< 1512691680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512692472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512694035 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512696920 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512696943 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512697247 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512697343 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512698807 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512700992 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1512704371 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1512704470 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98dd9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512705177 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512707196 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any kind of unusual rules you know of about point calculation of point-based role-playing systems, other than the rules used in GURPS and BESM 3? (My point calculator program supports both of these things, as well as some other custom rules.) < 1512708318 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512708411 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512708413 0 :MDead!?@? NICK :MDude < 1512710273 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CASTLE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53527&oldid=46390 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+56) 10Fix some typos < 1512710775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Aubergine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53528&oldid=53518 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-2) 10This is how the Brainfuck page does it < 1512711531 0 :Jojo_!~friendlyG@74-37-64-160.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512711743 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1512712263 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53529&oldid=53224 5* 03Quintopia 5* (+278) 10Add bauberqueue and purple quine, move the aubergine quine to the cheating section < 1512712426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53530&oldid=53529 5* 03Quintopia 5* (-33) 10Change aubergine quine to easy to understand golfed version < 1512712921 0 :Jojo_!~friendlyG@74-37-64-160.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net PART #esoteric : < 1512714417 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0 < 1512714435 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1512714625 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1512714644 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1512714687 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1512714708 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1512715811 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512715882 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512716127 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512716790 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-guxacmwltyczhqrf QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1512716837 0 :ATMunn_!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn JOIN :#esoteric < 1512716938 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1512717021 0 :ATMunn!ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1512717077 0 :__20h__!~some_one@r-36.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512717210 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512717292 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512717420 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dtvtdnsbwkdjcyms JOIN :#esoteric < 1512717477 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512717688 0 :puckipedia!~puck@irc.puckipedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1512717943 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wvfusxbyftaeigqf QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512718288 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1512721951 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512724371 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhjuarwfrdovvdyj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1512724733 0 :copumpkin!copumpkinm@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1512725293 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.0 < 1512725310 0 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1512725702 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512725781 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512726130 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512727875 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: by point calculatoin, do you mean calculation of XP you gain? or some other points? < 1512729394 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512730314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53531&oldid=53496 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+143) 10 < 1512730572 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53532&oldid=51903 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+198) 10/* z = x or y (boolean, logical) */ < 1512730620 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53533&oldid=53532 5* 03YuvalM 5* (-1) 10/* z = x or y (boolean, logical) */ < 1512731626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53534&oldid=53533 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+280) 10 < 1512731731 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53535&oldid=53534 5* 03YuvalM 5* (+14) 10 < 1512732942 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512733453 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512733539 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a chess variant (http://mroman.ch/b/chess.html). Now I guess I need to program an AI for it. < 1512733751 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are already 57101117117774389051392000000 possible placements in the placement phase. < 1512734013 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 5.139100540599694e28 < 1512734023 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7!*7!*(40!/26!) < 1512734094 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1512734543 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman! classic AI with tree pruning and heuristics and stuff? < 1512734640 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use alphazero hth < 1512734688 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. so apparently the northern third of Sweden is either not a completely empty wasteland with only elks and reindeers and reindeer hunters living there, or else some supervillain wants us to think that it isn't and get people to travel there so they can capture them < 1512734708 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, someone is organizing a conference there: http://knuth80.elfbrink.se/ < 1512734737 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, in actual northern Sweden, not just, like, the north part of the southern half of sweden < 1512734756 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't even roads or other infrastructure there, I think < 1512734762 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would people even go there? < 1512734973 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that's probably the best to start with, yes. < 1512735001 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the easiest thing to start off would be something that makes random moves but always kills if it can. < 1512735012 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a completely random placement :D) < 1512735066 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you gotta be careful with that because you can actually loose the game during the placement phase already if your king is in a bad spot after the placement < 1512735073 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you migth not be able to make a first move < 1512735166 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm training an ANN right now to recognize faces in pictures resampled to 12x12 < 1512735278 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/12x12.png <- like such < 1512735331 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works surprisingly well. < 1512735336 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: can it recognize Kappa? < 1512735343 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1512735383 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it has a (sensitivity, specificity) of (~0.8, ~0.8) < 1512735488 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jellonas. cucumber kappa? < 1512735632 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: HANDBAG CHICKEN < 1512735841 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Kappa is one of the more used special emoticon memes on twitch.tv , the video game streaming website < 1512735905 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've driven through (and I think stayed overnight in?) Kiruna, which is significantly more northern Sweden, and can confirm there were roads. < 1512735926 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see < 1512736024 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you're driving from Finland to Norway and don't take the ferry, the natural route is Kemi-Kiruna-Narvik, mostly on the E10.) < 1512736024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely more to the north than I've been to < 1512736089 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my coworkers just came back from Tromsø, which is probably more northern than I've ever been. < 1512736138 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512736147 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1512736375 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny, if you zoom in to the Norway/Sweden border, the Google Maps seems to get significantly more high-res on the Norway side: https://goo.gl/maps/z9ufZEtArXD2 < 1512736399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least at that particular spot.) < 1512736492 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I see. < 1512736515 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when people do classification stuff and report accuracy. < 1512736522 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that usually happens when they have photos made from airplane on one side, but only satellite photos on the other side < 1512736523 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accuracy is shit. < 1512736632 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days they also have crazy 3D reconstructed images of some parts. < 1512736669 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 3d images of individual trees. < 1512736693 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite crazy really. < 1512736724 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :train corporations use scanning of trees and shit to determine which trees are in danger of falling on the rails < 1512736727 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cut them down. < 1512736736 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also quite crazy. < 1512736839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for trains, what's quite crazy to me is the metro tunnels in Stockholm. have you seen them? they are just dug out with explosives and left like that, with no concrete rings supporting the walls anywhere < 1512736871 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite an amazing contrast to the tunnels here, which have concrete walls everywhere, to isolate the tunnel from the ground around and keep the water and ground out < 1512736910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, Sweden pays for this with the downside that they don't have soil for agriculture, which is quite a high price to pay for those few railway tunnels < 1512737024 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, bridges. they have a ton of water channels with medium length bridges over it. and sometimes there's two parallel bridges over water, one above the other, the railway on the bottom bridge and road on the top bridge. < 1512737032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impossible here, because the terrain is just too flat < 1512737047 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there, they have steep shores within the city and small canals < 1512737058 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:49d:aa55:494:d07b JOIN :#esoteric < 1512737556 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People should use sensitivity, specificity and confidence to rate their classification performance even if you have more than two classes. < 1512739710 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ave 5* 10New user account < 1512739795 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: One of my coworkers moved to the US to start a startup on aerial/satellite photo analysis, https://tensorflight.io/ < 1512739914 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53536&oldid=53531 5* 03Ave 5* (+241) 10 < 1512739915 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they've since pivoted to be about property inspections for insurance-related matters. It was something more generic last I looked. < 1512742480 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at least it has a useless animation that lags browsers and wastes energy on their website :D < 1512743367 0 :ATMunn_!?@? NICK :ATMunn < 1512743586 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:49d:aa55:494:d07b QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1512743877 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dtvtdnsbwkdjcyms QUIT :Changing host < 1512743877 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512743877 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Changing host < 1512743877 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-dtvtdnsbwkdjcyms JOIN :#esoteric < 1512744087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: Yeah, that's new too. :) < 1512744662 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/mandel.html < 1512744667 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u like laggy webpages < 1512744668 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is it < 1512744747 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newest firefox really sucks at rendering it. < 1512744751 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the older versions were much faster < 1512744836 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that browser designers weren't optimizing to that particular use case < 1512745415 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeh < 1512745447 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I get complaint from customers being unable to use my main business e-commerce e-shop e-website due to the new firefox. < 1512745505 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512745541 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds e-awful < 1512745546 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so e-sorry for you < 1512745569 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I gotta math-jaxify my pseudo-paper now. < 1512745861 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can pandoc convert to mathjax? < 1512745904 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? Not sure though < 1512745964 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1512745967 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks crappy < 1512745971 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tables at least. < 1512746005 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully fixable with some CSS. < 1512746181 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mroman.ch/guides/sensspec.html < 1512746182 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww. < 1512746374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53537 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+712) 10Create page... one day I might convert the language spec from Markdown to MediaWiki if I can be bothered... < 1512746487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Martin Ender14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53538&oldid=47181 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+158) 10 < 1512746632 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. lil borders around the tables and it looks much better. < 1512746714 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and text-transform. < 1512746720 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandoc is great. < 1512746722 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thumbs up* < 1512746746 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53539&oldid=53537 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-78) 10whoops < 1512746778 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1512746828 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like sums, this is for you :D < 1512746853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53540&oldid=46718 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+102) 10catching up with my name change < 1512746881 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcotmwoffiyz31.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1512746889 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that as a stackoverflow answer. < 1512746920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53541&oldid=53540 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-1) 10/* External resources */ < 1512746930 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53542&oldid=53539 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (-1) 10/* External Resources */ < 1512746952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53543&oldid=44839 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+63) 10catching up with my name change < 1512746971 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot of spelling errors in there still < 1512747125 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this aren't all true negatives" I think should be "these aren't all the true negatives" < 1512747159 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which section is that? < 1512747176 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :N-Ary Classification? < 1512747189 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sensitivity and Specifiticity < 1512747194 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Specificity < 1512747210 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53544&oldid=47245 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+66) 10catching up with my name change < 1512747211 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1512747218 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all the true negatives" < 1512747256 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :And s/this/these/ < 1512747259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brian & Chuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53545&oldid=46558 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+69) 10catching up with my name change < 1512747298 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your first language, ooi? < 1512747309 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Stack Cats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53546&oldid=47183 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+70) 10catching up with my name change < 1512747324 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :German. < 1512747333 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1512747334 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Retina14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53547&oldid=53541 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ < 1512747334 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of the norths. < 1512747338 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's south from you probably < 1512747339 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1512747346 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53548&oldid=53543 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External resources */ < 1512747373 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53549&oldid=53542 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+0) 10/* External Resources */ < 1512747381 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently living in what I think is "south" and it's still further north than most of Germany < 1512747392 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not as much Germany as I thought < 1512747429 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly the same latitude as Brunswick? < 1512747436 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53550&oldid=53504 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+12) 10/* A */ add Alice < 1512747508 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :british? < 1512747510 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finn? < 1512747527 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :British, I'm from the old esoteric homeland of Hexham and currently in Cambridge < 1512747636 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53551&oldid=53530 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+314) 10/* Real Quines */ add Alice < 1512748155 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reinterpret_cast(reinterpret_cast(&my_c.public_mem‌​ber) + sizeof(my_c.public_member)) = 0xDEFACED < 1512748159 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is just so shitty < 1512748234 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1512748242 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but delphi is worse < 1512749279 0 :mroman!a055e8dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.160.85.232.221 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512750900 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1512752190 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:8f4:d60:9e1a:d9e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512752195 0 :hkgit03!~hkgit03@ip4d16fea7.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512753069 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1512753754 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean calculations of point totals of all of the traits based on any modifiers and so on you add on to them, how to calculate them based on that < 1512756851 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512757293 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1512757294 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 081750Z 27004KT 8000 -RASN SCT007 SCT020 BKN060 01/00 Q1011 R08/29//95 NOSIG < 1512758167 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4656:f950:194c:7b9a:d2c:e8fd JOIN :#esoteric < 1512758481 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512759221 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zyggkccsvflwnhbz JOIN :#esoteric < 1512759721 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zyggkccsvflwnhbz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512760092 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwwmlioqngdkywim JOIN :#esoteric < 1512760151 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-13-153.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512761064 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1512761156 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1512762310 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1512762334 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86D470.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1512762363 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bit silly, but suggested in a global notice) < 1512762922 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdanbbejudcjhiao JOIN :#esoteric < 1512763284 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: [wiki] 14[[07Alice14]]4 N10 < 1512763817 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512763936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: [wiki] 14[[07Labyrinth14]]4  < 1512763971 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: [wiki] 14[[07Hexagony14]]4 < 1512764025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason those show up different in the logs... < 1512764962 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr, is there a replacement for "Open in Browser" that works with FF 57 < 1512764999 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh stupid question < 1512765065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an IE problem caused by some strange characters mroman used in a particular line < 1512765105 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right question is, why does the plugin currently not work for the #esoteric logs < 1512765115 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/plugin/addon/ < 1512765144 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i edit that away, the file shows fine. but with it, the _previous_ N-something lines get HackEgo's wiki announcements to show weirdly (but before that again they're as they use to.) < 1512765196 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the weird thing is that IE _shows_ ^C's as boxes instead of leaving them out entirely, and also has problems selecting the line. < 1512765229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1512765548 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, links shows dots < 1512765600 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, really unhappy with how many things Firefox 57 broke. < 1512766124 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( has anyone forked 56 yet ) < 1512766152 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 56 < 1512766160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :56: 2 2 2 7 < 1512766196 0 :augur!~augur@2600:380:4656:f950:194c:7b9a:d2c:e8fd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1512766243 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned about an interesting conjecture yesterday. < 1512766321 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was it? < 1512766323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you write a greedy algorithm for the "infinite queens" problem, i.e. you start in the corner of an infinite chessboard, and for each subsequent row you put a queen in the leftmost row where it doesn't threaten any other queen, the queens form approximately two lines from the corner. < 1512766337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The slopes of those lines seem to be approximately phi and 1/phi < 1512766362 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, interesting! < 1512766396 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is exact solution with the same pattern without phi being involved < 1512766436 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1512766444 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using horse steps of a previous queen < 1512766478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm specifically describing the greedy algorithm. < 1512766485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what do you mean by horse steps? < 1512766566 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-down-down-down from a previous queen, this cell is always free (assuming no prepositioned queens), and when we reach the bottom we repeat the same process on a second half of a board < 1512766643 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern is slightly different for even and odd boards. And infinity isn't even or odd < 1512766672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottom? < 1512766678 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about an infinite board. < 1512766713 0 :garit!~garit@unaffiliated/garit PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just start to build second line one infinity to the right :P < 1512766741 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512766752 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern for the greedy algorithm goes 1,3,5,2,4,6,8,10,7, right? < 1512766812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your 6 threatens your 1 < 1512766834 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes http://oeis.org/A065188 < 1512766900 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh darn, it does < 1512766909 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about diagonals < 1512768541 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1512769120 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512769377 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1512769523 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1512769601 0 :augur!~augur@192.195.83.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512769770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you said rows, that link says antidiagonals < 1512770117 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1512770134 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it does. < 1512770164 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think you end up with the same pattern maybe? < 1512770216 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe not. Or maybe it's not known, because when I heard this problem it wasn't even proven whether it was a permutation. < 1512770760 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the grid shown under "example" _does_ look consistent with doing it column by column < 1512771085 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinion poll: should I, or should I not, copy the https://esolangs.org/forum/ archive over to the new place? < 1512771096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly DVD sales spam, but there's a few actual conversations. < 1512771104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good DVDs? < 1512771151 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's the LOWEST PRICE. < 1512771195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPY ALL THE THINGS < 1512771198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download on DVD? < 1512771305 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1512771311 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says download right in the name. < 1512771314 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dvds allowed < 1512771320 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the name. < 1512771327 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you don't download DVDs? < 1512771340 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the last d stand for int-e? < 1512771349 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information technology is so limited. < 1512771366 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now < 1512771373 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're still waiting on diamond age < 1512771384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: digital versatile downloadable? < 1512771418 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! nothing about downloading anywhere! < 1512771424 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVD *is* one of the funnier acronyms... based on the "V") < 1512771442 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as funnny as PCMCIA. < 1512771480 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, i convinced myself it's equivalent whether you do it by antidiagonals or by columns < 1512771495 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i vote for copying over the forum in read-only format. and if it's possible to remove the spam, that too < 1512771509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular there is one in each column < 1512771519 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course it's hard to beat intel's IE ("innovation engine") (because why stop at *one* super privileged hardly accessible processor in the processor (the ME), when you can have two?)) < 1512771575 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out what the other discussion is about... < 1512771592 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( PCMCIA, it's fun to be ... ) < 1512771802 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving that there's one in each row seems a bit trickier < 1512771937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it might not be a permutation, if it's not bijective. < 1512771950 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surjective) < 1512772014 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let go y l d r = let x = head [x | x <- [1..], not ((x+y) `S.member` l), not (x `S.member` d), not ((x-y) `S.member` r)] in x : go (y+1) (S.insert (x+y) l) (S.insert x d) (S.insert (x-y) r) in go 1 S.empty S.empty S.empty < 1512772016 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,2,4,9,11,13,15,6,8,19,7,22,10,25,27,29,31,12,14,35,37,39,41,16,18,45,... < 1512772246 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, funny. I use infix for S.member, but not S.insert... < 1512772595 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcotmwoffiyz31.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1512772766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1512773131 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-mwwmlioqngdkywim QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1512773199 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-toztvtgtbmexkekq JOIN :#esoteric < 1512773397 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-50-137.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1512773975 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1512774121 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1512775788 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: at least this lends itself to drawing pictures like this: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/queens.png < 1512775834 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is the greedy algorithm in question? < 1512775859 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "for each row from the bottom place a queen in the leftmost unattacked position"? < 1512775891 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did it from the top, but yes. < 1512775924 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you got approximate lines of slope phi? < 1512775949 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I do not understand why. < 1512776011 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, if someone were to say to me "hey can you believe the queens were close to a line? what do you think the slope of that line was?" my guess would be phi. It's the obvious choice for such a problem. < 1512776449 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It becomes more convincing when the 10001st queen is at slope 0.6181381861813818 and the 10002nd at slope 1.6179764047190561. < 1512776981 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more convincing that it is intuitively true to me, but i am having a hard time formalizing my intuition. It has to do with the fact that a queen placed at (x,y) attacks all squares whose coordinates sum to x+y. And so, to go back to the left, you have to find an unused sum. What is the sequence of sums? 0,3,6,4,7,13,19,... < 1512777024 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it also has to do with the fact that phi and 1/phi are the most irrational positive numbers < 1512777073 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a question like this, I think you'd need more evidence for it to /not/ be phi than for it to be phi :-P < 1512777108 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the trouble with that line of reasoning is that many sums are unused. < 1512777589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of the queens are placed to the right of all previous queens? < 1512777595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's likely to be a relevant part in the proof