< 1506902402 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.4+deb1 - http://znc.in < 1506902421 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506902714 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1506903026 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506903286 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506903518 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. the fungot has left :( < 1506903869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506903875 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:betty crocker//Betty Crocker is a notorious gambler. \ manglophobia//Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms. \ nth//nth is not that helpful \ s//Esses are confusing. \ ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. Th < 1506903924 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506903925 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:e Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. < 1506903926 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506904634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07CJam-Flavored Underload14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53158&oldid=52440 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+0) 10 < 1506906074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506906583 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Challenger514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53159&oldid=52467 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+762) 10 < 1506907900 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1506908541 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1506908541 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: dromiceiomimus, i have a great idea, dromiceiomimus: stories for women < 1506908887 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our internet left. (And then came back.) < 1506908896 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1506908898 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506908904 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1506908905 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :834) elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done. okay well that is called not linux < 1506909309 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CAUGHT CHICKEN < 1506910262 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506912274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506912681 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506913602 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: bye < 1506915448 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506916533 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1506918766 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506921001 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506921408 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506923329 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506924455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1506926531 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506928561 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506929181 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1506930860 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506934007 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1506935458 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9964:fc08:1ed6:56c3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506935938 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1506936242 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1506936786 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506939496 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506939874 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506940455 0 :impomatic!~impomatic@host81-136-106-105.range81-136.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506941166 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506941349 0 :tromp!~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506943807 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid thought: Windows renamed the Explorer program to File Explorer between Windows 7 and Windows 10, presumably because "Explorer" was too confusing: http://pbfcomics.com/comics/cave-explorer/ < 1506944066 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506944968 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.xkcd.com/1897/ - they could outsource driving to twitch chat < 1506945032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I brought up this point about gamifying the AI task we want to solve for a work project, but my supervisor said no. < 1506945327 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you mean like twitch plays pokemon? < 1506945327 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1506945353 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1506945410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's possible that twitch chat isn't the best format for getting the driving input, but it could still be turned to a game through internet and twitch would popularize the game < 1506945455 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitch usually has a higher latency than you could get if you made a game that only people with a good enough net connection could play (or at least only people with a good net connection would give input that actually matters for driving the car) < 1506946522 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: SHED CHICKEN < 1506947168 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9964:fc08:1ed6:56c3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506947439 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1506949597 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1506949885 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:80ea:c5f6:6e03:571b JOIN :#esoteric < 1506951074 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506952219 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506952848 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506954027 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506955411 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506956468 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 140 < 1506956469 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :140.00°F = 60.00°C < 1506958012 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1506958050 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a mass shooting with over 50 people dead yesterday in Las Vegas. < 1506958067 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, not in Last Vegas, but somewher else in Nevada < 1506958081 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :close < 1506959393 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe. http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gzip/gzip-1.8.tar.xz < 1506959667 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they also have a tar.gz at the same place < 1506959670 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same version < 1506959719 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1506959741 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also funny but in a different way. < 1506959775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think they'd have uncompressed source < 1506959780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the purpose of gzip < 1506959808 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the time I wrote a version of uudecode using only printable characters… < 1506959841 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more specifically, I wrote an encoder similar to uuencode that produced executables as output; you could run this on uudecode itself in order to get uudecode onto a system that didn't have it) < 1506959845 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but on the other hand, you also can't bootstrap building a shell without having a shell, and can't build a C compiler if you don't have a C compiler, and compared to either of those, gzip is much more well spread < 1506959863 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506959882 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: C compilers should be provided as executables for that reason (and commonly are) < 1506959893 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to the source form < 1506959898 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, zlib is likely literally the software that's installed in the most places, and it's not that hard to write gzip from libc; < 1506959902 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/libc/zlib/ < 1506959921 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :building a shell with no shell could be tricky, perhaps you could do it via repeatedly rebooting the system and setting the compiler, linker, etc. as init < 1506959927 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's also a very portable gzip decompressor at https://pts.50.hu/muzcat-mini-latest.tar.gz < 1506959941 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is much more limited and slower than gzip, but still works < 1506959955 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that this is pretty much just theoretical; you're unlikely to have a working compiler and linker but no working shell) < 1506959958 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're most likely to have a decompressor that understands gzip than a program that understands that version of tar too < 1506959966 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not TRUE < 1506959984 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: people have problems with building very portable programs on windows because it's hard to find a suitable shell to run the build scripts < 1506959993 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for C programs that are very portable so they're easy to build < 1506959995 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1506959997 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has a working shell, though (two, in fact) < 1506960008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the programs in question have build scripts written for a different dialect of shellscript < 1506960010 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need a gnu make, but gnu make provides a shell script to build itself without needing any make first < 1506960025 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's why I say a posix-like shell < 1506960028 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha talking about? < 1506960030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides you could probably just build it with aimake < 1506960032 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not specifically bash, but nothing windows-like < 1506960043 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: trying to build build tools without having the build tool itself in advance < 1506960065 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated < 1506960095 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I don't like is how 7-zip now only distributes the latest versions of its source code in 7-zip and self-extracting 7-zip formats, and the self-extracting part runs only on windows (you can extract it with a 7zip program anywhere), < 1506960096 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess an OS missing build tools is something of an esolang in its own right < 1506960097 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506960102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has commands but not the ones you actually wanted < 1506960113 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that the source code has the command-line version that works on unices too < 1506960122 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 7zip works < 1506960125 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in previous versions, they used to distribute the source code as bzip2 < 1506960134 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as zip or something < 1506960145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume Debian still distributes it as xz or something? < 1506960160 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably something like that, I don't know how they compress their programs < 1506960168 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAR and other zip utilities understand 7zip format < 1506960170 0 :MrBismuth!~ArcMrBism@2602:306:8325:a300:c801:d7f:77e1:92be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506960204 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if anyone wants, I can give you all parts of 7-zip packed in whatever reasonable format you want < 1506960213 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have zip versions of some of what they distrubute < 1506960223 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about unreasonable formats? < 1506960240 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the windows executables, I keep them just in case < 1506960248 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should distribute the source code in zip format < 1506960284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it should be distributed as an uncompressed shar < 1506960285 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can provide some unreasonable formats too, but not just any unreasonable format < 1506960286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was reasonable once < 1506960291 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506960295 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm pretty sure I used it for something as a joke at one point, possibly C-INTERCAL < 1506960311 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, maybe I posted a new version of C-INTERCAL to Usenet directly for tradition's sake? < 1506960319 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of thing I'd do < 1506960336 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506960371 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7ZIP works on my Ubuntu. < 1506960431 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, whats a 'hypercide' < 1506960453 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, BTW whats a 'hypercube' < 1506960455 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes, that's p7zip, 7zip's own command-line port to linux, which works almost the same as their windows command-line version < 1506960464 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :works more or less decently but with a horrible user interface < 1506960472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: a hypercube is a 4 (or more)-dimensional generalization of a cube < 1506960472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :developped by the 7-zip devs themselves < 1506960478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hypercube < 1506960479 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercube? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1506960492 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of a cube as being two squares, with corresponding corners connected < 1506960505 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fairly easy to visualise because humans are used to both 2D and 3D < 1506960514 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Welcome to the international hyper cube for esoteric languages' < 1506960517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the two squares are in separate 2D planes < 1506960537 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was wrong! < 1506960550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a hypercube is that a dimension higher up; you get two 3D cubes in separate 3D spaces (think parallel universes or the like), and then connect all the corners < 1506960553 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they provide the source code of the unix command-line version at least as bz2 < 1506960556 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, corresponding corners < 1506960559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the channel topic here is rarely serious < 1506960564 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only the windows version that they only provide as 7zip and msi currently < 1506960567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone wrote "hypercube" rather than "IRC channel" as a joke < 1506960573 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is NOT a geometry IRC channel! < 1506960590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should provide the standalone windows command-line version as a zip, so you can easily use it without admin privilages < 1506960593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1506960594 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as I thought < 1506960594 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one understands IRC jokes. < 1506960596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard topic is something along the lines of "welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment" < 1506960629 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people have a tendency to change it due to messing around and not enough people are inclined to change it back < 1506960641 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1506960651 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language discussion, design, development and deployment! | http://esolangs.org | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf < 1506960652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better < 1506960656 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it seems like 7-zip is careful, they made sure the source code for the unix command-line version is written in C (not C++) and all source files have 8.3 filenames, so I can provide it in quite a few unreasonable formats of old dos compressor programs nobody even remembers anymore < 1506960665 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 7zip got to do with build tools. 7zip's a decompressor < 1506960665 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've had this one before and it's actually /more/ precise than the usual topic < 1506960681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: if the source code you're trying to build is in .7z format < 1506960684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, 7zip's is < 1506960698 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1506960725 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would like to note that xz actually distributes pre-built DOS binaries though < 1506960730 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually looked at 7zips source code < 1506960747 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: neat < 1506960751 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: this channel can drift to off-topic sometimes < 1506960752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much demand is there for DOS binaries of NetHack, btw? < 1506960763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our current DOS maintainer has disappeared and I'm wondering if I should try to take over < 1506960767 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: WOW! < 1506960790 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatz nethack? < 1506960791 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, I stayed away from this channel for months because I disliked how offtopic it had gotten < 1506960796 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. I have a custom DOS binary for the joe-editor that I can distribute. It's not perfect, but I used it for text editing a lot. < 1506960798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: computer game, famous for being old and portable < 1506960812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's famous for being portable? I didn't know of that < 1506960825 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well it runs on a huge number of platforms, especially if you take older versions < 1506960826 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I dont understand computer games < 1506960844 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have an old computer with an unusual OS and want to play a game on it often send us questions about what version they can run on it < 1506960859 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought old programs from back then just (a) had to do that out of necessity, and (b) are automatically portable because everyone implements the few thousand functions those old programs used from the old BSD libc or whatever, including crazy ones like index. < 1506960862 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: they're basically a way to practice skills in a controlled environment, while having fun < 1506960886 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, they often send you (as in the devteam) questions, really? < 1506960888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some games train skills like reaction time and coordination, others about more mental skills like planning andp uzzle solving < 1506960902 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do, then yes, it is notable for being portable < 1506960917 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i dont put my head into the games.(And in the cloud) < 1506960919 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, one of our most common sorts of email (that isn't a bug report) is "can you recommend a version of NetHack that I can play on my «insert old computer system here»?" < 1506960941 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a NetHack dev? < 1506960943 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess that could be true, after all, someone wondered about a port to that old nokia personal organizer < 1506960949 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes < 1506960981 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that linked with esoteric programming languages? < 1506961026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: porting programs to old systems is an eso-programming topic already, but this channel often drifts off-topic too < 1506961031 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the release of NetHack 3.6.0 only came about as a consequence of the existence of INTERCAL < 1506961034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly just coincidence < 1506961047 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. This channel gets offtopic all the time < 1506961082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a fairly long dependency chain (although still a clear one that's possible to trace) < 1506961083 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esoteric title changed! < 1506961099 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1506961112 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things are fairly easy to change < 1506961121 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you change it? < 1506961124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1506961133 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1506961138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: also, if you look at nethack's source code in detail, you'll see it looks sort of like eso-programming now, even though the practices it uses made sense back when it was developped, and it's a lot of work to rewrite it. < 1506961143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably be changed to something else by tomorrow, though, knowing this channel < 1506961160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IMO it'd be great if the game itself were Turing-complete, but I'm fairly sure it isn't < 1506961161 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempting. < 1506961175 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi int-e! < 1506961193 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something? < 1506961193 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you look: poorly drawn < 1506961201 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks so much < 1506961201 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a new day dawns... < 1506961211 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1506961211 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz* sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1506961220 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a bot written in Befunge < 1506961220 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all that means is that if a building? it is the east, and plagiarism is < 1506961242 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a few functions, one of the main ones is trying and failing to say something intelligible in response to people mentioning its name < 1506961244 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say your source code out loud < 1506961244 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. < 1506961258 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961258 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961273 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961273 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961277 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: fungot doesn't actually know English, so you have to express it in a language fungot does understand < 1506961277 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: t-rex, i left a party early to go have a bath, and there i don't feel like i look down and notice you're not there < 1506961307 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What language do you speak? < 1506961307 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: to turn back time and live again with your sweetie! i'm sure one will look for them, i have come up with a " i have lots, probably! if not, we can make the cutest cards ever for a series of puns. < 1506961331 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a buisness deal with a bot!? < 1506961336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Underload! ):*:*:*S < 1506961336 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! Underload! < 1506961347 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also brainfuck but it's harder to write programs in that quickly < 1506961358 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf_txtgen brainfuck! < 1506961359 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Underload < 1506961362 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1506961364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>>.<++.>-.>+++++++.+++++.<+++++.<+++.>---.>---.>+++++.-. [171] < 1506961375 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, HackEgo < 1506961397 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is our main esoteric programming language interpretation bot < 1506961408 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people normally use it for messing around rather than for actually running esolang programs < 1506961409 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1506961418 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask some vague questions about esoteric language development, in a rubber duck style. < 1506961419 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you use him? < 1506961435 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to interpret an esolang, you type `! then the language name then the program < 1506961440 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul(Hi!):*:*:*S < 1506961447 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a space < 1506961452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after ^ul < 1506961469 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hi!):*:*:*S < 1506961469 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi!Hi! < 1506961488 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck +- < 1506961498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+- doesn't produce any visible output < 1506961506 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you'd need `! brainfuck +- < 1506961512 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! brainfuck +[.+] < 1506961513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/brainfuck: not found < 1506961517 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, need a cell width < 1506961520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +[.+] < 1506961521 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \  < 1506961533 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! bf8 +[.++] < 1506961543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed the ` < 1506961556 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +[.++] < 1506961557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.  < 1506961562 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I have a simple core esoteric language, which doesn't have much IO facilities, plus a standard library, which can have optional parts, for doing IO. The library has an interface that matches the language features, so you could give the same interface as the library functions have if you wrote those functions in that language based implemented from any reasonable other IO facilities, built-in or otherwise. < 1506961573 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh.. < 1506961585 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how C has a core language with not much IO facilities, plus a standard library, only this one is esoteric. < 1506961591 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. < 1506961594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`! bf8 +++++[->++++++<]>++[.+] < 1506961594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~€‚ƒ„…†‡ˆ‰Š‹ŒŽ‘’“”•–—˜™š›œžŸ ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ < 1506961606 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that for? < 1506961615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: trying to produce useful output with a fairly short program < 1506961623 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1506961623 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 < 1506961631 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core language is rather simple, which I like. Would it ruin the beauty of that simplicity to provide such an IO library? < 1506961641 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... < 1506961650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I don't get why it doesn't start with space < 1506961664 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it does < 1506961668 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye... < 1506961676 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with ​ !" for me < 1506961687 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have a meeting now, bye everyone < 1506961694 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1506961695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: meeting < 1506961699 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, there's a space after the header hackego always ouputs to avoid triggering other bots < 1506961715 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1506961724 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need Lunch. Bye < 1506961736 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quit: lunch < 1506961760 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1506961775 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what programming language fungot uses? < 1506961775 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: and in the book, i tell people that the key to a good diet! she never did in the past. now i'll have that one, the one on a boat can float along for years without crew or sails or a working knowledge, you can never again be able to look in a mirror < 1506961798 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, how do i disable f***** < 1506961822 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: it's implemented in befunge. you can write macros for it in brainfuck and underload. < 1506961920 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, who made fungoat < 1506961934 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be disabled, but you can sneak invisible characters in and confuse it. < 1506961949 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i do that < 1506961960 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fizzie's creation I believe. < 1506961981 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungоt <- unicode is also an option < 1506961987 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bots are their? < 1506961993 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode о < 1506961994 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O] < 1506962020 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ao < 1506962020 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A] [U+006F LATIN SMALL LETTER O] < 1506962024 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`prefixes < 1506962026 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1506962035 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of those are still here < 1506962043 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos lambdabot? < 1506962057 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1506962059 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,... < 1506962062 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot ! < 1506962075 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[23..] < 1506962091 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacenotoptional < 1506962103 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1506962115 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[2..] < 1506962119 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [23..] < 1506962122 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,... < 1506962129 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506962139 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [24..] < 1506962141 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,... < 1506962150 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1506962163 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos jbot < 1506962164 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1506962166 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1506962188 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming language is THAT! < 1506962219 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1506962237 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh! Why Haskell in esolang? < 1506962254 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1506962254 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 021520Z 26007KT 9999 -RA FEW080 SCT100 BKN150 17/11 Q1019 NOSIG < 1506962263 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, and it relays messages < 1506962267 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1506962274 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google metar < 1506962276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ < 1506962288 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ohh < 1506962311 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR is more useful, I guess < 1506962320 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar pirr < 1506962320 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962330 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to provide an ICAO airport code < 1506962333 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar PIR < 1506962362 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, WHAT DID @METAR LOWI DO? < 1506962370 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar kpir < 1506962370 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KPIR 021453Z AUTO 31003KT 10SM CLR 11/08 A2985 RMK AO2 SLP108 T01060078 51012 < 1506962394 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS METAR NEEDED? < 1506962404 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar RAP < 1506962407 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everybody likes talking about the weather. < 1506962423 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that message do? < 1506962438 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar rap < 1506962452 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar LAS < 1506962460 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :icao has four letter codes. < 1506962501 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For most US airpoirts it's K followed by the IATA code, I believe. < 1506962515 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KLAS < 1506962515 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KLAS 021456Z 36015G25KT 330V030 10SM FEW180 20/M06 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP071 T02001061 51028 < 1506962542 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the above message from lambdabot mean? < 1506962574 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KRAP < 1506962574 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAP 021452Z 32005KT 10SM SCT039 BKN046 08/05 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP132 T00780050 53014 < 1506962587 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSFC < 1506962587 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 20°C, very dry, windy... < 1506962587 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962606 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you parse it? < 1506962614 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 20/M06 part is temperature and dewpoint. < 1506962622 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, see the METAR wikipedia page < 1506962632 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I better do < 1506962644 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google metar < 1506962645 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/ < 1506962657 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wikipedia metar < 1506962657 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1506962662 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1506962662 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas. < 1506962725 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit: reading longggggg wiki page < 1506962735 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506962759 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@METAR SFRUN < 1506962759 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1506962773 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar SFRUN < 1506962787 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the code for Russia? < 1506962891 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UCFM < 1506962891 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCFM 021530Z 12005MPS 8000 BKN066CB 11/07 Q1011 R26/CLRD70 NOSIG < 1506962922 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar oss < 1506962934 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UOSS < 1506962934 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506962940 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar OSS < 1506963023 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFG < 1506963023 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963031 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFG < 1506963031 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963043 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tHAT IS A AIRPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1506963132 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506963183 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506963194 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UAFS < 1506963194 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result. < 1506963244 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar UUEE < 1506963244 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUEE 021530Z 07002MPS 9999 OVC017 04/02 Q1032 R24R/CLRD62 R24L/CLRD62 NOSIG < 1506963922 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506964050 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1506964395 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1506964611 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI < 1506964769 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot <- unicode < 1506964770 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: in a good story, they function in an undiagnosable way? i could have this hyper-evolved speaking that could convince anyone to do whatever i want!! < 1506964781 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1506964781 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: hey, i have unfocused, but at the end, to ask me what my favourite suffix. < 1506964799 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Really? < 1506965005 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1506965007 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something? < 1506965046 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1506965046 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1506965066 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot Hi < 1506965078 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ hi < 1506965091 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!) < 1506965103 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack < 1506965189 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KRAP < 1506965190 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KRAP 021552Z 35007KT 10SM FEW046 08/05 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP133 T00780050 < 1506965441 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506965672 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506965711 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDFs from professional organizations that still read "Microsoft Word - whatever.doc" as their title... Why < 1506965948 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a S in that ul. < 1506965949 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S < 1506965949 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1506965968 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a thing where it only answers one person at most three or four times in a row, to stop loops. < 1506966061 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1506966080 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how are you? any new panoramas? < 1506966128 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks! < 1506966141 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul(hi!)S < 1506966159 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S < 1506966159 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1506966169 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have taken some (using the built in function on the phone) but I have not yet uploaded it anywhere < 1506966200 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ <-unicode < 1506966236 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha talkin` about < 1506966241 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-652-1-600-163.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506966272 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (hi!)S*:*:* < 1506966272 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! ...out of stack! < 1506966303 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot < 1506966310 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: hi < 1506966311 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |value error: hi < 1506966321 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jb: help < 1506966333 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jbot: help < 1506966355 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: help < 1506966356 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |value error: help < 1506966372 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2 < 1506966373 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 4 < 1506966382 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently the jpeg is 47 MB huh < 1506966404 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? < 1506966421 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2% < 1506966422 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: |syntax error < 1506966422 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: | 2 *2% < 1506966528 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 2*2*2*2*2 < 1506966529 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 32 < 1506966560 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, manager... < 1506966583 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506966586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Mm, probably, but I don't have a list anywhere. I've been mostly defaulting to using the phone's built-in thing as well. I had that home-built panorama head for the previous Sorta-Real Camera, but it doesn't fit the Real Camera. < 1506966626 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I went to a nature reserve that was a previous forest fire area (big forest fire) a couple of years ago. Very different nature < 1506966638 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should upload some pictures somewhere. Dropbox may work < 1506966644 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506966673 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We went to Scotland again this summer, I'm sure I took some photos there. < 1506966683 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 1112234578*11111111 < 1506966684 0 :j-bot!eldis4@firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 12358161854196158 < 1506966724 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1506966773 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is'nt this channel offtop < 1506966784 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1506966788 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always < 1506966809 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often, though. < 1506966817 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonass < 1506966825 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506966886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ie7mmypeovlr1n2/AADV2B4P4Kd66X_HXXbDI-T2a?dl=0 < 1506966922 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506966976 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hopefully I shared in the proper way. I think dropbox redesigned the interface or something, doesn't work like I remember it < 1506967014 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a little ontop question < 1506967022 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: sure, what is it? < 1506967041 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are esolangs needed?# < 1506967060 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: why is any hobby needed? < 1506967091 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so esolangs are hobbies. I met a dev who used esolangs to get money. < 1506967113 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how? < 1506967123 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they can be educational as well < 1506967159 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn about computing in the restricted domain of esolangs. Or learn to write a compiler more easily than for a real language. < 1506967177 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506967203 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, his manager gave him Money per line of code. To make a simple program he got a esolang which a) obfuscated his code b) was longer then even java < 1506967232 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds to me you don't need a different language for that. < 1506967238 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, by one of the popular definitions, if practical use is the primary intention, it isn't an esolang. < 1506967250 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :How our wiki puts it is: "An esoteric programming language, or esolang, is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use." < 1506967253 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. Well obviously his manager doesn't understand good coding practice. Also that is a shitty way to get paid < 1506967255 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whatever you did seems to have worked. Looks nice. Not that different from some parts of Finland. < 1506967269 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: all the trees are dead. Forest fire. < 1506967283 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acttually, a Brainf interpreter is easier to make than a BASIC one < 1506967287 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is not that they lost their leaves for the winter < 1506967312 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the landscape felt kind of spooky. Lots of signs about increased risk of falling trees and such. < 1506967333 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: indeed! so good for education to learn the basics of interpreter writing < 1506967346 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimising brainfuck compiler is quite interesting too < 1506967346 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1506967349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to be the payment by a fixed amount, regardless of how large it is or how much time it takes, assuming the program is good. < 1506967362 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1506967408 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what do Water Supply managers now about Coding & computers. A misterious box with weird lamps. < 1506967428 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1506967462 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, it was a anecdote from a guy's forum. Could be true, though < 1506967473 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the way I work. Paid a fixed monthly salary and having a reasonably secure job (i.e. not just for a single project) < 1506967498 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also. Only i am a student not a adult. < 1506967538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pay one fixed amount per project is better, rather than per month or per hour or whatever < 1506967563 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of you are right i n some way < 1506967574 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: only if you work on a project basis, as supposed to continued development of a large product < 1506967592 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1506967620 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: told you this channel goes offtop < 1506967649 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: yes I only said: danil> Is'nt this channel offtop always not always < 1506967661 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never disputed "sometimes" or even "often" < 1506967731 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: mind you, it isn't as if we are interrupting some on topic stuff that is going on at the same time < 1506967785 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I always do that < 1506967810 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh! My IRC clien is slowwing down.... < 1506967813 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :always do what? < 1506967822 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1506967829 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad internet? < 1506967832 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be to dramatic < 1506967849 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Na, Buggy Linux + Buggy IRC < 1506967877 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is slow < 1506967886 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ubuntu atm. Ubuntu LTS < 1506967890 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a core 2 duo laptop < 1506967893 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine < 1506967902 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgraded it with an SSD, but that is it < 1506967907 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 17.04 Acer Aspire V5 < 1506967909 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506967925 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate LTS. I'm bleeding edge < 1506967929 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: 16.04 LTS, Thinkpad from ~2009 < 1506967945 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you would hate what I run on my desktop < 1506967949 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian stable < 1506967965 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1506967967 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should totally use arch or gentoo then. Probably arch < 1506967987 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what" in response to what? < 1506968002 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use OpenSuSe(12) on my Desktop < 1506968023 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you a GPL activist? < 1506968033 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I like debian stable and ubuntu lts. Means it just works except when I upgrade every two or three years. < 1506968050 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I used GPL for my own befunge-98 interpreters < 1506968060 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTS for me is too stable... < 1506968068 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like crashing Linux < 1506968079 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this LTS has some annoying bugs with the old intel graphics of this laptop < 1506968101 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the on resume from suspend chrome starts flickering black. Firefox is fine < 1506968104 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Beer Liscence Activist. Like BSD liscense also < 1506968113 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE FIREFOX. < 1506968126 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use AMD < 1506968141 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, they are just browsers. As long as they can run scriptmonkey and stylish, whatever < 1506968168 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(greasemonkey/tampermonkey, depending on browser) < 1506968212 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968214 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Suppose your right. I Just installed a new IRC client called Polari. Everything does not work < 1506968222 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1506968228 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: I use hexchat. I used xchat before that. < 1506968238 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just works < 1506968259 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to spend all my time making computers work. I rather be productive with them. < 1506968280 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldnt configure hexchat. It was confusing. I now just use the Ubuntu Chat app < 1506968293 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? huh < 1506968310 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Chat just works < 1506968325 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for now < 1506968333 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu chat? what is that? < 1506968354 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chat Application < 1506968370 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh, but what is it based on? Pidgin? < 1506968383 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you I run ubuntu and debian with MATE. Not a fan of the default ubuntu unity thing < 1506968399 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought ubuntu bundled pidgin < 1506968406 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. More quicker and agile. I am using KDE with Unity apps < 1506968450 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chat is quicker than a pidgeon. Pidgeon's are slow and dangerous < 1506968457 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, this hardware couldn't handle that < 1506968483 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually run cinamon on my desktop, instead of mate. Switched when upgrading debian most recently < 1506968490 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just installed kubuntu-desktop through terminal.# < 1506968512 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a KDE fanatic. < 1506968523 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: the GUI is just a terminal multiplexer for most of what I do. < 1506968533 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: danil < 1506968566 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why I use the most minimal (in terms of resources) gui i can < 1506968577 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, LXDE or XFCE < 1506968602 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: there are enough GUI programs I use. Image editing, web browser, IDEs. That sort of stuff. < 1506968612 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i3wm with a random assortment of programs < 1506968680 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably work just as well as MATE, LXDE or XFCE yes < 1506968701 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the inertia of learning a new system, when the keyboard shortcuts are ingrained in your fingers < 1506968702 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while i was using two computers. one that didn't run a desktop at all, which i dialed into from the other, which was running puppy linux < 1506968793 0 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1506968881 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968889 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone calls me a greybeard < 1506968927 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506968942 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506968950 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506968955 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :danil: being a greybeard pays well doesn't it < 1506969794 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970380 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1506970438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506970459 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GUI IS A TERMMINAL MULTIPLEXER < 1506970476 0 :danil!~danil@cpc88836-newt35-2-0-cust780.19-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1506971292 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506971328 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : <\oren\_> Vorpal: that's why I use the most minimal (in terms of resources) gui i can << twm? < 1506971343 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything other than twm uses more resources. < 1506971357 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :{yes, even that shiny i3wm} < 1506971381 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still considering between stumpwm and windowmaker
< 1506971403 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :those gnome wannabes are too apple'ish < 1506971441 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: Ahhhh! My IRC clien is slowwing down.... < write your own one :D < 1506971456 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered running without a window manager... < 1506971472 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, I'm not really serious, but it does seem to be a valid question ;-) ) < 1506971478 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TTY is not a minimal GUI! < 1506971484 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not a GUI :x < 1506971548 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: you can run X without a window manager < 1506971555 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should look up if i3wm uses more ressources than herbstluft < 1506971556 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll end up placing everything manually though < 1506971581 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, uh, placing and optionally decorating windows is one of the main tasks of window managers. < 1506971583 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i3wm *does* use more resources than twm. < 1506971632 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "placing manually" I mean passing -geometry options to everything. < 1506972022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506972092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506972189 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506972820 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1506973285 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506973291 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use i3wm, but may later write my own. < 1506973497 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't. < 1506973515 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you'll learn a lot, but: don't. :D there are too many WMs already. < 1506973547 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i miss the good old times when everyone wrote text editors, not wms..) < 1506973717 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which I need to finish my text editor < 1506973781 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1506973830 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to finish my xmarks alternative. and my gopher client. and my irc client. and my text editor. and my reddit bot. and my two file managers. < 1506973832 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won. < 1506973868 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure zzo38 is winning the local vapourware contest. < 1506973904 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know the list of projects i haven't even STARTED yet! < 1506973925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, maybe Feather counts for a dozen ordinary vapourware projects. < 1506974000 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's in an earlier stage than vapourware < 1506974014 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vapourware normally has the advantage of at least being known to be theoretically possible to write < 1506974599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1506974618 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506975019 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:80ea:c5f6:6e03:571b QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506975187 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I might write a window manager. That way I can learn how it is working, but also just to put the stuff I wanted (I don't need all of the features of i3, and is also missing some thing I wanted), but also just in case I want to do some day, I might or might not I don't know. You can use X without a window manager, which can be useful if you only need one window, I suppose. < 1506975228 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your xmarks alternative, gopher client, irc client, and others, aredoing what? I wrote a IRC client already and more than one gopher client < 1506975247 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is xmarks anyways?) < 1506975352 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*googles* a bookmarks manager with synchronisation facilities? < 1506975572 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways I do not use the i3 menu, nor the status bar it comes with; I wrote my own status bar program for use with i3bar, and just use the command shell in xterm if I want to start other programs, so xterm and xrefresh are the only programs I have added keybindings to start them. < 1506975617 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yup, but without restriction to one browser < 1506975634 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :synching the built-in browser bookmarks < 1506975642 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else does that and xmarks sucks < 1506975643 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1506975660 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why use i3 then? < 1506975664 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also added a program to display the process ID and window ID if the title is clicked with the right button. < 1506975699 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: Well, the i3 menu and i3status are separate programs from i3wm anyways, and I have not installed those other programs. Mainly it is just the closest thing to what I wanted and is suitable for now. < 1506975709 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1506975740 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found i3wm too over-hyped < 1506975817 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use bookmarks outside of the browser though I just wrote a shell script which executes SQL queries to do it, although only with one browser; still, with the same SQL queries I can add them to work with Lynx and so on too rather than only Firefox if I wanted to, easily enough. < 1506975940 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this look good enough to you or don't? < 1506975972 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need two file managers? < 1506976030 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :one as a clone of windows 3.11's good old fileman.exe (it was better than young people think) < 1506976040 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :one as a better tc/mc/far manager/whatever < 1506976041 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506976090 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean like a orthodox file manager? < 1506976111 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, yes < 1506976137 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use them on windows, but the one of my choice (currently, speedcommander) still lacks some features *for me* < 1506976147 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought it would be easy < 1506976151 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: it wasn't < 1506976164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly used fileman.exe when I used Windows 3.1 < 1506976171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much just for creating directories < 1506976179 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used fileman a lot on windows 9x < 1506976181 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly always I opened files via File|Open in the program that read them < 1506976185 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than crapplorer < 1506976201 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually still would be, if win10 would support 16-bit applications < 1506976201 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1506976225 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had dual panels! < 1506976233 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Linux and do not use any file manager, since, can just using the command shell < 1506976234 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :something microsoft thought nobody would want anymore < 1506976256 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wasn't it basically a graphical norton commander < 1506976259 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can use "the command shell" on windows too (the powershell is actually rather handy), but i don't want to :D < 1506976273 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot
< 1506976317 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://www.mi.uni-koeln.de/c/mirror/www.igd.fhg.de/www/grz/mswin/awfntdev/fileman.gif < 1506976324 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 lovely < 1506976334 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bullshit, just file management. < 1506976340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I normally use a shell on Linux for file management < 1506976349 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, and a WinZip plugin on the screenshot < 1506976351 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I use Nautilus, though < 1506976383 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: oh I see, it had the tree part... yes I miss that as well. < 1506976395 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1506976396 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( it's still there in regedit ;-) ) < 1506976414 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a half-working version ready < 1506976416 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :in delphi :x < 1506976423 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no menus yet. < 1506976448 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1506976457 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ha, on-topic! because who still uses delphi, except me?) < 1506976485 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use QuickBASIC for writing DOS programs < 1506976538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including MIXPC, which is mentioned on the esolang wiki article about MIX (Knuth), because it is an implementation of that instruction set.) < 1506976562 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they discontinue borland pascal for windows anyway? < 1506976588 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :freepascal works < 1506976647 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a free compiler for DOS that will work in real mode? < 1506976650 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506976851 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which language? < 1506976853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put on my computer on the status bar, the number of email messages, the system load, the memory usage, and the current date/time. I did not put temperature because I do not have a driver for it. < 1506976875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: BASIC, although a different programming language might do too < 1506976876 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you want the compiler itself to run on DOS real mode? or do you want its /output/ to run on DOS real mode? < 1506976899 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :FASM? < 1506976913 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The output program. I would want the compiler also to, but if it doesn't, it could be OK as long as the output program does run on real mode. < 1506977003 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :developing programs under DOS, now there's a thing I do not miss a lot < 1506977008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "bruce's C compiler" runs on Linux and produces 8086 real mode output, and has an option to produce it as a DOS .COM file < 1506977021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably runs on other OSes too (maybe even DOS itself) < 1506977035 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because every second programming error ended up requiring a hard reboot) < 1506977048 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of compilers that run on DOS real mode themselves, I'm not sure if there are any FLOSS compilers, but shareware compilers were fairly common back then < 1506977065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Borland made a few < 1506977068 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, DOS starts up much faster than Linux or Windows, so a hard reboot does not take as long < 1506977117 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolibrios is hella fast < 1506977138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once installed FreeDOS and a database program on a computer, and when the CRT was turned on at the same time as turning on the computer, the database program is already ready by the time the picture is visible. < 1506977290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer (running Linux) shuts down really fast, when I reboot the shutdown is faster than the "BIOS" (actually EFI) loading screen (which shows before the bootloader even starts running) < 1506977335 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer running linux that can be shut down? < 1506977338 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no systemd?:D < 1506977357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it has systemd, it just somehow seems to actually work in this configuration < 1506977405 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderous times < 1506977515 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506977915 0 :zseri!~zseri@i5E86C62D.versanet.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1506978304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1506978312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my shutdown has broken again actually < 1506978315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking systemd < 1506978320 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1506978339 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried _working_ operating systems, like virtually any non-linux? < 1506978376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffthahahaha < 1506978385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i didn't realise you were that much of a hipster < 1506978395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like having steam too much, i'm afraid < 1506978405 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :being called a "hipster" by people using a 2% desktop system < 1506978415 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly my kind of joke < 1506978423 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your loss. < 1506978432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you mean windows or mac os then yeah obviously i've tried those < 1506978454 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses windows, openbsd and freebsd
< 1506978459 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :no systemd < 1506978461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>openbsd < 1506978462 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect shutdown < 1506978463 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506978463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>freebsd < 1506978467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a hipster < 1506978471 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>working shutdown < 1506978477 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win again < 1506978495 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, playstations use freebsd as well < 1506978500 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn hipsters! < 1506978504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :because as we all know it's impossible to run linux without systemd < 1506978517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hilarious line of reasoning really < 1506978532 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :poettering shitware is slowly infecting every inch of the gnu/linux fail ecosystem < 1506978537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, everything you can run on freebsd you can run on linux < 1506978539 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :see firefox/pulseaudio < 1506978539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaahahahahaha < 1506978541 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :see GNOME < 1506978543 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1506978555 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean, everything you can run on freebsd you can run on linux << really? ZFS as a root file system? :P < 1506978569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so explain to me the desktop environment you're using on freebsd that doesn't run on linux < 1506978570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wait < 1506978576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs is nice but it's not a game-changer < 1506978590 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs *is* a game-changer. (ok, maybe not on a desktop) < 1506978598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978624 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you do in freebsd will ever require any poettering shitware < 1506978624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on a server you don't need it as root < 1506978632 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the remaining three hipster distros < 1506978633 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1506978638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you do on linux requires poeterring shitware < 1506978644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk why you can't grasp this < 1506978646 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506978668 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is the userbase of non-poettering shitware distros (no udev, no pulseaudio, no shitstemd)? < 1506978671 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>hipster < 1506978685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, can you demonstrate it's smaller than bsd's? < 1506978708 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large part of the web traffic is routed through freebsd (netflix and whatsapp) < 1506978710 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :won! < 1506978722 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, i can < 1506978722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :so subtly moving the goalposts away from desktop use < 1506978743 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main point is still: your fail os fails to shutdown < 1506978748 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much better, i see < 1506978764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're missing my actual point < 1506978775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, lol you're 13 and think os pissing contests are cool < 1506978782 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :your actual point being "hurr durr i COULD use a working os but NOBODY USES BSD" < 1506978803 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because working computers are sooooo 90s. < 1506978803 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1506978841 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : pfffthahahaha < 1506978842 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is, lol you're 13 < 1506978851 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1506978857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think poettering's a cunt too but i don't go around embarrassing myself by blabbering about 'shitstemd' < 1506978878 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, you try to bash working software instead < 1506978882 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1506978888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506978891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i bash bsd < 1506978896 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :>try to < 1506978915 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to use alsa < 1506978950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always use alsa < 1506978979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only used pulse on this machine to run unity games after they fucked up and made them require pulse < 1506978986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(until i found a workaround) < 1506978998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you couldn't run those games on freebsd at all, idk < 1506979122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping lennart's bullshit would be nice but not worth rebooting to windows every time i wanted to play anything < 1506979136 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't reboot :) < 1506979156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1506979193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the shutdown's even really broken, there's some sort of transient permissioning problem < 1506979221 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why not just use separate linux and windows computers < 1506979226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1506979249 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arms not strong enough to carry two laptops? < 1506979258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a desktop < 1506979298 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then why not two < 1506979339 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just one desk < 1506979404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely, i barely have room for a tiny desk in this room let alone two towers < 1506979463 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: well he could have a switch that changes which computer the peripherals are connected to, my dad had one back in the day < 1506979547 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had two outlets for mouse, keyboard and screen, and one input, and a big dial that rotated between 1 and 2 < 1506979564 0 :Cthulhux!cthulhu@piratenpartei/ni/tux PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still requires room for a second computer < 1506979609 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cthulhux: I guess but it doesn't need room for a second desk at least < 1506979685 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually would such a switch thing even work with complex protocols of USB and hdmi? maybe it would have to have a microprocessor in it < 1506979725 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the 90's we used PS/2 and VGA connecters < 1506980034 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: the search term is "KVM switch", which stands for "keyboard, video, mouse" (in a strange order) < 1506980062 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: presumably it was just a KV switch originally, then mice became popular so were added onto the end < 1506980136 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\_: these days instead people connect the keyboard, mouse and video outlets to small computers with microprocessors that give you a remote control ability through the internet for administrative access. remote management console or something. sometimes they also add a relay to power cycle the machine. < 1506980173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use an external HDMI switch when I had a monitor without enough inputs. I don't think it had much of smarts, though. < 1506980186 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe, but the mouse was already popular 25 years ago for non-game computers, and you don't use a KVM switch for a game console, so I'm not sure if that ever really happened < 1506980231 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get away without a switch by connecting two computers to a monitor through two different types of inputs. with like four different types of video input these days (VGA, DVI, HDMI, displayport), that's often easy by accident. < 1506980246 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having two keyboards (or just using the built-in keyboard of a notebook) is easier than having two monitors < 1506980304 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, these days some people also just use multiple monitors < 1506980358 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many monitors have more than one of a given type of input, at least if you go a bit fancier. This one has 2x HDMI, one DP and one mini-DP. < 1506980364 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father, for example, is a sysadmin, so sometimes he works on his own notebook plus two other local computers at the same time to install stuff, in that case he can connect two computers to two monitors and either use only the built-in small display of the notebook or connect using two different types of input < 1506980386 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can it actually switch between those two HDMI by some button presses on the monitor? < 1506980391 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1506980406 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1506980407 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that too < 1506980412 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was common on monitors < 1506980415 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even got two soft keys you can bind to a specific action, including a specific output. < 1506980423 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really made that HDMI switch redundant. < 1506980436 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the switch had 4 HDMI inputs on it, but I don't have that many sources. < 1506980451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a Dell U2515H, for reference. < 1506980498 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but then all these different connection types get complicated because you often need at least passive converters (the video cards do the actual conversion, the passive converter just connects the wires) < 1506980530 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we have both hdmi and displayport, as separate types? < 1506980564 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does get pretty complicated, especially since all of them have different version numbers. < 1506980580 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand that VGA only does analog video signals, which is why we need DVI, which can do analog or digital, and that DVI doesn't do sound in the same cable as video, which is why we have HDMI < 1506980629 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, I know the same kind of connector port can carry multiple different signals, so there's DVI with fewer or more ports, depending on whether you want analog or digital, and... something about more than 8 bits of color depth or some such magic? I'm not sure frankly < 1506980671 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very specific. E.g. you need at least DisplayPort 1.3 to have enough bandwidth for a 3840x2160 resolution. < 1506980699 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 1.2. Or something, I don't remember anymore. < 1506980714 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also something you need HDMI 2.0 for, over HDMI 1.4. < 1506980735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while we're there, why do we have both USB3 (two speeds of that, I think) and ESATA for fast communication between a computer and a storage device? < 1506980740 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's the 4K resolution thing, and the DisplayPort version was something else. < 1506980772 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so maybe you need a fancier cable for extra-high resolution with high color depth < 1506980775 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could make sense < 1506980788 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an USB 3.1 as well, and it comes in "gen 1" and "gen 2" varieties. < 1506980840 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I thought we only had USB 3 and USB 3.1 < 1506980842 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB 3.1 gen 2 can do five speeds: low speed, full speed, high speed, superspeed and superspeed+. < 1506980852 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the maximum VGA screen size? < 1506980854 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do USB 3 and USB 3.1 use the same physical connector? < 1506980864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a little funny how "full speed" is like the second-slowest option. < 1506980888 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess since it's an analog signal it's limited physically rather than my protocol < 1506980892 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, that's like how "double density" is the small capacity floppy disk < 1506980920 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one nobody ever uses because high density floppies are supported everywhere and are cheap and have twice as much data < 1506980934 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still read double density in ordinary drives, but you barely find any < 1506980940 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen one such floppy < 1506980946 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it at least exists < 1506981205 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506981252 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wanted video out of a "mobile" device, it gets even more complex. There's that thing called MHL (actually, MHL 1, 2, 3 and superMHL) which sort of has the "semantics" of HDMI, but usually use either MHL-USB (micro-USB-based) or a specific mode of USB Type-C. Competing with the SlimPort/MyDP, which is basically DisplayPort integrated with micro-USB. < 1506981270 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very hard to find which devices support what. < 1506981344 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the U in USB stands for "universal", so there's that. < 1506981369 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1506981413 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1506981430 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB is complicated < 1506981471 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of different physical connectors, lots of bulit-in hardware level protocols so you can charge stuff or have stuff charged without complicated electronics and bootstrap the digital layer < 1506981501 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are multiple digital protocols, the USB/USB2 on one set of wires, the USB3 on a second set of wires, bootstrapped by USB2 < 1506981601 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's nice that USB3 is fast, but just try to find a motherboard that has two USB3 root hubs built in, meaning that it can do full-speed USB3 conversations on two different ports at the same time, without having to buy a separate USB3 extension card that you plug in to PCI express (of which there are also like six different speeds) < 1506981923 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1506981925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub < 1506981925 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub < 1506981986 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds me of the whole thing with with M.2, which has a single connector that in theory can do PCIE 3.0 (x1 to x4), SATA 3.0 and USB 3.0, distinguished by various notches. < 1506982077 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at M.2 SSDs, and the people making them don't really advertise which one of them they do, but the PCIE variants tend to be a lot faster than the SATA ones. < 1506982155 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there's PCIE too < 1506982159 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the two usb3 plugs on the front are on the same USB bus, hrm. < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@2a02:c7d:485a:3300:1061:fc6d:8307:32a2 QUIT :Changing host < 1506982205 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1506982207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506982240 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1506982280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "lsusb -t" is really confusing, I think there's some sort of a thing where, if you plug USB 2 and 3 devices into a USB 3 hub, the two kinds of devices end up as separate trees even though physically it's just one tree. < 1506982313 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, dumping photos out of the phone became a lot faster when I changed monitors. < 1506982331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's an USB hub in there, and the new one does 3.0.) < 1506982537 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, those are physically two different trees. basically in an USB3 socket, there's some extra wires for USB3 data. the USB3 device sends data on those only, and uses the USB2 for power and bootstrapping power, if I understand correctly. < 1506982603 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some monitors have a USB hub built in. and my father has a monitor that didn't, but he permanently taped a small USB hub gadget onto it. instant monitor feature upgrade. < 1506982735 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drawback of that monitor is that if you turn off the monitor with the power switch, then suddenly you can't use the keyboard or mouse plugged into your computer through the monitor < 1506982753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the one with the instant upgrade, but the monitor with the hub originally built in < 1506983328 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: ah I see. The board has two USB host controllers besides the one in the X99 chipset... that's how it got 2xUSB 3.0 and 1xUSB 3.1 < 1506983354 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: two USB-3 controllers? because two USB-2 controllers is easy < 1506983387 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for USB-3 devices, one USB-3 controller usually gives more bandwidth than three USB-2 controllers < 1506983417 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fo course, after a while, the rest of the computer can't keep up with the data either < 1506983419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: http://sprunge.us/VcBB < 1506983426 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the CPU or GPU or disks < 1506983427 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this matches the MB documentation) < 1506983458 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know which one of EHCI and UHCI and XHCI and whatever mean what, but ok < 1506983491 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the xHCI is the USB 3.0 one, the other two in the chipset must be USB 2.0 < 1506983513 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1506983550 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I had not realized that this is special... nor have I ever exploited this so far. < 1506983568 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's not special < 1506983578 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that says you have one USB3 and two USB2 controllers < 1506983580 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's typical < 1506983603 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, there's another USB 3.0 host and a USB 3.1 one in addition to that. < 1506983610 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice < 1506983616 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how new is that motherboard? < 1506983639 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't EHCI mean USB 2? < 1506983675 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the VIA and the ASMedia things < 1506983730 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh. but some of those are probably different software views of the same controller < 1506983743 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your motherboard actually had two independent controllers, then you'd see two of the same type < 1506983762 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your OS probably just creates multiple different devices that view the same underlying hardware in different ways < 1506983768 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no it makes sense here. < 1506983774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly at different layers < 1506983793 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you have an extension card plugged in (such as via PCI express) that provides some of those? < 1506983821 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's odd to have three vendors, but the X99 part of the core chipset, and the two additional ones are different USB versions. < 1506983842 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just bought a fairly expensive gaming motherboard < 1506983881 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as for how to exploit that, get two external disk dockers, the ones in which you put a hard disk or solid state disk connected to the docking device with SATA or mini SATA or the other size of mini SATA, and the docking device is connected to your computer by USB 3 and to a power supply by a round power port < 1506983888 0 :Guest12180!?@? NICK :moony < 1506983899 0 :moony!~moony@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:c1::7da4 QUIT :Changing host < 1506983899 0 :moony!~moony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1506983921 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A46C74.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1506983936 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is it real gaming, or just labeled as "gaming"? hardware people label the most ridiculous non-gaming equipment as "gaming" for some reason, including motherboards with built-in hardware RAID and keyboards with hard clicky keys for use by programmers < 1506983993 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they add all sort of search terms so that if you search for either "gaming" in ebay or google or something, you find all their products, even the ones not for gaming < 1506984013 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/X99A-GAMING-7.html < 1506984037 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nice < 1506984038 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regarded it as a marketing label either way... < 1506984111 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gaming Device Port" < 1506984116 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, silly :) < 1506984205 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the Gaming Device Port has "3x more gold than regular connectors" and "10x longer lifetime when plugging/un-plugging" < 1506984220 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not clear if that refers to the PS2 port or an USB port < 1506984227 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even an audio port < 1506984242 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe all ports are gilded with gold < 1506984250 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what it means... it refers to 1xPS/2 and 2xUSB 2.0 < 1506984307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a total waste because those are the least moved plugs < 1506984338 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for a gamer who tries a new different type of fancy game controller every month < 1506984356 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't complain, board has been stable, it has 8 slots and on board sound is decent... those were basically the things I cared about. < 1506984366 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 memory slots even < 1506984379 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all those left out words are a sign, good night. < 1506984382 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even when he doesn't buy anything new, he has to switch between the ordinary hand-held controller, Guitar Hero Rock Band controller, and the steering wheel and foot pedals < 1506984392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 8 memory slots are nice < 1506984398 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good nigth < 1506984416 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice motherboard. not the one I'll buy, but nice. < 1506984532 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506984551 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1506984557 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:onion//Onions are the bullies of the dinner plate. They can make you cry. \ eventually//Eventually we'll have a better wisdom here. \ lystrosaur//The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic. \ ring//Addition, subtraction and multiplication have a certain ring to them. < 1506984558 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1506984559 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: \ gaspacho//You like Gaspacho and I like Gazpacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1506985084 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1506985246 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1506985268 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Scheduled Downtime. See You later, Gals and/or Pals. ☺ < 1506985286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506985631 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1506985698 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506985722 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1506986787 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1506987351 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♃ ｊｕｐｉｔｅｒ ♃ < 1506987355 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/914734726493102082 < 1506987408 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1855@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.85 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1506987767 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.236.157.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＨＥ＼＼ＯＲＥＮ＼。 < 1506988004 0 :\oren\_!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you excited for reusable rockets that can loft hundred-ton satellites? < 1506988029 0 :\oren\_!?@? NICK :\oren\ < 1506988555 0 :ACTPic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric