00:41:52 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:45:52 -!- imode has joined. 00:57:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:58:05 grmbl windows appears to have managed to reboot without my permission. 00:58:22 it does that due to mandated updates 00:58:39 i had applied a hack that was supposed to prevent it. 01:01:19 hack harder 01:05:45 the most annoying thing is that although it tried to restart the browser, it came up with a halfway wrong set of tabs. 01:09:15 -!- boily has joined. 01:09:17 QUINTHELLOPIAAAAAAAAAAAA! 01:09:41 fungot: NOSTRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL! 01:09:41 boily: they say that an opulent throne room is rarely a place to go to my lair to die. ( wump ( 6) " fillet of a sort, yet there was no sword in its eyes. 01:09:57 HELLØØØØØØØØØØØØØØØRJAN! 01:10:45 is fungot playing NetHack again? 01:10:45 ais523: polymorph into an unknown being. a towel, it is even more muddled and confused. ( fog, by patrick mcgoohan) 01:11:07 helloily! 01:11:33 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:21:49 fungot: you're already an unknown being. stop polymorphing. 01:21:49 boily: rogue, and hung upon the stays to dry. our stout boots, leathern breeks and deerskin shirts, with a +5 shovel. able to shapeshift, his unpopularity may have been introduced by the all-restrainer hupnos. his nature by which he holds, consisting of a sort of a pearly whiteness; but these luxuriances only formed a more horrid contrast with his claws and poison their unwary victims as well as grabbing and crushing the life o 01:21:49 his523! 01:21:49 hmph the SO thread i found it now has a comment that the hack no longer works. and hasn't for about a year :P 01:21:49 i guess i've just been diligent with rebooting by hand in time. 01:21:49 except now. i don't remember getting a message that it was _about_ to reboot. 01:21:54 of course i cannot find a new, up to date answer. 01:22:16 ais523: Yes, 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I was wondering if anyone here has any ideas on who should be allowed to edit posts 02:00:46 Stack Exchange allows pretty much everyone 02:01:04 Downgoat: one big idea I had/rediscovered since our last conversation 02:01:21 is to have, instead of two layers (challenge/answer), three layers (challenge/answer/note) 02:01:29 anyone can submit a note on anyone else's answer (or their own) 02:01:39 containing explanations, questions, further commentary, etc. 02:01:53 I'm thinking that an answer would just be the code of an answer, and the explanation would be a note 02:02:00 that way you can have competing explanations for the same answer 02:02:26 if you do that there wouldn't be much need to be able to edit other peoples' posts; on PPCG editing someone else's post to golf it is discouraged, and editing in an explanation wouldn't be needed as you could just add your own 02:02:31 So kinda like reddit where you can respond to a post's 'answer' with another 'post' 02:03:02 yep 02:06:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:07:24 I think it's beneficial for anyone to be able to edit challenges, at least before they go live 02:07:43 (I'm thinking we sandbox challenges "in-place" but without the ability to answer, then vote them open when we think they're ready) 02:10:10 [wiki] [[Resplicate]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53366 * Ais523 * (+24) an all-lowercase redirect will allow any capitalisation of the word to be found in search, and this is a hard word to capitalise correctly 02:18:44 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:33:09 -!- iconmaster has joined. 02:38:43 -!- watered has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:40:10 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MISCELLANEOUS CHICKEN). 02:46:49 [wiki] [[Bitwise Cyclic Tag]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53367&oldid=53264 * Ais523 * (+25) +[[Category:Queue-based]] 02:50:19 -!- augur has joined. 02:58:41 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 03:37:49 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Avuxo * New user account 03:39:13 ais523: yeah, there is a special button to submit to a 'review' mode rather than a publish so you can get feedback 03:40:06 perhaps that could be automatic for all problems? I proposed that on PPCG and it was rejected because of the way that the new questions list sorted, but that wouldn't be a problem if we could define our own sort orders 03:41:38 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53368&oldid=53360 * Avuxo * (+285) /* Introductions */ 03:41:40 oh, this reminds me: another useful feature would be a) hiding answers to a question by default (with an option to permanently unhide them) so that people can work on a problem unspoilt, b) allowing identical or similar answers by different people but merging identical anwers and hiding worse answers by default unless they were voted signfiicantly different 03:41:56 this would give us most of the advantages of anagolf in addition to most of the advantages of PPCG 03:42:18 the FGITW problem on PPCG is nasty, having it so that if ten people independently come up with the same answer they all get credit seems better 03:42:46 (this might lead to people cheating using a second account / logging out / whatever, but as long as there's no real reward the incentive for cheating should be low and it should also be fairly easy to detect) 03:56:16 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:11:17 -!- imode has joined. 04:18:39 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 04:24:49 -!- watered has joined. 04:26:32 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 04:27:39 -!- atslash has joined. 04:37:06 -!- tromp has joined. 04:41:48 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 04:42:05 -!- imode has joined. 04:50:23 [wiki] [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53369&oldid=53235 * Ais523 * (+17) I forgot to add A Pear Tree 04:55:27 -!- garit2 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:18:58 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: sorry for my connection). 05:22:20 -!- iconmaster has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 05:35:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:38:56 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tfbninja * New user account 05:49:54 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53370&oldid=53368 * Tfbninja * (+306) /* Introductions */ 05:52:27 -!- variable has joined. 05:56:01 [wiki] [[Aceto]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53371&oldid=52015 * Tfbninja * (-2) /* Grammar */ 05:56:39 [wiki] [[Aceto]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53372&oldid=53371 * Tfbninja * (+19) /* Examples */ 05:58:40 [wiki] [[Aceto]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53373&oldid=53372 * Tfbninja * (+11) /* Examples */ 06:02:00 -!- variable has changed nick to constant. 06:19:12 -!- constant has quit (Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero). 06:25:09 -!- tromp has joined. 06:29:53 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 06:41:14 -!- augur has joined. 06:41:50 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:42:18 -!- augur has joined. 06:59:10 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 07:36:51 -!- sleffy has joined. 07:37:15 shachaf, I got Philip Wadler to sign my laptop 07:38:00 -!- LKoen has joined. 07:38:13 `hi sleffy 07:38:13 Hi sleffy. Heffy. 07:38:32 ah, I seem to have skipped the pleasantries. My apologies. 07:38:35 `hi shachaf 07:38:36 Hi shachaf. Hachaf. 07:47:01 `thanks sleffy 07:47:02 Thanks, sleffy. Theffy. 08:09:49 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 08:22:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:50:41 `ysaclist 68 08:50:43 ysaclist 68: boily shachaf 08:50:48 @tell boily ysaclist 68 08:50:48 Consider it noted. 08:57:37 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:03:10 -!- tromp has joined. 09:12:58 -!- augur has joined. 09:24:47 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:33:00 <\oren\> hmm. I can infer it. 25 people have highscores >1000. global achievment stats say that's 4.7% of players 09:33:32 <\oren\> 25 / 4.7 * 100 = 532 people own this game, and I'mranked number 111 09:34:43 -!- atslash has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:35:47 -!- atslash has joined. 09:37:12 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:37:35 what game 09:38:21 <\oren\> switch 'n' shoot 09:38:58 <\oren\> http://steamcommunity.com/stats/498470/leaderboards/1394823/?sr=106 09:40:11 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:27:53 -!- watered has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 11:24:56 -!- MDude has joined. 11:32:44 -!- boily has joined. 11:47:19 -!- jaboja has joined. 11:56:02 -!- watered has joined. 12:08:47 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:14:32 -!- boily has quit (Quit: OCCIPITAL CHICKEN). 12:21:50 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 12:36:39 -!- garit has joined. 12:36:58 -!- watered has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:39:06 -!- watered has joined. 12:39:09 -!- watered has quit (Client Quit). 12:52:17 Oh. Apparently http://www.bardsworth.com/ has announced a few months ago that the comic is abandonned. Pity. 12:54:14 I think this is the first time I've seen a webcomic where the author honestly announced that he's abandonning the comic forever. "We the robots" just said it's on an indefinite hiatus. 12:54:56 Most of the comics that are stuck in an incomplete state don't have any kind of announcement, they just de facto don't update. 12:57:00 -!- int-e has left ("PURPOSEFUL CHICKEN"). 12:57:00 -!- int-e has joined. 13:14:09 -!- erkin has joined. 13:39:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:13:44 -!- iconmaster has joined. 14:49:58 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:27:36 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 15:34:42 -!- iconmaster has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:36:21 -!- mtve has quit (Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0). 16:09:34 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:11:44 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...). 16:12:54 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:13:45 -!- erkin has joined. 16:13:57 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:18:04 hmm, the recent Firefox upgrade is a really big one; they should have bumped the major version number for it but they ended up devaluing their version number ages ago 16:18:04 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: sorry for my connection). 16:18:17 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:18:46 that said, it's broken a lot of extensions; NoScript say that they haven't quite got ready in time for the release and are hoping to have a working extension soon 16:18:52 so atm I'm browsing with JavaScript turned off entirely 16:19:21 most things still work, the things that don't are mostly sending content to websites (as opposed to reading them) 16:20:42 [wiki] [[Aceto]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53374&oldid=53373 * Tfbninja * (+42) /* Examples */ 16:20:44 I'm somewhat more lenient on scripts running, but I do have an addon that detects and disables trackers. 16:28:59 most scripts actively make the sites they're on worse 16:29:25 normally I whitelist exceptions, but there aren't any fine-grained extensions that work yet so I had to go for the simple, overparanoid option 16:29:28 it's an interesting experience 16:34:42 -!- augur has joined. 16:36:47 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 16:37:44 ais523: Do you know about Wang tilings? I wonder how big the smallest set is for which tilability of the plane is unknown. 16:40:39 int-e: vaguely, I can't remember the details 16:40:52 are those just a mathematical formalization of jigsaw puzzles? 16:41:44 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:43:05 ais523: With fixed orientation of pieces, yes. 16:44:27 But I'll take it as a no. (basically, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_tile isn't as informative as I'd like, though perhaps I could find the answer by following some of the references.) 16:45:25 so Wang tilings are obviously TC as you can implement But Is It Art? with them 16:45:42 (that's a weird language to go via for TCness proofs…) 16:46:34 ais523: which recent firefox update? ah yes, the one that broke all extensions. 16:47:17 is that even recent? I think it's been out months ago. 16:47:45 it got pushed to Ubuntu yesterday 16:48:11 ais523: what? isn't that backwards? I thought you can implement wang tiles using But Is It Art, because wang tiles are on a square grid, one tile for each square, with just the borders different, 16:48:26 whereas But Is It Art tiles can be of any contiguous shape 16:48:30 b_jonas: you can do it either way 16:48:49 to compile BIIA? into Wang Tiles, you create a unique border code for each internal square connection in the BIIA? program 16:48:51 oh, you use multiple wang tiles to emulate a ButArt tiles? 16:48:54 right 16:48:59 while using a single continuous border code for the outside of the BIIA? tiles 16:49:30 anyway, this comes down to "what's the shortest program for which we're not sure whether or not it halts?" 16:49:38 if PPCG doesn't have a question for that already, it ought to 16:49:39 but I suspect it does 16:50:00 Ok, but this is still a bit backwards, because I thought we knew that wang tiles are TC because the TAOCP claims that or something very close, and we prove that But Art is turing complete using that. 16:50:58 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:51:16 I can't find it but it's a hard thing to search for 16:51:33 b_jonas: infinite BIIA (and infinite Wang tiles, for that matter) can simulate arbitrary cellular automato 16:51:34 hmm... let me look it up. I think it might not have been called Wang tiles 16:51:36 *automata 16:52:48 ais523: yes, infinite 1d CA or something like that would be the reasonable proof, but I've read TAOCP first three volumes Hungarian translation (based on old editions) early when I was young so it sort of skewed my knowledge, many things it stated I still consider more basic than really more basic things 16:53:32 ais523: oh come on, it *is* called Wang. just look up Wang in the index of TAOCP vol 1. 16:53:47 let me see what exactly it claims about it 16:56:09 although it is in a starred section 16:56:13 -!- aloril has joined. 16:56:15 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 16:56:31 -!- atslash has joined. 16:57:00 -!- atslash has quit (Client Quit). 16:58:45 hmm, I think you might be right, this doesn't claim anywhere that this is turing-complete 16:58:48 damn 16:58:51 sorry 16:58:55 ais523: ^ 17:14:51 ais523: well, it's easy to find the answer for Turing Machines because of the busy beaver function. 17:15:47 cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver#Exact_values_and_lower_bounds 17:17:56 .oO(I think ais knows that) 17:18:20 int-e: it's not necessarily *easier* to find the answer, it's just more researched already 17:18:49 b_jonas: the answer *was* about the state of the art 17:19:22 b_jonas: I was using "finding" in the sense of locating the information. 17:19:37 ok 17:22:10 int-e: I assume that if the value of the busy beaver function is not listed as an exact number, it means that there's at least one program of that size for which we don't know whether it halts? 17:22:25 (I can conceiveably imagine that there's a program for which we do know that it halts, but don't know how long it takes) 17:23:29 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:25:37 https://www.f6s.com/sergiodemianlerner <-- meh, an unpublished proof?! 17:26:25 -!- erkin has joined. 17:29:38 -!- erkin has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:31:31 -!- erkin has joined. 17:31:42 -!- erkin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:32:37 ais523: http://www.logique.jussieu.fr/~michel/ha.html says that "The study of Turing machines with 5 states and 2 symbols is still going on." and I have no reason to believe that it was resolved in the meantime. 17:41:05 what's lambdabot's callsign again? 17:41:10 >? 17:41:14 ? 17:41:39 ^prefixes 17:41:47 hmm, fungot isn't here 17:41:54 it's @ anyway, I think 17:41:58 although it responds to ? sometimes too 17:41:58 indeed 17:42:01 and has a special case for > 17:42:04 > 2 + 2 17:42:06 4 17:42:17 @tell boily I probably can't 22, but I may be able to 26 17:42:17 Consider it noted. 17:43:03 :t 3 17:43:04 Num p => p 17:43:05 > 2 17:43:07 2 17:43:14 @run 4*4 17:43:16 16 17:43:19 ^ each of those 17:43:23 -!- erkin has joined. 17:43:24 whta's the question mark thing? 17:43:41 ?help 17:43:41 help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands 17:43:43 whoa 17:43:47 ?run 4*5 17:43:49 20 17:43:51 wow 17:45:12 -!- iconmaster has joined. 17:47:35 -!- sleffy has joined. 17:47:59 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 17:49:28 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 17:53:49 -!- fungot has joined. 18:04:48 so apparently M:tG Unstable is going to have some sort of combo creatures made from two cards, with some cards dedicated as front halves and some dedicated as back halves. 18:05:01 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 18:05:49 or maybe not. I dunno. 18:05:59 maybe it just has place splicing of two arbitrary creatures. 18:07:52 hmm, and I think the back halves will work as standalone creatures too. 18:09:21 I wonder how this will work 18:10:12 wait, the back halves have supertype Host? 18:10:37 is that what MaRo meant by a mythic vanilla creature, because the supertype doesn't count? 18:13:57 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 18:18:35 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:21:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:21:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Changing host). 18:21:52 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:25:16 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 18:25:24 -!- atslash has joined. 18:29:59 And apparently the front half has a trigger condition and the back half an action, and together they form a triggered ability. 18:30:02 Or something. 18:41:23 -!- sftp has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 18:41:53 -!- sftp has joined. 18:59:39 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:00:33 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:07:55 -!- atslash has joined. 19:10:42 -!- imode has joined. 19:38:45 . o O ( "pure speculation" would be a fine name for a Haskell fintech company :P ) 19:39:55 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:45:01 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:47:14 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:49:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:50:48 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:53:26 Haha 20:05:19 -!- iconmaster has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:07:06 -!- sleffy has joined. 20:11:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:15:11 -!- xkapastel has joined. 20:20:27 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:38:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:39:21 -!- jaboja has joined. 22:55:15 -!- augur has joined. 23:05:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:16:29 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:21:49 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 23:23:40 zzo38: you'll have to update your M:tG variant rules about card names for the Unstable augment mechanic. 23:23:41 -!- iconmaster has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:23:44 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Client Quit). 23:24:48 has anyone ever written a boolfuck program that computes the factorial of arbitrarily large numbers ? 23:27:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:57:21 -!- garit has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds).