< 1515025146 941027 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515025232 419788 :MDude!~MDude@73.187.225.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515025242 790851 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515025244 686419 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515025372 99507 :MDead__!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515025559 362699 :MDead_!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1515025559 362729 :MDude!~MDude@73.187.225.46 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1515025559 362733 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1515025568 128078 :MDead__!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net NICK :MDude < 1515027156 148138 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1515027575 449760 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1515028456 991817 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1515028457 518556 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xqivotowuhcadrqq QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1515028458 244492 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1515028489 792152 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/session QUIT :Changing host < 1515028489 792186 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-guwfnqfavybuuvuc JOIN :#esoteric < 1515030408 93496 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD THIS EXPLOIT IS SO SIMPLE < 1515030503 742289 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"access a one of 256 memory pages based on a byte of kerbal memory. although the access will throw an exception, that page will be in cache and the others won't, which is detectable." < 1515030515 172481 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/kerbal/kernel/ < 1515030550 336371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1515030582 122364 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a basically all computers newer than an Amiga < 1515030747 496682 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their code is bascially < 1515030775 195426 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a[4096*256]; < 1515030805 719411 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *addr=KERNEL_ADDR; < 1515030837 563154 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x = a[*addr<<12] < 1515030851 611494 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1515030876 715042 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh they have a loop too < 1515030933 736727 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x=0;do x=a[*addr<<12];while(!x); < 1515031910 932908 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, this confirms previous speculation that they made https://cyber.wtf/2017/07/28/negative-result-reading-kernel-memory-from-user-mode/ work < 1515032168 733234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515032694 467733 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1515032774 804970 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that simple? < 1515032837 898426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1515032852 555476 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he\\オレン＼. could you enthicken the radical of 砲 please? < 1515032855 266296 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUINTHELLOPIA! < 1515032891 957437 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.236.157 QUIT :Quit: CALAMITY CHICKEN < 1515032986 54075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boilyif you had to choose between living somewhere the temp is always below freezing or always above 35C, which would you pick < 1515032986 141968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1515033026 836499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :35°C is too much < 1515033238 217605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely <0 for me, even 25°C is really painful to cope with and <0 is, if not normal here, frequent enough that I'm used to it < 1515033350 258000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure boilyif will have a good insight on this hth < 1515033988 947114 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: poor boilyif will be so confused < 1515034018 432647 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1515034073 998495 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1515034109 18215 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask boily if you had to choose between living somewhere the temp is always below freezing or always above 35C, which would you pick < 1515034109 18253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1515034176 89842 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :boilyif < 1515034178 278627 :boilyif!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1515034205 613692 :boilyif!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia NICK :quintopia < 1515034225 36078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :message removed < 1515034379 502658 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515034429 791129 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to make a esoteric language based on speculative execution. Only way to get work done is to make it speculatively execute up to 10 bytes of code < 1515034488 13612 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515034501 806022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515034518 890720 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1515034657 342429 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1515034746 56522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is we? are you royalty moony? < 1515034799 60758 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1515034804 357553 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/We/I/ < 1515035235 928989 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf NICK :Ajit-Pai < 1515036416 18148 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515036551 898083 :Phantom_of_the_o!18d7980a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.215.152.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515037085 440449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515037806 963846 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1515040134 387285 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1515041233 729039 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1515041390 429264 :Ajit-Pai!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1515042601 431645 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1515042619 175175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have anything to do with http://www.hthworldwide.net/ twh < 1515043350 238831 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1515043355 996967 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why you stalking me < 1515043367 167242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1515043372 299483 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1515043382 564905 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're in other channels I'm in :-) < 1515043402 651827 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reasonable explanation: you're stalking me < 1515043440 653976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was here first, and you already knew i was here < 1515043653 595591 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but, but, what about my persecution complex? < 1515043683 968256 :Guest6549!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-235-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1515043691 393910 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-235-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1515043715 396562 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-235-6.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :Guest58342 < 1515044369 902923 :Phantom_of_the_o!18d7980a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.215.152.10 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1515044479 922371 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1515044504 485763 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515045214 763716 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: *retch* < 1515045269 131453 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: rest assured that we only persecute people who deserve it, like the paranoid hth < 1515045953 593769 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1515046017 695582 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515046303 560524 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1515049144 65328 :pelegreno!~cinch@45.55.10.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515049216 457925 :pelegreno!~cinch@45.55.10.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515050849 954291 :pelegreno!~cinch@45.55.10.220 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1515051642 166550 :pelegreno!~cinch@45.55.10.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515054727 609393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: hifthrasiir < 1515054773 78449 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that my evil twin? :D < 1515054775 92656 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1515059276 216033 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1515060001 370728 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1515060782 91640 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Quit: *eh* < 1515062515 707050 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1515062745 851768 :augur_!~augur@c-73-125-99-173.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515062865 165662 :augur!~augur@c-73-125-99-173.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1515063179 989689 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.11.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1515063180 77964 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.11.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1515063180 78009 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1515063297 183399 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1515064276 219993 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.251.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515065741 624342 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515066150 990360 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1515066438 973407 :garit!~garit@94.197.121.48.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1515066438 973439 :garit!~garit@94.197.121.48.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1515066438 973442 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1515066774 793617 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? slot < 1515066776 330507 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boo < 1515066778 436742 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boot < 1515066789 132754 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1515066789 179351 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1515066789 247490 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1515067358 230060 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sloot < 1515067359 595417 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sloot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1515067364 575614 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1515067364 622143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 9h 14m 15s ago: if you had to choose between living somewhere the temp is always below freezing or always above 35C, which would you pick < 1515067409 215721 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: QUINTHELLOPIA! above. I won't be confortable, but it's more colourful. < 1515067425 422418 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror... 21 best temp! < 1515067548 477557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1515067548 661524 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 041150Z 27005KT 230V300 4000 RASN FEW002 SCT010 BKN017 00/00 Q1006 R08/29//95 TEMPO SNRA SCT010 BKN013 < 1515067567 136021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ugly) < 1515068221 692854 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1515068221 872052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 041200Z 02008KT 8SM -SN BKN045 OVC065 M12/M15 A2991 RMK SC7SC1 PRESFR SLP135 < 1515068291 848846 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MUMMY CHICKEN < 1515068346 420432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( IT'S A WRAP! ) < 1515068770 683742 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always above +35*C (even at night) is deadly for high humidity - body cant cool down. While below 0*C is easy - just some insulation/clothes will fix it < 1515069634 693146 :sdfgsdfg!~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg JOIN :#esoteric < 1515070529 421073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1515070977 370490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1515070977 458064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@c83-254-186-251.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Changing host < 1515070977 458098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1515071628 761282 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :always above +20 during the night already sucks. always above +25 during the day only could work in theory, but if you have always above +30 during the day, then in two or three weeks, the nights will be above +20 too, and even always above +25 during the day has some risk with that. < 1515071648 774811 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't sleep well when the nights are too hot for more than a few days. < 1515072128 907728 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20180103.html < 1515072129 477697 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bobadventureslist: not found < 1515073265 441706 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1515073475 858915 :mniip!mniip@unaffiliated/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1515074582 483532 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/oswg-member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1515077869 619545 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1515079524 378721 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.251.47 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515079816 225145 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.243.247 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515080212 805845 :variable!~variable@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1515080288 913587 :arcayn!522526f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.37.38.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515080594 941328 :arcayn!522526f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.37.38.245 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1515082068 846948 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1515082183 422924 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1515084217 217329 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1515084340 606582 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515084593 600608 :atslash!~atslash@broadband-46-188-0-82.2com.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1515087920 528838 :GeekDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeoDude < 1515088119 441331 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.122.threembb.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1515088119 530042 :garit2!~garit@94.197.121.122.threembb.co.uk QUIT :Changing host < 1515088119 530073 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit JOIN :#esoteric < 1515088160 906229 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1515089308 449462 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1515090804 263965 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1515091773 590576 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1515092118 404776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1515092721 850729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1515096028 456137 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515097347 719667 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1515098448 147728 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515098448 237978 :lleu!~gnomebad@cpc110797-lewi20-2-0-cust239.2-4.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1515098448 238007 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu JOIN :#esoteric < 1515098461 143388 :lleu!~gnomebad@unaffiliated/lleu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1515098611 523324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want something like +10 during nights, +20 during days. < 1515098825 254828 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: now you are surrounded by indians/africans who came there too because of the good climate. Whats your next step? < 1515098865 697825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :garit2: I don't understand the question. < 1515098901 89944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I carry on with my life.) < 1515098918 354660 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointer always has lowest 3 bits 0 < 1515098921 969700 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he figures, why not use those to store some metadata < 1515098930 820406 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus ruining everything forever < 1515098931 740345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how much did Bannon pay Trump for the advertisment? < 1515098932 518187 :garit2!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I want x temp' -> 'i would move to a place with x temp' -> 'i would have to deal with other people who live there' -> 'dealing with people who used to live in a good climate is hard(crime level is higher)' < 1515099132 487404 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like where this discussion is heading. But anyway, I strongly believe that this connection is overstated. < 1515099924 866176 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1515099959 478493 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1515101658 581864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a simple printing protocol I made up now: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/simple_print Please to review this and write whatever question/comment/complaint you have. < 1515101708 501807 :GeoDude!~G33kDude@unaffiliated/g33kdude NICK :GeekDude < 1515102369 406050 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@ip-2-203-99-4.web.vodafone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1515103539 802988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515104188 915064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said that if you go to the hotel and try to print a file from your computer, they only accept Microsoft Word files. But, you might not be using Microsoft Word. So, with support for this new protocol will be better (in addition, they should also have an internal fax line, as an alternative way to print). This does not mean they should remove what they already have. < 1515104360 596586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just use an .odt file? most word processors should be able to produce one of those, and Microsoft Word can read it < 1515104424 492943 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.243.247 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515104515 648129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose yes you could (you could even use .txt which Microsoft Word can also read I think), but still it might not be what you wanted; for example, you might be using TeX. This new protocol it doesn't care what program you are using < 1515104590 791490 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.250.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515104892 676942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The existence of the MFM record is not meant to imply that you are necessarily using METAFONT. < 1515104908 371664 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.250.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515104920 326581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read this document? < 1515105117 735802 :GautamS!~GautamS@59.182.250.169 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1515105489 785161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1515105502 379534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515105537 724872 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1515105738 686601 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.250.190 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515105849 413760 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.251.1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515105920 248266 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod QUIT :Quit: . < 1515106073 417433 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1515106073 557023 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1515106073 603515 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1515106137 777399 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.251.1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1515106240 462161 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.251.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515106421 76534 :GautamS_!~GautamS@59.182.251.25 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1515107437 338619 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1515107584 371645 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1515107644 446993 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you seen tom7's video that he claims tries to explain some proof to beginners, but actually it doesn't? if so, do you also think that involving that linear logic thing is a huge overkill? < 1515107653 365370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I haven't < 1515107670 992425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic is interesting, whether it's overkill or not depends on what the proof is about < 1515107681 946575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "full" linear logic is fairly ridiculous and I don't really enjoy it < 1515107686 91331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragments tend to work much better < 1515107714 233872 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, how come nobody (on this chan apparently) looks at his content? < 1515107727 723535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like tom7's things. < 1515107734 877844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't seen that particular video. < 1515107744 438198 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a fragment. but it's still an overkill for what he's doing there I think. < 1515107879 643413 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he's proving is that there's an algorithm (no runtime bounds claimed) for some problem. he's reducing it to a recent result that there's an algorithm solving satisfyability on some particular fragment of linear logic. but the problem is so simple he could just do a couple of multiplications to produce an upper bound, then a graph traversal to < 1515107879 734001 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if there's a path between two points. < 1515107937 364720 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: We all eat lies when our hearts are hungry < 1515107961 228340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"graph traversal to see if there's a path between two points" is actually the defining problem of a particular complexity class < 1515108001 155175 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is basically that the input gives natural number n, two vectors of natural numbers a and b of length n, and a set of vectors of integers S of length n; then < 1515108050 816599 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you consider the infinite symmetric graph whose nodes are the n-vectors of natural numbers (nonnegative is important), and there's an edge between two nodes if their difference is in S, then the problem asks if there's a path between a and b. < 1515108105 821102 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You solve this by multiplying everything to give a bound above which the nonnegativity condition is unimportant, and then searching a path on the finite subset of the graph cut there. < 1515108106 334458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's equivalent to asking "can you repeatedly add/subtract elements of S in order to convert a into b", isn't it? < 1515108127 135442 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but going through only all nonnegative states. < 1515108146 209922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and elements of S can be negative? < 1515108150 84216 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simple algorithm is like double-exponential or triple-exponential, but who cares. < 1515108161 646245 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, elements of S can have mixed signs < 1515108169 381894 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1515108177 314966 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I defined the problem slightly wrong < 1515108182 602777 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his problem is a bit more general < 1515108198 932724 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not too much I think, a simple algorithm still works < 1515108224 457369 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still just some traversal of some huge periodic symmetric graph < 1515108232 506114 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually periodic < 1515108250 714418 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not, like, turing-complete because of fractran, is it? < 1515108295 185525 :grumble!~grumble@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1515108300 958319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it becomes a problem of computing a basis of a vector space once you get rid of the problem with negatives < 1515108304 556142 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let me look that up < 1515108326 430547 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you can't ignore the negatives < 1515108395 74989 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... now I'm no longer sure. maybe the simple algorithm only works if n=1, and he definitely wants the n>1 case < 1515108412 598804 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopfunge makes me wonder < 1515108452 800368 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still think this graph is simple enough that you can compute an upper bound, even for n>1 < 1515108461 298554 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to try to make a definite proof and ask tom7 < 1515108468 966568 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just some stupid number theory < 1515108521 622418 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: let's see, I see two distinct cases here < 1515108545 468503 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a polynomial algorithm btw, but that wasn't the question < 1515108579 739073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) finitely many elements are reachable from a, b) infinitely many elements are reachable from a < 1515108606 569185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) implies you can reach some vector with every element ≥ the corresponding element of a < 1515108614 583383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a) can be determined by brute force < 1515108677 843864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only interesting case here from a computability point of view is the boundary case where you have b) but cannot have it with a strict equality (i.e. you can't reach a vector where every element is > the corresponding element of a) < 1515108694 450618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, it's probably possible to have a hybrid between the two cases somehow < 1515108711 615852 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did you say "computing a basis of a vector space"? that doesn't sound right < 1515108733 686479 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this needs lattice basises, not vector space basises < 1515108736 190930 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same thing < 1515108772 187367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: if you can reach a vector where every element is > the corresponding element of the original < 1515108788 126900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use a vector space basis as you can just do the same sequence over and over again to make the elements as high as you like, then reverse it later < 1515108796 231439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you need to be able to do this for both a and b < 1515108801 818012 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what vector space is there even here? < 1515108819 513136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector space of S < 1515108820 373808 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all integers in the vectors < 1515108848 706575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm, a basis with multiplying by integers may be distinct from one which allows rationals/reals < 1515108868 916774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to read up on integer programming < 1515108914 340570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at this a while back because I wanted to write a program that deduced the constants of an unknown LCRNG from its sequence < 1515108915 458357 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, I'll definitely need to think about this and write a full proof < 1515108920 981868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually really difficult, I think it might be NP-complete < 1515108949 130865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the existing algorithms for getting a good performance in the common case are really complex and I kind-of broke down halfway through trying to implement them < 1515108956 548991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not even sure if this case hits the common case < 1515108987 763076 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it's even in NP. But we don't want an efficient algorithm, just an algorithm. < 1515108999 193313 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want a single-exponential one. < 1515109021 586529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: the assumption I'm making is that the LCRNG is updated as x_(n+1) = (x_n * a + b) mod c, but we can only observe y_n = floor(x_n / d) mod e < 1515109047 324618 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know any of a/b/c/d/e, but the value of e is normally obvious anyway, just look at the range of values we see < 1515109061 75242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found a way to encode subset sum into this < 1515109068 364176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't remember the details now < 1515109345 880830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`morse-decode < 1515109376 562466 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1515109377 418856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it takes input on stdin < 1515109393 847931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` morse-decode <<<'...-- ....- -.-. ...--' < 1515109394 582055 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :34c3 < 1515109437 94933 :wob_jonas!b03f1812@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/morse-decode < 1515109447 464415 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4683:2014-07-03 ` gcc -x c -o bin/morse-decode - <<<\'c, v = 1; main() { while (c = getchar(), ~c) v = c < 33? putchar("& etianmsurwdkgohvf.l.pjbxcyzq..54.3.;!2).+...,16=/:..(.7.?_8.9o\\"...$...@...\'\\\'\'..-"[v < 64? (v != 40)*v : v % 51 + 33]), 1 : v * 2 + c % 2; }\' < 1515109721 603228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1515109722 324797 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1515109782 247219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv {bin,lib}/morse-decode; echo '#!/hackenv/bin/shebang_args_or_input /hackenv/lib/morse-decode' > bin/morse-decode; chmod +x bin/morse-decode < 1515109785 450798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1515109826 943123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`morse-decode ... --- ... < 1515109827 838269 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sos < 1515109835 616892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` morse-decode <<<'... --- ...' < 1515109836 554757 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sos < 1515110002 734521 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, 34c3 morse < 1515110024 707612 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I'm watching the infrastructure review. :P < 1515110038 665156 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, link? < 1515110062 26772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8911-34c3_infrastructure_review < 1515110102 854852 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only attended a few sessions, should watch the talks that seemed interesting now
< 1515110143 381244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hours and hours of fun and I wasn't even there. < 1515110183 625028 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a really nice environment < 1515110263 218839 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1515110283 821432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellorjan < 1515110317 505525 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello