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:tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1527556350 449151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55419&oldid=54155 5* 03LyricLy 5* (+2) 10 < 1527556417 352761 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1527557451 740307 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nostril < 1527557452 810795 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostril? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1527557649 963431 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Nostril is a common Québécois greeting. < 1527557652 242721 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'nostril': Nostril is a common Québécois greeting. < 1527558333 2692 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1527558372 307121 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1527559625 598271 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527560445 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Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1527566669 256812 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1527566879 340184 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527567139 325413 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527568197 809170 :Elronnd\srn!elronnd@slashem.me NICK :Elronnd < 1527570092 95822 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527570355 80970 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1527571666 95491 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1527571854 341577 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1527572931 379146 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527573185 337413 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1527573581 419550 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527573871 368127 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527575685 890109 :chal_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527576065 402404 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-99.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527576206 20841 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1527576336 178815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Insane Esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55420&oldid=55330 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+27) 10 < 1527576460 908397 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-18-38.w2-5.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1527576502 8483 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1527576887 540064 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55421 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+1571) 10Just created this language on unoffical esolang discord, Here's my formatted draft. > 1527576923 407776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55422&oldid=55421 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+10) 10Already noticed a little error, which I think is also in Schmuu. > 1527576964 759091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Schmuu14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55423&oldid=55308 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+18) 10Fixed user links. > 1527577109 810677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55424&oldid=55422 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+156) 10Added a bit of font formatting to the characters. < 1527577344 896541 :chal_!49fcd62f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.252.214.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1527577684 830873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55425&oldid=55424 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+98) 10Added categories > 1527577726 218376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55426&oldid=55425 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+0) 10Categories are case-sensitive, of course they are. < 1527577842 366043 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1527578227 280705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55427&oldid=55426 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+278) 10Added statement for escape sequences since those are graphically useful. > 1527578253 145106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55428&oldid=55427 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-1) 10Removed a empty line > 1527578295 980707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55429&oldid=55428 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+1) 10Sorry for the spam irc channel, Added a new line. < 1527578490 934353 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1527578527 946091 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone tell me if ROI is a original-somewhat or if a language just like it exists? < 1527578539 353094 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's my worst "fear". < 1527578674 842363 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527579794 727441 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I rename a page? < 1527579804 211968 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it. < 1527579814 971094 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. > 1527579852 498596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Galaxtone 5* 10moved [[02Roi10]] to [[Roie]]: Renaming language to Roie as I'm removing the special case for exitting and turning it into it's own instruction. < 1527579864 163518 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it worked. > 1527579906 940589 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55432&oldid=55430 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (-58) 10Added said exit instruction which is the reason for the rename. > 1527579943 100582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Roie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55433&oldid=55432 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+1) 10Now says Roie on the page aswell. < 1527580336 692408 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527580587 710593 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1527580641 35094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Saka 5* 10New user account > 1527581291 628361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55434&oldid=55416 5* 03Saka 5* (+236) 10/* Introductions */ < 1527586492 447678 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecwhwfbatumwogel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1527586810 322989 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Saka14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55435 5* 03Saka 5* (+5) 10Created page with "hi" > 1527587170 714829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=55436 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+3933) 10Helped someone on unoffical discord who just created a esolang account with formatting their text document into wiki code. < 1527587199 841144 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018, Unimplemented, High-level < 1527587202 359863 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... no loops? < 1527587205 535164 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm < 1527587223 353592 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018, Unimplemented, High-level, Turing-Complete > 1527587412 86895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55437&oldid=55436 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+99) 10Added categories > 1527587600 865092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55438&oldid=55437 5* 03Galaxtone 5* (+47) 10:P < 1527587661 536356 :Galaxtone!~IceChat9@cable-54-120.sssnet.com QUIT :Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000 > 1527588110 870184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55439&oldid=55438 5* 03Saka 5* (+109) 10Corrections + example < 1527588907 436012 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527588971 817117 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1527591851 722534 :choochter!choochter@nat/ibm/x-bewquklotngnzadc JOIN :#esoteric < 1527592052 412340 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527594235 376753 :user24!~void@p20030088690161006D9CB3B1B3CB3292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527594235 707216 :user24!~void@p20030088690161006D9CB3B1B3CB3292.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527594865 380851 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1527595012 724162 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric > 1527597239 821387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55440&oldid=55439 5* 03Saka 5* (+211) 10Output details > 1527597645 169551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55441&oldid=55440 5* 03Saka 5* (+340) 10/* Syntax */ > 1527598929 751477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55442&oldid=55441 5* 03Saka 5* (+493) 10/* Examples */ > 1527599140 417512 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55443&oldid=54291 5* 03Saka 5* (+56) 10added for seeker > 1527599442 781749 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55444&oldid=55317 5* 03Saka 5* (+147) 10seeker > 1527599473 842215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55445&oldid=55442 5* 03Saka 5* (-2) 10oops < 1527599826 180913 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1527600070 991479 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1527600253 945897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=55446&oldid=55445 5* 03Saka 5* (-8) 10teensy tiny typo and correction < 1527600387 95818 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1527600500 816555 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1527601471 233731 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1527601515 20380 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1527602644 185420 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pvedxcvruuzthypk JOIN :#esoteric < 1527602992 149092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? teapot < 1527602993 129267 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :teapot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1527603471 226185 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :418 < 1527606636 24360 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-002-203-000-049.002.203.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527607816 955851 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527607847 751929 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527608433 7326 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527608461 292483 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1527615331 47756 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1527615373 443947 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527615604 759958 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527615630 899650 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found that a certain software used at my new job allows passwords of at most 24 characters length. < 1527615652 8302 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate these low bounds for password length < 1527616060 946450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 is enough man. as long as you are using basically random strings from the full ascii set < 1527616102 190520 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527616157 426954 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats almost 3*10^47 combinations < 1527616194 396149 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can't use the full ascii printable set, because on many keyboards, the space bar clicks noticably differently from other keys < 1527616262 665092 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527616322 127961 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, it's not practical to use random strings. it's often better to use easier to remember but longer strings. < 1527616860 467578 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt say random < 1527616876 857486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking of the schneier method < 1527616923 61949 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in practice, pseudorandom can work if you use other tools < 1527616964 743379 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you worry about key sounds no password will do < 1527616992 415218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there are tools to reverse engineer passwords from sounds < 1527617008 632176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hide a few microphones nearby and... < 1527617019 677398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :90% accuracy of key prediction < 1527617063 807226 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if you choose passwords systemagically like that, then they no longer have anything near the full 157 bits of entropy of a random ascii printable string of 24 bytes < 1527617143 59951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tools exist that can exploit that difference? < 1527617169 577417 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too hard to make one, even if you just guess the frequency of individual characters < 1527617189 72432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure you can, though < 1527617196 152704 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just try strings with mostly letters, that already reduces the entropy a lot < 1527617275 647995 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try common letters first, and less of the FJKQVXYZ stuff, even better < 1527617285 33486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if youre correctly applying the schneier method, youll have other symbols dispersed in. besides, even just letters and numbers give you 10^43 possibilities < 1527617310 356664 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, some symbols. but still mostly letters. < 1527617323 716403 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what youd expect < 1527617336 395786 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the printable characters are mostly letters after all < 1527617381 370615 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered trying my tool < 1527617701 647763 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a higher bound (if any) on password length is nonetheless a good idea, too < 1527617716 483974 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use something like xkcd password method :) < 1527617717 32731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/quintopia/pwgen < 1527617729 36388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it helps sure < 1527617761 33683 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only point was that if you have memory constraints, you can still be secure < 1527617771 642049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the only issues are practical < 1527617776 386272 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :human minds are pretty bounded themselves, any artifical bound is even worse < 1527617785 586056 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only point was that if you have memory constraints, you can still be secure> ah, of course < 1527617819 850049 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that level of consideration is too far from practice( < 1527618124 33434 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad its something we still have to deal with < 1527618139 103403 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no memory constraint here. this isn't some tiny one-chip embedded device. it's a big program running on a computer where it needs lots of hard disk and RAM and cpu. < 1527618191 366184 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah < 1527618242 361550 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is still in many places an issue with non-ASCII characters in passwords :( < 1527618242 697689 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the only issues are practical. the whole point of using this particular software is practical only, because in theory you'd use some alternate universe perfect software that you have custom made with a team of twenty people in two years just for your needs and has the password length bound you desire. < 1527618295 77467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just found that a certain software used at my new job allows passwords of at most 24 characters length. <-- weird, it can't be storage, since it will hopefully be hashed anyway < 1527618305 412134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so storage will be constant < 1527618317 460702 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a habit to stick to [A-Za-z0-9] but it is bad, not any of my passwords is over 30 chars long < 1527618414 521706 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: to [A-Za-z0-9]? not to [A-Xa-x1-9,.%] which is what you use in Hungary because you might not be able to switch keyboard layout when typing passwords and all other characters (except space) are in a different space between the hungarian qwertz and the US keyboard layout? < 1527618458 882353 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but erm I’m not in Hungary < 1527618482 610827 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527618486 261770 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe I will in the future, who knows) < 1527618547 472499 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although technically you could also use the > sign if you type it as altgr-shift-dot, because shift-dot enters it on a US keyboard and altgr-dot on the more recent versions of the hungarian qwertz) < 1527618635 868393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: how many users are there? < 1527618645 718189 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or accounts rather < 1527618654 36128 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once used an emoji in my password < 1527618665 10855 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i regretted it < 1527618672 879208 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dunno, they're mostly local users that are valid on only a few machines < 1527618682 627829 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably at most a few dozen < 1527618699 810507 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: a regret emoji? < 1527618715 955524 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was ice cream or something < 1527618726 297366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1527618746 675358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527618784 158471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1527618784 292528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1527618788 58532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1527618791 367429 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais < 1527618796 833468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1527618804 38749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal < 1527618821 647946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently I mostly use rg < 1527618828 410297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rg? < 1527618831 868501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ag is easier to type so I sometimes use that one out of habit, it's pretty good too < 1527618835 101355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1527618836 739341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rg = ripgrep < 1527618839 212026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1527618841 54040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep < 1527618860 835754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the product of someone who saw the better-grep wars going on and thought "I can do better than all of that" and happened to be a Rust fan < 1527618881 457829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1527618907 481384 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sed as a better grep < 1527618928 127219 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well a more featureful grep < 1527618930 874609 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, at this job I'm working on windows machines again, which immediately reminded me why I so hate windows as a development platform < 1527618975 664322 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: interesting. < 1527618987 243498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's sort of generalising grep in a different dimension < 1527619008 673577 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally use perl instead of sed if I need any sort of advanced text processing, and use sed only for really basic stuff < 1527619021 666917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about awk? < 1527619031 961920 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I forgot how awk works < 1527619047 383088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know perl at all, so I use awk, grep, sed and such < 1527619054 550552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for complicated stuff, python < 1527619077 773055 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does python work well for text processing? < 1527619124 782120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it works "okay", and if you need to do something more advanced with the text, that would benefit from the advanced features and packages, then it is good < 1527619137 59532 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no it is not the best alternative for pure text processing < 1527619168 640367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I often find that I also need to pull some data from a json file as well or suchy < 1527619170 870954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :such* < 1527619207 839216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would benefit from being able to use better data structures than what perl has < 1527619209 467272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1527619211 649359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has* < 1527619213 716735 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used a json parser from perl to pull data from a json file < 1527619215 678314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl probably have them < 1527619222 393023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since I never learned perl, eh < 1527619246 87326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to learn enough Perl to write in it, the hard part is learning enough to read other peoples' programs :-D < 1527619246 425707 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm more interested in when you have free text, where a pre-built json parser or xml parser or html parser doesn't help < 1527619261 36437 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the longer text parts inside a json or xml or html file, alternately < 1527619279 854615 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I'm just interested in how people use python now < 1527619293 307206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is a really bad language for oneliners < 1527619296 605744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it, it's just painful < 1527619327 46959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl -MJSON -e1 < 1527619327 551584 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't locate JSON.pm in @INC (you may need to install the JSON module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base .). \ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. < 1527619341 10705 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's one problem I'd like to ask about. how do you write one-liners when python usually wants line breaks and indents? do you use some sort of preprocessor that converts some other notation to python lineabreaks and indents? < 1527619342 977374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I had a suspicion it might not be installed on HackEgo (Perl's JSON library, that is) < 1527619365 867295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: there are two methods, one is the combination of exec and \n for newlines < 1527619370 206981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I mainly use python as a general purpose language for anything where the execution speed isn't critical < 1527619378 398044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is to use a lot of nested lambdas so that you don't need to use any control structures that require a newline < 1527619400 544375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Python is a really bad language for oneliners <-- agreed, that is where you have the classical unix utilities < 1527619421 986154 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was talking about scripts you can use in your one liners < 1527619440 632433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo one two three four | sed -e 'y/ /-/' < 1527619441 274701 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-two-three-four < 1527619444 615112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pulling data out of a complicated system and making it usable. Or just a library of functions to use from IPython < 1527619446 188528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo one two three four | perl -pe 'y/ /-/' < 1527619446 729787 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-two-three-four < 1527619453 152483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes there's no difference between perl and sed < 1527619491 942429 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527619536 513384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl Mbigrat -E 'say 355/113' < 1527619537 29741 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't open perl script "Mbigrat -E 'say 355/113'": No such file or directory < 1527619541 722397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``perl -Mbigrat -E 'say 355/113' < 1527619543 591578 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `perl: not found < 1527619547 734037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -Mbigrat -E 'say 355/113' < 1527619548 567107 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :355/113 < 1527619606 48572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigrat? < 1527619606 735078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1527619625 643356 :grumblr!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1527619626 102990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals? < 1527619626 835288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes arithmetic to use bignum rationals < 1527619629 276932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1527619640 767910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice if you want to quickly do exact calculations < 1527619651 446238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -Mbigrat -E 'say 355/113 - 22/7' < 1527619652 278140 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-1/791 < 1527619669 79899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway I had to look at some perl scripts at a few points, I don't like what I see. Like functions use $1 and so on for parameters instead of proper prototypes with parameter lists? < 1527619681 183570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language appears to be messy to me < 1527619689 441307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, $1 is a regex match, like \1 in sed < 1527619699 833113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl functions don't actually have parameter lists at all < 1527619709 792336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :was some time ago, but I definitely remember there being no parameter lists indeed < 1527619720 845942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still there were parameters somehow < 1527619764 782271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in my opinion makes the code less clear, you can't just look at the definition of a function and figure out approximately what parameter is what < 1527619798 620370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fairly common to start a function by unpacking parameters into variables < 1527619836 181597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -E 'sub add {my $first = shift; my $second = shift; $first + $second} say add(1,2)' < 1527619836 811687 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1527619845 375494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still less clear, and it will be much harder for an IDE to provide useful errors as you type a call to that function < 1527619862 621094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :with modern python 3 and type annotations, an IDE like PyCharm can provide really good feedback < 1527619865 442873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEs tend not to handle Perl all that well < 1527619870 824871 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as good as a statically typed language < 1527619878 340281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-highlighting it is not only Turing-complete, but can potentially require things like network interaction < 1527619920 854143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you then agree these are faults with the language and that perhaps that it would be better off not having those features in that form? < 1527619959 704654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Perl is designed to be insanely flexible < 1527619974 802990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but that compromises other qualities < 1527619976 848257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with languages you have a continuum between being easy to analyse and allowing programs to do weird things < 1527619979 542428 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1527619979 706338 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1527619980 204680 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :*.net *.split < 1527619998 752934 :grumblr!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1527620001 596414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Perl you can do things like replacing the main loop of the interpreter at runtime < 1527620010 418992 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527620045 605683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a thing that you actually shouldn't be able to do. I can't imagine a problem that couldn't be solved in a cleaner way < 1527620085 958964 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does it even have a main loop outside of REPL mode? < 1527620119 787800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it just execute the code (probably previously compiled to byte code) as it is, without ever returning until the main thread exits? < 1527620126 157478 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perl isn't a runtime-compiled language < 1527620175 279912 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1527620189 763515 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can change the syntax of the language during a program < 1527620190 81319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I thought modern Perl 6 compiled to Parrot or something like that? < 1527620198 236288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@145.255.8.243 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527620211 758457 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perl 6 is an entirely separate and incompativble language < 1527620221 188638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is not like python 2 vs 3? < 1527620229 312575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :incompatible but convertible? < 1527620229 641981 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more so than python 3 < 1527620236 811051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1527620240 945492 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really even convertible < 1527620278 750479 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since perl 6 never caught on, when people refer to perl they almost always mean perl 5 < 1527620289 27523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well presumably perl 5 will some day stop being supported (just like python 2 in 2020) and perl 6 take over? I assume they don't plan to run both parallel in perpetuity? < 1527620344 602749 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perl" is a family of languages, "Perl 6" is part of the family, but it is a separate language which has its own development team. Its existence has no significant impact on the continuing development of "Perl 5". <-- website says < 1527620355 572888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1527620459 534740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527620472 765543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527620490 339257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perl 6 is a new language by the designer of Perl, which was called "Perl" for some reason and confused everyone < 1527620511 20659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a few similarities to Perl 5 but it really isn't a new version of the same language, but a new different language < 1527620523 219479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 5 and 4 are a lot more similar (Perl 4 is basically Perl 5 with fewer features) < 1527620544 739078 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. perl 6 is about as similar to perl as php is < 1527620550 704654 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1527620584 199633 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not that it matters here, but hackeso has a different set of programs installed than hackego < 1527620701 363043 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other part I'd like to know about is how usable python is for handling text in an unknown ascii-based byte encoding, eg. can you match byte-oriented regexes or parse numbers from byte strings or format numbers into and the like? < 1527620702 497644 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by the way, did you look at that language I made this weekend? I'm not sure about that TC conclusion (I didn't write it). < 1527620710 451834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would be interested in your take on it too < 1527620716 217165 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rust stdlib is also currently somewhat bad in that respect < 1527620756 74534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tried to read it quickly but couldn't easily parse the page < 1527620764 156423 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1527620771 5678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a highly complicated language < 1527620794 437586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's too many parts which interconnect which makes it hard to get much of an idea about how the language works < 1527620801 277411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some other order in which things could be presented to make that work < 1527620887 151242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's too many parts which interconnect which makes it hard to get much of an idea about how the language works <-- that was the goal! < 1527620895 763068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of interacting mechanics < 1527620901 938358 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more the better < 1527620921 871760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't think there is any mechanic that doesn't interact with any other < 1527620930 881464 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1527620945 860356 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is the goal, probably not perfectly interacting of course < 1527620975 218298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example particles only get stopped by the wires, (unless you use the high energy extension) < 1527620991 499693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, maybe the description could be rearranged < 1527621099 812716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know what order to present it in though < 1527621362 449242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably just implement it sometime during this year instead < 1527621728 157693 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At my new job I'm again working on windows machines. This reminded me immediately of why I so hate windows as a developer platform (as in, it's especially bad if you to write programs that run on windows machines), even though it seems this won't be limiting what I'm doing at this job in particular. < 1527624553 797032 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1527628692 149248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, polyglot has 200 languages < 1527628705 617829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be a good time for someone with more spare time than me to write an article about it, going over each language and how it works < 1527628722 610159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps ordered by popularity of the language so that people see familiar languages first and obscure ones near the end < 1527628913 100488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, has stasoid just posted five answers in a row? < 1527628951 697936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I guess Chance technically wins with #194 (the second-newest answer at the time there were no rule-abiding answers for 14 days) < 1527629019 872520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that's been acknowledged in the comments on #195 < 1527629061 897229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dec 6 2016 to April 26 2018 was a good run < 1527629257 260534 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1527629377 210664 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, two more abstruse goose strips. let me see if they've been listed. < 1527629424 231324 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`aglist 596,597 < 1527629424 921322 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aglist 596,597: b_jonas shachaf < 1527629448 300373 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstruse goose has definitely turned active after several years of total silence < 1527629455 323080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think lists are required for regularly-updating things. < 1527629498 607787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i An elephant is not required, / If I can use the media to be admired < 1527629498 906564 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll list it for a few more weeks, but if it does keep updating, then I will stop or at least batch the listings heavily until it gets rare again < 1527629760 117809 :friendlyGoat!~Jonah@50-50-141-33.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527630879 520655 :friendlyGoat!~Jonah@50-50-141-33.snpr.wi.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1527631025 409573 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1527631623 185096 :wob_jonas!b03f18ea@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.234 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1527632283 275667 :user24!~void@p2003008869016100A858B610F7DB5647.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527632646 82373 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1527634320 916195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527634789 334467 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527635082 957303 :user24!~void@p2003008869016100A858B610F7DB5647.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1527635095 36584 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA. new rig. < 1527635354 397081 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1527635649 341837 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1527637550 362907 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boilys boily  < 1527637583 557856 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at moony Ō_Ō jiiiiiiiiiii~~~~~~~ < 1527637600 499147 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boilyifies boily  < 1527638115 134099 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1527638136 293434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1527638155 452302 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric