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He twice punned without noticing it. 05:02:54 `swrjan s/flame/knite/ 05:02:57 oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. 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First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 12:12:58 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:24:11 -!- boily has quit (Quit: ICE CHICKEN). 12:30:43 -!- fungot has joined. 12:31:54 -!- jaboja has joined. 12:34:55 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:42:37 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:55:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:57:21 -!- potato44 has joined. 13:06:19 -!- jaboja has joined. 13:17:59 -!- potato44 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:24:29 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:32:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 13:34:52 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:49:14 -!- potato44 has joined. 13:50:38 does anyone know of any esolangs that use ascii control charactersas its commands? 13:51:32 potato44: exclusively? or among other commands? 13:51:52 gs2 tends to use a lot of characters in the 0-31 range, some of its most basic commands are there, but it has others out of the range 13:51:57 ideally exclusively, but it depends on what other characters 13:53:09 Whitespace sort of almost counts 13:53:31 Taneb: newline and tab are control characters, but space isn't 13:53:37 I know of BENUL, but NUL is also a problomatic character 13:53:50 Hence "sort of almost" 13:54:02 I can't think of a language that was specifically designed to use the control character range (there might be one that I don't know about), especially if you want the control characters to match the language semantics in some way 13:54:34 there's a version of BF that uses character codes 1-8 as the commands, and is typically used internally in optimizing interpreters, but I don't really think that counts (especially as the number assignment is arbitrary) 13:55:24 If there is an actual interpreter for that dialect of BF, that would be exactly what I want 13:55:48 it's easy enough to write one 13:55:55 as long as it also ignores the rest of ascii 13:56:02 do you expect us to have interpreters for all trivial brainfuck substitutions? just take some reasonable brainfuck implementation and modify it. 13:56:33 we have Brainfuck and Ook! interpreters, because Ook! is historically important, but the rest aren't important 13:56:41 easy enough to write, but I'm not sure where the rules of PPCG fall on the allowability of it. 13:57:36 potato44: I was suspecting this was related to the polyglot :-D 13:57:52 ais523: it is 13:58:47 that thing has somehow turned conventional #esoteric wisdom on its head by actually creating a market for a large quantity of trivial BF substitutions 13:59:49 well, the other day I found some japanese guys github that had about a hlaf dozen each lazy substitutions for BF, Lazy K and a couple of other langs 14:00:43 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 14:03:48 -!- joast has joined. 14:06:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: It seems most convenient to apologise for my connection in the quit message, given how often it comes up… If I immediately reconnect, it's probably because I could send but not receive.). 14:06:27 found a lang that only recognises formfeed and vertical tab and then translates that to a javascript exec. Now to work out how exec works in javascript 14:06:29 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:07:05 -!- ATMunn has joined. 14:08:25 -!- jaboja has joined. 14:31:46 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:43:54 [wiki] [[Stape]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53160 * StellatedHexahedron * (+1227) Created page with "'''Stape''' is office-supplies-based programming language, designed to be difficult to program in in new and interesting ways. It was created in 2017 by User: stellatedHexah..." 14:47:44 -!- Hooloovo0 has quit (Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.). 14:47:55 -!- Hoolootwo has joined. 14:49:16 -!- Hoolootwo has changed nick to Hooloovo0. 15:07:14 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 15:12:58 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:24:26 -!- lezsakdomi has joined. 15:24:28 -!- danil_ has joined. 15:26:00 H 15:26:14 anyone online? 15:26:22 I don't think so 15:26:33 OK 15:27:45 Bye 15:28:00 -!- danil_ has quit (Client Quit). 15:28:36 what 15:29:31 danil was very upset at the topic not being 100% accurate, and thus maybe also takes sarcasm at face value? 15:31:38 looks 100% correct to me 15:34:32 in case anyone cares, in Magic: the Gathering, https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/ixalan-update-bulletin-2017-09-28 Ixalan Update Bulletin (summary of rules changes) 15:35:23 I read it already 15:35:34 Hooloovo0: it wasn't until I fixed it 15:35:42 it claimed the channel was a hypercube 15:35:49 which is a fairly inconsequential inaccuracy, really 15:36:05 I'm not sure I can reasonably demonstrate the channel isn't a hypercube 15:36:32 -!- danil_ has joined. 15:36:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: getting food). 15:36:59 Anyone here now/ 15:37:05 still nope 15:37:36 Why are people saying no? You are online yes? 15:37:54 we are being facetious 15:38:00 Pardon? 15:38:40 This is not serious/ 15:38:48 @google metar 15:38:49 https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ 15:38:59 @google facetious 15:39:00 https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/facetious 15:39:33 @google bear licsense 15:39:35 http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/hunt/bearlic.html 15:39:35 Title: Bear license - Wisconsin DNR 15:40:05 Usefull, huh? calling google from IRC 15:40:29 @google danil 15:40:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danil 15:40:41 I mean it's kind of annoying to us 15:41:04 Sorry. 15:41:22 I did not mean too. 15:42:03 -!- danil_ has quit (Quit: danil_). 15:46:42 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:49:25 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:50:30 -!- dan_ has joined. 15:50:37 Hello! 15:58:17 -!- Cale has joined. 16:02:29 -!- potato44 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:07:18 -!- potato44 has joined. 16:11:49 -!- potato44 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 16:12:50 Hello 16:23:53 -!- lezsakdomi has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:27:22 -!- lezsakdomi has joined. 16:33:03 Hi 16:33:20 -!- dan_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:33:28 `quote insanity 16:33:29 397) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. 16:35:00 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:36:58 -!- hakatashi has joined. 16:41:58 -!- danil_ has joined. 16:43:18 I still hate how airplane tickets only give the departure and arrival time in local time for the airports. They should give either the timezone offset of that time, or an UTC datetime. 16:43:32 They do this even for tickets that go to a different timezone. 16:43:52 yes, i also. 16:43:57 I'm currently reading the *easy* case, when I'm just traveling to Sweden and back, so both departure and arrival are in the Paris timezone. 16:44:09 Why? 16:44:38 Do you fly from Paris to Sweden 16:45:29 -!- sleffy has joined. 16:47:06 no, from Hungary to Sweden 16:47:33 Paris is just the name I use for the timezone in modern times, because it's clearly the biggest city in this timezone 16:49:02 Well, technically that's no longer true. These days Berlin and Madrid and Rome are the biggest. 16:49:17 Maybe I should call it the Berlin timezone instead. 16:50:37 I have a clock set to berlin time and not paris time 16:51:14 Paris is biggest if you count greater Paris, including agglomerations. 16:51:27 Which is probably the right measure for figuring out which is the most significant city in this context 16:51:37 so Paris is probably the right name. 16:51:49 paris is literally surrounded by a wall though, so while all metropolitans grow, "paris intramuros" doesn't 16:52:49 LKoen: yes, basically the city proper area is defined by how the local governments work, which is irrelevant here 16:52:55 Paris is the most significant city 16:53:08 (also, Berlin had a sort of strange history) 16:59:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:11:29 fungot, what's the biggest city in the Paris timezone? 17:11:29 b_jonas: leprechauns are the most spectacular being _baluchitherium_ from the abyss before them, don't you see invisible things. you'll probably find one on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of santraginus v, inhaling the heady sea vapors; you can read between it and forged odin's signature on the subject of towels. a world for himself a suit of oil-cloth or tarpaulin, and its transparent skin shows its face again. 17:11:59 b_jonas, I guess the answer is, unexpectedly, Dublin 17:12:09 ^style europarl 17:12:09 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 17:12:13 fungot, what's the biggest city in the Paris timezone? 17:12:14 b_jonas: mr president, i will not go away unless we tackle them. i do not want these problems to spill over into other countries, thailand, from 2 to 14 october 2004? i am convinced that the foundation should be involved in discussions when there really is a scandal for any civilized country just to stand by and do nothing. one wonders where it finds the courage to resolve the problems suffered by citizens and their concerns ta 17:12:30 Or possibly Bangkok 17:12:36 ok, that's avoiding this question more directly than the previous answer 17:22:12 -!- danil_ has quit (Quit: danil_). 17:26:18 -!- danil_ has joined. 17:32:01 -!- danil_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 17:37:45 -!- jaboja has joined. 17:48:01 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:53:49 <\oren\> The biggest city in the paris timezone would probaby be the rhineland urban aglomeration wouldn't it 17:54:51 \oren\: not by population I think 17:55:42 <\oren\> Hmm, Rhine-Ruhr region has 11 million 17:55:49 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 17:56:04 <\oren\> ile-de-france has 12 million 17:58:46 <\oren\> seems like they're pretty close but the winner depends what data set you're looking at 17:59:00 sure, at some point this gets a question of definition 17:59:25 s/gets/gets to be/ 18:04:04 in any case, you can call the same timezone with multiple names 18:04:35 so if you prefer to call it by some other big city within the timezone, feel free 18:04:55 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:05:22 <\oren\> hmm, maybe we can just wait until there is continuous development along the Paris-Ruhr train line 18:06:14 <\oren\> then give some fancy name to said urban aglomeration 18:09:41 <\oren\> Megacity E or some shit 18:12:14 <\oren\> altho, by that point it would include the entire country of belgium probaby 18:13:10 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:21:51 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:38:53 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:40:03 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:45:12 -!- jaboja has joined. 19:18:48 -!- danil_ has joined. 19:33:30 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:35:03 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 19:37:51 -!- lezsakdomi has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 19:46:24 -!- danil_ has quit (Quit: danil_). 19:47:52 -!- jaboja has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:49:45 -!- imode has joined. 19:50:10 -!- imode has changed nick to Guest41646. 19:56:35 -!- sleffy has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:56:56 -!- sleffy has joined. 19:58:00 Is it weird that I wind up writing things like "translating to a double de Bruijn stack context" when I'm doing something for fun 19:58:46 Taneb: I had to read up on a few mathematical papers to be able to parse Incident efficiently 20:00:03 ais523, nice 20:00:21 Although I'm making up terminology here 20:01:07 I'm not sure if de Bruijn stack is the word for what I'm doing, and honestly I'm not sure at all if I need the second one 20:03:32 What I'm doing is implementing System F in Agda 20:04:20 with type annotations? or are you using some other method to make it theoretically possible? 20:04:26 Type annotations 20:05:20 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:05:36 I'm using something like De Bruijn indices, but because it's Agda I want to statically check that I'm not going to underflow the stack, and furthermore I want to carry the variable's types about too 20:05:42 So hence a De Bruijn stack 20:05:57 -!- hakatashi has joined. 20:06:36 I need something similar at the type level, but for that I think I just need to know how many type variables I have lying around 20:07:57 (if I was doing System Fω I'd need to know the kinds of the type variables as well) 20:10:55 -!- hakatashi has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:11:29 -!- Guest41646 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9). 20:12:21 -!- hakatashi has joined. 20:12:37 I'd be very interested to know if what I'm calling the De Bruijn stack exists in the literature 20:12:42 (the the brown stack?) 20:20:55 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:22:00 -!- hakatashi has joined. 20:42:22 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:42:59 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 20:45:46 -!- jaboja has joined. 21:00:01 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 21:04:50 -!- hakatashi has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:04:54 <\oren\> muhuhahahaha self-modifying C++ 21:05:26 <\oren\> hmm, wait does it count if it has to be recompiled and rerun each time it modifies itself? 21:06:11 -!- hakatashi has joined. 21:06:35 <\oren\> i guess this isn't so self-modifying 21:42:30 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Quit: ZNC Sucks >_>). 21:42:39 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 21:42:43 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 21:43:02 -!- Bowserinator has changed nick to Guest57865. 21:43:41 -!- Guest57865 has changed nick to Bowserinator. 21:43:43 -!- Bowserinator has quit (Changing host). 21:43:43 -!- Bowserinator has joined. 21:50:45 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 21:50:50 \oren\: I think the word for that is "polymorphic" 22:12:04 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:44:30 -!- augur has joined. 22:58:14 -!- boily has joined. 23:02:24 `5 w 23:02:30 1/2:context//context is a word with many meanings, depending on where it is used. \ fourth//Since Biblical times, Forth has been the go-to language for multiplication. \ atwp//According to Wikipedia, ATWP means "Air Transport White Paper". \ icfp//I see functorial people. \ brainf**k//There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinki 23:02:31 `n 23:02:31 2/2:ng of brainfuck. 23:02:46 no, I do not think about brainfuck. 23:11:59 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 23:12:03 oh no! they're falsifying the will 23:12:12 wellob_jonas? 23:12:42 I'm listening to Gianni Schicci, the opera 23:55:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined.