< 1521850234 422314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed the SQL query so that it works now. < 1521850513 835905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I changed "where not hidden" to "where parent = 2") < 1521850960 642438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if it is using the swap partition I have defined. How do I set that? < 1521850970 281413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And how do I check?) < 1521851172 328373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked and it is listing /dev/dm-0 as the swap partition. However, that is the old drive and I want it to use /dev/sda2 instead. < 1521851355 756574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/dev/dm-0 is a LVM partition on the old hard drive, I think. The new one is not using LVM.) < 1521851993 727843 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1521852042 107538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it out < 1521852081 307994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hikhq < 1521853409 492237 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1521853609 435783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1521853854 79898 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1521853875 956236 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521853879 716646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it ignored a command in /etc/fstab that I forgot to change, for mounting the root filesystem. Why is that? < 1521853962 107972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1521854004 791004 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521854377 687705 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521854830 159941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521855569 811572 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1521855789 54792 :Naergon!~Naergon@94.197.121.182.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1521858266 273199 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521858281 7036 :Naergon!~Naergon@94.197.121.182.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1521858375 121477 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521858553 588538 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COMPUTABLE CHICKEN < 1521860781 465170 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521861057 317412 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1521861099 161584 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hochaf < 1521861167 81996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq++ < 1521861380 104364 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. > 1521862289 410708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fueue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54461&oldid=54448 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+278) 10/* Computational class */ Added some support for automating this. (This is enough to e.g. make the Thue-Morse sequence program work.) < 1521863002 314361 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521863299 311079 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1521863465 431232 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be a slightly evil use of OverloadedStrings. < 1521863605 115781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is that? < 1521864323 76242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new meaning of "any target" in Magic: the Gathering, and think it should say "target damageable" or something similar < 1521864460 962040 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-73-181-126-9.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The templating feels a bit weird, I agree. < 1521864871 617030 :staffehn_!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1521864888 55137 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521864929 312261 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521864989 753937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing words to "this spell" is fine. Singular "they" saves words and is fine as long as you don't use it in a confusing way (the real problem is English language, not Magic: the Gathering). I am neutral on the new legendary frame (but I prefer the old old frame, and art style, anyways). The separator line for flavor text is OK. < 1521864995 774843 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/fueue/Ul2Fueue.hs < 1521865122 695524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Removing "to your mana pool" and just writing "add" seems not quite good to me; possibly "you get" might be better than "add". When it refers to other mana, something like "you get mana equal to [object]'s mana cost" might be better. I don't quite know for sure. < 1521865212 940633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I suppose that it is a bit strange, but I suppose it can work < 1521866756 54402 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521867046 54714 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1521868695 38574 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1521868907 644797 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521869198 640978 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1521869825 678631 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521869866 529850 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1521869924 16563 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521869951 244106 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1521870496 558362 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1521870932 328006 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521871221 308346 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1521871851 262525 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1521872833 225776 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521872874 322950 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521873141 258511 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1521874787 10043 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521875090 17085 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1521876331 749050 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1521876727 669973 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521876987 670392 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1521877866 930232 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521878233 911094 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1521879393 180382 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521884870 216211 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo if i'm a noob and i want to get in the neural network craze < 1521884880 328534 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have libraries that do the thing for me < 1521884898 459239 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i tell how many layers and how many nodes per layer i need? < 1521885052 360447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just borrow someone else's thing and tweak it hth < 1521885139 347249 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how many layers and how many nodes per layer did you use in your latest neural network thingy? < 1521885299 882374 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-seikvtlsdeylyqxa QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1521885301 271399 :Guest6451!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-12-76.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Slereah < 1521885402 692024 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with 10 nodes per layer with 1 hidden layer < 1521885412 67687 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks about right < 1521885418 523499 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a data scientist now < 1521885544 447218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do ANN things < 1521885628 987696 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was the point < 1521885744 251329 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1521886124 343676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was? < 1521886794 884024 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1521888057 895217 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1521888651 879656 :lldd!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1521890090 324390 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1521891346 171970 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521893290 639793 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521894254 157089 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521894888 368875 :lldd!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado NICK :lldd_ < 1521896433 65007 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521896543 241469 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1521898947 892083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1521900100 64352 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521900200 361500 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re M:tG changes, we were talking about those a day ago < 1521900260 233407 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'possibly "you get" might be better than "add"' please no. don't overload 'get', it is already used for putting p/t bonuses on objects < 1521900326 10752 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. It is well-known that if someone works in a beer factory or salami factory, then they won't drink beer or eat salami anymore, because they know how it's made. But I also know that people who work on making wine do drink the same wine. < 1521900345 314605 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a compliation somewhere of testimonies of which products are and aren't consumed by their makers? < 1521900359 618694 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't mean the leaders, like Elon Musk driving a Tesla, but the little men. < 1521900448 867884 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this would be hard to collect, because most products are made in East Asia now < 1521900498 190837 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the beer, salami, and wine are made here in Europe < 1521900765 269096 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521901279 385553 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521902281 457361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about software engineers... < 1521902333 970418 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know way too much about that, and there's some things I won't trust computers with because of that < 1521902363 407889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about self-driving cars? < 1521902371 857113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something simpler, pacemakers? < 1521902447 978280 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacemakers are old, they've been around already when I was young, so they're probably engineered safely. I wouldn't think they have software problems. < 1521902502 674562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, nope. They're being improved, and one of the big improvements is programmability. < 1521902508 297339 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the first time they made MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) for me. They made me take off my glasses, then led me through a door that had like twelve different safety warning signs, so quickly that even if I had my glasses on I wouldn't have time to read all of them. < 1521902548 146120 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: of course they're improved! they have better batteries now, so the battery needs to be replaced less often. that's very important, because replacing the battery is a somewhat risky surgical procedure. < 1521902551 226528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :first google hit http://www.zdnet.com/article/fda-forces-st-jude-pacemaker-recall-to-patch-security-vulnerabilities/ < 1521902569 587939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(query: pacemaker security) < 1521902634 696350 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ouch < 1521902660 744634 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... why? < 1521902667 533306 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they make pacemakers like that? < 1521902720 504798 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the implication? if you use a pacemaker, should you travel back in time to the 90s and get one implanted then? or is that a no-win too because of the battery? < 1521902758 257340 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe to the 2000s when the implantation procedure would have less risks of side effects? < 1521902763 333412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a no win for several reasons... these things are programmable mainly for the patients' benefit. < 1521902794 130906 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's a no win < 1521902800 262559 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to avoid heart disease < 1521902805 741869 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with a good pacemaker it sucks < 1521902837 245695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the typical IoT scenario really... you get an implementation of many good features, but security isn't part of the traditional design process so it's easily overlooked. < 1521902857 580930 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah. < 1521902861 426525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that goes without saying. < 1521902872 55094 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I was mostly thinking of the situation with home automation and electronic door locks < 1521902891 883605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also worrying. < 1521902896 380221 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to use either. but some cheap hotels already use them. < 1521902937 859412 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried about the electronic locks when I can't get *out* if the electronic part goes wrong. Some installations suck and work like that. Most avoid it. < 1521902948 239736 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should tell a few examples. < 1521903015 591166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah locking people in *should* be a no-go area. < 1521903133 32169 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Door in this house has an electronic lock. While it can't be opened with a key, and can be opened only with a button from the inside, I'm not too worried. It's one of those old types with only a microcontroller controlling it, no elaborate operating system. And I think it's the type that fails to open if you turn off the electricity, which I think < 1521903133 249524 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do from the inside. < 1521903164 774954 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get locked *out*, but not very easily, and that doesn't worry me too much. < 1521903227 684526 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Door in my parent's house, where I lived for long. That one has an electronic lock combined with a mechanical key. For a while it was installed properly, so you could open it with either the mechanical key or the keypad. < 1521903309 1733 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even the mechanical key just triggered the electronic device. Then they modified the installation so the mechanical key doesn't do anything (except lock the door so it can't be opened without using the mechanical key again, a fallback feature used only for when the electronic lock goes wrong and we disable it), < 1521903358 724233 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks because the keypad does have a tendency to not work in the winter. At some point, before that I think, the door failed in some way that it couldn't be opened at all, not from the inside, not from the outside, for a few days. I no longer remember what the problem was. < 1521903396 204786 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those few days we could only enter and exit through the garage door. That one can be opened without a key from the inside, but not at all from the outside. < 1521903434 917643 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, mechanical safety doors on apartments can also sometimes fail in such a way that you can't open them at all, mostly because the hinges get tired. < 1521903505 213852 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer lab in university has an electronic lock properly done. You enter with access card or a mechanical key, many people have access card but only few people have a key; you exit with a doorknob that works fully mechanically. < 1521903516 884186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I almost mentioned the possibility of mechanical failure. < 1521903585 233729 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I'm worried about mechanical failure too. I even replaced an old lock because of that, because I was worried someone would get locked in. The lock was fine, but everyone kept losing the key, and they used replacements that were copies of copies, possibly even copies of copies of copies. < 1521903599 95226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd feel better if there always was such a purely mechanical way of opening the door from the inside. < 1521903617 758372 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now at that place there's a lock I installed, I have two of the three original keys, and I make copies in a copier I trust. < 1521903640 66925 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm wait. < 1521903640 914853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And fortunately that's the case at work... electronic lock outside, door handle on the inside.) < 1521903648 663706 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I only have one of the three original keys? Let me check. < 1521903666 566376 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of the three original keys and one copy. < 1521903721 885334 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father has two originals. That might have been an unwise decision, but there's not much I could have done. I can't take care of two originals better than one original, but I could have given one to my brother perhaps. < 1521903722 221523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1521903750 343362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521903860 17098 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: door handle on the inside can still be purely mechanical or triggering the electronics < 1521903989 374959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is mechanical < 1521904011 402191 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1521904075 442878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact the electronic lock just blocks or frees the outer door handle (it's an office door), and the inner one can be pushed independently from the outer one. < 1521904095 318073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I feel quite good about that particular mechanism < 1521904128 692996 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At our workplace, we mostly had mechanical only locks, with one exception, an electronic lock with a keypad that closed a corridor of the office that has the server room and a few rooms of other companies. They installed that electronic lock mostly to close off a toilet, really, because the server room was protected properly with a mechanical key. < 1521904197 176685 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1521904245 730727 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common failure of the mechanical lock was when a new coworker couldn't stay in late because they haven't got a copy of the key of their room yet. There was one door that was difficult to open because the hinges were installed wrong, but they fixed that later. And there were some problems with damaged mechanical keys, fixed by making new co < 1521904245 870034 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pies. < 1521904274 441334 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521904460 466060 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-csorubhwvbfuigza JOIN :#esoteric < 1521904469 337006 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-pies hmm < 1521907201 958056 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker JOIN :#esoteric < 1521910232 823905 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1521911049 702660 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521911092 307033 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:f804:70de:99e9:7aae JOIN :#esoteric < 1521911093 418269 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521911302 128520 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Client Quit < 1521911398 718925 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1521911407 490727 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1521913721 401352 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? title < 1521913728 704358 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Titles J. K. Rowling had specifically denied on her webpage would be the titles of the sixth or seventh Harry Potter book are: Harry Potter and the{ Green Flame Torch, Mountain of Fantasy, Fortress of Shadows, Forest of Shadows, Graveyard of Memories, Pyramids of Furmat, Pillar of Storgé, Toenail of Icklibõgg}. < 1521914101 392364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :toenail! < 1521914126 296715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that boily would approve. (but for no particular reason) < 1521914129 310078 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the #esoteric logs before 2016-08-02, where do we discuss the following probability paradox? Card game. Dealer has ten cards, 4 to K inclusive of hearts, you have ten cards, 4 to K inclusive of spades. < 1521914129 914355 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In each round, you discard a card of your choice from your hand, then dealer discards a random card from his hand, both face up. The player with higher rank of card takes the round, if equal rank nobody takes it. After ten rounds, if a player took fewer rounds than the opponent, then they pay 10 silver pieces to opponent. On a tie, nobody pays. Is < 1521914130 157771 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there a strategy you can play to win a positive expected value of money? < 1521914469 846242 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm re-reading the logs. There's some other intersting maths problems on this channel. < 1521914835 987162 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1521914940 684738 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1521915498 570511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: You say no that is why I said, I am unsure. < 1521915539 637626 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry what? what's the context? < 1521915577 758578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: About adding mana into your mana pool. I think "add [mana] into your mana pool" is probably best actually, although it is long < 1521915639 70979 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1521915684 746264 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "add ... to your mana pool" phrasing < 1521915772 269206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I don't know about if there is strategy to win at such a card game you described) < 1521915817 517702 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know the solution for that problem, I'd just like to see our discussion < 1521915883 854436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1521916051 989520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I wasn't around for this discussion or I forgot about it... need to ponder. < 1521916085 678654 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, it's a good puzzle, that's why I don't want to spoil it < 1521916091 277352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can know what card has already been played (but I don't know if that helps) < 1521916113 939822 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, you can know that. that's why face up is important < 1521916128 407929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that. < 1521916195 63259 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: /dev/null is full < 1521916337 906921 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1521916726 878022 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric > 1521916928 386721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish/Constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54462&oldid=51825 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-70) 10remove fake superscripts; please respect the font designer who made the "" glyph! > 1521917118 636640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54463&oldid=37802 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (+172) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ new section < 1521917427 379585 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1521917515 662140 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521917755 64428 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521918368 647539 :Roger9_!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ NICK :Roger9 > 1521919642 90899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54464&oldid=53189 5* 03Hq9++fan 5* (-11) 10/* Jokes */ link update < 1521920019 668678 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:8193:a16d:3332:4de0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521920172 567622 :SopaXorzTaker!~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521920181 302843 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:f804:70de:99e9:7aae QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1521921405 730140 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1521921484 372684 :brandonson!~brandon@208.91.114.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1521921745 314024 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:d818:3fe7:a11d:5b1a JOIN :#esoteric < 1521922001 668372 :augur_!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:8193:a16d:3332:4de0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1521922427 284167 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cake < 1521922428 809408 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. < 1521922430 613762 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cube < 1521922431 974597 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cubes come in all sizes, colors, and materials, but only one shape. < 1521922436 397567 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? companion cube < 1521922438 33361 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's cake inside it. Tear it apart, rip open your companion, and extract the delicious, delicious cake... < 1521922847 602493 :lldd_!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1521923419 470639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing number14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54465 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+1567) 10Created page with "THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. IT WILL NEVER END BEING ONE, AS INFINITE THINGS CAN BE SAID ABOUT IT. A Turing number is the concept of numbering the operations of a Turing mach..." > 1521923588 104295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Singingbanana14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54466&oldid=54406 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+81) 10 < 1521923706 271881 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? portal < 1521923710 443498 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? glados < 1521923711 230526 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :portal? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1521923713 779493 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, and again, welcome to the Aperture Science Computer Aided Internet Relay Chat & Enrichment Center. Please enjoy your stay at #esoteric, because you will never leave. > 1521924453 209138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54467&oldid=54342 5* 03Ais523 5* (+82) 10/* Computational class */ mention the I/D machine > 1521924566 380038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TriINTERCAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54468&oldid=32452 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */ punctuation < 1521925170 937983 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8410:52c5:d818:3fe7:a11d:5b1a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521927141 237333 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521927226 285896 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1521927469 389887 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goto statements are basically portals in instruction space < 1521927496 211618 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/portals/one way portals/ < 1521927562 942092 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1521927608 931537 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you make goto's two way portals, it's not a goto anymore, it's a function < 1521927621 350229 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/function/function call and return/ < 1521927668 84468 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! > 1521927671 559614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54469&oldid=40344 5* 03Ais523 5* (+734) 10computational class < 1521927702 526263 :Roger9!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be three portals, though, because the line you return on (where in instruction space it is) isn't the same as the line that starts the procedure (the portal you exit when you enter the call). < 1521927709 881668 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 they are printing a center rules text only Llanowar Elves. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/promos-dominaria-2018-03-22 says so. < 1521927710 537121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1521927766 83859 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to my "penalty to trespassing" ones though. < 1521927875 165396 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not one of Cast Down for some reason.) < 1521928293 111816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want them to print the cards without reminder text; they don't need the reminder text and it gets in the way. Exception is basic lands (except Wastes) that have a text box but no flavor text; they can have reminder text. < 1521930703 112453 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521930950 155751 :wob_jonas!b03f186c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.108 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client > 1521931287 620279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54470&oldid=54463 5* 03Ais523 5* (+755) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ r to Hq9++fan < 1521931613 261868 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1521931769 375502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54471&oldid=54470 5* 03Ais523 5* (+433) 10/* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */ update < 1521932211 256529 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1521932617 149437 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521932771 1766 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1521933779 963451 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521934675 807426 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1521935842 999577 :mooer12!~cameron@c-73-11-191-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1521935850 491497 :mooer12!~cameron@c-73-11-191-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric