00:06:51 new job? 00:07:01 its getting warm here 00:07:11 @metar katl 00:07:12 KATL 052352Z 19003KT 10SM BKN250 17/M01 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP196 T01721011 10189 20167 55004 00:16:06 started last week! 00:16:08 @metar CYUL 00:16:09 CYUL 060000Z 26012G18KT 15SM FEW065 FEW240 M03/M15 A3000 RMK CF1CI1 CF TR CI TR SLP163 00:17:53 what is the job? 00:19:18 backend dev for POS products, doing big data stuff ^^ 00:26:00 that sounds very corporate 00:26:27 when had we decided to game? 00:28:33 it is corporate and I work on a mac. bletch. 00:28:54 but freen breakfast, including bagels, and quality coffee! 00:29:28 eeeeh... I think Sunday? 00:29:56 but I won't be there for the next two weekends. can we after that? 00:36:24 k 00:36:43 what are your thoughts on seth andrews 00:36:46 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:37:37 quintopia: who is seth andrews? 00:37:40 hezzo38. 00:41:29 -!- Aearnus has joined. 00:44:46 quintopia: after wikipédying him, I can't say I'm leaning one way or another. I need more context and history. 00:56:00 -!- tromp has joined. 01:00:57 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:01:06 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:02:28 ok 01:02:33 gnight 01:02:39 night! 01:03:53 boena sirjana. 01:04:37 (also, gott kvørjanld.) 01:12:00 biensoarly 01:12:03 -!- Hoolootwo has changed nick to Hooloovo0. 01:14:54 * oerjan is not sure we really want to encourage user pages redirecting to chinese wikipedia 01:16:03 people do that? 01:16:04 Pages probably should not redirect to external pages 01:18:49 zombie, new job, nice pay and proximity to chinese food. <-- wait, are you no longer making the world boring 01:18:58 boily: see latest wiki edit 01:20:12 that is indeed the case! 01:20:12 *keeping 01:20:28 shocking 01:23:52 moo 01:24:09 mhelloony. 01:29:11 @metar ENVA 01:29:11 ENVA 060050Z 30015KT 6000 -SN VV012 01/M00 Q1001 RMK WIND 670FT 31022KT 01:29:17 it's been snowing again 01:30:25 same. 01:35:11 @metar EGLL 01:35:12 EGLL 060120Z AUTO 13009KT 9999 NCD 04/02 Q1016 NOSIG 01:35:20 I don't think it's going to snow any more. 01:39:18 -!- augur has joined. 01:41:45 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:41:52 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:45:22 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * YUM YUM YUM * New user account 01:46:45 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MANLY CHICKEN). 02:03:18 -!- tromp has joined. 02:08:08 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:34:19 -!- tromp has joined. 02:38:54 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:43:25 -!- Aearnus has quit (Quit: Aearnus). 02:44:16 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 02:54:40 Add a link if you need to, not a redirection 02:56:27 Redirects should only be for redirecting to another internal page, and user pages probably should not redirect at all (although subpages of user pages might redirect) 03:03:55 -!- tromp has joined. 03:08:27 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:08:45 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:10:26 -!- sleffy has joined. 03:12:57 -!- tromp has joined. 03:18:03 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:58:27 -!- brandonson has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:00:26 -!- brandonson has joined. 04:01:46 -!- sprocklem has joined. 04:03:04 -!- xkapastel has joined. 04:18:38 -!- augur_ has joined. 04:18:48 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:21:01 -!- Aearnus has joined. 04:22:57 -!- tromp has joined. 04:23:16 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 04:27:39 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:41:38 Another day, another Girl Genius non-comic 04:41:54 also, that Zoing card has a typo 04:55:31 -!- tromp has joined. 05:00:22 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 05:13:26 -!- imode has joined. 05:13:36 oerjan: Maybe we'll get a comic on monday 05:13:59 Maybe not 05:21:05 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 05:56:37 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:58:38 -!- tromp has joined. 06:03:38 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:04:16 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 06:08:40 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 06:14:59 -!- tromp has joined. 06:45:00 -!- variable has joined. 06:52:56 -!- chal_ has joined. 06:57:28 -!- Aearnus has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:57:52 -!- Aearnus has joined. 07:20:13 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:25:54 -!- sprocklem has joined. 07:31:45 [[Turing number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54699&oldid=54654 * Singingbanana * (+42) 07:31:59 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:32:38 -!- Aearnus has quit (Quit: Aearnus). 07:34:19 -!- sprocklem has joined. 07:38:19 -!- xkapastel has joined. 07:40:36 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 07:41:00 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:42:38 -!- sprocklem has joined. 07:43:53 -!- Naergon has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:47:57 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:50:10 -!- augur has joined. 07:59:40 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 08:00:19 -!- chal_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:14:07 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 08:20:12 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 08:29:31 -!- singingbanana has joined. 08:30:50 [[Alfie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54700&oldid=54695 * Singingbanana * (+1492) 08:32:02 -!- kritixilithos has joined. 08:32:24 Hi! 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Been looking at systemd-nspawn, Docker and LXC. 13:11:31 (TBH, given that it's such a kludge almost by definition, maybe CaC is a more appropriate ecology for it to live on. Maybe I should properly ping Gregor to see if there's anything pokeable in there first.) 13:20:05 I didn't want a ton of dependencies... so ended up with http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/mueval.c which may be a bit too low-level. 13:20:34 (note the wonderful hardcoded uid and gid) 13:21:47 (/sandbox is statically populated with a few read-only bind mounts) 13:23:23 something like http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/fstab.txt 13:24:04 anyway, docker was too big for me... and I didn't look too hard for alternatives. 13:31:21 I need a "real" Linux in the container (because of all those HackEgo commands), but I haven't yet decided whether that should be via read-only bind mounts from the host, or as an entirely separate installation. 13:31:54 (The current HackEgo chroot is the latter, a debootstrap chroot that ~never gets any upgrades done.) 13:33:52 tricky, I think I'd like a separate installation but some way of updating it whenever the main system is updated... 13:34:40 ...but the latter seems hard so I'd probably end up in the current situation as well :P 13:35:01 Making it a real (though minimal) independent system means I'd need to figure out how to get it under my usual configuration management and monitoring infrastructure, which kind of assumes there's at least sshd running inside it. 13:35:08 Which is of course doable but seems a little silly. 13:40:28 OTOH, if it's the hackbot process launched with a fs namespace that has read-only binds, it doesn't need any of that, but it would have (read-only but still) access to a lot of stuff it really has no business looking at. 14:08:27 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 14:10:26 yeah, the latter would really want me to have a separate installation 14:10:55 but maybe can you make a direct-to-chroot ssh account on the outer system? 14:11:36 some variation on http://allanfeid.com/content/creating-chroot-jail-ssh-access perhaps 14:12:17 then you could ssh into the sandbox without actually having an sshd in the sandbox 14:28:50 Mm. With just the sshd_config ChrootDirectory option, it'd be running without the other namespaces. But maybe I could instead use ForceCommand to do whatever is necessary to execute the command line in the sandbox. I know at least systemd-nspawn has a "machinectl shell" and systemd-run for running commands inside. 14:37:08 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 15:16:06 fizzie: I was thinking that it's for maintenance, maybe the full sandboxing wouldn't be required. 15:17:10 but I guess that means you do not get your own user namespace which may be desirable. 15:28:57 -!- brandonson has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:30:51 -!- brandonson has joined. 15:44:52 -!- grumblr has joined. 15:45:09 -!- grumble has changed nick to Guest46633. 15:45:09 -!- Guest46633 has quit (Killed (leguin.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))). 15:45:09 -!- grumblr has changed nick to grumble. 15:54:05 -!- xkapastel has joined. 15:58:10 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:21:54 int-e: On the plus side, it means you wouldn't need to poke a hole for apt-get networking in the sandbox, so maybe it'd be fine. 16:22:57 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:54:14 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: rebooting). 17:00:39 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:03:12 -!- erkin has joined. 17:36:54 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Rebooting). 17:38:32 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:41:52 https://www.chosenbun.com/ 17:41:57 these are goood 17:50:18 Ooh, that's nearby 17:50:45 Might try that tonight 17:50:56 fizzie: of course you could have two sandbox setups ... I mean while we're thinking about potentially overengineering everything. 18:00:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:02:18 -!- SopaXorzTaker has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:03:46 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:23:00 -!- imode has joined. 18:24:10 izabera: I have ordered a Chosen Bun 18:40:10 but it's nearby 18:40:32 why didn't you just go there 18:41:19 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:41:25 I've ran out of data on my phone, don't have internet at home, and I'm getting some with one of my workmates 18:47:17 -!- xkapastel has joined. 18:49:07 did you run out of feet as well? 18:55:23 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 18:57:21 So it would seem 18:58:43 I can imagine outrunning your feet (painful aftermath), but how does one run out of feet... 19:02:48 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:16:39 Hmm, there's one in Fulham as well. 19:21:29 I don't appreciate this website changing the cursor so that it doesn't indicate what's clickable and what's not. 19:28:18 Add your own CSS codes if needed. I use the Stylish extension to add my own CSS codes to what is already there. (And, less often, I also use GreaseMonkey to add additional JavaScript codes too) 19:32:46 That is what I have always done to deal with these kind of problems 19:33:40 int-e: if you injure one feet, you can do certain movements by using the other feet and carefully protecting the injured feet. but you can also injure both feet, at which point you've ran out of feet. 19:36:01 Hmm is it "one feet, two feet, red feet, blue feet" now? 19:47:28 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:48:49 -!- sleffy has joined. 20:01:06 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 20:04:12 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:05:57 -!- sprocklem has joined. 20:39:11 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:41:04 -!- sprocklem has joined. 20:46:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:12:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:12:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 21:12:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:16:53 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:24:51 -!- moony has changed nick to MoonyTheDwarf. 21:37:03 -!- augur has joined. 21:38:35 I have now disconnected the old hard drive in my computer (to save power) 21:44:27 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:54:34 -!- augur has joined. 22:15:26 -!- xkapastel has joined. 22:19:51 I have one idea of new Magic: the Gathering card which is: "You may cast target permanent." 22:34:27 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:38:05 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:46:32 gopher://vernunftzentrum.de/0/ckeen/ciy-manifesto.txt 22:54:51 That is true, and often I do code it by myself. Although the other two things are also possible, if the change is simple enough and/or other suitable software exists. Even if you do write it by yourself sometime it help to take a small pieces from other program codes too, although sometimes that is unnecessary or it just work better to do by yourself. 22:55:31 If each program does one thing well, then is less likely that the goal will be diverged. It also makes it simpler in case you wish to use part of their codes in your own program. 23:02:20 -!- a_ has joined. 23:05:08 -!- a_ has changed nick to TriMill. 23:05:32 -!- TriMill has quit (Client Quit). 23:10:28 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:12:51 -!- sprocklem has joined. 23:17:24 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:17:48 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:39:31 -!- lynn has joined.