< 1537574411 555171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should computers have a single address space? < 1537574430 899287 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, would they just assign the arguments to formal parameters in an explicit formal parameter list (possibly with the types omittable)? if so, then how is that better from just plain local variable declarations with initialization at the inside beginning of the block? < 1537574434 937208 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I guess that would be fine if the machine language was easily relocatable < 1537574449 977724 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574451 977727 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any instruction sets like that, only relocatable instructions < 1537574461 924339 :wyggler227!~wyggler2@206.214.15.140 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574472 102872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mill has a single address space. < 1537574476 241194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Let me think of some of my use cases. < 1537574480 341777 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574481 211278 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just C-like lexical scope rules for when the argument names are live, you can just add a multiple declaration statement like in C. < 1537574488 660206 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1537574489 122238 :fungot!~fungot@88.98.228.179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i just want ( as my implementation passes except for that poly-add-term procedure. let's think of fnord awful rc scheme... brown too as well. < 1537574492 26211 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/the difference is/ < 1537574499 815369 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mill is also willing to engage in some fairly radical departures from traditional architecture to pull it off. < 1537574503 764584 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even a multiple declaration with different types. < 1537574536 981064 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537574537 736245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Do you remember that my "for x in xs" syntax was { x := for(xs); BODY }? < 1537574553 888566 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1537574563 398151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should that expand into? < 1537574605 503365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it's a C++-style for loop. Not that I really want those, but at least they're established. < 1537574612 341386 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for x (xs) { BODY } < 1537574635 281089 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what do oyu mean by "C++-style for loop"? those have like six twists over C-like for loops < 1537574648 161246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for (auto x : xs) in C++ < 1537574663 760418 :wyggler227!~wyggler2@206.214.15.140 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537574747 615259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might turn into something like { @break_label; it := xs.begin(); end := xs.end(); @label; exit_if (it == end) @break_label; { @continue_label; BODY }; ++it; repeat @label; } < 1537574777 405448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except x should be in scope for BODY < 1537574785 162562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense, hmm. < 1537574799 283091 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: with the variable that xs.begin() and xs.end() will be assigned to with required same type (older C++) or allowed different types (newer C++)? with auto x expanding to a C++-style reference to the dereferenced values? < 1537574907 57711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are better for loops anyway, I just wanted something to use as an example. < 1537574909 929842 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rust doesn't allow returns values from for-range loops and do-while loops, because they might run the block zero times, so it's not clear what the normal fall-out-of-block return value should be, unless it's () in which case return values are not useful. < 1537574911 847273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use Rust-style iterators intead. < 1537574937 640369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: That's pretty reasonable. Maybe only for-else style loops should have return values. < 1537574946 153312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean early exit values. < 1537574954 540697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want early exit values from arbitrary blocks anyway. < 1537575011 598806 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rust-style iterators in your language? aren't they pretty hard to design a language around where they're useful? < 1537575040 388334 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++-style or old lua-style may be easier < 1537575084 39083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't a Rust iterator just a thing with a next() method that can return a next value or None? < 1537575093 245386 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old lua as in the same one as in current lua, which was designed for old lua that didn't have closures, so it lets you passes extra parameters to the iterator callbacks < 1537575113 992126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is irrelevant anyway. < 1537575135 405563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question here isn't how iterators should work, it's how the { x := macro(); ... } thing should work. < 1537575139 702848 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: object with next method => pretty much, yes < 1537575171 34795 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I'm too tired to contribute anything useful to this now. you might want to ask me later or ask someone else < 1537575227 886809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The point is, I guess, that { x := XXX; YYY } is like a sort bof lambda/continuation with a hole in the place where it says XXX < 1537575354 766149 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it just a non-lambda control structure that executes the block ones with that lexical variable locally assigned in the block? few languages have that control structure, but it's one you could have. < 1537575359 876030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot like a block {|x| YYY} applied to argument XXX < 1537575366 170278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When XXX is a regular value, I mean. < 1537575398 232021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's not a regular value but a semi-macro-thing, the semi-macro-thing should effectively take that block as an argument, and be able to run it with a value. < 1537575443 452966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's that too. But actually using the name "x" is kind of ugly. < 1537575444 723595 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and is that a golang-like := that declares a new lexical local variable, or a traditional assignment to an existing lvalue or variable (temporary or permanent)? < 1537575459 605196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Go-like. < 1537575480 155911 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's easier. no messing with restoring the original value ever. < 1537575492 933000 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, definitely can be interpreted as a control structure < 1537575498 721424 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no lambda in there < 1537575507 560505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, { x = XXX; YYY } is maybe trickier. < 1537575515 949766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the lambda is only conceptual, it's not a real lambda. < 1537575543 952192 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which version, the permanent assignment (that's easy, if you already have mutable variables), or the temporary one? < 1537575555 895581 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temporary one really should have different syntax though < 1537575565 451002 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this language has a very strange syntax < 1537575588 390405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not concerned with assignment for the moment. < 1537575618 224551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of thing is { x := [hole]; YYY }? < 1537575632 877156 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think it's a lambda. didn't you already imply that the other control structures like for-each or while or if aren't lambdas, because much less restrictions? if so, then this is even less of a lambda. < 1537575664 214035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not a lambda. < 1537575670 681898 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: IMPERATIVE CHICKEN < 1537575670 989280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only used the word "lambda" as analogy. < 1537575697 816401 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: uh, that could be a convenience syntactic sugar I guess, if you mean the value is given somewhere after the closing brace < 1537575700 976595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a SSA basic block, as described in https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rjsimmon/15411-f15/lec/10-ssa.pdf < 1537575727 229942 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be a real lambda with that x:=[hole]; declaring an argument < 1537575770 965900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can write "macro" such that when you write { x := macro(); YYY }, "macro" expands to some code that takes { x := [hole]; YYY } as an argument. < 1537575799 284625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These aren't really AST-processing macros but something weaker that treats that thing as a black box.) < 1537575801 339016 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in some languages iirc the braces themselves in some syntactic context imply it's a lambda, not called < 1537575806 322789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm communicating very coherently. :-( < 1537575829 132261 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, like I said I'm too tired to really understand anything you say < 1537575876 190961 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally different topic: < 1537575919 919236 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In natural languages, do you know those language prescriptionists that try to proscribe some redundant phrases? I hate them. < 1537575959 751857 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because they cherry-pick by hating some kind of redundancies while liking others. That's OK. < 1537575997 407034 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because many of those redundant phrases are actually features: they help in either disambiguation or error-correcting, the latter especially in spoken text in noisy environments. < 1537576040 907295 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first, phrases with a TLA like "ATM machine", "PIN number", "LCD display" are good because TLAs are so ambiguous that you need the redundancy to *disambiguate*. < 1537576073 28947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your communication would be clearer if you started with the example. < 1537576101 123442 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some redundant phrases help error-correct against mishearing. I don't know a good English example that grammar nazis try to proscribe, but in Hungarian, "Hol fekszik helyileg?" is a double redundant phrase for asking "Where?", < 1537576125 556348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather proscribe acronyms in the first place. < 1537576132 607446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're mostly bad. < 1537576182 570453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bad way to construct words. < 1537576186 503794 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "helyileg" is a good circumphrasing and "fekszik" is a qualifier, and the error-correction is useful in spoken text (esp in noisy channel) because "Hol?" is too short alone and easy to mishear, < 1537576214 969801 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the alternative "Merre?" would be proscribed by the same grammar nazis for an entirely different reason. < 1537576254 179666 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perhaps, but acronyms still seem sometimes useful, especially in technical jargon < 1537576262 659533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're bad in technical jargon. < 1537576274 931094 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mind you, maybe they aren't that useful, because for some reason maths terminology barely has any acronyms, while computing has a ton < 1537576286 556339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to invent a word, there are much better ways to explore word-space than taking the first letter of a bunch of other words. < 1537576373 96832 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, that might be true < 1537576457 596968 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnite < 1537576460 103534 :wob_jonas!b03f1904@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.4 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537576472 960694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the reasons people use acronyms is to -- oh, never mind. < 1537576596 383434 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537576737 76917 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: If we're putting dbus in the linux kernel, I want a java rmi registry there too. < 1537576743 960612 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1537576970 385522 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537577087 687565 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, < 1537577089 313974 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"● Mainframe experience shows an established < 1537577089 491626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :market for hardware decimal arithmetic" < 1537577091 610109 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1537577339 15965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1537577514 712523 :[n0mad]21!~n0mad]@134.236.66.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537577569 98739 :[n0mad]21!~n0mad]@134.236.66.42 QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) < 1537578354 762725 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537578516 941034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537579080 486274 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@2601:602:77f:bce9:886f:993f:5751:e91c JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579137 459223 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue NICK :Hooloovo0 < 1537579543 14942 :en7ropy!~en7ropy@183.157.175.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579627 337582 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537579782 364217 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537579830 843060 :en7ropy!~en7ropy@183.157.175.111 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537581323 136210 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I dunno, but mainframes do *do* BCD arithmetic natively. < 1537581346 729017 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not decimal floats, mind, but certainly decimal fixed-point. < 1537582782 118389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which mainframes? < 1537582835 412860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that was a claim from Mill people < 1537582846 929377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://web.archive.org/web/20160303233450/http://www.ac.usc.es/arith19/sites/default/files/SSDAP3_ArithmeticOnTheMillArchitecture.pdf < 1537582906 673166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some computers have BCD, not only mainframe computers though < 1537583001 370216 :zgrep1!~zgrep@110.34.72.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537583108 336565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who wrote a game for NES used base 100 to score the score (rather than base ten). Some implementations of MIX also use base 100 (although it includes the instruction to display the numbers anyways) < 1537583128 27415 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :>score the score < 1537583216 997194 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a typical feature of the System Zs. < 1537583238 638649 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and its ancestry) < 1537583249 63036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1537583283 571260 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also exposed (and indeed, is kinda the default arithmetic type) in COBOL. < 1537583286 888588 :zgrep1!~zgrep@110.34.72.194 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537583299 608825 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'd expect it to be around on any environment where running COBOL was considered important. < 1537584114 93154 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537584273 977770 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537584401 385023 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537584405 577312 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537584763 482328 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL for the Commodore 64 exists. < 1537584781 351804 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abacus Software apparently implemented a lot of languages on C64 < 1537585554 333612 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537586468 645914 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537586498 931689 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537586634 620720 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537589328 312966 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:#esoteric < 1537594329 909108 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537595522 954742 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537596176 137753 :scorche|1h25!~scorche|1@186-92-117-245.genericrev.cantv.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537596325 151142 :scorche|1h25!~scorche|1@186-92-117-245.genericrev.cantv.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537597127 331807 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 100 is sort of a thing on a lot of byte-size cpus with support for a bcd-adjust instruction < 1537597144 267200 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the z80 and I think 6502 < 1537597208 200412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That seems like one of the less interesting things about the Mill, whether or not it's true. < 1537597229 192613 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HP saturn is one of my favorite CPUs because its native state is BCD < 1537597260 904491 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 64-bit cpu designed around 4-bit values < 1537597274 807294 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 4-bit cpu? idk how this works < 1537597373 437551 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537597385 737248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But z80 and 6502 are still binary computers, even though it has BCD < 1537597475 646165 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was looking at your reference to a NES game which used base 100 < 1537597481 604063 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 6502 < 1537597510 157174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NES doesn't have BCD though < 1537597526 389453 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a very long time since an acutal native BCD computer has been around 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:pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537640492 13713 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537640516 949669 :bylzz9!~bylzz@177.184.190.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537640799 438557 :bylzz9!~bylzz@177.184.190.236 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537642657 28764 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537643197 256686 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not new at all, but i figured out a pretty trival way to compile Befunge, if g and p are not used to modify code. < 1537643279 49877 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just build "strings" out of each possible program direction, and compile those individual conditional free strings < 1537643437 666339 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1537643449 661300 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone already thought of that. Eh, like i said, probably wasn't new < 1537643607 317024 :syd!~syd@196.20.242.89 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537643759 575666 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Furthermore, our TI columnist, C. Regena, suggests using RANDOMIZE before each call to RND to insure total randomness." < 1537643763 414900 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://archive.org/stream/1983-12-compute-magazine/Compute_Issue_043_1983_Dec#page/n49 < 1537644001 967374 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537644055 535160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1537644148 301430 :syd!~syd@196.20.242.89 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1537644165 308768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems weird, redoing a seed? < 1537644173 173175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know TI-99 basic < 1537644192 936774 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537644275 502875 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised how fun a SIMD language could be for codegolf. < 1537644278 492294 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to make one! < 1537645082 323533 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537645111 937884 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537645214 120816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I was joking < 1537645289 651814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: of course it could be that that particular RANDOMIZE incorporates the old seed at least, in which case it likely won't do any actual harm. < 1537645797 695019 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537645954 292896 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a revelation < 1537645995 12529 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how D&D has some of these class-alignment restrictions, where you can't use certain class abilities if you're not in the favored alignment(s) for the class? < 1537646036 627500 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of them as stupid, mostly because of the Paladin class. That class seemed bad to me because of the striking popular image of the white knight and the black knight, I didn't know why a knight could only fight for good. < 1537646054 408321 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know about Paladins, but at least I realized why some class-alignment restrictions actually make sense. < 1537646074 35306 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some in the real world too. And I always knew about them, I just didn't put the two together until this weekend. < 1537646108 808552 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A leading politician or a leading businessman must be Evil. < 1537646166 900384 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can still start a political or business carrer without being Evil, that is, you can take the class, but if you don't turn yourself to truly Evil, then you really won't be able to use the most powerful tools of those trades, and you almost certainly won't rise to the top. < 1537646199 386346 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why all the most successful politicians (presidents, etc) you see are Evil, though some are good at hiding it. < 1537646227 849991 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least after the second world war in Europe. Maybe the situation was different back when Ghandi lived, I really don't know. < 1537646270 97134 :clayg10!~clayg@151.70.204.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646284 745804 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the same is true for web designers at the big commercial sites like Facebook. The people developing eg. Facebook and Google must be Evil, or else they lose their best tools and their websites will never be one of the most successful ones. < 1537646325 68079 :clayg10!~clayg@151.70.204.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537646332 177010 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this started to make sense to me this weekend, when I saw the thoroughly Evil web design team of a big website do a Good redesign of the site. < 1537646356 887419 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's normal, they're still Evil. Even many Evil politicians sometimes do Good things, and I won't go into the details in politics, but I can tell about the web design case if you want. < 1537646427 65101 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the problem is that in this case, their Good act came off as unpopular in the established community of the website, perhaps because of the gut reaction that a redesign of a website must be bad (that's natural), or perhaps because they don't realize < 1537646480 582674 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, while this particular redesign takes away some shinies they were used to, it also really helps some potential new users, especially ones with vision problems who use a highly zoomed browser (but not a screened reader), who previously couldn't use the website through no fault of their own. < 1537646526 938993 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now there are some new browser capabilities widely available that can help on this, and although web designers usually misuse those new tools for Evil, THIS TIME these particular Evil web designers actually did something Good with them, < 1537646547 28951 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used the so-called "responsive design" tools for good and made a website that people with a zoomed browser can actually use. < 1537646570 265950 :zenethian17!~zenethian@120.86.109.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646594 757785 :zenethian17!~zenethian@120.86.109.68 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537646622 995771 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made a website that when zoomed to an effectively narrow window, still has all functionality availble, rather than hiding elements essential for navigation or making them inaccessible by having them disappear to outside the bounding boxes or overlap with other controls. < 1537646722 71812 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they did it for a totally Evil reason too: in this case the potential gain of new users who'll now be able to use the site is bigger for them, and they don't care about losing a few regulars who are upset about losing their shiny toys like "custom vote buttons" or "starry background" or "fancy header font" (I'm not kidding). < 1537646736 651713 :Gathis!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537646759 980817 :Gathis!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 NICK :Guest10237 < 1537646765 866827 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote a writeup that is mostly true but very selective about what it tells where I try to convince the established users that this one change is Good, while I'm silent about the web designers being Evil because I don't have to tell everything to them. < 1537647020 333744 :Guest10237!~Gathis@2402:800:6124:5db6:7cb9:de43:2426:ec3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537647135 308179 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdyysginrppuhznb QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537647414 354417 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1537647942 622104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some users could perhaps use programs such as Stylish and GreaseMonkey to alter it on their own computer if they want to do < 1537648213 703201 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkokfatohwdqccxw JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650811 13262 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650837 21948 :Gibheer23!~Gibheer@mm-125-95-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by JOIN :#esoteric < 1537650889 139204 :Gibheer23!~Gibheer@mm-125-95-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by QUIT :K-Lined < 1537651023 926100 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537652834 949233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to address a ARRL radiogram if the intended recipient is not expected to be at home? < 1537653092 61653 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's what I did < 1537653123 928819 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12100/4918 I share a user-style that you can use in your browser to regain one of those lost features, < 1537653183 310960 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and in https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/12103/4918 (cross-posted to https://scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12102/4918 ) I explain how the new design is good for the community because it will allow some users to join, < 1537653222 511847 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically I argue that people who are using large zoom in browser but no screen reader because of one of various vision problems will now be able to use the site. < 1537653254 600766 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the part that some new browser features have made possible, like the @media thing and the grid and flex layouts. < 1537653993 620259 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ARRL radiogram => is that a HAM thing? I don't know anything about HAM, and I don't recall anyone on this channel discussing it. < 1537654102 76413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is a HAM thing, I think. < 1537654119 63167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzhello38 < 1537654123 463998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1537654127 436973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta break that habit. < 1537654183 183362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do not need to post such a message at this time, but still would like to know how such thing would be work) < 1537654197 529726 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi schachaf < 1537654217 429035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi wob_njonas < 1537654274 256842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am also not sure how someone who is not a amateur radio operator would post such a message. I do know the format, although some fields will have to be filled in by the radio operator) < 1537654326 593133 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure you even need that sort of message? < 1537654367 367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are lvalues a good idea? < 1537654375 149183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages have something else? < 1537654383 689799 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you use some non-HAM thing, such as some postal service thing like a registered letter, a registered letter with returned receipt of delivery, a telegram, a telegram with a return receipt of delivery, etc? < 1537654387 805909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than ML and ALGOL 68 and assembly. < 1537654406 540858 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I don't have time for that discussion now. < 1537654419 891625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question was for the channel in this case. < 1537654432 390441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe zzo38 has an opinion. < 1537654645 444701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLISS needs a . operator to read from the specified address, but for writing you do not use that (unless it is a pointer you want to write through). < 1537654698 325000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Forth, normally a variable name is a constant which represents the address of the variable, and you then use @ to read and ! to write, although it is also possible to do something more like lvalues in C, with some tricks. < 1537654770 396610 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537654782 756312 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1537654830 398507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1537654851 382028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything with the convenience of C lvalues but also the simplicit of explicit addresses? < 1537654916 703260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe .X isn't so bad... < 1537654953 39075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, in practice these aren't real addresses becuase they might just refer to registers. < 1537654959 207829 :Kelsar16!~Kelsar@134.236.17.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537655016 654492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be the reasonable reason to have lvalues, I suppose, due to because sometimes they might be registers. < 1537655130 156942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's much of a reasonable reason. < 1537655138 711983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in C things with lvalues have addresses. < 1537655158 188263 :Kelsar16!~Kelsar@134.236.17.28 QUIT :Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) < 1537655160 69433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as long as you don't use those addresses the compiler is free to keep them in registers. So you could do the same thing here. < 1537655307 1773 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Some implementations of MIX also use base 100 (although it includes the instruction to display the numbers anyways) => the original intention for that was decimal arithmetic, but you can actually easiliy implement that in binary arithmetic with a 7-bit binary byte backing it too < 1537655390 166165 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the NUM and CHR instructions only need to divide by a *constant*, that can actually be implemented very efficiently at the gate level, or at software level on a modern computer with multiplication, and compilers do the latter routinely. it's even easier for an unsigned number like this is. < 1537655433 945880 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This took me a while to understand. When I read that the NUM and CHAR instructions take so few cycles, I was surprised because I thought they'd have to do like ten divisions on a base-64 MIX. They don't. < 1537655443 62529 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can really be that fast in a base-64 or base-anything MIX. < 1537655550 987258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIXPC always uses one 8-bit byte to store one MIX byte, regardless of what base is used for the MIX program (it supports any number from 64 to 100 for the base) < 1537655574 157925 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: regardless < 1537655588 988405 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 7 bits are practical because then you can put the 63 bits of a word in a 64-bit integer < 1537655592 47198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, OK, although C also has a "register" command (although optimizing compilers will decide itself to use a register or not instead) < 1537655594 547555 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1537655598 339525 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with 6 bits per byte < 1537655605 162267 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ... um, I can't count today < 1537655622 273902 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32-bit integer, 31 of its bits for 5 bytes of 6 bits each < 1537655627 222311 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 byte of sign < 1537655631 114057 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that was dumb of me < 1537655668 4550 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use the remaining bit as a warning for cells that have active IO in them, to warn about IO conflicts, or a warning for debugging tracepoints, or anything like that < 1537655689 486506 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a warning that the simulator has to look up in an external table whatever the hell is special about that cell and what it has to do when you access it < 1537655706 302748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can be done that way. < 1537655715 759593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to implement MIX in MMIX some time, too < 1537655736 988878 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice < 1537655769 942337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think "register" affects the semantics of a program, though? > 1537655800 341354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Qwertyu6314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57717&oldid=52302 5* 03Ais523 5* (+376) 10/* Unused image */ new section < 1537655848 440421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you are right it does not (actually, I don't know if it interacts with inline assembly code in any way; well, it might depend on the compiler) < 1537656255 225728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SML works the same way as BLISS, I think. < 1537656260 753038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this way of programming annoying? < 1537656283 211923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think so, but I don't know < 1537656488 718601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have an assignment operator like = : (Ref A,A) -> () < 1537656536 300833 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@c-67-161-161-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1537656638 295927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would suppose so (or to have like in C where the value is also the result value from the operator) < 1537656657 215276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's an option. < 1537656672 973668 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ance < 1537656674 222267 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, c < 1537656682 229335 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 ? ance < 1537656683 703710 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance. < 1537657094 883230 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 100 is sort of a thing on a lot of byte-size cpus with support for a bcd-adjust instruction => also the x86_16, and technically still possible on x86_32, but no longer on x86_64 < 1537657170 639137 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_16 has SIX decimal adjust instructions, four for one digit in a byte, two for two digits in a byte, for which there's a special flag storing the carry from bit 3 to bit 4 in byte additions and subtractions < 1537657191 860825 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_32 inherited these, but by the time x86_32 got popular, people no longer used them much I think < 1537657204 604467 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the 8087 has a decimal float format < 1537657992 2361 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.8.50.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537658704 607166 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: re "they're going to have to do the thing with the thing", < 1537658712 833319 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only just read OOTS #1141, I was so busy. Now I see why some people were so excited about the current OOTS storyline. Some of them effectively guessed the ending of #1141 a few strips before. And someone asked exactly about whether that statement in the last but one panel was true. I thought it wasn't. It is, or so the guy in this strip claims. < 1537658737 520548 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ only just/I&/ < 1537658785 863508 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't understand what thing you say they'll have to do < 1537658812 489792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the thing" = the dark one < 1537658817 129117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second thing < 1537658822 135253 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1537658828 87822 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part is clear < 1537658845 810604 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either him or the one they don't speak of < 1537658911 650948 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the first thing? reinforce? < 1537658936 562131 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tear down this one and make a new with him? < 1537658961 120914 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really can't guess < 1537658982 826738 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you give a hint of what you're thinking? < 1537659025 19391 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without spoilers, there are other o fans here, or in priv < 1537659255 957505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one they don't speak of? < 1537659262 782839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I really had anything coherent in mind. < 1537659285 236276 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, is his ity supposed to be the shortest wavelength one, or are they actually more like equal strength and combining to a more powerful whole, like the five colors of M:tG (but without the different moralities implied), or like Captain Planet from the five rings, or < 1537659337 302987 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even guaranteed to be symmetric by some physics invariance law like the three colors of quarks, or perhaps were originally symmetric but the field of the one they don't speak of caused spontaneous symmetry breaking by banning all the green ity? < 1537659362 912438 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the gods don't speak of the tangly one to mortals. the guy said that a few strips ago. < 1537659432 650764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why you expect quarks or even wavelengths to exist in this world. < 1537659453 934864 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #1137 seventh panel < 1537659489 181096 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not quarks specifically, I'm just asking if the ities are equal, or were equal until the tangly one killed them, or if they were originally ranked by strength < 1537659521 755137 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quark colors is just a stupid analogy, I only said that because it's clear that these aren't really about the visible colors either, just like the M:tG colors aren't either < 1537659536 262734 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colors are just a convenient representation for the comic strip < 1537659581 425062 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, as in "pretty pictures" #13 < 1537659616 617243 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy is also doing the pretty pictures thing for plot exposition in #1141 < 1537659651 857428 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying that he's using the same bard ability, just that he also creates pretty pictures for plot exposition < 1537659723 702858 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you know, the dark one has different origins, so maybe his ity is different < 1537659746 176994 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the original four ities were equal, this one could be different < 1537659774 794504 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy with the purple color Mark says he was trying for M:tG Future Sight is hard to avoid too < 1537659804 620127 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no < 1537659808 8203 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not that < 1537659821 515767 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=23383311 is a more plausible explanation of the purple ity < 1537659865 229151 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the spontaneous symmetry breaking analogy is real < 1537659878 603478 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the tangly one actually cared which color he killed < 1537659880 144903 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was random < 1537659913 74515 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really sounds like the lack of green ity was like spontanous symmetry breaking in physics < 1537659930 805712 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's hard to believe that the four itites weren't equal, regardless what the fifth is and whether there could be more than five < 1537660335 366423 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wkokfatohwdqccxw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537660718 563439 :wob_jonas!b03f1899@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Another SMBC that plays on the same thing as xkcd. http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/vas https://www.xkcd.com/644/