< 1519948809 880424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1519948943 69312 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon JOIN :#esoteric < 1519951550 566023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1519951554 61809 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:706) then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context \ 1237) Could we achieve SETI with only naive set theory? \ 138) dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 syntax is the leas < 1519951559 133969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1519951559 948198 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:t important part of a programming language other than Python \ 372) such a famous bisexual Yeah, like Marlon Brando. And Caligula. And... Keeley Hawes? I feel cheated by Ashes to Ashes now. < 1519951639 488919 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1519951668 329193 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519952367 286182 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1519953792 313262 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519954975 58328 :nchambers!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1519955113 678561 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519955979 419461 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1519956020 163578 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloony! < 1519956084 28626 :moony!moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1519956364 960695 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! < 1519958344 390044 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1519958776 342057 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonsœøøirjan! < 1519959566 854502 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: EXPLODING CHICKEN < 1519959593 456392 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1519959721 697186 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph both int-e and boily gone < 1519959736 955119 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a theory about the mirrors in girl genius < 1519959987 448789 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect lucrezia discovered them when she and the heterodyne boys visited Skifander, and used them to become the Other. < 1519960156 305501 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by taking over the geisterdamen world by posing as their eternal queen. several options for what happened with the original queen, though. especially if time travel is strongly involved (the grey witch might be that queen, or even lucrezia.) < 1519960619 122867 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:2ca5:624e:478d:5080 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519960789 994450 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`edit < 1519960791 674716 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/ < 1519960873 109647 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:2ca5:624e:478d:5080 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1519960963 525565 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch tmp/hello https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/tmp/hello < 1519960977 508590 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what. < 1519960989 44151 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2018-03-02 03:23:03 URL:https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/tmp/hello [291/291] -> "tmp/hello" [1] < 1519961053 167464 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! "bf32 `cat tmp/hello`" < 1519961072 254170 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems a bit slow... < 1519961085 961717 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1519961119 417320 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm obviously it would be extremely slow. < 1519961242 537447 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was instantaneous in terminal. < 1519961262 836339 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf32 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++. < 1519961263 498780 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1519961292 971194 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! "bf32 `fmt -w 1000 tmp/hello`" < 1519961293 924353 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1519961304 713097 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmt -w 1000 tmp/hello < 1519961307 883533 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` fmt -w 1000 tmp/hello < 1519961308 657834 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​->-----------[<->-]< [ \ > ->-----------[<->-] >->--------[<->-] >->-----[<->-] <<<< <<- \ ] >>> ->---[<->-]<. << ->--[<->-]<. ->--------[<->-]<.. ->----[<->-]<. >>>> ->-----[<->-]<. ------------. <<<< ->---------[<->-]<. --------. ->----[<->-]<. ------. --------. >>>> ->--[<->-]<. < 1519961337 272257 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a \ in there < 1519961417 412032 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! "bf32 $(echo $(cat tmp/hello))" < 1519961418 417473 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1519961421 897076 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1519961456 768355 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` \! "bf64 $(echo $(cat tmp/hello))" < 1519961458 709892 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/bf64: not found < 1519961465 631091 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1519961496 166619 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs that in terminal too < 1519961924 389448 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ate a piece of chocolate that had been in the fridge too long < 1519961943 414093 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it's nothing serious. < 1519961958 765320 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( famous last words ) < 1519962067 100300 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? underload < 1519962068 148002 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1519962178 916068 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn underload//((HELP I AM TRAPPED IN AN UNDERLOAD QUINE COMMENT!)!:a(:^)*S):^ < 1519962181 919606 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'underload': ((HELP I AM TRAPPED IN AN UNDERLOAD QUINE COMMENT!)!:a(:^)*S):^ < 1519962197 863219 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((HELP I AM TRAPPED IN AN UNDERLOAD QUINE COMMENT!)!:a(:^)*S):^ < 1519962197 922467 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :((HELP I AM TRAPPED IN AN UNDERLOAD QUINE COMMENT!)!:a(:^)*S):^ < 1519962305 492140 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? piet < 1519962306 890839 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Piet 4is 7a 8really 9colourful 2programming 13language. < 1519963411 998816 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1519963466 610770 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 it sounds like the sort of idea that'd likely have been done already, but maybe not? <-- fizzie thought about a befunge JIT but i don't think he finished it < 1519963466 698359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1519963868 509977 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vamlhihanvlbpmbq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1519963873 180539 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tjsdihxanudqenui QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1519963882 780564 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1519963887 889366 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-saqyafrszpdbnzws QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1519963913 172991 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1519964036 352537 :zgrepc!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1519964123 484990 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aijxygbwpkzzcpac JOIN :#esoteric < 1519964230 817646 :incomprehensibly!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-juighvyufkautjoj JOIN :#esoteric < 1519964240 854602 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bumzgzfckyycmuju JOIN :#esoteric < 1519965614 132984 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1519965682 743090 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519966395 388190 :trout!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1519966561 955150 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1519968198 743184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IOTA-C014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54262&oldid=54258 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-7848) 10remove duplicate entries from table > 1519968924 350759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IOTA-C014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54263&oldid=54262 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+994) 10Add section Future > 1519969429 272157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IOTA-C014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54264&oldid=54263 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+0) 10Wrong line. < 1519969498 670598 :augur!~augur@2600:380:857c:2d28:6990:e3c:2545:8aa1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519970766 644818 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519972001 304192 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/en2sv < 1519972008 188791 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :11435:2018-03-01 `` rm -v bin/en2sv \ 5971:2015-09-10 ` -e bin/en2sv || >bin/en2sv echo $\'#!/usr/bin/perl\\n\'\'use Encode; binmode *$_,"encoding(utf8)" for STDIN,STDOUT; local$/; for (split//,) { rand(5)<3 and y/EOeo/\\xc4\\xc5\\xe4\\xe5/; print }\'; chmod a+x bin/en2sv \ 5970:2015-09-10 ` -e bin/en2sv < 1519972034 43222 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that was. < 1519972859 762325 :augur!~augur@2600:380:857c:2d28:6990:e3c:2545:8aa1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1519977908 267063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: english to swedish? it replaces each E/O/e/o by Ä/Å/ä/å with 60% probability. < 1519977933 106875 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRIC < 1519978069 213211 :Roger9!rdococ@cheapiesystems.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1519978070 240569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? int-e < 1519978071 525240 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans. Er hat ein Hipster-Spiel gekauft. < 1519978085 757190 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1519978145 741806 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: also, see my girl genius theory above (posted before today's update) < 1519978507 808353 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh "your young baron" < 1519978580 544171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how dare you complain about my absence at 4am < 1519978732 548473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm, peeping into the infinite... < 1519978968 211413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Can google find the previous occurrence (if any) of panel 6 for me? :P) < 1519979155 187391 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1519979308 158388 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519979331 440165 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there isn't a precise match but the sequence starts at http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100416 < 1519979383 676677 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i was more complaining about boily leaving seconds before < 1519979678 192827 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks < 1519979722 153588 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1519979730 575655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that explosions came up then as well < 1519979845 114200 :aloril!~aloril@80.246.146.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519981345 373431 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1519981610 946873 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bumzgzfckyycmuju QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1519981841 690713 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519982527 60571 :oerjan!oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1519984887 688955 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1519986002 729332 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519986087 82908 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1519987469 517556 :yaewa!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1519987490 483570 :moei!~moei@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1519988070 523023 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1519990668 290268 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1519991541 437301 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1519991895 763747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519992362 71760 :Naergon!~Naergon@unaffiliated/naergon QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1519992409 713460 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1519992827 733985 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, int-e: yes, that was from back when I added bin/wälcåmä < 1519993565 292260 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1519994480 916804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1519994555 299549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1519996971 195672 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1519997293 787972 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1519999499 429578 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520000989 522186 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1520001022 676425 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pong < 1520001038 65264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was checking whether my Enter key was working < 1520001045 420956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it does in Konversation but not info for some reason < 1520001053 160917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: specifically Enter, not Return) < 1520001069 259328 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why doesn't HackEgo react? < 1520001073 83531 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`starwars 9 < 1520001097 265102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be numlock-dependent, even odder < 1520001099 645064 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the provider is at it again < 1520001136 109090 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1520001138 753069 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cliegg Lars \ BB-9E \ Cassian Andor \ Admiral Firmus Piett \ Watto \ Lando Calrissian \ Jan Dodonna \ Nien Nunb \ the Sarlacc < 1520001158 151945 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was slow < 1520001165 585093 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping are you woken up now, HackEgo? < 1520001166 433055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1520001174 342521 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took him a minute to spin the disks up < 1520001204 368825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words 20 < 1520001216 634633 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ishir pocry plected urvier otreestal wrap timat sewah mutana eloir mar gand limal leagemmerconfi plation vited tsovet ncnto konnt stula < 1520001265 941201 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's reasonably good < 1520001406 288719 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1520001769 31488 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1520002287 949972 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:d5c9:49a7:79d:b541 JOIN :#esoteric < 1520002328 632351 :iconmaster!~iconmaste@2604:6000:b188:9800:d5c9:49a7:79d:b541 QUIT :Client Quit < 1520003135 288786 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1520003262 657748 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1520003582 658465 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric > 1520005479 342112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Singingbanana 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Flow Down Arithmetic Picture.png10]]" < 1520006248 651649 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1520007468 382414 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520007489 476819 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1520007817 352095 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1520009020 192617 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8668:2097:1db7:cbb5:bad5:5b07 JOIN :#esoteric < 1520009153 131186 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520009231 688826 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a466:b89c:8b48:3ce6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1520010415 252811 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1520011431 290761 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1520012908 327389 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1520013631 240393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1520015520 487667 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 78 < 1520015521 608318 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :78.00°F = 25.56°C < 1520015725 806241 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-komcbbfkwcksvcyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1520015820 792748 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( a .f to .c compiler ) < 1520016370 186441 :augur!~augur@2600:380:8668:2097:1db7:cbb5:bad5:5b07 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1520016886 598753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's not a joke, is it. < 1520016906 599397 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the spelling is a bit off, that's all) < 1520017165 184704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1520017775 93160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have figured out some more details about Hero Mesh file format now. < 1520017806 110711 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1520018155 747949 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1520018675 453795 :mniip!mniip@haskell/developer/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1520018743 553488 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1520018861 488678 :mniip!mniip@haskell/developer/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1520019971 516761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should need to include the Windows "System" font in Free Hero Mesh, since some puzzle sets arrange the text in a fancy way, and so, it is necessary to have the correct font metrics in order to emulate that. < 1520020536 184922 :augur!~augur@104-244-24-85.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520020668 318514 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or at least include its font metrics including kerning table for the sizes used, but not the bitmap appearances of the glyphs themselves < 1520020759 696107 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is at least one sets of fonts that deliberately reproduces the font metrics of the MS fonts Times New Roman and Arial to allow for laying out some MS word documents exactly the same as the MS software does while claiming to be free software per the debian definition < 1520020773 421872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at least the metrics are needed (only one size is used); even if the glyphs aren't included, it will still work, that is correct. As far as I know it doesn't have kerning but I don't know, maybe it does include kerning. < 1520020958 110751 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but I don't know how much that is necessary, as opposed to just adding special knowledge about all the puzzles that do arrange text in a way that matters < 1520020961 476087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a free bitmap font with the correct metrics? < 1520020999 473031 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it have to be bitmap? < 1520021041 807665 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think there is < 1520021042 645205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: The puzzles will still work without the correct font metrics; the arrangement of the text will just look wrong, but will still be readable. Just some level titles will look bad if the metrics are wrong. < 1520021101 13740 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fonts-liberation2 says "the same metrics as the (non-free) Microsoft Times, Arial and Courier fonts, which implies those fonts can serve as a drop-in replacement", but mind you, they are bad fonts, I recommend against them unless you really really need both the font metrics and the strict debian definition of fre < 1520021101 181031 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e software < 1520021118 114103 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't include the System font < 1520021150 365879 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider though that if you're not debian, then the MS fonts actually have a reasonable license that allows you to use them in most situations < 1520021161 706668 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so consider using the actual original bitmap fonts < 1520021495 480616 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the MS fonts are actually good looking professional ones (notwithstanding the ugly "A" in one size of System), and most of the replacements are half-assed bad quality ones. < 1520021569 45179 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This applies both to the old ones (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New) and the newer ones (Cambria, Calibri, Consolas) < 1520021899 931136 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGIRL, dying... < 1520022444 93119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, I can do without the font, but would like to add that one size of the System bitmap font anyways. I do need a bitmap font though; a vector font won't do. < 1520022536 319275 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1520022563 628950 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1520022584 546175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I have read somewhere that bitmap fonts are not copyright? < 1520023507 167041 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-komcbbfkwcksvcyz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1520023553 263861 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a466:b89c:8b48:3ce6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1520024238 268664 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1520024495 457891 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1520025438 468971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: zzo38: in the US, bitmap fonts are not copyrightable, so long as you copy the bitmap itself (rather than the font file) < 1520025449 295582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may not be true in other countries < 1520025483 942864 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would the "bitmap" be, if not the font file? < 1520025504 194739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: an image consisting of every character in the font < 1520025536 243568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can legally do that with other sorts of font too, it's just not normally enough information to recreate the original font < 1520025671 437241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is basically because you can't copyright a typeface, but you can copyright an implementation of a typeface… < 1520025674 856158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the US, that is) < 1520025739 380052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways I only need the metrics, and it would help to have the bitmaps too, but the original font file is not needed. < 1520025786 580121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although different glyphs could still work, if they are still bitmaps, and the metrics are correct. < 1520026412 105168 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok < 1520026434 422819 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1520026442 183290 :Hoolootwo!Hooloovoo@hooloovoo.blue JOIN :#esoteric > 1520026719 544055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wierd Machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=54266 5* 03Singingbanana 5* (+712) 10Created page with "The '''''Wierd Machine''' is a theoretical computer science construct of a 2-cell machine which can implement the cat utility, can(theoretically) implement the Truth-Machine..." < 1520026746 537759 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me, < 1520026805 649734 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident claims that Incident wasn't proven to be Turing-complete. But haven't you actually proved that with oerjan's help? If not, which part of the proof is missing? < 1520026840 890344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every bit's been proven at least informally, now < 1520026853 866772 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1520026856 393597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there's any actual compiler or other rigorously specified way of showing it works < 1520026876 203016 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1520026879 613314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit less proven than Three Star Programmer (which is a bit less proven than, say, brainfuck) < 1520026916 247502 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that compare to M:tG without assuming anything about player's behavior except that they don't resign? < 1520026984 8583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a proof but it doesn't quite work < 1520027003 854618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Waterfall Model was an attempt to fix it, incidentally; I have an M:tG implementation of that with five waterclocks < 1520027010 840777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that possibly isn't enough for TCness < 1520027027 693412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWM is obviously TC but it's really hard to golf, or at least I haven't figured out how yet < 1520027042 167421 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I haven't read about that < 1520027076 959159 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link for the M:tG implementation of Waterfall with five clocks? < 1520027104 122081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, so far it's only in my head < 1520027116 502745 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1520027123 758860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you call it Waterfall Model instead of Waterclocks Model? < 1520027131 435333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic idea is to use three Faceless Devourers controlled by one player to give infinite, unstoppable ETB triggers < 1520027149 929130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's a famous, and somewhat discredited, software engineering technique < 1520027162 287879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1520027164 321726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided to reuse the name < 1520027203 474129 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! Faveless Devourers. Using that card is a sure sign of an old M:tG player < 1520027208 290167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: when they ETB every creature gets -1/-1 (there's a card that outright has that effect) < 1520027215 837048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is the Future Sight version < 1520027220 131358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Faceless Devourer < 1520027223 113036 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faceless Devourer \ 2B \ Creature -- Nightmare Horror \ 2/1 \ Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.) \ When Faceless Devourer enters the battlefield, exile another target creature with shadow. \ When Faceless Devourer leaves the battlefield, return the exiled card to the battlefield under its owner's control. < 1520027227 923800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, or Time Spiral block at least < 1520027242 418746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that because they have such a narrow targeting restriction they can't be targeted at anything other thana each ot her < 1520027252 244326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should fix it to omit reminder text like the other IRC does. < 1520027252 587044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than each other < 1520027269 163556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that provides the steady decrease < 1520027275 78607 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1520027310 825973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then for the zeroing triggers, we have a "when a creature of this type dies, recreate it" effect via hacking the same cleric creature Alex Churchill uses so that the two types are the same < 1520027313 728550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's called < 1520027343 376076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when the new one ETBs it puts a whole load of +1/+1 counters everywhere using Baru, Fist of Krosa < 1520027349 131667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Baru, Fist of Krosa < 1520027350 30120 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baru, Fist of Krosa \ 3GG \ Legendary Creature -- Human Druid \ 4/4 \ Whenever a Forest enters the battlefield, green creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample until end of turn. \ Grandeur -- Discard another card named Baru, Fist of Krosa: Create an X/X green Wurm creature token, where X is the number of lands you control. \ FUT-R < 1520027376 411900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change "forest" and "green" individually in order to control both the key and value of the zeroing triggers < 1520027382 648169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :key = forest, value = green < 1520027387 537382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use duplicates to change how many counters are added < 1520027395 883641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you also need Mirror Gallery but that's not really a problem) < 1520027414 125036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Life and Limb in order to make your creatures have basic land types) < 1520027428 978014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are only five colors and only five basic land types, which limits you to five waterclocks with this construction < 1520027462 616756 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Rotlung Reanimator < 1520027464 302310 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotlung Reanimator \ 2B \ Creature -- Zombie Cleric \ 2/2 \ Whenever Rotlung Reanimator or another Cleric dies, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token. \ ONS-R < 1520027468 381466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the "when a creature dies, recreate it" trigger needs to be controlled by the player who doesn't control the faceless devourers, so that the triggers stack in the right order) < 1520027469 888253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that one < 1520027476 739865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hack it so that both creature tyeps are the same < 1520027558 732359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is a really simple construction, but it's a pity that five counters may not be enough for TCness < 1520027574 414694 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Noxious Ghoul < 1520027575 401114 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noxious Ghoul \ 3BB \ Creature -- Zombie \ 3/3 \ Whenever Noxious Ghoul or another Zombie enters the battlefield, all non-Zombie creatures get -1/-1 until end of turn. \ LGN-U, HOP-U < 1520027614 13205 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not the right one < 1520027615 43811 :augur!~augur@104-244-24-85.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1520027632 457175 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is < 1520027646 273006 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're triggering on the Faceless < 1520027646 373549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. it's the right one < 1520027659 747770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1520027710 473137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about the "non-Zombie" (i.e. non-Horror after hacking) is that you can just give Horror as a creature type to the ROM creatures to preent them being affected < 1520027727 334660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely many -1/-1s is pretty hard to resist, I'm not sure it's even possible < 1520027745 517055 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if it';s not counters < 1520027764 950373 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Indestructibility < 1520027765 838548 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indestructibility \ 3W \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant permanent \ Enchanted permanent has indestructible. (Effects that say "destroy" don't destroy that permanent. A creature with indestructible can't be destroyed by damage.) \ M10-R, M14-R < 1520027787 601383 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1520027791 549276 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupid < 1520027792 141361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indestructibility doesn't protect you from toughness 0 < 1520027813 878619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it dies as a state-based action, but the state-based action doesn't destroy it. < 1520027829 253065 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1520027845 353049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a creature has enough damage marked on it equal to or more than toughness, than a state-based action does destroy it, so anything that prevents destruction will prevent it. < 1520028272 12882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if the Noxious Ghoul / Archangel of Thune / Conspiracy combo would work < 1520028619 561529 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the limitation of five basic land types can be circumvented here by some strange card that cares about two different creature types in just the right way. < 1520028633 374501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I was thinking of Dralnu's Crusade, not Conspiracy < 1520028633 917125 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boldwyr Intimidator probably doesn't help < 1520028638 774748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Dralnu's Crusade < 1520028639 498622 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dralnu's Crusade \ 1BR \ Enchantment \ Goblin creatures get +1/+1. \ All Goblins are black and are Zombies in addition to their other creature types. \ PS-R < 1520028653 510168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the few cards that mentions two different creature types in an exploitable way < 1520028670 592183 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look what lorwyn has, it has some interactions between the three minor and five major creature types I think < 1520028681 23191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't work as stated as you can't control the order of the minus from Noxious Ghoul and + from Archangel of Thune < 1520028718 578488 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to have more than two players for this? < 1520028791 982973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to do it with two if possible < 1520028814 445380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ideal is to do it with 15 or fewer cards so that you can fit the whole thing into a sideboard and use it as a finisher for the wish variant of Omnitell < 1520028821 225377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could plausibly make it happen in an actual tournament < 1520028835 707648 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Omnitell? < 1520028874 266571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Legacy deck, it's a fairly resilient combo deck < 1520028887 988131 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides the obvious objection that the tournament rules would ban this, it doesn't seem very likely to me that you could do this in 15 cards < 1520028889 263256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end state of the combo gives you the ability to cast any spell in your deck for free < 1520028906 496554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, repeatedly < 1520028921 635012 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the combo already helps you somewhat, by giving you Omniscience? < 1520028926 744106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally people use Release the Ants as the finisher, as it's just one card, but you typically get it from your sideboard using Wishes < 1520028931 98115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yep < 1520028939 585321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Release the Ants < 1520028940 456525 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Release the Ants \ 1R \ Instant \ Release the Ants deals 1 damage to target creature or player. Clash with an opponent. If you win, return Release the Ants to its owner's hand. (Each clashing player reveals the top card of his or her library, then puts that card on the top or bottom. A player wins if his or her card had a higher converted mana cost < 1520028966 722586 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, I wouldn't have thought of that one < 1520028975 42900 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1520029041 722209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, getting it via Cunning Wish is just as good as having it directly in your deck once all spells cost 0 < 1520029042 779860 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1520029051 983181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cunning Wish is more useful if you draw it naturally < 1520029100 623705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the idea would be to get an infinite recycling card (e.g. Wheel of Sun and Moon) and Research // Development < 1520029113 818401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you shuffle your sideboard into your library < 1520029149 144087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you'd also need Divination or the like in order to avoid your library accumulating cards < 1520029156 975150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all that shouldn't make the deck /much/ weaker < 1520029163 157729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you can do anything, like set up a Turing machine < 1520029208 817685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that your maindeck hardly needs changing, and it's a maindeck that can win games < 1520029290 570163 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy it is to make a mandatory infinite loop with a cooperating opponent where the iteration contains turn boundaries? Panoptic Mirror helps a lot, I think < 1520029312 295090 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by cooperating opponent, I mean cooperating before the start of the loop < 1520029317 897690 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after that it still has to be mandatory < 1520029360 349272 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opponent could play four Elixir of Immortality and 56 Plains to lock him down < 1520029368 323783 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, not that < 1520029386 888966 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1520029435 257177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Eon Hub < 1520029435 981042 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eon Hub \ 5 \ Artifact \ Players skip their upkeep steps. \ 5DN-R < 1520029439 982556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Colfenor's Plans < 1520029442 879593 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colfenor's Plans \ 2BB \ Enchantment \ When Colfenor's Plans enters the battlefield, exile the top seven cards of your library face down. \ You may look at and play cards exiled with Colfenor's Plans. \ Skip your draw step. \ You can't cast more than one spell each turn. \ LRW-R < 1520029447 30701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Stasis < 1520029448 349749 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stasis \ 1U \ Enchantment \ Players skip their untap steps. \ At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Stasis unless you pay {U}. \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R, 4E-R, 5E-R, ME4-R \ \ Stasis Cell \ 4U \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant creature \ Enchanted creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step. \ {3}{U}: Attach Stasis Cell to target crea < 1520029464 773075 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, that combo means that players are skipping all of untap, upkeep, and draw < 1520029470 744975 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, Skip your draw step < 1520029479 421132 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how you'd prevent decking < 1520029485 382616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's trivial to arrang a situation in which nobody can do anything < 1520029489 902562 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no natural way to draw out of it < 1520029504 463033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colfenor's Plans could potentially be enough by itself if there's nothing else on board < 1520029528 54574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although both players would need one) < 1520029529 464128 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychic Spiral on a Panoptic Mirror would stop you from decking, but it has an unfortunate side effect < 1520029547 174494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of anti-decking cards < 1520029558 662111 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but most of them aren't mandatory < 1520029566 375502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, 4 Emrakuls and 4 Ulamogs without any way to cast them < 1520029570 685997 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1520029582 832481 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever get all 8 in hand, you have to discard one during cleanup and it shuffles your graveyard into your library < 1520029586 398860 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the big Hydra < 1520029599 655366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the wording on that is very slightly different < 1520029602 814417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Progenitus < 1520029603 493846 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progenitus \ WWUUBBRRGG \ Legendary Creature -- Hydra Avatar \ 10/10 \ Protection from everything \ If Progenitus would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Progenitus and shuffle it into its owner's library instead. \ CON-M, MMA-M, V11-M < 1520029609 353079 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that < 1520029612 995183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Emrakul, the Aeons Torn < 1520029614 37762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emrakul, the Aeons Torn \ 15 \ Legendary Creature -- Eldrazi \ 15/15 \ Emrakul, the Aeons Torn can't be countered. \ When you cast Emrakul, take an extra turn after this one. \ Flying, protection from colored spells, annihilator 6 \ When Emrakul is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library. < 1520029622 817406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Progenitus is in general a lot less abusable < 1520029641 995926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it only affects itself, not the rest of the graveyard < 1520029648 321061 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1520029650 76468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess in this case, having one card there is enough < 1520029757 497111 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think 15 cards would be hard because there's a lot of infrastructure you need to make many copies of multiple cards < 1520029763 415418 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude JOIN :#esoteric < 1520029775 159054 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1520029778 688377 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe you're right < 1520029792 599726 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have generic enough anti-decking, plus Omnipotence, then maybe it's not that bad < 1520029948 541208 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name cackling counterpart < 1520029949 594188 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cackling Counterpart \ 1UU \ Instant \ Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. \ Flashback {5}{U}{U} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.) \ ISD-R, C14-R, MM3-R < 1520030052 183611 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Elvish Branchbender < 1520030052 953131 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elvish Branchbender \ 2G \ Creature -- Elf Druid \ 2/2 \ {T}: Until end of turn, target Forest becomes an X/X Treefolk creature in addition to its other types, where X is the number of Elves you control. \ LRW-C < 1520030066 501478 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not usable < 1520030069 436783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1520030075 196230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find it? < 1520030092 869513 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking through all lorwyn block giants, treefolk, and fairies < 1520030108 80756 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are the minor tribes, and I know some of those cards care about one of the major tribes < 1520030116 614906 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I don't think it happens to fairies) < 1520030151 71121 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Hearthcage Giant < 1520030152 254547 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hearthcage Giant \ 6RR \ Creature -- Giant Warrior \ 5/5 \ When Hearthcage Giant enters the battlefield, create two 3/1 red Elemental Shaman creature tokens. \ Sacrifice an Elemental: Target Giant creature gets +3/+1 until end of turn. \ LRW-U < 1520030159 821046 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one that's not usable because it's on an activated ability < 1520030270 497836 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What creature types does Shadowmoor and Eventide care about, besides the Lorwyn ones and Warrior? < 1520030305 498933 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1520030318 145428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, so close: < 1520030328 241496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name soulcatchers' aerie < 1520030331 189333 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soulcatchers' Aerie \ 1W \ Enchantment \ Whenever a Bird is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, put a feather counter on Soulcatchers' Aerie. \ Bird creatures get +1/+1 for each feather counter on Soulcatchers' Aerie. \ JUD-U < 1520030342 386927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only those two creature types were different, it'd be perfect < 1520030356 471690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not quite, would implement a different esolang but one that's still probably TC < 1520030359 345234 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there a lot of clerics where you could say the same? < 1520030431 561883 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should look through cards that care about clerics or soldiers. they had a lot of goodies back then. soldiers still have some, but the cleric tribal seems entirely abandonned. < 1520030515 113121 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Battletide Alchemist < 1520030516 71923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a search for clerics with "whenever" in their oracle text didn't find anything useful < 1520030516 199150 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battletide Alchemist \ 3WW \ Creature -- Kithkin Cleric \ 3/4 \ If a source would deal damage to a player, you may prevent X of that damage, where X is the number of Clerics you control. \ MOR-R < 1520030517 30029 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not entirely < 1520030533 817224 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for clerics and soldiers, I'm not expecting anything with two creature types < 1520030569 568061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from Rotlung Reanimator but we're already using that < 1520030629 314061 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know about Daru Spiritualist, right? it's useful for infinite healing decks, although there are a lot of other cards that can replace it < 1520030658 225446 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably still going to use it if when I rebuild that deck better, because its cheap mana cost makes it attractive < 1520030668 423921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it, not sure how it helps here < 1520030708 145069 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plus it combos with Starlit Sanctum) < 1520030955 373175 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Panoptic Mirror isn't easy to use, because it has a "may" < 1520030993 368428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name faces of the past < 1520030995 788147 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faces of the Past \ 2U \ Enchantment \ Whenever a creature dies, tap all untapped creatures that share a creature type with it or untap all tapped creatures that share a creature type with it. \ SCG-R < 1520031020 111440 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems really promising as it means we can use a card's ability as one creature type, and its type line (which is very hackable) as another < 1520031036 904188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, "or", how annoying < 1520031054 611584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original was ambiguous and I was hoping it'd have been oracled to "and" < 1520031118 593391 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Avacyn's Collar < 1520031119 455212 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avacyn's Collar \ 1 \ Artifact -- Equipment \ Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has vigilance. \ Whenever equipped creature dies, if it was a Human, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying. \ Equip {2} \ DKA-U < 1520031129 620793 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no good < 1520031265 518028 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Dread Slaver < 1520031266 617488 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dread Slaver \ 3BB \ Creature -- Zombie Horror \ 3/5 \ Whenever a creature dealt damage by Dread Slaver this turn dies, return it to the battlefield under your control. That creature is a black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types. \ AVR-R < 1520031273 72990 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Alpha Brawl < 1520031273 722307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha Brawl \ 6RR \ Sorcery \ Target creature an opponent controls deals damage equal to its power to each other creature that player controls, then each of those creatures deals damage equal to its power to that creature. \ DKA-R < 1520031314 613209 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the latter isn't too easy, you can't force it to target the right creature more than one or two ways < 1520031390 185132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1520031394 992782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Hungry Lynx < 1520031395 746762 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungry Lynx \ 1G \ Creature -- Cat \ 2/2 \ Cats you control have protection from Rats. (They can't be blocked, targeted, or dealt damage by Rats.) \ At the beginning of your end step, target opponent creates a 1/1 black Rat creature token with deathtouch. \ Whenever a Rat dies, put a +1/+1 counter on each Cat you control. \ C17-R < 1520031404 633553 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1520031410 123414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first two abilities do nothing, third is exactly the effect we want < 1520031418 799180 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say they do nothing, but still < 1520031424 586350 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the third one is exactly what we need < 1520031429 879424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in this construction < 1520031449 553034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you Commander 17 < 1520031460 431916 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1520031467 809469 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecting to see the exact ability I needed appearing as printed on a single card < 1520031476 43872 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me neither < 1520031512 640533 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520031537 421660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one remaining problem is that newly played cards will appear at the wrong toughness but that can be fixed with a huge stack of creature-type-specific anthems < 1520031623 143746 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520031635 612548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that their "natural" stats hit the toughness we need < 1520031696 505244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, what cards do we need altogether? < 1520031723 647707 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Brass Herald < 1520031724 848226 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brass Herald \ 6 \ Artifact Creature -- Golem \ 2/2 \ As Brass Herald enters the battlefield, choose a creature type. \ When Brass Herald enters the battlefield, reveal the top four cards of your library. Put all creature cards of the chosen type revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order. \ Creatures o < 1520031744 497114 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1520031745 761714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triggers: Noxious Ghoul, Faceless Devourer, Hungry Lynx, Rotlung Reanimator < 1520031753 879928 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1520031762 893357 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that card is in commander 17, then who's updated HackEgo's database such that it's already in it? < 1520031770 670352 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was commander 17 released? < 1520031780 261145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time in 2017 I guess < 1520031790 57385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :core sets were numbered after the following year < 1520031794 49096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but commander sets are numbered after their own year, I think < 1520031815 345844 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment, I can look this up, there's a really good wikipedia article < 1520031860 949394 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017-08-25 < 1520031890 94261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup: Artifical Evolution, Cackling Counterpart, Blades of Velis Vel < 1520031914 326908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the Blades make things immune to Noxious Ghoul's effect) < 1520031951 357222 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Blade sounds like it's hard to get out from though < 1520031954 14133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :permanent toughness set: lord of atlantis < 1520031963 38960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Blades are only used on the ROM < 1520031969 389385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent its toughness decreasing < 1520031984 815487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus they never die or ETB, and we don't need to worry about their toughness randomly /increasing/ < 1520032006 309214 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no. Lord of Atlantis is now a Merfolk, ever since the Lorwyn updates < 1520032029 540379 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want Brass Herald < 1520032031 281261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: you Blades of Velis Vel it < 1520032054 420504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't die to Noxious Ghoul < 1520032061 409070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else will have a negative effect on it < 1520032099 652361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sits there, being a changeling means it can't be -1/-1'd, and you don't care about how many +1/+1s it gets < 1520032109 841587 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting tired to evaluate this now, but we have logs < 1520032115 476571 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel logs that is < 1520032130 410132 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you use to recycle spells? < 1520032143 569873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name wheel of sun and moon < 1520032146 838272 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheel of Sun and Moon \ (g/w)(g/w) \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant player \ If a card would be put into enchanted player's graveyard from anywhere, instead that card is revealed and put on the bottom of that player's library. \ SHM-R < 1520032156 83630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name null profusion < 1520032156 865181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Null Profusion \ 4BB \ Enchantment \ Skip your draw step. \ Whenever you play a card, draw a card. \ Your maximum hand size is two. \ PLC-R < 1520032163 619429 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1520032178 811981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that combo lets you just keep casting spells forever < 1520032184 484011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have an empty library, at least < 1520032191 301099 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that enough? what do you do with spells you don't want? < 1520032199 321079 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cards in your hand that you don't want < 1520032219 132266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we're assuming that you have your entire deck in your hand and omniscience on the battlefield < 1520032226 709067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the end state of the omnitell combo) < 1520032247 555881 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, empty library < 1520032255 737748 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1520032278 562202 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you need to fetch your whole sideboard? < 1520032293 3605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name research // development < 1520032293 845279 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Research // Development \ GU // 3UR \ Instant // Instant \ Choose up to four cards you own from outside the game and shuffle them into your library. // Create a 3/1 red Elemental creature token unless any opponent has you draw a card. Repeat this process two more times. \ DIS-R < 1520032309 293203 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zex1glfa1xy3qc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1520032315 223079 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1520032323 34332 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1520032369 809599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT you need WoSaM in your maindeck (at least it's not a terrible card – it hoses some graveyard strategies) < 1520032373 887548 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, um, do you know if Waterfall Model with 350 (or whatever is the current or near-future number of M:tG non-silver-border-only creature types) clocks is TC? < 1520032377 853303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but R//D can be in your sideboard < 1520032403 226045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the minimum number of clocks needed for TCness is but it's surely got to be less than that < 1520032601 517224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that you start the programming (once the combo's setup) using Cunning Wish (from your maindeck) for R//D, WoSaM (from your maindeck) so that you can cast it multiple times, and cantrips from your maindeck to keep redrawing it before you have Null Profusion < 1520032699 910283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, even better: the deck naturally features two copies of Emrakul < 1520032733 329896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Omniscience out, you can get the graveyard recycle by playing one when the other's on the battlefield, and tuhs legend-ruling it so it goes into the graveyard and recycles it < 1520032922 321392 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1520033033 757981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one last thing we need to do is to produce an observable effect, i.e. making someone win when a particular creature dies < 1520033061 681003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if we're setting this up in a real game we'll probably need to adjust life totals first < 1520033136 834386 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you also need to animate artifacts or enchantments or something so you can Cackling them? < 1520033154 740540 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is everything you need naturally a creature or sorcery or instant? < 1520033188 617050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all creatures/sorceries/instants in this version, I thiink < 1520033467 889923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, they're all nonlegendary < 1520033597 14410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, we also need a Donate effect < 1520033600 652642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that shouldn't be too hard < 1520033637 477580 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Bazaar Trader < 1520033659 57257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harmless Offering is the obvious choice given that we'll mostly be donating Hungry Lynxes < 1520033680 585390 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1520033684 922392 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1520034066 476518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, we also need a way to get rid of our own setup ability < 1520034070 228786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. by exiling our own hand < 1520034149 61053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cranial Extraction works, actually even Surgical Extraction is probably enough < 1520034312 240136 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you use Holistic Wisdom to get rid of cards from your hand but also pull double-duty to start the setup? < 1520034321 719245 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, probably won't help < 1520034353 828637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infinite enough < 1520034371 753387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we need to get rid of any ability the opponent might have to make choices < 1520034384 689879 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1520034406 790107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means we want to be able to exile their hand too < 1520034428 949130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Slaughter Games, in that case? < 1520034439 111013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can exile a nonland card from anywhere but the battlefield < 1520034443 601916 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cranial Extraction is great because it also lets you exile cards from a graveyard, which is actually relevant against many opponents in an eternal format < 1520034475 469857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surgical Extraction /only/ lets you do that if the card's in a graveyard, but it costs 4 less < 1520034480 743639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a common hate card in eternal formats < 1520034540 540064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, Slaughter Games can't self-target < 1520034584 255776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surgical it is, then, I guess < 1520034807 543519 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a worse possibility, use any split second spell to shut down most choices, and as a response, sacrifice your Wild Cantor to start the program with a death trigger < 1520034817 529026 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1520034826 645367 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this version you can't start with a death trigger < 1520034833 958945 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that wouldn't work < 1520034835 176691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1520034851 961189 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you only have etb triggers? < 1520034882 57226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are death triggers on the Faceless Devourers < 1520034890 345159 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm tired and confused now, I can't think straight < 1520034899 731528 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to file all this until tomorrow < 1520034912 892691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the setup there is nontrivial but it might be possible? < 1520034922 659394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the "traditional" start of this is to cast the third copy < 1520034928 163438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say we stifle it somehow < 1520034965 565259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, we're going to need three /physical/ Faceless Devourers for the infinite death trigger loop if we do it like this < 1520034971 511496 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps we should create it some other way < 1520035003 868954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rotlung Reanimator + a static -2/-2 effect, for example < 1520035010 573374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that we have a token being created and dying infinitely < 1520035064 753154 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1520035070 88976 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's a nice quick way < 1520035085 929138 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what triggers on the deaths now other than that? < 1520035092 739682 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you ensure the correct order? < 1520035097 201467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noxious Ghoul is watching for the token's creature type < 1520035106 866852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :triggering on deaths < 1520035111 749801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we control that as the active player < 1520035131 423851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if it kills something else at the same time, that gets reanimated by a donated Rotlung Reanimator < 1520035135 826834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the opponent's control < 1520035144 67034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to APNAP our trigger stacks first so it resolves last < 1520035186 753435 :wob_jonas!b03f18c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds exactly like the black magic it is