)
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13:01:39 <int-e> wob_jonas: just start the file name with a space :P
13:02:29 <int-e> > ls
13:02:29 <int-e> ' README' img1
13:02:31 <lambdabot> error:
13:02:31 <lambdabot> • Variable not in scope: ls
13:02:31 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant one of these:
13:02:42 <int-e> lambdabot: sorry
13:02:45 <int-e> @botsnack
13:02:45 <lambdabot> :)
13:06:44 <wob_jonas> int-e: yes, that can be funny. windows 10 File Explorer's version-sort sorts such a filename before other filenames because of the space, but if you try to rename it in File Explorer by removing the space but changing nothing else, it refuses saying that "The source and destination filenames are the same",
13:07:49 <wob_jonas> despite that the filenames aren't the same according to the file system, and that File Explorer allows renames that differ only in uppercase vs lowercase, which are the same according to the file system.
13:08:12 <wob_jonas> File Explorer is strange: it refuses you to rename files to start with a dot, despite that the file system and the "REN" builtin of cmd allows such renames.
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13:09:12 <wob_jonas> And if you try to rename a file to start with a space in File Explorer, it silently strips the space and does the rename that way.
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14:15:14 <esowiki> [[Rockstar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57936&oldid=57930 * Dylanbeattie * (-7) /* Implementations */
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14:23:19 <wob_jonas> zzo38 and others: this one is a week old but hasn't been posted yet: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/guilds-ravnica-update-bulletin-2018-09-28 M:tG Guilds of Ravnica Update Bulletin
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14:30:47 <esowiki> [[Dotlang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57937&oldid=57885 * Andrew3335 * (-142)
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15:14:40 <wob_jonas> wtf? they printed a sunburst creature in Guilds of Ravnica? without mentioning "sunburst"? wow
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15:36:11 <wob_jonas> zzo38: ouch. http://magiccards.info just redirects to scryfall now. that's sad, because magiccards.info was actually better in some things. but then, these M:tG card databases are hard to keep up to date, so I can understand it. so now we have only scryfall and yawgatog, besides Wizards' own terrible site.
15:36:53 <wob_jonas> zzo38: that makes it more important to scrape all that data, repeat that four times a year, and save local copies of everything
15:38:01 <wob_jonas> zzo38: do you collect and publish the comp rules and card history anywhere currently?
15:39:51 <wob_jonas> `fetch http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt
15:39:52 <HackEso> http:/media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt: No such file or directory
15:40:23 <wob_jonas> `fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt
15:40:24 <HackEso> 2018-10-05 15:40:23 URL:http://media.wizards.com/2018/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020181005.txt [707789/707789] -> "share/mtg/MagicCompRules-20181005.txt" [1]
15:41:46 <wob_jonas> `fetch share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip https://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2018-05-21.zip
15:41:49 <HackEso> 2018-10-05 15:41:48 URL:https://yawgatog.com/resources/oracle/All%20Sets-2018-05-21.zip [825483/825483] -> "share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip" [1]
15:41:59 <wob_jonas> `unzip share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip
15:42:00 <HackEso> ​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unzip: not found
15:42:06 <wob_jonas> `gunzip share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip
15:42:06 <HackEso> gzip: share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored
15:42:17 <wob_jonas> `gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip
15:42:18 <HackEso> gzip: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `gzip --help' for more information.
15:42:25 <wob_jonas> ``` gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip
15:42:26 <HackEso> ​"Ach! Hans, Run!" \ 2RRGG \ Enchantment \ At the beginning of your upkeep, you may say "Ach! Hans, run! It's the . . ." and the name of a creature card. If you do, search your library for a card with that name, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. That creature gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step. \ UNH-R \ \ "Rumors of My Death . . ." \ 2B \ Enchantment \ {3}{B}, Exile a permanent you control with a League of
15:42:38 <wob_jonas> ``` gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip > allsets-2018-05-21.txt
15:42:39 <HackEso> No output.
15:43:12 <wob_jonas> ``` rm -v allsets-*.txt; gzip -dc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.zip > share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt
15:43:14 <HackEso> removed 'allsets-2018-05-21.txt'
15:43:27 <wob_jonas> ``` wc share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt
15:43:27 <HackEso> ​ 131997 588226 3552253 share/mtg/allsets-2018-05-21.txt
15:43:45 <wob_jonas> ``` ln -s allsets-2018-05-21.txt share/mtg/allsets.txt
15:43:46 <HackEso> ln: failed to create symbolic link 'share/mtg/allsets.txt': File exists
15:43:51 <wob_jonas> ``` ln -sf allsets-2018-05-21.txt share/mtg/allsets.txt
15:43:53 <HackEso> No output.
15:44:02 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name coiling oracle
15:44:04 <HackEso> Coiling Oracle \ GU \ Creature -- Snake Elf Druid \ 1/1 \ When Coiling Oracle enters the battlefield, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put that card into your hand. \ DIS-C, C15-C, CN2-U, C16-C, MM3-C, DDO-C
15:44:12 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name Chamber Sentry
15:44:13 <HackEso> No output.
15:44:55 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name skyscanner
15:44:55 <HackEso> No output.
15:46:16 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name shivan fire
15:46:17 <HackEso> Shivan Fire \ R \ Instant \ Kicker {4} (You may pay an additional {4} as you cast this spell.) \ Shivan Fire deals 2 damage to target creature. If this spell was kicked, it deals 4 damage to that creature instead. \ DOM-C
15:46:45 <wob_jonas> hmm, so yawgatog doesn't even have the M2019 set yet
15:47:11 <wob_jonas> or Core set 2019 or whatever that's called
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16:06:19 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name evolving wilds
16:06:19 <HackEso> Evolving Wilds \ Land \ {T}, Sacrifice Evolving Wilds: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. \ ROE-C, CMD-C, DKA-C, M13-C, C13-C, M15-C, C14-C, DTK-C, MM2-C, ORI-C, BFZ-C, C15-C, CN2-C, C16-C, AKH-C, CMA-C, C17-C, IMA-C, RIX-C, DDH-C, DDK-C, DDN-C, DDO-C, DDP-C
16:06:23 <wob_jonas> `card-by-name terramorphic expanse
16:06:23 <HackEso> Terramorphic Expanse \ Land \ {T}, Sacrifice Terramorphic Expanse: Search your library for a basic land card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then shuffle your library. \ TSP-C, 10E-C, M10-C, HOP-C, ARC-C, M11-C, CMD-C, PC2-C, MMA-C, C13-C, C14-C, C15-C, C16-C, PCA-C, CMA-C, C17-C, DDE-C, DDH-C, DDN-C, H09-C
16:07:38 <wob_jonas> zzo38: ^ apparently the text difference is now fixed in Gatherer. let me try to find out when they did that.
16:09:22 <wob_jonas> Interesting. It doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the recent Update Bulletins, despite that it must have changed recently, since they still differ in Yawgatog.
16:15:50 <wob_jonas> zzo38: the strange part is that both cards have printed versions with the dot and with the comma. The latest printed versions and the most recent oracle text has the comma.
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16:55:04 <zzo38> I have now downloaded the new rules.
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17:13:37 <zzo38> I am not going to to the stuff with the stolen pig of course though; it is for a game. Those attackers who prevented us are not necessarily dead but probably are, but they were attacking with crossbow and hatchet. (Actually, one of us stole the arrows from the crossbow too.)
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18:03:30 <esowiki> [[User:DMC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57938&oldid=57482 * DMC * (+7)
18:10:36 <esowiki> [[Talk:Binaryfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57939&oldid=36330 * DMC * (+69)
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18:44:22 <wob_jonas> From an automatic email response: "We process customer contacts in the order they are received" wait what?
18:44:24 <wob_jonas> Isn't such a guarantee silly to make in case you want to grow your customer service department to more than one person working independently at the same time? In fact, since this is a large organization, I suspect the sentence is already a lie because customer support is already bigger than that.
18:45:22 <wob_jonas> Computer scientists have already ran into that problem a few times when they started optimizing CPUs or compilers but wanted to keep various guarantees the old documentation promised or the old code assumed.
18:46:07 <wob_jonas> Mind you, there's an even worse version, the one where you are not only guaranteed to process requests in order, but also assign them sequential ID numbers without gaps or the lowest currently unused descriptor number.
18:46:27 <shachaf> "process" might mean something weaker
18:47:04 <shachaf> Maybe there's one customer queue and customers are "processed" by passing them to a person
18:47:31 <wob_jonas> shachaf: sure, it might mean that they only _start_ to process my request, and if it is a request that requires a longer time to solve then they'll respond to me and put it into background.
18:47:46 <shachaf> Maybe they don't call that processing anymore.
18:48:15 <wob_jonas> shachaf: but if the meaning of "process" is practically nothing, then why put that sentence there at all?
18:49:20 <shachaf> The phrasing I find very strange is "your request will be processed in the order it was received"
18:50:44 <wob_jonas> I recall linux has had some minor trouble on multi-threaded programs because unix and SUSV and POSIX guarantees that new file descriptions always get the lowest free natural number as their ID, and there are now pseudo-file-descriptors for all sorts of resources a process can hold, and each thread can create or dup new file descriptors or close exi
18:50:44 <wob_jonas> sting ones.
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18:51:36 <shachaf> Silly guarantee.
18:51:52 <wob_jonas> So you may have to lock across multiple CPUs at the same time for that, which very rarely causes a problem, but is nevertheless entirely silly, because no sane program actually wants to rely on that behavior across multiple threads, but it's still too late to change the guarantee now.
18:53:35 <zzo38> Multithreading can sometimes cause many problems if you do these kind of thing within multiple threads.
18:53:49 <wob_jonas> And a few programs rely on that behavior to close and reopen some of the low 3 file descriptions (stdin, stdout, stderr),
18:54:04 <wob_jonas> even though they could just open the new descriptor and then dup2 instad, but you can't easily fix existing programs.
18:56:22 <wob_jonas> In fact, many health care institutions specifically have signs that they *do not* guarantee to process patients in the order they arrive; and even more mundane places like banks or in-person customer service centers that have a queuing ticket machine print a warning to the ticket that customers aren't necessarily called in the order of the number o
18:56:23 <wob_jonas> n the ticket.
18:57:48 <wob_jonas> The signs are there to have something to point at if someone gets upset that they're attended to later than someone who has arrived after them. In health care institutions, this is necessary because different patients can have different priority, and in other institutions, it's usually because not all employees can handle all types of requests so t
18:57:48 <wob_jonas> here are multiple intermixed queues.
18:58:11 <wob_jonas> In both cases there can also be some parallelism, but that alone isn't the reason for the signs.
18:58:38 <wob_jonas> Some health care wards also have specific signs for what specific cases let you jump to the front of the queue.
19:00:03 <wob_jonas> These can include emergencies, patients with transplants that are on immune suppressants, patients that have to return very often, and cases that are handled very quickly.
19:01:03 <wob_jonas> Some wards also have rules for which cases are when you don't have to ask for an appointment time in advance, when they usually have queues longer than a week but let a few urgent patients skip that.
19:01:14 <wob_jonas> This can apply even to non-emergency cases.
19:04:53 <wob_jonas> The strangest case is traumatology, which apparently only has two levels with nothing between: urgent care traumatology called “baleseti sebészet” (approx. accident surgery), which means that some hospital has an urgent care center taking patients any time, even at night or holidays, and you can enter without asking for an appointment any time, tho
19:04:53 <wob_jonas> ugh they have different priorities among people who arrive;
19:06:14 <wob_jonas> and non-urgent care, in a completely different department called “ortopédia”, for which you need an appointment with a waiting list of often a month, and is open only on weekday working hours.
19:07:40 <wob_jonas> Most other branches of healthcare have urgent and non-urgent outpatient care at the same department, so during the opening hour of the non-urgent care, urgent cases go to the same place as non-urgent cases, though they might be able to jump the queue.
19:08:10 <wob_jonas> Although admittedly some brances don't have urgent care at all.
19:10:01 <wob_jonas> And since in many cases, you are restricted in which hospital or ward you can use by where you live, and the restriction depends on whether it's in normal opening hours or not, in practice for most people there are departments where they have to go to entirely different hospitals or wards for urgent care.
19:12:59 <wob_jonas> The most clear example is maxillofacial surgery (orthodental surgery): at any one time outside working hours there is only one non-private hospital open for urgent maxillofacial surgical care in the entire Budapest, and this role cycles between three hospitals by a very complicated schedule; but a lot of different hospitals have a non-urgent outpat
19:13:00 <wob_jonas> ient maxillofacial surgery department open on normal working hours.
19:14:05 <wob_jonas> "normal" in a somewhat relaxed sense, the exact hours a non-urgent outpatient hospital department is open can be strange, but it's definitely only on workdays and never during the night.
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19:20:27 <wob_jonas> Also, workdays, sign. Between 1991 and approximately 2006, workdays were simple. Every day is a worday unless it's a Saturday, Sunday, falls on any of the calendar dates --01-01, --03-15, --05-01, --08-20, --10-23, --11-01, --12-25, --12-26, or the Monday after Easter or the Monday after Pentecost.
19:23:39 <wob_jonas> but since approximately 2007, they started modifying this by adding between zero and five inclusive pairs of swapped workdays per year, where a certain Saturday is a workday despite the previous rule, but in balance, a certain weekday (which is either a Monday or Friday adjacent to a normal non-workday, or is on --12-24 or --12-31) is not a workday
19:23:39 <wob_jonas> . Also, since 2017, the Friday before Easter is an additional non-working day.
19:25:56 <wob_jonas> And the bad part is that the swapped workdays are announced by the government only late in the previous calendar year. They've been doing such an announcement separately for like ten years now. Why can't they just make up their mind and write a law that defines them in every future year (until they change that law)?
19:31:17 <wob_jonas> It seems that --10-23 was added as a state holiday in 1990, so the system was unchanged from 1990 to 2009, but I'm not sure about the 2009.
19:32:29 <wob_jonas> I guess the 1990 makes sense. That's a law they wanted to make quickly.
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19:37:57 <oerjan> there's a beeping sound somewhere, but it's rare and (so far) unpredictable so i haven't found the source yet. i hope it's not the laptop.
19:38:04 <oerjan> hm now there were several.
19:39:20 <oerjan> i have a troubling hunch that it only happens when i'm typing.
19:39:49 <olsner> somehow read typing as dying there
19:40:42 <wob_jonas> If *I* started a country, then I'd make most of the non-weekend state holidays moving around according to some weighted pseudorandom procedure, in such a way that they can fall on basically any calendar day, but some are bunched up to form four adjacent non-workdays, and you can compute their dates with a simple deterministic publically documented
19:40:42 <wob_jonas> algorithm, so anyone can plan in advance for holidays for as long in the future as the government or Earth's rotation exists, whichever is shorter.
19:41:52 <wob_jonas> Then I'd still have the government declare next year's holidays in the previous year, but not their set of dates, but what each holiday is officially a memorial or celebration or grieving for, though that is only for informational purposes, not mandatory.
19:43:30 <wob_jonas> Then if we want to incorporate a holiday for some event, then like every five years while we still think that thing is relevant enoguh to have a memorial for, we name one of the holidays from the event, even though the date of the holiday was known to be a non-workday long ago, possibly before that event.
19:49:24 <oerjan> hm testing by typing nonsense with the laptop off to the side seems a bit inconclusive. i think it might be an interaction with my tinnitus.
19:52:03 <wob_jonas> oerjan: what OS and relevant software is the laptop running? can the beeping be coming from outside your house? is it single beeps, or a reuglar pattern of two or more beeps with less than a few seconds between?
19:52:58 <wob_jonas> it's not my washing machine, is it? /me goes to check
19:53:41 <wob_jonas> nope, not my washing machine, and not my oven clock
19:53:55 <wob_jonas> oerjan: could it be an alert from an irc client or other chat thingy?
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19:57:26 <oerjan> hm there it was again, that's _not_ a tinnitus sound.
19:57:56 <wob_jonas> oerjan: must be me pinging you in irc
19:57:59 <oerjan> and didn't really happen when i was typing.
19:58:18 <wob_jonas> oerjan: check your chat cilent
19:58:25 <oerjan> i have no beeping set for irc.
19:58:58 <oerjan> it's also _not_ the kind of sound a computer would make on purpose.
19:59:01 <wob_jonas> yes, but my keyboard is clicky
19:59:30 <wob_jonas> maybe you're hearing the clicky sounds distorted by IRC
19:59:59 <oerjan> it _does_ remind me of the time some years back when the oven heat detector started nagging for new batteries. but i think that sound was different.
20:00:09 * oerjan swats wob_jonas -----###
20:00:35 <oerjan> the swatter is out of practice, and this seemed like a good opportunity.
20:00:59 <oerjan> oh i was going to write down the times.
20:01:05 * wob_jonas becomes flat _______
20:02:01 <oerjan> seems to be 20 minutes since the last one. if that's regular, i should be able to prepare to triangulate.
20:02:35 <oerjan> although i'm pretty sure there were several in a row last time
20:03:06 <oerjan> i'm still quite ready to blame the neighbor or some other device if i can just get a clear direction that's _not_ towards my laptop.
20:04:04 <oerjan> the most recent one _did_ sound like it could be the kitchen
20:05:48 <wob_jonas> in the old days, I'd say remove the battery from your laptop and if you still get the sound more than 30 seconds after that, then it's not the laptop. these days laptops are so complicated and have extra batteries inside that are used for things other than keeping a wall clock running that I wouldn't swear that works.
20:07:36 <oerjan> well i haven't heard it with the laptop off yet.
20:07:51 <oerjan> and also i didn't hear it earlier today when i was using it.
20:08:51 <oerjan> also i was going to make some food ->
20:11:30 <wob_jonas> oerjan: but if you make food then you'll get noises from the kitchen that mask the beeps, or even beeps from kitchen implements
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20:13:57 <int-e> laptops are easy in that they can be removed from the flat.
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20:21:03 <oerjan> the only relevant kitchen implement is the fridge.
20:21:31 <oerjan> which is indeed noisy. anyway, i didn't hear anything around the 20 min mark.
20:24:18 <zzo38> This is the stuff about the game with stealing back the stolen pig: http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui/wiki?name=Session+16
20:24:27 <esowiki> [[Golf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57940&oldid=57934 * Oerjan * (-22) Undo revision 57934 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (Irrelevant mention in a section that is about initial implementations.)
20:25:19 <zzo38> Do you like this?
20:25:32 <oerjan> there it was again.
20:26:41 * oerjan isn't patient enough for this irregular waiting.
20:26:45 <zzo38> I do not know what noise that is either, I think. Did you try the refrigerator? Mine sometimes beeps
20:26:56 <oerjan> hm once more.
20:27:38 <oerjan> needs more data collection.
20:28:12 <zzo38> Maybe you can write it down
20:28:24 <oerjan> i am.
20:29:43 <oerjan> now it seems to be about once a minute.
20:30:53 <zzo38> Put the data into the computer so that it can be analyzed.
20:35:43 <oerjan> annoyingly, as soon as i tried doing something different, the every-minute row stopped.
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21:31:55 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * JonoCode9374 * uploaded "[[File:Hello World MineFriff.png]]"
21:42:49 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * JonoCode9374 * uploaded "[[File:Fizzbuzz.png]]"
21:48:32 <doesthiswork> get a binaural microphone to triangulate the source of any unusual sounds
21:52:48 <esowiki> [[MineFriff]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=57943 * JonoCode9374 * (+11277) Added MineFriff Esolang
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21:54:13 <wob_jonas> wow, there are now micro SD cards of 400 GB capacity
21:54:18 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57944&oldid=57929 * JonoCode9374 * (+16)
21:55:41 <wob_jonas> and apparently also micro SD cards of 1 MB capacity.
21:55:56 <esowiki> [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57945&oldid=57943 * JonoCode9374 * (+91)
21:56:36 <esowiki> [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57946&oldid=57945 * JonoCode9374 * (+17)
21:57:01 <esowiki> [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57947&oldid=57946 * JonoCode9374 * (+25)
21:57:15 <esowiki> [[MineFriff]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57948&oldid=57947 * JonoCode9374 * (+0)
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23:45:57 <shachaf> `? bfjoust
23:45:58 <HackEso> bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric.
23:46:08 <shachaf> `grWp bfjoust
23:46:09 <HackEso> bfjoust:bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. \ minpoijjikop:Minpoijjikop bfjoustioppl sdardqwcasf uyvjhyb mipjkpmo.
23:46:17 <shachaf> `grWp hill
23:46:18 <HackEso> No output.
23:46:22 <shachaf> ^prefixes
23:46:22 <fungot`> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
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