< 1531008084 305878 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531008709 335736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truncate optimization in SQLite does not work with virtual tables. In Free Hero Mesh I have a annihilate() function to delete all objects efficiently, which can be used in many cases internally, although a SQL statement such as DELETE FROM "OBJECTS"; cannot know to call annihilate(), and will have to delete each object individually instead. > 1531008711 763467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chaingate14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56485&oldid=51177 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1255) 10/* Computational class */ relationship to TAFMl4 (I hadn't consciously realised until now how similar the languages are; the reference to TAFM in the see also makes me think I might have done so unconsciously, though) < 1531009555 369765 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531009666 303119 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531009806 638537 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531009965 342958 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531010049 850381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56486&oldid=56482 5* 03Ais523 5* (+61) 10/* Computational class */ clarify < 1531010500 442229 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first few attempts at writing som fusion tag programs have all entered infinite loops without ever getting past the first ^ < 1531010532 364166 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose an empty queue error is also possible. > 1531010915 322452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56487 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+408) 10/* Initialization */ new section < 1531011641 705975 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531011838 7312 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531012840 291112 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531013529 4367 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531013712 693278 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531013867 7642 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531015465 335187 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531015646 33012 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531017357 376511 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531017542 813823 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531017561 874357 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531018033 666296 :Ana-!ba3e22dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.62.34.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531018183 311110 :Ana-!ba3e22dc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.186.62.34.220 QUIT :Client Quit < 1531018234 770926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told they would add unbounded signed integers into JavaScript soon. I think that is good. They say you can't mix types of operands except with comparison operators, but I think that you should be allowed to mix types with the << and >> operators and only the type of the left operand is used as the type of the result value. What do you think? < 1531018304 113851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This would also help with many esolangs which use unbounded integers; some use signed and some use unsigned, but it doesn't matter) < 1531018328 512029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can also help to make a proper SQLite binding, because then each SQL type has a corresponding type in JavaScript.) < 1531018515 552244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at Fusion Tag now, I try to think of it now < 1531018544 15296 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, <<, >> should be able to have smaller types as right-operands < 1531018589 939038 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd be careful of adding features to languages specifically to make them work well with another language like SQL < 1531018634 104506 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS is already off the deep end in terms of being pretty complicated and /weird/ and not being able to go back for legacy reasons < 1531018642 912794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't specifically the point; it is just one advantage I thought of. < 1531018863 150832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I wanted is 64-bit integers, and other thing is a goto command. This unbounded integers is a suitable substitute for 64-bit integers, though. < 1531018907 797828 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1531018924 198225 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, goto can be implemented with a preprocessor, at least. < 1531018931 240666 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit ints should be standard for most things nowadays anyway < 1531019286 817626 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531019423 408126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1531019452 293187 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531019839 46051 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1531020994 562004 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if my case analysis is correct, two 0s is not enough for a fusion tag program to get past the first ^ command. < 1531021132 714276 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531021272 761471 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just paste that < 1531021302 4946 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1531021838 128827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fusion Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56488&oldid=56487 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+675) 10/* Initialization */ Some analysis < 1531022995 568921 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531023197 717165 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531023692 161812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant of a 2-tag system could be that instead of using only the first number and discarding the second one, you combine the first two numbers using some operation such as addition, bitwise OR, bitwise XOR, or subtraction. (Other than subtraction, these are commutative and I don't know how the commutativity affects the computational class of it) < 1531024858 757999 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531025054 17048 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531026766 762508 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531026980 821416 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531028677 630393 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531028825 786529 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531030129 505413 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531030505 50916 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531030724 804495 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531031693 996183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56489&oldid=56478 5* 03A 5* (+229) 10/* ZOMBIE */ < 1531031699 551214 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric > 1531031731 955399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56490&oldid=56489 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Brainfuck */ > 1531031932 924277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56491&oldid=56490 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10/* Cheating Versions */ < 1531032344 961670 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531032466 991832 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531032647 323194 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531032749 144897 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. > 1531033076 625097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56492&oldid=56491 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033200 989173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56493&oldid=56492 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033374 664066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56494&oldid=56493 5* 03A 5* (+34) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033464 126805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56495&oldid=56494 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033477 426266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56496&oldid=56495 5* 03A 5* (-36) 10/* pbrain */ > 1531033645 294816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56497&oldid=56496 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10/* pbrain */ < 1531033671 156891 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell pbrain to use the damn edit button? < 1531033703 407156 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym preview hth < 1531033842 449476 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes th < 1531034341 166319 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531034546 682681 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531035590 452150 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531036251 405555 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531036291 376146 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531036417 322869 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531037924 314178 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531038106 890137 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531038298 9944 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531039961 161882 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531040162 765671 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531041646 477878 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531041789 863871 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531041823 59215 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531042022 24569 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531042182 293378 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1531042442 770067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1531042883 113353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56498 5* 03A 5* (+1826) 10Created page with "'''This=That''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by 1531042969 236643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56499&oldid=56498 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10 > 1531043117 791948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56500&oldid=56499 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10 < 1531043715 629947 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531043805 153495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1531043906 693761 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1531043993 191372 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later > 1531044391 403353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56501&oldid=56500 5* 03A 5* (-9) 10 < 1531044477 711093 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1531044658 202807 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric > 1531045221 359948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56502&oldid=56501 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10 < 1531045585 504038 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531045781 784229 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531047437 292634 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1531047463 752987 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531047640 348811 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531048532 112687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56503&oldid=56502 5* 03A 5* (+1236) 10/* Example programs */ > 1531048571 152992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56504&oldid=56503 5* 03A 5* (+0) 10/* Endless Square Numbers Program */ > 1531048675 110934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56505&oldid=56504 5* 03A 5* (-40) 10/* Example programs */ < 1531048742 171517 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531048811 517169 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric > 1531048830 492409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56506&oldid=56505 5* 03A 5* (-2) 10/* Endless Bottles of Beer Program */ > 1531049188 290622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~This=That14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56507&oldid=56506 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Cat Program (Until QUIT is inputted) */ < 1531049391 523916 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531049596 625945 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531049600 729876 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531050109 311358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56508 5* 03A 5* (+1574) 10Created page with "'''Var=Bar''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:A]], and is made up entirely of variables. Each line is just a case-sensitive variable name, followed by 1531050121 918363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56509&oldid=56508 5* 03A 5* (+5) 10/* Example */ > 1531050247 630415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Var=Bar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56510&oldid=56509 5* 03A 5* (-8) 10 < 1531051295 233656 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531051465 336814 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1531052639 603580 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1531052641 402538 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531053146 696937 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531053208 696931 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531053382 300399 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1531054603 181115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56511&oldid=56497 5* 03A 5* (+55) 10/* Urn */ < 1531054833 661756 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531055075 808707 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531055294 676512 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1531056151 450080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=56512 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+2836) 10Create > 1531056257 291307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Far14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56513&oldid=56512 5* 03GibsonGeorge 5* (+122) 10Add link 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1531062783 91643 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1531062862 200628 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1531062895 337351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Annoying Alice 2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56527&oldid=55651 5* 03BoutonIA 5* (+1) 10Fixed an error due to a missing space < 1531062980 784907 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1531063677 102480 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1531065150 881928 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-222-176.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531065386 707815 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531066990 8555 :mrrmx!~mrrmx@pool-108-26-222-176.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531067742 673278 :mrrmx!mrrmx@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mrrmx JOIN :#esoteric < 1531067819 308183 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1531072127 100290 :Lymia!lymia@2600:3c00::43:8000 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531072152 772499 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1531072319 781592 :obviouslymoony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :totallymoony < 1531072586 328295 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531075184 629610 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531076844 759086 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531077198 144174 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531079002 731276 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531079021 758485 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531079062 381269 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531079185 322599 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four days of vacation were great. what did I miss here? < 1531079331 884400 :XorSwap!~XorSwap@wnpgmb016qw-ppp-103-253.dynamic.bellmts.net QUIT :Quit: the creeping crawling chaos will return. < 1531079426 845987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot, but you can look at the logs < 1531079498 635479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any mahjong playing? < 1531079513 654438 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I've grepped the logs, and ais523 didn't answer my two questions about the omnitell writeup yet < 1531079536 354474 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, a friend tried to teach some mahjong to me once, but I gave up quickly. it's just not my style of game. < 1531079566 345220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many different kind of mahjong game; I know the Japanese game < 1531079687 205435 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no clue which mahjong game this was. I didn't even get as far as knowing all the rules. I only ever played a few matches. < 1531079735 77264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1531079783 490745 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seemed like a version of rummy played with a different set of cards and with a more complicated scoring system < 1531079887 23517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is kind of like that (although that is true with nearly any mahjong game and is not specific to the Japanese game). < 1531079890 147728 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four players taking turns, each player always has a set of stones (which is what they call cards) whose number is fixed to 13 or something except you draw one at the start of your turn and discard one at its end, and your stones can be in your hand (hidden) or put down in combinations that you later can't easily modify (but you can add to < 1531079890 288202 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : them) < 1531079928 9210 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are some special rules about how you can end the game by emptying your hand < 1531079997 485321 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you put a combination of cards on the table, then other players can see it but they can never modify it, and players can sometimes use the stone that another player discards < 1531080058 704015 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to rummy in most of this this, except that rummy is played with a double deck of poker cards and the number of players isn't fixed to 4 < 1531080078 468868 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then rummy also has different variations < 1531080132 186172 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1531080199 923500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of that is true of any kind of mahjong (except "there are some special rules about how you can end the game by emptying your hand"; I am not sure what that means) < 1531080255 612034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature specific to the Japanese mahjong is that one tile in the wall is flipped so that you can see it; if you have the number that is one more than that one and of the same suit, you earn extra points. < 1531080340 606462 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that means three things: firstly you aren't always allowed to empty your hand, there are conditions depending on what combinations you'd have on the table for whether that's allowed or not; secondly I think there are options for whether you discard a stone in the turn you do that or not and one of those options is rare; and there's some spec < 1531080340 746129 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ial rule about using another player's discard differently if you're emptying your hand < 1531080473 61352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "emptying your hand" means you expose all of your tiles because you win, that is true in any mahjong game. You usually have to make a regular hand, there are also some irregular hands, and you never discard a stone on the turn you win (if self-drawn; if you win by someone's discard, you take that one and it completes your hand; a complete hand is always 14 tiles plus the number of four of a kind) < 1531080504 498491 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok < 1531080536 166901 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, by emptying your hand I mean you put all your stones on the battlefield from your hand and end the game < 1531080579 515342 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1531080667 20654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-47-161.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some versions there are other conditions that you need to win too, such as in Japanese game you need to have a yaku as well as forming a regular hand (irregular hands automatically have a yaku) < 1531081016 769693 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.245.201.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1531081516 514605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56528&oldid=55166 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+25) 10/* Uhm, "program", It looks like a "programming language" to me */ > 1531081630 659296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Insane Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=56529&oldid=55481 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+30) 10 < 1531081974 575690 :aloril__!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1531082109 952813 :aloril_!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1531082990 24068 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vnbkdlmkgyeubckw QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531083025 598 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wzpkkpvsezyehcad QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531084414 676760 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086095 635428 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jfsgjnkvzhlvgune JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086099 842151 :heroux_!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jusvjcqkmdfsxuyb JOIN :#esoteric < 1531086702 187064 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcb1dmnmcpyztw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1531087240 279132 :wob_jonas!b03f18c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.201 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1531087848 650185 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1531087877 847396 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1531088123 161278 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ptpb.pw/MzvC/text well I made a quarter of an RPN calculator with unary... < 1531088771 197692 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see anything else you can do with string rewrite systems. maybe it's because I'm unoriginal, but it seems like you just end up reducing things to machine-like semantics anyway. < 1531089037 965765 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :over traditional TMs, they just buy you extra context and the opportunity for concurrency/parallelism. < 1531089044 379371 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nondeterminism. < 1531089088 285538 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't buy you expressivity outside of that. there are no alternative ways of expressing things like the above other than machine descriptons. < 1531089213 861570 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's because I'm specifying semantics, rather than syntax. < 1531089253 450217 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, I'm _reducing_ semantics to rewrite operations, instead of solely specifying valid syntactical forms. < 1531089583 484097 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1531089951 843114 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the term used for what I'm doing would be operational semantics. < 1531090318 896946 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is I can't wrap my head around graph rewriting without some kind of variable binding scheme. you can't do graph rewriting without specifying subgraphs, so how do you specify the "shape" of a given part of the graph without resorting to variables representing nodes or edges. < 1531090366 183975 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe kolmogorov machines or their ilk provide some light on that but I didn't immediately see how to reduce general graph pattern matching + rewriting to them. < 1531090604 934759 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531090809 960917 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.5+deb2build2 - http://znc.in < 1531090827 22073 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531090899 917852 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1531092762 250615 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1531093414 103886 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1531093978 545046 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1531094248 472077 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds