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00:50:00 <lambdabot> int-e said 13h 2m 16s ago: Dupree and Gil.
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03:00:03 <zzo38> Hello
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04:11:15 <zzo38> I read a book in library written by both Chopra and Mlodinow. I found a review, which look good to me, although the review misspelled Mlodinow's name in the title (the text of the review does not have the same error). The review says, they ask: what deep truth does science tell us about the world? I agree what the reviewer wrote, which is that, it doesn't. I agree with Laplace.
04:11:54 <zzo38> As the reviewer wrote: The scientific response to this metaphysics is what Laplace said, it is, "I have no need of that hypothesis."
04:15:21 <zzo38> I agree when Mlodinow says, we are the biological machine governed by the same laws that govern Pluto. But, that isn't a "deep truth" about anything, and isn't the metaphysical question. Metaphysics is the philosophical question, and it is different. It helps to not be confused between metaphysics and science, I think. Do you think?
04:17:54 <zzo38> (But, I don't know if you have any interest in philosophy or not; well, I do, and I have a book "There are two errors in the the title of this book" about philosophy. One thing they say is that, you can write a serious philosophical book consisting entirely of jokes, and also that you can write a serious philosophical book consisting entirely of questions (without answers). That book isn't those things, though.)
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04:25:46 <zzo38> (Although it look to me a lot of what Chopra wrote is confused, still there are a few good points. Especially if you are writing a debate, there are going to be some points on both sides.)
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04:35:18 <HackEgo> 1/1:we//We are the champions. \ dew//In the Famous Mountains of York, Taneb makes dew. \ jit//JIT is just in time. \ despair//Despair is but the first step towards eternal damnation. \ twnh//twnh is dubious hambiguitous help that will or will not be help. It is provided by a toe with no hair.
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06:53:39 <zzo38> Do you know anything about how to read the correct extents from an embroidery file? What I have currently, the picture is off centre and is cut off.
06:54:25 <zzo38> (This suggests I am starting at the wrong coordinates, but I do not know how to determine the correct starting coordinates.)
07:13:55 <zzo38> (Actually, I found some mistakes; I can try again now)
07:15:35 <zzo38> Now I got the positioning correct, although the colours are now wrong.
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08:20:42 <zzo38> The shape is correct now, but the colours are wrong. I found two different lists of colours, and neither seems to match the expected colours. I get blue where red is expected, orange where blue is expected, and purple where yellow is expected; green is correct, though. I checked the thread numbers and they seem to specify these wrong colours. Do you know what is wrong? (The channels are in the correct order; I checked.)
08:31:13 <zzo38> (The problem may be the files I downloaded at first are defective; I tried other files, and they have the correct colours.)
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09:57:58 <int-e> Have I done this before? Does ^(.*[^ab].*|.*((aa|bb)....................b|(ab|ba)....................a).*|b?(bb)?(bbbb)?(bbbbbbbb)?(bbbbbb)?(b?|a.*)|.*ab?(bb)?(bbbb)?(bbbbbbbb)?(bbbbbb)?)$ accept all possible strings (i.e., the same as ^.*$)?
09:59:25 <shachaf> Is this produced as a complement or something like that?
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11:02:16 <int-e> shachaf: it's a complement of something, yes.
11:03:32 <int-e> (this isn't as facetious as it probably sounds... thinking about the complement is the right way to make sense of the r.e.)
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11:43:56 <boily> `5 w
11:44:02 <HackEgo> 1/2:snap//Snap is a simple web development framework for unix systems, written in the Haskell programming language. Snap has a high level of test coverage and is well-documented. \ oya yakuman//We don't know what an oya yakuman is, but based on boily's reaction, it must be quite painful. \ kmc//kmc did not run the International Devious Code C
11:44:03 <boily> `n
11:44:04 <HackEgo> 2/2:ontest of 2013. \ portugoose//Peça ganso assado com natas. \ ci//The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb.
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13:29:14 <wob_jonas> wait, just how many groups are there who have invented Taneb?
13:29:28 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -i 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/*
13:29:39 <HackEgo> grep: wisdom/8: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/biweekly: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\_(ツ)_: Is a directory \ wisdom/bbc:The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, vill
13:29:58 <wob_jonas> yeah yeah, shut up
13:30:10 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/*
13:30:11 <HackEgo> wisdom/bbc:The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it. \ wisdom/ci:The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. \ w
13:30:33 <wob_jonas> `2 ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/*
13:30:34 <HackEgo> 2/1:
13:30:51 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+2
13:30:52 <HackEgo> wisdom/ci:The CIs are a secret society led by David Morgan-Mar, bent on conquering the world from Sydney with webcomics and unsolvable puzzles. They invented Taneb. \ wisdom/deniability:Deniability was not invented by Taneb. \ wisdom/fundamental theorem of taneb:The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb states that for all strings S, if S describes a thing 
13:31:02 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+4
13:31:04 <HackEgo> wisdom/fundamental theorem of taneb:The Fundamental Theorem of Taneb states that for all strings S, if S describes a thing not involving sex, then it is provable that Taneb invented the thing described by S; and, furthermore, that it is provable that there exists a string T that describes a thing not involving sex that Taneb did not invent. \ wisdo
13:31:21 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+5
13:31:23 <HackEgo> wisdom/go:Go is a common irregular verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes catching monsters in the strategic territories of East Asia. \ wisdom/grace period:The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma. \ wisdom/lambek's lemma:Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lamb
13:31:36 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+7
13:31:37 <HackEgo> wisdom/lambek's lemma:Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lambek, states that initial algebras have inverses. It can be proved with as few as five arrows. \ wisdom/nih:NIH was /not/ invented by Taneb. \ wisdom/noooooooodle:Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. \ w
13:31:46 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+9
13:31:48 <HackEgo> wisdom/nooooooooodle:Nooooooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. \ wisdom/progres:Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb. \ wisdom/real:The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. \ wisdom/taneb:Taneb is not elliott
13:31:58 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+12
13:32:00 <HackEgo> wisdom/taneb:Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventi
13:32:09 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+13
13:32:11 <HackEgo> wisdom/tetris:Tetris is where Soviet Russia was invented. Taneb was not present although Triangle and Robert were. \ wisdom/the reals:The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994. \ wisdom/the universe:The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet.
13:32:41 <wob_jonas> ``` egrep -si 'invent.*taneb' wisdom/* | tail -n+16
13:32:43 <HackEgo> No output.
13:32:52 <wob_jonas> so only the CI
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20:22:26 <mroman> blsq ) begin lisp (?+ 3 2) end lisp
20:22:27 <mroman> 5
20:24:14 <mroman> muahahah!
20:27:12 <mroman> although try parsing in parsec is kinda sucky
20:27:13 <mroman> because
20:27:20 <mroman> if there's a syntax error in (try parseLisp)
20:27:22 <mroman> it won't show it
20:27:27 <mroman> but then it tries to parse something else
20:27:28 <mroman> and
20:27:36 <mroman> pretty much every bullshit is valid in burlesque :D
20:31:10 <mroman> wasn't there a quote
20:31:11 <mroman> `quote
20:31:12 <HackEgo> 978) <elliott> prediction: kmc never comes back  * kmc has joined #esoteric
20:31:16 <mroman> `quote moo
20:31:17 <HackEgo> 26) <zzo38> I am not on the moon. \ 204) <Phantom_Hoover> [...] reyouthismootherate [...] \ 439) <Phantom_Hoover> OK, Taneb's been taken by a mood and he needs raw emeralds.  <Phantom_Hoover> It's been fun knowing him. \ 454) <zzo38> What is miff-muffered moof?  <itidus20> that's a tough question \ 513) <elliott> When the moon hits your eye like a 
20:31:22 <mroman> `quote burlesque
20:31:23 <HackEgo> 1216) <mroman_> piece of cake doing this stuff in Burlesque :P [19 lines later] <mroman_> I hate Burlesque :(
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20:34:01 <wob_jonas> mroman: how does that syntax even work?
20:34:30 <wob_jonas> the begin lisp thing
20:34:37 <wob_jonas> that makes no sense
20:35:48 <wob_jonas> blsq) 10rn
20:36:03 <wob_jonas> blsq: 10rn
20:36:13 <wob_jonas> blsq ) 11 rn
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20:42:48 <mroman> wob_jonas: there's no blsq bot here
20:42:59 <wob_jonas> mroman: yeah, I noticed
20:43:03 <wob_jonas> still, that's a strange syntax
20:43:12 <mroman> how does it work?
20:43:15 <mroman> why wouldn't it work?
20:43:18 <wob_jonas> is "be" a command that does that magic?
20:43:22 <mroman> no
20:43:26 <wob_jonas> or is half of that just unnecessary?\
20:44:05 <mroman> begin lisp (be)gin 2 2 end lisp
20:44:09 <mroman> ^- this is valid blsq code
20:44:21 <mroman> it parses as {be gi n  li sp (be) gi n  2 2 en d  li sp}
20:44:38 <mroman> burlesque has a lot of "trial and error" parsing
20:44:51 <mroman> if the stuff between begin lisp ... end lisp isn't valid lisp
20:44:54 <mroman> it will parse it as regular syntax
20:45:17 <wob_jonas> right, but what does the begin lisp part do? is it just a long thing that happens to be a nop?
20:45:32 <mroman> "begin lisp" doesn't do anything... it's syntax.
20:45:41 <mroman> it's not a command or anything.
20:45:47 <mroman> it's "grammar"/syntax
20:46:18 <mroman> the parser will parse stuff between begin lisp ... end lisp differently
20:47:04 <mroman> be could still be a command
20:48:10 <mroman> blsq ) %be=1 %gi=1 %n.={?+} begin.
20:48:10 <mroman> 2
20:49:08 <mroman> the thing is
20:49:17 <mroman> "begin " isn't valid
20:49:31 <mroman> because it would parse as "be gi" and then the 'n' is missing another character
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20:49:57 <mroman> so "begin " isn't valid in regular syntax 
20:51:11 <wob_jonas> blsq ) begin haskell [8..14] >>= \x -> if odd x then { take (repeat x) (x - 7) } else { [] } end haskell begin perl @p=(0,1); push@p,2*$p[-2]+$p[-1] for 2..11;\@p end perl ++
20:51:42 <wob_jonas> mroman: so what you're saying is that begin lisp is special syntax for something, but in some case the parser backtracks and falls back to trying to interpret it as not special syntax?
20:51:50 <mroman> exactly.
20:51:51 <wob_jonas> but... WHY? why would you do that to a language?
20:52:03 <wob_jonas> and what does begin lisp actually do when it parses correctly?
20:52:15 <mroman> oh wait. 
20:52:17 <mroman> "n " is valid
20:52:18 <mroman> wtf
20:52:46 <mroman> oh
20:52:46 <mroman> right
20:52:48 <mroman> :D
20:52:49 <wob_jonas> you mean you don't know all the builtins by heart?
20:52:58 <mroman> this is burlesque
20:53:05 <mroman> do you have any idea how much stuff there is in it?
20:53:17 <wob_jonas> yeah, I know
20:53:18 <mroman> well either way
20:53:20 <mroman> yes
20:53:25 <wob_jonas> it would be surprising if you remembered it all
20:53:30 <mroman> if it sees a "b" it will try to parse a lisp stuff
20:53:32 <mroman> and then backtrack
20:53:44 <mroman> or however parsec's "try" works
20:53:49 <mroman> maybe it looks forward more than one character
20:53:52 <wob_jonas> I forget what half of the functions I write do in smaller projects too
20:54:15 <wob_jonas> ok, but what is lisp stuff in this case?
20:54:23 <mroman> there are also more than two character commands now
20:54:49 <wob_jonas> what? were you in danger of running out of two character combos?
20:54:55 <mroman> blsq ) ``abcde
20:54:56 <mroman>  ERROR: Unknown command: (abcde)!
20:55:20 <mroman> no
20:55:30 <mroman> but it's some internal trickery to deal with user defined commands
20:55:35 <mroman> and user defined commands may be longer than that.
20:55:43 <mroman> also some trickery for the fancy mode
20:55:47 <mroman> there's fancy mode and lisp mode now
20:56:49 <mroman> blsq ) fancy def add: \?+ end add(1,2) end
20:56:49 <mroman> 3
20:57:16 <wob_jonas> um
20:57:29 <wob_jonas> well that sounds like a language that is more esoteric than needs to be for a golf language
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20:57:52 <mroman> burlesque isn't a golf language
20:58:46 <wob_jonas> what
20:58:53 <mroman> I didn't write it for that purpose at least.
20:58:59 <mroman> not initially
20:59:51 <mroman> it was more as a homework solving tool
21:00:01 <mroman> that's why it also can do poisson distributions and chi squared tests and shit
21:00:34 <wob_jonas> ok
21:01:25 <mroman> but it proved to be fun for golfing too
21:01:35 <mroman> so some stuff was added to make programs shorter
21:01:44 <mroman> like one character swap command
21:02:31 <mroman> but then I decided to just add as much stuff as possible
21:02:50 <mroman> because yes
21:02:59 <mroman> I didn't want it to become one of those just golfing languages
21:03:14 <wob_jonas> Is there a hello-world builtin?
21:03:24 <mroman> there was Golfscript, Flogscript, Burlesque and then a few years ago there are hundreds of golfing languages now
21:03:27 <mroman> no, there isn't.
21:03:50 <mroman> such a builtin wouldn't have any useful purpose
21:03:57 <wob_jonas> It would, for golf
21:04:03 <wob_jonas> that might show it's not a golf language
21:04:21 <mroman> well... even if you make golf language
21:04:28 <mroman> adding a hw builtin is just plain stupid
21:04:41 <mroman> you waste one character to solve ONE problem
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21:04:51 <mroman> you're better of making it something usefol that can solve MANY problems shorter
21:05:00 <mroman> *useful
21:05:27 <wob_jonas> I don't think it is. There are multiple golf exercises that involve some variation of hello world. Obviously you'd want a somewhat versatile command, not a one-character command that prints "hello world" and exits, but one that can return variations of that string, and it needn't be one character.
21:06:02 <mroman> meh. those would be boring challenges anyway
21:06:49 <mroman> still stupid imo :D
21:07:20 <mroman> the whole point of golfing isn't to have the shortest program in some language
21:07:25 <mroman> it's the competition.
21:07:49 <mroman> where's the satisfaction?
21:08:05 <mroman> there's a challenge to print "HELLO, WORLD!" and you have a hw builtin that takes an argument
21:08:18 <mroman> and 9hw prints "HELLO, WORLD!" 0hw print "Hello, world!" etc.
21:08:36 <mroman> that's just plain boring.
21:09:20 <mroman> the fun in golfing was to come up with crazy ideas like clock (he's a genius golfer) to solve a problem
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21:24:18 <wob_jonas> that's not the only way you can enjoy golf, but sure
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21:41:55 <zseri__> https://travis-ci.org/zserik
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23:05:59 <HackEgo> 1/2:sweden//Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. \ cooperate//"Cooperate" is a common misspelling of "cōöperāte". \ holy water//Holy water is water made by boiling the hell out of Spain. \ `help//`help [<command>] gives HackEgo's default help message, or help for a
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23:06:01 <HackEgo> 2/2:specific command. Or currently possibly some other wisdom. \ of//Of this incident we shall never speak again.
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23:21:32 <zzo38> I have worked more writing ZPXDB today. I intend to use it as the format for two of the four files for Free Hero Mesh (the level file and the solution file; the other two files are the class definition file (which is a text file), and the class binary file (which is a Hamster archive)). (Unlike Hero Mesh, my plan is Free Hero Mesh splits the puzzle set into these four files instead of just one.)
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