< 1537144176 779015 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537144298 971210 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537144326 495831 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537144330 104810 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1537144444 769204 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537144692 935842 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537144865 415303 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537145634 368358 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537145923 212350 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537146222 274567 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537146468 47011 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1537146744 796440 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537147539 16867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to do CSS so that after the counter reaches a specific number then it resets and uses a different style for the numbers after that? < 1537148467 527147 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537148727 472069 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537149344 995572 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to be fun. I just bought the last copy of the MC88100's manual off ebay. If i end up not buying a MC88100 to play with, i'll resell it, tho. < 1537150097 694233 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537150624 349969 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537150878 386343 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537152206 495452 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1537152528 352860 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1537152576 844179 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537153394 948561 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1537154101 569574 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537154131 231451 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwtmjlwcoztokdsz JOIN :#esoteric < 1537154982 590008 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:xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhgorjodacttjsrj JOIN :#esoteric < 1537183744 157148 :DarkMukke!~DarkMukke@148.0.38.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537183915 68783 :DarkMukke!~DarkMukke@148.0.38.8 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537185271 968746 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1537186174 536602 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537187888 789131 :john_metcalf!~digital_w@host81-136-81-240.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537189729 56752 :APic!apic@chiptune.apic.name QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1537190031 724188 :codepreneur14!~codeprene@ZE019036.ppp.dion.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1537190090 36200 :codepreneur14!~codeprene@ZE019036.ppp.dion.ne.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537190960 400995 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@46.191.139.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537191169 106 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537191671 764457 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed JOIN :#esoteric < 1537192095 285928 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537192182 413888 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re CSS lists, perhaps see "https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-counter-styles-3-20130221/#fixed-system" or "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@counter-style#Examples" < 1537192674 534772 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: see also the range and fallback proeprties in @counter-style < 1537192692 976831 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be on the same page but not necessarily in the same section < 1537192712 564825 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. there's a @counter-style definition given for roman numerals and more < 1537193105 283076 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot to list this < 1537193108 81883 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/dick/ < 1537193109 503504 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/dick/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale < 1537193119 314815 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, different meaning of list < 1537193328 641641 :nosomebodies!4f88ad9f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.136.173.159 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537194714 703248 :wob_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537194833 401162 :minion8!~minion@94.232.66.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537195017 615308 :minion8!~minion@94.232.66.164 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537198337 700347 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537199269 418261 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537199752 482870 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil idea: < 1537199814 975211 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@natx-145.kulnet.kuleuven.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1537199817 687470 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write all your SQL like this InSeRt InTo snacks VaLuEs < 1537199985 427898 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sElEcT name FrOm users wHeRe region < 1537200125 569071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is case-insensitive and so can accept that, but I do not intend to do like that (I don't know how it affects compression, but I expect probably if you write in all uppercase or all lowercase instead of mixed up, it can be compress better) < 1537200870 920061 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537201250 730100 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1537202191 625680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that it is possible in ZZT (although an external editor is needed) for a program to create a passage in one location but with different destinations based on some conditions? I have recently figured out how. < 1537202356 676134 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/pwnsdx/status/1040944750973595649 < 1537202364 526713 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, apple shite < 1537202434 390611 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537204504 100913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1537207486 526044 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537207622 488884 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you all? < 1537207757 150719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hib_jonas < 1537207776 405052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm generally OK, even positive, but also stressed < 1537207792 664028 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1537208866 626797 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking news, Pedo Guy sues Elongated Muskrat < 1537210296 935678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like ZZT? I have figured out enough stuff about ZZT (including possible reasons for all of the bugs, although I am not entirely sure, but implementing them in the way I think it works hopefully would work), that probably a free clone can be made. < 1537210370 183149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this use of external editor to make all sort of stuff like how they decided to avoid using the screen-generator for BANCstar because it is too limited, so they wrote the codes by themself, the use of external editors with ZZT also avoid the too limited functions of the built-in editor of ZZT. < 1537210464 663443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made XYZABCDE.ZZT by the built-in editor, but sequel might using ZZTQED instead. < 1537210890 650207 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know of the SNES puzzle game called Trodderls? < 1537210903 863991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do not know. How is it work? < 1537211124 836004 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but johannhowitzer says in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrbPGNGDLD4 that it's a well-designed puzzle game. < 1537211140 201551 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen any gamplay, but that seems like an interesting recommendation. < 1537211350 65922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uses of these stuff in ZZT can become much strange, e.g. to make a conditional passage, a program shoots a bullet into a stat water with cycle 1, the stats of the passage, and a direction aiming at another stat water that this time has cycle 1, a passage underneath, and a direction aiming into a wall. These directions are not even directions that can be set using the built-in editor. < 1537212090 555472 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1537212145 372839 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-73-157-90-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537212345 673072 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in the windows 3 puzzle game Kye, almost anything you can do by editing an ascii level file, you can also do with the built-in editor. But the puzzle file format is quite simple, the map is just a rectangle of ascii characters, each with a fixed tile as its meaning, you can place any tile with the editor, there's a few restrictions like Kye < 1537212345 809181 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the player character) has to be in exactly one space but < 1537212380 989840 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC those are enforced if you edit the ascii file too, and there's a few lines of meta-info per level, like the level name and password and the message that pops up when you enter the level. < 1537212705 341550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other programs doing like that too, including some game program I write it does that, although there is no password; you can select whatever level you want < 1537212725 616924 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the level file is plain ascii, I can just read the passwords. < 1537212745 165882 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't ruin the game, the passwords aren't really important < 1537212760 513955 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that was before we'd just download a list of passwords from the internet, but still < 1537214236 120610 :wob_jonas!b03f1845@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.69 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1537216915 450790 :DrMax_3!~DrMax_@41.232.161.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537217208 922812 :DrMax_3!~DrMax_@41.232.161.90 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537220613 272817 :xadammr1!~xadammr@218.4.204.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537220900 783740 :xadammr1!~xadammr@218.4.204.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537221667 783186 :sleepnap!~thomas@2603:3015:260e:1900::13ed PART :#esoteric < 1537222349 744282 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1537223732 148827 :tigermousr2!~tigermous@host86-163-131-36.range86-163.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1537223777 684023 :tigermousr2!~tigermous@host86-163-131-36.range86-163.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537224777 170155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537225356 159462 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537225721 6618 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537226210 104470 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting < 1537226819 493949 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537227092 272986 :noodle7!~noodle@41.232.179.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1537227143 660544 :noodle7!~noodle@41.232.179.222 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1537227776 881863 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwtmjlwcoztokdsz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1537227777 497316 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1537228027 338591 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1537228353 437506 :bradcomp!~bradcomp@38.104.142.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds