< 1536451256 163856 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536451284 292289 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know if you care about any of these things, but today *I* (1) found out that a week ago the National Museum of Brazil burned down, destroying most of a large collection of intellectually valuable items, which made me sad, (b) I broke a lens of my glasses, then immediately after that I got a hole on the exercise ball I was sitting on < 1536451284 386430 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :, probably from a sharp splinter from the lens. < 1536451301 354267 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\(b\)/(2)/ < 1536451325 74269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it's important that for the future we try to store things in a form that's easily copiable < 1536451336 473116 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's perl regex syntax, not sed or ex... which one do we customarily use in s/// substitutions on IRC < 1536451337 507403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we can have copies of them all over the place to help protect against disasters < 1536451349 687011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we mostly use PCRE here because we're more familiar with it < 1536451366 969873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Perl, Perl and PCRE are sufficiently similar that you need to know a lot about regexes to tell them apart < 1536451371 218986 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, very few people know how ex regexen wrok < 1536451389 786361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I think it hardly care since usually you know by context since you are not using it as a computer code. < 1536451407 305907 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some people on #esoteric use sed in HackEso and don't like when I use perl in HackEso at the same time < 1536451408 573459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is more common though. < 1536451438 287732 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe those people would use sed regexen < 1536451450 190252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should use perl6 regex syntax, which is totally different from all the others < 1536451455 385996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that? Do they have both sed and perl in HackEso, I should think, then you can use whatever you use. < 1536451494 732143 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and wait, < 1536451499 430280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackeso has Perl installed < 1536451536 228252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have the latest version of SQLite on HaskEso? < 1536451540 575163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $/.=x; print for 1..5; < 1536451541 382771 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :12345 < 1536451548 289099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1536451551 130679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $\.=x; print for 1..5; < 1536451551 788388 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x2x3x4x5x < 1536451557 704024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e $\.=x, print for 1..5; < 1536451558 428033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x2xx3xxx4xxxx5xxxxx < 1536451560 723015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1536451605 15582 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think you'll actually care about this at least a bit: (3) what I learned about English today: a "stirrup jar" has nothing to do with a "stirrup". I got suspicious after reading two independent mentions about "stirrup jar" as an archaeological find dated to the bronze in short sequence, and so I looked up the meaning. < 1536451633 197649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing is not that surprising < 1536451638 672413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is not a very logical language < 1536451727 802358 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl-e print unpack "x*(a*\@0X)*(a*@)*", "hello\n"; < 1536451728 775192 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ o \ lo \ llo \ ello \ hello \ ello \ llo \ lo \ o < 1536451829 648024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! jelly < 1536451830 318034 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/jelly: not found < 1536451835 978214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have some golfing language interpreters in there, really < 1536451845 606335 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `! < 1536451846 863857 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`! is a command that runs interpreters. Supposedly. Nobody actually uses it, or knows how it works. It has some historical significance, where it originally replaced some previous bot of #esoteric that was not as customizable as HackEgo. < 1536451882 95259 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ if you know any first-hand stuff about `! or that previous bot, perhaps you should edit some more truthful or more informative wisdom there < 1536451893 682979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this one entirely on heresay < 1536451896 43970 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1536451922 304889 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1536451978 480480 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, about HackEso, do you happen to know why the hg history seems to go back only to 2011, while HackEso is definitely older than that? < 1536451983 605438 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1536451986 846319 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is older than that < 1536451987 387163 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellonas < 1536451997 452082 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo isn't < 1536452010 718103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!learn `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452011 758729 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the HackEgo hg history goes back to way before HackEso < 1536452015 212484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452017 342141 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned '`': `! emulates the ! command of our former bot EgoBot. You write `! then the name of the language then a program, and it runs the program you give and returns the result. We used to use it to test out esoprograms in-channel all the time, but the set of included esolangs is fairly old now and so it's rarely used. < 1536452018 434175 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Gregor had a habit of sometimes squashing history in the beginning < 1536452038 273884 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for saving space? < 1536452044 179853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +++++++++++.[+.] < 1536452045 716595 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ < 1536452047 358832 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "Initial import" messages are from when he did that. < 1536452052 800815 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: presumably. < 1536452055 531270 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it slow down hg commit? < 1536452057 965797 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last) < 1536452064 711237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't seem to work very well nowadays < 1536452068 202886 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: perhaps? < 1536452096 172369 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was the latter, then I would hope he backed up the squashed parts somewhere, but maybe HackEgo didn't seem as important back then < 1536452107 758072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: EgoBot also used to allow you to write new interpreters in languages it already knew; most notably, it didn't know how to interpret Underload, so we taught it using an implementation in brainfuck < 1536452110 220062 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what doesn't seem to work very well? < 1536452118 75499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: `! < 1536452124 530406 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536452127 939237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++.[+] < 1536452139 265991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess it works better than fungot who isn't here at all right now < 1536452205 216397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the stalker server actually working at all? < 1536452215 673646 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd guess that `! references programs outside the hg repository, and those aren't present in HackEso's fs < 1536452230 706947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, but I think something might have gone wrong in the changeover < 1536452238 459699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! kipple 65>o < 1536452239 75617 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1536452243 21376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! kipple 65>o<66 < 1536452243 695033 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BA < 1536452259 117302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that one's working < 1536452290 401171 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be a working haskell at one point. < 1536452293 406505 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, in that case, maybe some interpreters that `! calls reference programs outside the hg repository < 1536452315 684414 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a more comfortable vice.js than vice.js < 1536452317 929320 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know `! itself is like two simple shell scripts or something that just call on the interpreters from a directory < 1536452321 770941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452322 431160 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/intercal: not found < 1536452324 890861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c-intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452325 693486 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/c-intercal: not found < 1536452329 713980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c_intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452330 474129 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/c_intercal: not found < 1536452332 815412 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of those interpreters calls a C compiler < 1536452337 112741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought we spent a while getting that workign a while ago < 1536452349 177996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452349 798512 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: intercal: not found < 1536452360 511229 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` /bin/ls ibin < 1536452361 606820 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ bf_txtgen \ boolfuck \ c \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ dimensifuck \ forth \ glass \ glypho \ haskell \ help \ java \ k \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ lua \ malbolge \ pbrain \ perl \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ sh \ slashes \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda \ whirl < 1536452382 724377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen Hello, world! < 1536452383 491644 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibin/bf_txtgen: line 6: java: command not found < 1536452391 768265 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess intercal wasn't one of the ones we got working < 1536452398 294473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java Main < 1536452399 44240 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: java: not found < 1536452415 342895 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suppose java was always outside, and fizzie hasn't included it < 1536452420 412786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a lot of effort to fit Java on a line of IRC as it is < 1536452428 847948 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main() { printf("hello, world."); } < 1536452430 35419 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452431 971332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that list is shorter than I remember < 1536452435 77958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! intercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452435 889565 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/intercal: not found < 1536452437 138873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! cintercal DO READ OUT #5 DO GIVE UP < 1536452438 53228 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: 1: gcc: not found < 1536452440 505266 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main() { printf("hello, world."); return 0; } < 1536452441 690045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1536452441 784116 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452446 134685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't work, but at least I remember the name < 1536452446 384254 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c int main( void) { printf("hello, world."); return 0; } < 1536452447 362403 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452465 207030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC !c / `! c is very finicky aobut trying to get it to work < 1536452471 879000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! c printf("Hello, world!\n"); < 1536452472 850294 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1536452483 50469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to work for both full programs and program fragments < 1536452486 677312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither actually does < 1536452498 453498 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which gcc < 1536452499 114011 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452503 825969 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well you just got "gcc: not found" above, which could be an alternate explanation < 1536452505 106353 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's that bad... < 1536452505 273052 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that < 1536452527 925576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` gcc < 1536452528 663834 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: gcc: command not found < 1536452529 977828 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k 'hello' < 1536452530 976735 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452530 976764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cc < 1536452531 854378 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/cc: 2: /hackenv/bin/cc: gcc: not found < 1536452545 622504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cc must be a wrapper for gcc, which isn't there < 1536452548 222245 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k ' < 1536452549 127811 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452552 136537 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k + < 1536452553 58203 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452554 879061 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! k < 1536452554 977936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`find / -name '*cc' < 1536452555 774004 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: ‘/ -name '*cc'’: No such file or directory < 1536452556 40047 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!"#$%^&* 0123456789 < 1536452560 919384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '*cc' < 1536452585 994407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair that find command will probably time out, reading the entire filesystem is fairly slow < 1536452591 182902 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is k? there's at least two languages called that, and ... come on, what language prints this for no input? < 1536452591 443333 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find: ‘/proc/tty/driver’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/task/1/ns’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/map_files’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/fdinfo’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/1/ns’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/2/task/2/fd’: Permission denied \ find: ‘/proc/ < 1536452601 897492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` find / -name '*cc' 2>/dev/null < 1536452621 803338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, it's just an ASCII table, so it's not /that/ implausilbe < 1536452632 539494 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452633 644406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sgeo.github.io/experimental/vice32/x64.html < 1536452637 670466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, except for that gap between * and 0 < 1536452662 916152 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does -name take globs? < 1536452683 772729 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where cc < 1536452684 551338 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found < 1536452689 838033 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/K doesn't explicitly mention that that's the default output < 1536452700 315823 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1536452705 857358 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also way too new < 1536452709 479114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1536452724 419836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most common use of find IME so I'm quite familiar with it < 1536452726 202573 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be Arthur Whitney's K either < 1536452734 143239 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was what I was hoping for < 1536452750 931297 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which -a cc < 1536452751 794509 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/cc < 1536452763 584606 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` which -a tcc < 1536452764 998660 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536452774 938596 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that that's the most common use of find < 1536452809 462145 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url ibin/k < 1536452810 346409 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/ibin/k < 1536452832 348989 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1536452837 108031 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/k < 1536452837 812798 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1536452849 288129 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag ibin/k < 1536452850 914469 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075:2012-12-14 mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep \'\\. lib/interp\' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf \'#!/bin/sh\\nCMD=`cut -d\' \' -f1 "$1"`\\nARG=`cut -d\' \' -f2- "$2"`\\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"\' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1536452853 30823 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536452877 647706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we're seeing the aftermath of a prank played back in 2012 < 1536452895 308038 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would like to add that since Windows's default GUI lost the easy way to search for a file on the fs or in a directory recursively by name, and that sucks, but you can just install git for windows to get a working unix find, and it's a standalone program you can just execute from cmd without any environment variable or library or msys or mingw c < 1536452895 402252 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omplications. < 1536452921 965376 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be careful because the Windows path already has an executable named FIND < 1536452930 438865 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherited from DOS < 1536452945 464251 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I use a batch file with a different name to invoke the unix-style find < 1536453016 667055 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1536453030 658717 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag lib/interp/k < 1536453032 395109 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1536453051 440104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general culture in #esoteric has changed over time < 1536453057 945545 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536453062 401390 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` for x in ibin/*; do cmp -s "$x" ibin/k && echo "k=$x"; done < 1536453064 267514 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k=ibin/k < 1536453076 411226 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no other copies < 1536453094 242569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time since I've seen anyone esoprogramming live in the channel, for example < 1536453131 232201 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I did that at some point, but yes, a long way < 1536453156 231380 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least if you count obfuscated programming or golf rather than programming in an esoteric language < 1536453184 427524 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/k < 1536453186 206680 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075:2012-12-14 mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep \'\\. lib/interp\' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf \'#!/bin/sh\\nCMD=`cut -d\' \' -f1 "$1"`\\nARG=`cut -d\' \' -f2- "$2"`\\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"\' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp \ 0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. < 1536453238 40683 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` hg cat -r 0 bin/k < 1536453239 159106 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1536453278 364594 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hg log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}" < 1536453279 715055 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg: unknown command 'log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}"' \ Mercurial Distributed SCM \ \ basic commands: \ \ add add the specified files on the next commit \ annotate show changeset information by line for each file \ clone make a copy of an existing repository \ commit commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \ diff diff repository (or selected files) \ export dump the header and dif < 1536453279 925551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golfing programs only became popular here fairly recently < 1536453285 605674 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` hg log -r 1075 --template "{rev} | {files}" < 1536453286 932216 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1075 | bin/1l bin/2l bin/? bin/@ bin/adjust bin/asm bin/axo bin/bch bin/befunge bin/befunge98 bin/bf bin/bf16 bin/bf32 bin/bf8 bin/boolfuck bin/c bin/cintercal bin/clcintercal bin/cxx bin/dimensifuck bin/forth bin/glass bin/glypho bin/haskell bin/k bin/kipple bin/lambda bin/lazyk bin/linguine bin/malbolge bin/pbrain bin/qbf bin/rail bin/rhotor bin/sadol bin/sceql bin/sh bin/trigger bin/udage01 bin/underload bin/unlambda bin/whirl ibin/1l ibin/2l ibin/? ibi < 1536453295 114874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I think people thought of program shortening as demoscene-type stuff like the IOCCC < 1536453304 939614 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think k was an irrelevant program that just happened to match Gregor's grep < 1536453318 821716 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus got moved into ibin < 1536453319 430617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, that's plausible < 1536453342 740074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's surprising how outdated that list of languages is nowadays < 1536453352 999447 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot could run from pastebins, that's how it handled larger programs < 1536453353 468761 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I'd like to take partial credit for programming in Borland C in DOS live on #esoteric-spam or whatever that side channel is called < 1536453371 406728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea with hackego was /meant/ to be that we'd keep it up to date with new languages as time goes on < 1536453381 819886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead it became a playground for stupidity and messing around < 1536453410 914079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do both < 1536453422 861623 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did wisdom and quotes start? does it predate HackEgo? did EgoBot handle them? < 1536453431 409729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: they came shortly after HackEgo did < 1536453446 93223 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1536453457 924982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot didn't have anything like that, it was only marginally stateful and the state was frequently wiped < 1536453477 917822 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can totally see the wisdom database being something worth to save from EgoBot, and there are a ton of IRC bots on other channels that do learn-like stuff < 1536453548 581502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow our wisdom database ended up mostly full of bad puns rather than useful facts < 1536453578 464587 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of reasonable on this channel < 1536453591 265414 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, given the general culture of esolangs < 1536453603 893881 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the old joke languages and INTERCAL's bad puns < 1536453631 6564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't many puns in INTERCAL < 1536453698 961123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of humour and ridiculousness but it's of a different type, I think < 1536453771 413705 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe not puns, but I think some of the humor is similar. the class/lesson thing in modern intercal is definitely based on a bad pun, and I think it's in line with existing intercal culture. < 1536453886 299892 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird because "class" for a set of related lectures reminds me more of american english than british english, and yet Claudio Calvelli is Scottish < 1536453988 468783 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about "class" as a group of students sitting together on yhe same school lessons? < 1536454001 890021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that works in British English < 1536454044 876897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "classes and lectures" puts the setting as a university, which normally doesn't have that sort of class because the various peoples' schedules are so varied < 1536454070 276050 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't really know how intercal classes work < 1536454099 243838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty much equivalent to some standard mildly-OO primitive < 1536454110 835748 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: i think stirrup jars are named because of the shape of the handle < 1536454141 283581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not an expert on the bits of CLC-INTERCAL that I didn't add to C-INTERCAL < 1536454192 305438 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting < 1536454258 585825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apparently really crazy part is the "belongs to / enslave" operation (which is a separate feature that's mentioned alongside the OO stuff), which apparently is entirely different from a pointer < 1536454271 245794 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, "stirrup jar" isn't even in my Oxford dictionary. mind you, it has five other phrases starting with "stirrup" < 1536454285 179321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although operand overloading seems to be a sufficiently good to handle call-by-reference anyway < 1536454424 732060 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as very often, zzo38 is the one you'd have to ask < 1536454442 7915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fungot outage is because I've moved and haven't set everything up. < 1536454455 10460 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie! < 1536454461 448543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalker mode should be up and running though. < 1536454465 829428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for me, anyway. < 1536454471 36987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hob_jonas. < 1536454500 994995 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ais523 and fizzie: https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-09-07.html#lsb most quoted nicks. < 1536454525 14351 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is second in the list, and ais523 fifth < 1536454565 109204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise I was that quotable < 1536454570 445683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1536454571 381653 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the "formally trained for tuning harps" quote < 1536454571 480465 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :24) after all, what are DVD players for? \ 69) so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? \ 70) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 77) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) \ 78) theory: some amused deity is making the laws of < 1536454618 846686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote end to all < 1536454619 527583 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all. < 1536454623 376579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one fungot quote I remember. < 1536454634 222507 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not just about being quotable, but the other factor (literally) about having cumulatively participated much in this channel, despite how rarely you enter these days < 1536454657 643906 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do enter, you often get into *interesting* conversations < 1536454672 486197 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote harp < 1536454673 330745 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1290) hmm, I just remembered that I was formally trained to tune harps < 1536454700 102874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm not a fan of boring conversations < 1536454723 449702 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked for the statistics after getting two adjacent lines in quotes added by different users < 1536454723 561399 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually cut back on idling here considerably a while ago because it wasn't having interesting conversations any more (although it's improved since), I was mostly gone for months < 1536454762 212263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a different situation from the one where I cut back on IRC altogether because I was busy) < 1536454764 985269 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the annoying part, for me, is that you're always here at late night, and those interesting conversations keep me from sleeping < 1536454803 201225 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that night schedule also the problem why I chose to not visit twitch.tv at all for a while < 1536454817 436621 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motivated me too much to stay up late < 1536454828 655279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it hard to stick to the same day/night schedule as other people in my time zone < 1536454834 199161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to creep forwards over time < 1536454852 71714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although more recently I've had luck with allowing my schedule to get later and later and then resetting it with a very short day < 1536454853 868319 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. but that's why I have to protect myself against things that motivate me. < 1536454903 92724 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1536454904 80296 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that \ 305) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 306) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) < < 1536454913 389129 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use to reset with very long days, although if i try to hard it backfires < 1536454918 622476 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1536454942 195268 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become harder over the years < 1536454945 846268 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? 352 doesn't seem to match that. < 1536454974 806893 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1536454977 310660 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive quotes < 1536455019 635185 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the django recursions were a bit of a slow-running gag for a while < 1536455021 270583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner was annoyed at being quoted only with relation to django, so obviously people ended up added more olsner/django quotes (many of which were just quotes of each other) < 1536455063 1019 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 316 < 1536455063 892658 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :316) two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django < 1536455103 323914 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even worse < 1536455117 537793 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 317 < 1536455118 627094 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :317) `addquote two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django elliott_: another quote? you're not helping :/ < 1536455123 275811 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the other day i was thinking about the english "buffalo buffalo buffalo ..." thing and remembered that "hogy hogy hogy" quote. how many "hogy" can you have in sequence in grammatically correct hungarian? < 1536455167 408039 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536455228 214862 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(allowing punctuation) < 1536455232 116408 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think there's a limit, but "hogy" is a pretty common word and a grammar word, sort of like "que" in French, and Hungarian speakers tend to avoid or drop adjacent instances of "hogy" less often than French speakers tend to avoid or drop adjacent instances of "que" < 1536455247 26559 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "buffalo" at all < 1536455250 891516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: anyway, one thing I was thinking about recently is "what's the computational class of contract bridge", then realised that we're focusing on the play (not the auctions) so we actually care about whist < 1536455264 150484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: more like "had"? < 1536455289 114887 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2012-08-07.2061.html about double "que" < 1536455321 2118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current belief is that if you generalise it by allowing arbitrarily large numbers of suits and cards per suit, it becomes NP-complete, (I think you can probably implement subset sum in it), but I'm not sure because it represents numbers in unary and that can mess up NP-completeness proofs < 1536455345 830197 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, more like "that", but worse. English has "that that" pretty often, but the uses of "que" and "hogy" make it even worse, making triples more likely. "that that that" is unlikely in English. < 1536455405 17018 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, so you'd increase the number of suits too, not just the number of ranks? hmm < 1536455419 793594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to generalise it in just one direction < 1536455422 897536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two is easier to program in < 1536455457 111226 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536455458 183993 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough bridge to really guess this, sadly. people tried to teach me once, but I determined it's not the game for me, so by now I forgot all the tactics < 1536455482 858859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really interested in it < 1536455487 854178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but programming in it isn't much like actually playing it < 1536455554 255674 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still remember a bit of ulti and snapszer tactics, they're still related games with taking tricks in rounds, each player playing one card per round in turn order, last person to take tricks calls, must follow suit if can, and in ulti there may be a trump color, in snapszer there always is < 1536455582 670391 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in actual tactics and strategy and feel, they're totally different games from bridge or, I think, whist < 1536455691 430822 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in some sense the game of whist play you are considering is in some form the essential pure form of a four-player trick card game < 1536455727 261883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whist is basically the simplest case of a four-player trick-taking game, with the only real twist being that the scores for players sitting opposite are added together (they count as allies) so you can try to give tricks to your partner rather than taking them yourself < 1536455777 785959 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas snapszer has one of two different twists on it (depending on whether it's three or four-player snapszer, or two-player snapszer, which are very different games), and ulti has so many twists the whole thing is unrecognizable < 1536455794 274773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to play whist < 1536455860 144710 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( he said, whistfully ) < 1536456010 39444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the reason I like contract bridge is that trying to create bidding systems is a bit like esoprogramming < 1536456024 243675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you're creating a language to communicate to humans, not computers, you have a very limited bandwidth with which to do so < 1536456123 570371 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's sort of like creating a golf language, but with the golf scoring being less straightforward than just "you get this many bits"? < 1536456147 415050 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can sort of see the similarity < 1536456337 119668 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there was a better post somewhere on David's blog about "que que", but I can't find it now < 1536456475 820890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the hard part is that you're trying to agree on the best contract to play in but you have to realise what it is before you go past it < 1536456497 216890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the last bid is the one you play in and each bid has to be strictly greater than the one before < 1536456507 949786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so part of your communication is trying to establish how many bits you have left! < 1536456562 620253 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: high-level play of contract bridge also has such an esoprogramming aspect, because some people have systems to encode information useful for their partner in the little noise in their cards played, eg. when replying with an odd or even low card from a color you're long at indicates (with a low correlation) which of the two other non-trump c < 1536456562 714139 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olors you want called < 1536456604 243486 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think whist could theoretically have such a system, and in generalized whist that could be strengthened < 1536456618 489527 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the best strategy for a pair playing whist isn't obvious < 1536456649 801105 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these signaling systems feel like golf-eso-programming the same way as bidding systems < 1536456668 105137 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the bidding system has a much larger impact on real games of bridge < 1536456681 261504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the signalling is actually more important < 1536456742 892202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say good play means you score 10 tricks rather than 9, and it's close in the bidding so you bid either 4 Hearts (a promise to reach 10 tricks) or 3 Hearts (a promise to reach 9) < 1536456759 775832 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: signaling certainly, but the part of the signaling system that you're free to create, rather than the part where much of the signaling system is determined by the rules and playing to win < 1536456763 850862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bidding and making 10 scores the most, then making 10 but bidding 9, then making 9 but bidding 9, then making 9 but bidding 10 < 1536456797 402986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so getting more tricks in the play has a larger impact in the score than bidding to the right level, as long as you're somewhere near where you're supposed to be < 1536456833 49083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, bridge's rules are incredibly non-objective < 1536456846 639521 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seeems like you get more noise bits to use in the bidding system, and so few noise bits during play that you rarely get games when the custom signaling system makes any difference, but very often get games when the crazy custom bidding system decides the game < 1536456846 876050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most places "encrypted signals" are banned, and "dual meaning signals" are banned except when discarding < 1536456850 712767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these aren't precisely defined anywhere < 1536456867 17136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the defenders get huge numbers of noise bits during the play < 1536456879 690909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you're defending, most of the tricks are highly likely to be unwinnable < 1536456889 504108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on most tricks you have a choice of useless cards to discard < 1536456935 632850 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they aren't encrypted. you're signaling during play as the defender, and they help your partner even if the lone player knows what you're signaling, just like how the bidding system helps your partner even if your opponent knows what your bids mean < 1536456948 635018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 13 tricks per round, I'd say that on half of them both defenders get a chance to signal, on the most of the others one will < 1536456954 250331 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what you mean by "dual meaning signals" though < 1536457003 396914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well "encrypted signals" is things like "from the bidding we know that one of us has the King of Diamonds but the declarer doesn't know which, so let's signal 'either I have an even number of hearts and the King of Diamonds, or I have an odd number of hearts but not the King of Diamodns'" < 1536457026 803646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual meaning signals is basically encoding more than one bit into a single discard < 1536457035 663505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a single follow (you're allowed to do it on a discard) < 1536457053 976198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because such signals are so prone to being misunderstood or not having an appropriate card that it makes the result of the game kind-of random < 1536457064 886028 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so by encrypted signals, you don't mean signals when the opponent team doesn't get the key < 1536457084 466839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; they know what the signal /means/ but don't have enough information to deduce anything useful from the meaning < 1536457114 13091 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're signals _deliberately_ seeded by information hidden from the opponent, as opposed to all the information your partner automatically gets to understand from knowing his hand but the opponent doesn't understand < 1536457119 467830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536457124 247408 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1536457234 557618 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are encrypted meanings allowed in the bidding system? because it seems hard to define what would count as deliberately seeded, versus just a consequence of trying to get the best bidding system and using all the information your partner already has < 1536457315 585791 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's normal for some meanings in a bidding system to be ambiguous and that they're optimized for that the partner can disambiguate them from his hand < 1536457403 483438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: encryption of that sort is allowed < 1536457418 275357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the most commonly seen conventions, 4NT blackwood, just shows the number of aces you hold < 1536457440 878769 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that the one that shows the number of aces modulo 4 or modulo 3? < 1536457447 946279 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536457456 405080 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back pimlu < 1536457457 550260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's sort-of an encrypted convention because there's no way to figure out which < 1536457467 590894 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we didn't scare you away after your first day? good < 1536457469 206006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there are multiple versions of it, the original was mod 4 < 1536457480 398584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pimlu the person who wrote the optimized Fractran interpreter? < 1536457485 83968 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1536457488 205173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like optimized esolang interpreters < 1536457517 143615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's most interesting when they "decompile" the esolang into higher-level constructs which they can simulate all at once < 1536457520 678336 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand that, given your perverse fascination in turing tarpits that force a slowdown worse than fractran < 1536457522 707393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like the "polynomial loop optimisation" in BF) < 1536457535 858306 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1536457544 264364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, the way I look at it, the language is designed to convey /meaning/ < 1536457553 571241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make sense that the language should have to convey an /algorithm/ too < 1536457562 933000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifying an algorithm is just one way to specify a meaning, and not even a commonly used on < 1536457564 551710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one < 1536457594 807203 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after studying making writeups about (0) < 1536457597 703556 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1536457632 339979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after studying Amycus and (0), it's now pretty hypothetical of me to complain about double exponentially slow languages < 1536457637 653905 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1536457642 282575 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hypothetical < 1536457644 328101 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the word < 1536457647 654370 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocritical < 1536457649 878989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocritical? < 1536457678 997453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a strange word etymologically as based on its constituent parts, it should mean "below/less than the amount needed to cause a transition" < 1536457682 290161 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I must count M:tG too < 1536457692 226093 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M:tG as an esolang < 1536457694 798812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the meaning is "not criticising oneself enough" < 1536457728 880968 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536457738 844379 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we did scare him away < 1536457741 808017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we use "subcritical"/"supercritical", not "hypocritical"/"hypercritical" < 1536457783 375263 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the Hungarian translation for "hypocrite"... < 1536457831 149096 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a good word, but it's rare and I don't recall it this late in the night < 1536457890 539017 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536457969 933878 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I forgot it deliberately because it mostly comes up in flamewars for blaming people with inconsistently applying their supposed religious beliefs or moral or political principles, and I don't want to read those kinds of flamewars < 1536457984 146024 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I know < 1536457993 934254 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's “álszent” < 1536458009 621979 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies something like "pretending to be saintly" < 1536458034 54295 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it actually has a good etymology < 1536458047 585031 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a synonym like that in English? < 1536458058 871576 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a synonym of "hypocrite" that is < 1536458078 176232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if there's a single word for it, there's almost certainly a phrase for it < 1536458084 686099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have too many phrases and it can be hard to remember them all < 1536458098 684589 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's a phrase in Hungarian too, "bort iszik és vizet prédikál" < 1536458115 677429 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means something like "drink wine but preaches water" < 1536458123 992876 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/drink/drinks/ < 1536458147 994658 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that existed in English I think < 1536458149 27783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do as I say, not as I do" is a fairly well-known phrase < 1536458181 750184 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... https://english.stackexchange.com/q/6961/32815 < 1536458215 753830 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mentions "I am a prophet, not a saint" which sounds pretty close < 1536458271 709076 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the question here is about a word or phrase for a hypocrite who admits that they are a hypocrite < 1536458394 687753 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/50168/what-is-a-less-offensive-synonym-for-hypocrite gives some phrases too, "Not walking the walk", "pretender", "cafeteria Christian" (for a more specific meaning), "faker". < 1536458463 351049 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope pimlu will return. We want those kinds of people here. < 1536458565 281360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is good they can be on, they have stuff with esoteric programming too so it is good < 1536459463 399178 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: is there a synonym like that in English? <-- sanctimonious < 1536459507 972941 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you < 1536459710 295175 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to look up what the norwegian synonym is, "hykler" < 1536459749 277760 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you also have to look up what the norwegian for a "stirrup jar" is? < 1536459855 386490 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do that yet < 1536459869 66696 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although stirrup is stigbøyle < 1536459972 190662 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there doesn't seem to be a norwegian wikipedia article, although swedish is "bygelkanna" which would convert to "bøylekanne" < 1536460018 411450 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1536460091 798502 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term doesn't google well :) < 1536460159 866124 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term in what language? < 1536460268 74275 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian. the two sensible hits are some shop catalog, i suspect a modern gardening jug < 1536460291 717152 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to read David Madore's twitter feed from now on, in addition to checking out his blog. It turns out that he tweeted about the museum fire on --09-03, but didn't post a blog entry or blog comment, so I didn't notice. < 1536460313 527277 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1536460333 881306 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect few norwegians have researched the things < 1536460380 837859 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh the english is "can" < 1536460423 749894 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not jug) < 1536460443 612474 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scandinavian "kanne" can mean either < 1536460449 612903 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's definitely "stirrup jar", not "stirrup can". Thank god, "stirrup can" would be even worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirrup_jar < 1536460493 819768 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: sorry, i'm just jumping context here < 1536460495 828739 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "can" is ambiguous that is < 1536460509 165697 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than "jar" < 1536460553 713835 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"few norwegians have researched the things" => or if they have, they've written about it in languages other than norvegian, because it's science research < 1536460563 223857 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1536460793 242081 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i hate it when the address line autocompletes a shorter word to a longer i've already looked up < 1536460817 590139 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got to "cantare" instead of "can") < 1536461044 298308 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary's two first noun meanings are "kanne", the third would be "boks" < 1536461149 762133 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which naturally also means "box", except when "box" is "eske" :P < 1536461153 458589 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1536461201 126959 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cardboard boxes in particular are "esker") < 1536461267 937780 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure what's the defining difference < 1536463137 280320 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fewnhykvuuadohgm JOIN :#esoteric < 1536466004 320690 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536467740 210373 :ping!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:a924:6776:db1d:ebd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536468874 173306 :user24!~user24@p200300886973A70005C94A32CB3213CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1536468894 897004 :user24!~user24@p200300886973A70005C94A32CB3213CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536469704 615063 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1536472464 74551 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536472726 475103 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ouaejgjsauxmhiyx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536473667 462988 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536474676 359893 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536474761 410550 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1536474860 381750 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536475077 890539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1536475120 413966 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536475349 197798 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536476825 379931 :ping!~pixel@2601:184:4781:81a:a924:6776:db1d:ebd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536477038 392187 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536477341 503060 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hello! < 1536481478 377958 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1536482915 552328 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fewnhykvuuadohgm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536483461 18276 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1536484204 537342 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536484727 571446 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536484985 650214 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1536486441 283294 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1536486689 378938 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1536486817 340353 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536486875 511804 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536486921 575597 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536487787 469482 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536487856 922691 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the strangest dream related to #esoteric. < 1536487866 871755 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, strangest so far, I must qualify. < 1536488094 471670 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this dream, ais523 wrote a book. Not some super-technical book about his maths resarch at work, something slightly more popular, although it might still be one about esoteric topics. < 1536488159 909709 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book also had a co-author. In the dream, I first saw the e-book version of the book, or perhaps some samples of it only. It had images of what looked sort of like M:tG cards, but really strange. The part I recall distinctly are the strange mana symbols in the mana cost line: < 1536488273 287252 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were no ordinary generic mana symbols, instead there was a symbol that was a light grey disk of the sort in generic mana symbols with merely a black dot in its center, this meant the same as {1} but was used in the cost line repeated at least three times in one card (instead of saying {3}), and to the right of colored mana symbols. < 1536488312 583339 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536488335 156422 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were also strange variant colored mana symbols, probably inspired in my head by the Settlers of Catan: Cities and knights expansion. < 1536488365 618524 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1536489005 393362 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, there was a blue mana symbol that waa shaped like a sterotypical small purse of gold coins, representing lawbreaking or bribe in flavor, and the rule for it was something like you pay a blue mana like normal, but when you do that, an opponent may reveal a card with a variant red "law enforcement catches you" mana symbol, and then you < 1536489005 527457 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some big penalty. Yes, this goes against the color wheel, but in my dream those were definitely the colors. < 1536489045 337862 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were other variant colored mana symbols too, and some other graphical changes on the cards, but I don't remember those. < 1536489093 537160 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pimlu: pay no attention to the tale I'm telling. I didn't want to scare you away from the channel yesterday, and don't want to scare you away today either. It's stupid off-topic stuff, appears on IRC all the time, don't let it bother you. < 1536489188 88701 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After waking, I have two theories of how these strange mana costs appeared: either they were from some set released by Wizards in the future when I wasn't reading M:tG news and so I saw these in that book first, or the co-author is zzo38 but I didn't recognize his real name. < 1536489196 336141 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm quite sure ais523 wouldn't invent those. < 1536489207 710957 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the kicker came later in the dream. < 1536489322 488390 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kicker was when then I saw a dead-tree copy of the book. < 1536489382 669372 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book was distributed with what looked like fresh salad (and possibly other food) in a thin transparent plastic container that looks like the throwaway containers to sell food for take-away that you eat the day you buy them. < 1536489415 758078 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked and smelled fresh, not deep-frozen, and the container didn't look like it was sealed airtight. < 1536489462 959500 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After waking, my best theory is that looks are deceiving, it was deep-frozen but looked fresh because modern food industry can do that, and it was sealed airtight and I only imagined the smell. < 1536489482 97505 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps the container got broken by the time I looked at it. < 1536489520 81540 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even then, this makes no sense for a book for obvious reasons. < 1536489600 279794 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also remember the OSzK (the national library) telling me that they store a copy of every item that's distributed with a book or periodical they have, not necessarily with the book but somewhere, < 1536489690 324455 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that the most often this is just a floppy disk or CD, but pop magazines sometimes distribute promotional items that are stranger than that, and occasionally it even happens with more serious journals that they do archive, so they have a small collection of strange items. < 1536489715 885173 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I wondered, how could you abuse this policy to make it hard on the OSzK. < 1536489748 308917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? alice < 1536489750 517817 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. < 1536489790 156647 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I found a good solution. Distribute a periodical with an article about dietary supplements, and enclose a leaf of ten multivitamin pills with a hard shell (so they don't easily get crushed) as a promotional item. < 1536489825 440679 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536489856 207747 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't cause any problem with the normal distribution chain, because those multivitamin tablets can be stored for two years even in hot weather, and no newspaper stand or book store would keep an issue of a periodical for longer than that, < 1536489921 249757 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the multivitamin pills also can't be stored for more than three or four years, because of expiry, and are also totally worthless if you can't consume them, so it would be pointless for the OSzK to archive them. < 1536489970 624670 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they tried to store it for over four years, they could probably even get a fine for ignoring food safety laws. < 1536490032 904908 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their best choice would be to discard the pills before letting it get in anyone's hand, after describing it in the catalog of course. < 1536490084 182781 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly couldn't be held against that rule about storing every junk distributed with journals if there was a good reason not to store an item. < 1536490198 571083 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: meh, this was nothing compared to a few dreams I had. I had dreams that were very scary while dreaming but no longer scary after waking up, dreams that were not scary while dreaming but scary when I thought about them afterwards, and dreams that were scary in the dream and after. This was neither. It was just strange. < 1536490320 209746 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated: http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/09/05/open-thread-109-75/#comment-666229 has one of these surreal discussions, when random visitors from the internet discuss a strange topic seriously and there happen to be all sorts of experts who can add bits to it. < 1536490355 266279 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time it's about the biblical David & Goliath story, and there's the usual group of experts in mediaeval weaponry and armor, plus contemporary martial arts experts. I started laughing before I even got to the actually good bit. < 1536490399 307614 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good bit starts at “ I happened to have in the closet a Japanese spear, I assume a form of Yari, which always struck me as having a very much too heavy head. So I weighed the head–about 3 1/2 lbs.” < 1536490463 378023 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then an analysis of whether Goliath could have used a spear with a head weighing 5 kg, or whether it was a ceremonial spear or staff or sceptre and he used only more practical weapons in combat. < 1536491397 151580 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536491831 490347 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536491891 319978 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536492114 490142 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536492276 539564 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1536494340 6585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536494340 143506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536494340 143559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536495986 626529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536496062 963736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536496062 963781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536496062 963791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536496207 331091 :wob_jonas!b03f190b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.11 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536499174 504616 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536500121 957438 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536500517 509978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536500895 941848 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a JOIN :#esoteric < 1536500896 79285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:fb8b:fb15:c1d3:a33a QUIT :Changing host < 1536500896 79325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1536502545 575941 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536502787 432258 :pimlu!~pimlu@67.183.108.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536503856 876740 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wnnuouaaxpkhigza JOIN :#esoteric < 1536509491 666816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have those kind of bribery in Magic: the Gathering, then such bribery mana symbol can be any colors, and that "law enforcement catches you" is a keyword ability rather than a mana symbol. < 1536509585 868762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dreamt of two new mana symbols, which are "queen mana" and "energy mana" (the latter is somewhat like the energy symbols that Wizards of the Coast has done much later than I dreamt it; the use of "queen mana" is unknown) < 1536511943 954504 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536512161 13946 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1536512497 239036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57541&oldid=57515 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+139) 10 > 1536512552 195567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asdf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=57542&oldid=46062 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+79) 10Added one more example < 1536512626 363772 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1536514299 776274 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1536516107 482710 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536516236 413666 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536516267 270245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a specification for HTTP Directory Listing: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/httpdirlist since, unlike other protocols HTTP does not support directory listing. < 1536516366 707793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this do you have a comment of it please? < 1536517519 447341 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, WebDAV does allow that too... < 1536517528 500469 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, WebDAV sucks. :) < 1536517539 124071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why we make a better specification. < 1536517571 641932 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One nice thing about your spec is it's fairly easy to retrofit into existing web server use. < 1536517606 635829 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could readily allow for the common practice of the server just generating an HTML directory listing, and switch to this with an Accept: application/http-directory header. < 1536517628 64980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the intention < 1536518509 395909 :spiegelau!~spiegelau@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536518970 784814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to implement such thing like this with Apache? < 1536518981 247118 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain. < 1536518995 981404 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536519135 541619 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1536519803 288512 :olsner!~salparot@c83-253-165-33.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes hogy < 1536519804 513386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.28457 < 1536519965 421147 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1536520954 587661 :wob_jonas!b03f184c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1536521539 167339 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjsbcnkerwtlvcc JOIN :#esoteric < 1536522576 999873 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536522606 925359 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536524128 256537 :wob_jonas!b03f184c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.76 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1536526426 691884 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.2 < 1536526915 926744 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527166 910965 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527373 912560 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536527440 728736 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1536527496 913984 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1536528592 328852 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1536528617 972450 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1536530798 784358 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zdn9kx2rnn81vw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1536532474 701818 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@89.189.142.190.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1536532916 353902 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536533518 266260 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jrjsbcnkerwtlvcc QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1536534003 111251 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1536534022 385489 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536534449 520820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1536534639 451336 :pimlu!~pimlu@70-90-173-49-California.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536534973 530656 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1536535233 389493 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1536535788 907644 :Essadon!~Essadon@81-225-32-185-no249.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Quit: Qutting