01:10:31 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Elyatai * New user account
01:14:56 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56704&oldid=56660 * Elyatai * (+184)
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06:04:40 <zzo38> Now SQLite has the function like the bit interleave operator of INTERCAL. (It is not part of the core library, but it is included in the source tree.)
06:05:02 <zzo38> Did you know that?
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06:40:31 <esowiki> [[Hanabi]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56705 * Elyatai * (+5293) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Hanabi |author=[[User:Elyatai]] |paradigms=imperative |year=[[:Category:2018|2018]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |files=<code>..."
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06:49:28 <esowiki> [[Hanabi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56706&oldid=56705 * Elyatai * (+52)
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07:56:25 <esowiki> [[Hanabi]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56707&oldid=56706 * Elyatai * (+0)
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09:12:04 <Taneb> Google's suddenly decided I look very much like a robot
09:21:38 <izabera> Taneb: you do look a bit like a robot
09:22:37 <Taneb> Maybe it's something to do with Cambridge
09:50:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56708 * A * (+115) Created page with "==How about loops?== Why not add some loops? Or, add recursion. That could make it a lot more useful. --[[User:A]]"
09:50:44 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56709&oldid=56708 * A * (-1) /* How about loops? */
09:53:53 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56710&oldid=56709 * A * (+18) /* How about loops? */
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10:34:35 <esowiki> [[PISW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56711 * A * (+853) Created page with "PISW(Paradigm Is String-Rewriting) is an extremely simplified esolang by [[User:A]]. ==Syntax== It has 2 parts: Fun Str ===The Box Fun=== This is the function defenition. Li..."
10:37:15 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56712&oldid=56710 * A * (+15) /* How about loops? */
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11:16:07 <esowiki> [[Talk:Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56713&oldid=17764 * A * (+155) /* Turing completeness */
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12:41:23 <mniip> I wonder how quickly I can write a functional language interpreter
12:45:02 <Taneb> Any quicker and you'll get too distracted
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12:48:20 <mniip> using yoctoparsec for comedy value
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13:10:13 <wob_jonas> depends on how much of a toy language or real language you interpret, and how efficiently you want to interpret it
13:11:23 <wob_jonas> I have this dump interpreter that I think I wrote in like two days, but it's really a toy language that you wouldn't want to use in practice: https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Scripts/Scheme
13:11:46 <wob_jonas> in theory it's turing-complete, but it's certainly not a practical language
13:12:08 <wob_jonas> I have two other older interpreters linked from the wiki that interpret a toy language, I think one of them isn't even turing-complete
13:16:35 <mniip> wob_jonas, the idea is to compile a simply typed lambda calculus with letrec to assembly or something
13:17:01 <wob_jonas> mniip: didn't you want an interpreter, rather than a compiler?
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13:21:37 <mniip> my current idea is to produce machine code in named blocks with relocations linking the blocks together, and let binutils' as handle it
13:22:16 <mniip> yet to come up with a calling/entering convention
13:25:22 <wob_jonas> is this lazy or strict evaluation of the lambda calculus?
13:27:02 <wob_jonas> are the representation of all the values you handle are the same because you only have lambda functions, or do you want to add integers or algebraic types or something that requires a different representation?
13:27:18 <wob_jonas> and how would you handle allocation and garbage-collection of the lambda terms?
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13:27:38 <Taneb> mniip: yoctoparsec seems a neat toy parser
13:27:48 <mniip> a walkable heap and periodic invocations to C/assembly RTS code
13:28:47 <Taneb> I know... far less than I'd like about writing compilers
13:29:07 <mniip> I feel like I know how all the pieces work - it's just that I've never put the puzzle together
13:29:36 <mniip> well I have about 4 days
13:29:39 <wob_jonas> I definitely don't know how all the pieces work: specifically I don't know much about the ELF format and how it's used in modern programs
13:30:17 <mniip> wob_jonas, I know enough about ELF to create a "modern" program but I'm willing to let binutils do the job
13:30:18 <esowiki> [[String-rewriting paradigm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56714 * A * (+307) Created page with "{{Distinguish/Confusion|Category:String-rewriting paradigm}} ==Syntax== It only has 2 extremely simple commands. They are: > This moves the next byte to the end of the progra..."
13:30:48 <mniip> (I've written a toy dynamic linker before)
13:31:21 <wob_jonas> what cpu is this compiling for, and do you know enough about its instruction set and rules?
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13:31:49 <wob_jonas> I actually know a lot about x86_64
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13:32:01 <mniip> Taneb, I realized Parser Maybe is absolutely useless
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13:32:14 <mniip> as you internally have Maybe (Either a (Parser ...))
13:32:25 <wob_jonas> The other part I really don't understand is how to do register allocation in any way that isn't very dump
13:32:28 <mniip> you have to decide whether your parse ended without any lookahead
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13:32:37 <mniip> not planning to do any of those :p
13:33:16 <wob_jonas> perhaps some time in the future I'll try to learn all this and write a compiler, although for a very different language that you're imagining
13:33:32 <wob_jonas> but it definitely seems like a very large project that takes a lot of time
13:38:09 <esowiki> [[String-rewriting paradigm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56715&oldid=56714 * A * (-9)
13:40:06 <esowiki> [[String-rewriting paradigm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56716&oldid=56715 * A * (+54) /* Syntax */
13:45:15 <mniip> I think I understand parsec's backtracking decision now...
13:49:59 <esowiki> [[Category:String-rewriting paradigm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56717&oldid=7907 * A * (+92) Trying to extend the stub description.
13:52:30 <wob_jonas> I consider the parser the easiest part, because I understand some of the theory of how they work, and because I get to define the syntax so I define it such that it's easier to parse than real languages.
13:57:54 <esowiki> [[StubScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56718 * A * (+328) Created page with "{{Stub}} StubScript is an extremely simplified esolang that it made this article a stub. ==Syntax== It has only 1 instruction: > Move the first byte to the end of program. An..."
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14:12:28 <esowiki> [[StubScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56719&oldid=56718 * A * (+62)
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14:17:13 <esowiki> [[Infinite Loop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56720 * A * (+398) Created page with "An infinite loop is a program that loops infinitely, never stopping. For example, the C program below: main(){main();} is an infinite loop. (Obviously, I golfed it) ==Pseudoc..."
14:19:06 <esowiki> [[Shorten your Brainfuck code]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56721&oldid=56691 * A * (+22) /* Jumping */
14:24:30 <esowiki> [[Looping Counter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56722 * A * (+496) Created page with "A looping counter is a counter using loops. It counts up to infinity or a specific number(or possibly down to a specific number). ==Example in Slashes(///)== [[User:A]] found..."
14:25:11 <esowiki> [[Looping Counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56723&oldid=56722 * A * (+44) /* Example in Slashes(///) */
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14:35:46 <esowiki> [[Disan]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56724 * A * (+65) Created page with "==Syntax== It has only1 command, D, to implement the Disan Count."
14:36:19 <oerjan> hm maybe that was a spammer.
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14:37:08 <oerjan> Cardiacsfan: you should fix your connection
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14:37:23 <esowiki> [[Talk:Disan Count]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56725&oldid=53631 * A * (+111)
14:37:45 * oerjan realizes he doesn't know how one actually does that.
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14:38:53 <mniip> oerjan, a nickname ban with $##fix_your_connection at the end usually suffices
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14:40:01 <oerjan> GOD I HATE IT WHEN I GET /MODE'S ARGUMENT ORDER WRONG
14:40:39 <oerjan> mniip: i meant how one actually fixes a connection hth
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14:42:57 <oerjan> i hope i didn't mess up anything.
14:43:50 <oerjan> if i forget that the channel should come first, it ends up interpreting every character in the banned address as a mode, i think.
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14:44:34 <mniip> you didn't include the $ redirect
14:45:55 <oerjan> /mode #esoteric -b ~Cardiacsf@ppp118-210-141-70.bras1.adl6.internode.on.net$##fix_your_connection
14:46:04 <mniip> oh duh that was a -b
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14:46:32 <mniip> + is for adding, b is for ban
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14:46:44 <mniip> also there's still #esoteric!*@*
14:46:51 <mniip> which you again added instead of removing!
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14:48:39 <oerjan> the problem is that bans are so rare that i forget the syntax between each time :(
14:49:16 <oerjan> and also that irssi or possibly the server does its darnest to interpret a /mode command as something sensible when it isn't.
14:52:12 <mniip> irssi is interfering too
14:52:25 <mniip> it interprets /mode foo #chan as /mode #chan foo #chan
14:52:39 <mniip> if you sent MODE foo #chan the server would've told you no
14:52:43 <oerjan> wob_jonas: hi! i have the same rotation policy as you as my things but because i've got such a monotonous clothing style that only my handkerchiefs get separated into two color groups (white and not)
14:53:47 <wob_jonas> oerjan: wait, you use actual handkerchiefs? it seemed like everyone but me stopped using them by now. even my brother did. that's part of the reason why I have so many.
14:54:06 <esowiki> [[Collatz function]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56726&oldid=56656 * A * (+26) Obviously a program form.
14:54:11 <oerjan> actually it's just for fix_your_connection bans, which i need to use /mode for. otherwise i use the more sensible /ban or /kickban commands.
14:54:35 <oerjan> not that others are common either.
14:55:44 <mniip> depending on your client you might able to use /ban for it
14:55:48 <oerjan> wob_jonas: when i'm at home i use paper towels but when i carry a handkerchief to use when i don't have something else around.
14:56:03 <oerjan> seeriously, my grammer
14:56:38 <Taneb> You're spelling (sic)
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14:57:16 <wob_jonas> oerjan: is your clothing style more monotonous than that of Hari Seldon?
14:57:23 <oerjan> Taneb: that was in10tional
14:57:28 <oerjan> wob_jonas: quite possibly.
14:57:47 <oerjan> (i don't actually know how monotonous that is)
14:58:13 <wob_jonas> one of the later books describe it, I think
14:58:24 <wob_jonas> he has several copies of the same shirt and suit I think
14:58:36 <wob_jonas> I don't recall which book that was
14:58:47 <wob_jonas> well, it can only be two of them, or maybe three
14:59:20 <Taneb> wob_jonas: I've not read the prequels and it doesn't sound familiar to me so I think you can narrow it down to two
14:59:37 <wob_jonas> Prelude to Foundation, Forward the Foundation, or Foundation’s Fear, but the latter is unlikely
15:00:05 <Taneb> Ah, I thought you thought it may have been the first chapter of Foundation
15:00:06 <oerjan> i have several copies too
15:00:40 <Taneb> I should try to grab a copy of the prequels
15:00:55 <wob_jonas> IIRC it is just a short note where either Dors or Hari himself mentions that Dors was surprised when he first saw Hari's wardrobe which contained just several copies of the exact same clothes
15:02:13 <oerjan> oh hm, my actual towels aren't all identical, but they're similar enough to each other that i don't separate them in laundry.
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15:03:55 <oerjan> except for one, which i don't use, precisely because i would have to separate laundry for just that one. and i once had a red one that i threw away after discovering it _really_ shouldn't be washed together with the rest.
15:05:31 <wob_jonas> I actually have much more trouble with clothes that leave lint on all other clothes washed together than anything connected to dyes and color. I don't like clothes that emit lint. It's very hard to clean other clothes if I accidentally wash them together, so they're usually not worth the bother.
15:06:35 <wob_jonas> But I still separate shirts to at least white versus non-white, althoguh this is probably misguided, I should separate them to bright-colored and dark-colored, with bright-colored ones washed with whitening washing liquid.
15:07:00 <wob_jonas> And sometimes I separate them to three color groups if I have a lot of them dirty.
15:07:33 <wob_jonas> Which is exactly what happened now, so now I have three color groups of T-shirts separated in my wardrobe and I should mix them up or something.
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15:19:53 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56727&oldid=56712 * A * (+37) /* How about loops? */
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15:53:15 <oerjan> `learn A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards.
15:53:17 <HackEso> Learned 'cupboar': A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards.
15:54:02 <oerjan> `learn A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. Do not aggravate them, especially if you have fine china.
15:54:05 <HackEso> Relearned 'cupboar': A cupboar is a very small boar. They may be found in cupboards. Do not aggravate them, especially if you have fine china.
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16:01:39 <Taneb> `learn cupboard is a daemon for creating and managing cupboars.
16:01:41 <HackEso> Learned 'cupboard': cupboard is a daemon for creating and managing cupboars.
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16:02:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Definer]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56728&oldid=56727 * Ais523 * (+234) /* How about loops? */ it already has them
16:03:09 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Oerjan * moved [[Infinite Loop]] to [[Infinite loop]]: Capitalization
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16:07:04 <esowiki> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56733&oldid=56731 * Oerjan * (-7) /// is the name, "slashes" is wimpmode. Also I'm pretty sure *I* found that.
16:08:06 <esowiki> [[Category:String-rewriting paradigm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56734&oldid=56717 * Oerjan * (-92) Undo revision 56717 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) (This is simply not true for all of these.)
16:14:26 <esowiki> [[Infinite loop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56735&oldid=56729 * Ais523 * (+1814) /* Implementability */ not all languages with control flow can do this, surprisingly
16:18:04 <esowiki> [[Looping counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56736&oldid=56733 * Ais523 * (+138) /* Examples */ although that isn't a copyvio (it's a public domain source), let's link by reference rather than copying, as the example makes more sense with context; also expand the section to another language and add some explanation
16:19:07 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Looping Counter]]": rm manual caps redirect; the search box does this automatically, and it's not a likely capitalisation for a link
16:19:39 <esowiki> [[StubScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56737&oldid=56719 * Ais523 * (+0) caps
16:19:50 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Ais523 * deleted "[[Infinite Loop]]": rm manual caps redirect; the search box does this automatically, and it's not a likely capitalisation for a link
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16:30:12 <mniip> what do I do with constructors
16:30:49 <mniip> do I generate an arity-n function for an n-ary constructor and then partially or fully apply it whenever
16:31:57 <mniip> I suppose that's the way to go
16:32:25 <esowiki> [[Talk:Random]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56738&oldid=56713 * Ais523 * (+1306) /* Turing completeness */ a blueprint for this
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17:15:58 <HackEso> olist 1127: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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17:42:47 <wob_jonas> shachaf: yeah, exactly, that's what I came in to sa
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23:38:01 <oerjan> this is starting to look like a good time for the three fiends to call in their second debt
23:38:35 <shachaf> whose side were the fiends on, again?
23:39:01 <oerjan> it is not quite clear who'd they support in this case, indeed
23:39:59 <shachaf> does http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0548.html predate the introduction of the fiends?
23:45:14 <oerjan> that does seem like a bit of foreshadowing
23:46:16 <shachaf> My faulty memory told me that it was the fiends who made the comment about the sides.
23:46:47 <oerjan> they did want the pyramid gate to get destroyed, but that could be either to destroy all the gates or to get the gods to destroy the world
23:48:44 <oerjan> for the latter, taking varsuuvius out of action in a moment would be the obvious move
23:49:38 <oerjan> (assuming he gets back into action first)
23:52:20 <oerjan> otoh they have to fail at it for the story to continue...