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00:10:21 <shachaf> sleffy: Mill talk on IPC in San Jose in a couple of weeks.
00:10:45 <sleffy> whoaaaaa
00:10:54 <sleffy> Probably can't make it but whoaaaaa
00:11:03 <shachaf> like, whoa, man
00:11:04 <shachaf> y'know?
00:11:43 <sleffy> whoaaaaaaa
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03:10:46 <zzo38> One golf course in this computer game is "Par 3 Golf Course", but actually it is some par 4 also, and the total par is 60
03:11:15 <zzo38> Do you like to go golfing in the rain?
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03:35:17 <zzo38> I tried loading one DOS game on my Linux computer and now the level editor is not work properly. It won't save properly, but the game itself is otherwise working OK.
03:35:25 <zzo38> Do you know what is wrong with it please?
03:36:53 <zzo38> It works fine on a real DOS computer.
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07:36:31 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SimPPLe]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53107&oldid=53106 * YourDeathIsComing * (+54)
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08:49:32 * Taneb is for some ungodly reason writing an ed-like text editor in Haskell
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09:53:50 <Capaverde> can I create a language called brainfuarrrk?
09:54:51 <Capaverde> it'd be an extensible brainf*ck
09:56:40 <Capaverde> the idea came to me now, because of a word filter, to add replace rules to brainfuck, which'd function similarly to functions or macros
09:57:28 <ais523> I think lots of languages along those lines have been created already
09:57:35 <ais523> you might want to look at the existing attempts for inspiration
09:57:46 <ais523> ofc that doesn't necessarily mean that you couldn't come up with something better
09:58:05 <Capaverde> ofc
09:58:12 <ais523> however, it doesn't take too much work to make replace rules Turing-complete on their own (see, e.g., /// or Thue)
09:58:27 <ais523> so maybe you don't even need the BF part of the language
09:59:29 <Capaverde> well, the brainfuck part is practical
09:59:48 <Taneb> I don't think brainfuck can really be described as "practical"
10:00:19 <ais523> the main impracticality in Thue is purely that it's bad at exchanging information
10:00:35 <Capaverde> maybe not practical to write in but practical to interpret
10:01:13 <ais523> add anything that makes it capable of doing that, i.e. moving to a language like Retina, and suddenly you have something that's very powerful (from the point of view of "it's easy to see how to write programs in this")
10:01:53 <ais523> also, it's surely easier to write a substitution language than a substitution + tape language?
10:02:32 <Capaverde> easyness doesn't bother me
10:03:00 <Capaverde> and it is still easy
10:03:43 <Capaverde> I wad thinking of BF arithmetic the other day
10:04:29 <Capaverde> when I came up with a new operator for repetition
10:04:49 <Capaverde> which would substitute the loop rules
10:05:19 <Capaverde> I have it written down
10:07:48 <Capaverde> thue looks great
10:08:42 <Capaverde> my substitutions would be on symbols though
10:09:16 <Capaverde> how is thue bad at exchanging information?
10:11:05 <ais523> it's very hard to write a Thue program that takes a string of consonants followed by a string of vowels, and returns the same string with the two halves swapped (vowels first then consonants), for example
10:11:16 <ais523> it's even harder to write a program that takes a string of letters and reverses it
10:11:37 <ais523> both are possible, but much more difficult than they really should be, you have to write a very large number of cases
10:15:16 <Capaverde> I see
10:15:57 <ais523> hmm… just thinking about this, a 2-dimensional Thue would be much better at this sort of thing
10:16:15 <ais523> because then you could move the data round each other rather than through
10:16:35 <ais523> anyway, bedtime
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10:25:10 <int-e> . o O ( I'd call the former tedious, not hard, since it's not difficult to implement a stable sort by swapping )
10:26:07 <int-e> the reversal otoh, hmm. that's not even possible without marking the end of the string somehow or using a new set of symbols for the result.
10:34:31 <Capaverde> it should be possible but tedious again
10:39:08 <Capaverde> not sure exactly how though, if there are no accumulators
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10:47:46 <int-e> something like this... oh too late. http://sprunge.us/HiBR
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14:33:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[XTW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53108&oldid=53100 * Zseri * (-131)
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17:45:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Essays]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53109 * Zseri * (+82) Created page with "* [[Essays/A_Defence_of_Brainfuck_Derivatives|A Defence of Brainfuck Derivatives]]"
18:09:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TEWNLSWAC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53110&oldid=53066 * Zseri * (+60)
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18:20:24 <rdococ> Concept: function whose local variable scope is defined at creation, rather than run, time. the scope would be per-thread, avoiding race conditions, but a function would be able to access local variables it modified in an earlier call.
18:21:33 <rdococ> With that would also be reified scopes themselves - scopes would be objects containing (1) an associative array mapping local variable names to their values, and (2) a reference to the scope they were initialized in, which ties in with the above concept and naturally givers rise to closures.
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18:59:51 <wob_jonas> I don't get why the norwegian.com website quotes me airplane tickets sometimes in USD and sometimes in GBP currency. I was logged in with the same account.
19:00:09 <wob_jonas> I don't care whether they give me one or the other, but changing confuses me.
19:12:47 <rdococ> heh
19:13:53 <wob_jonas> I was surprised when it quoted me with tickets that seemed to cost 70% the price it gave a few days ago. Until I read the currency.
19:14:13 <wob_jonas> The price didn't actually change significantly.
19:14:58 <wob_jonas> It doesn't matter what I pay in, because it's an online bank card payment, and the ban
19:15:06 <wob_jonas> k charges very cheap rates for currency conversion for that.
19:17:19 <wob_jonas> The rates are very high for direct money transfer in any foreign currency, so even if I can nominally have an account containing foreign currency at the bank cheaply, I can't actually send it to anyone or pay with it or pretty much anything useful.
19:17:43 <wob_jonas> But for just online payment with my HUF bank card with any currency they support, they convert cheaply.
19:36:18 <wob_jonas> Web design question. I want to add a spinner loading animation to my javascript website. I want it to be Coriolis-correct, so spin it counterclockwise on the north hemisphere, clockwise on the south hemisphere. What's the best way to autodetect the likely hemisphere of the user before he sets the option explicitly in his account?
19:37:12 <wob_jonas> I know I can autodetect the user's preferred language from the Accept-Language HTTP header, but I don't know if there's a HTTP header or some javascript query for the user's hemisphere.
19:37:54 <wob_jonas> I don't need his full geographical location, and I understand that that would be more personal information that most of my users would be willing to share.
19:49:40 <zzo38> Make up a HTTP header for it and then try to detect based on the IP address if nobody sends that header
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20:52:19 <rdococ> ayis!
20:52:25 <fizzie> wob_jonas: I think your average web developer would use an existing geolocation system and then just round to hemisphere, plus provide a setting somewhere for overriding it for the inevitable misclassifications.
20:53:01 <wob_jonas> fizzie: I don't care what average web developers do.
20:53:03 <wob_jonas> But ok.
20:56:27 <fizzie> One of the commercial IP-based geolocation service providers has a "lite" version under CC BY-SA, I know that much.
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21:21:05 <wob_jonas> Stupid top-posters repeating the whole email recursively rather than just the relevant bits. And the google mail interface actually encourages that stupid habit.
21:22:10 <ais523> wob_jonas: so does Outlook
21:22:25 <ais523> which I think is probably more or less singlehandedly responsible for encouraging that sort of posting style
21:23:17 <zzo38> I use Heirlom-Mailx myself, which also repeats the entire message but the reply message is on the bottom.
21:24:52 <wob_jonas> ais523: outlook doesn't encourage it as much as google mail. google mail actively hides quoted lines and sigs by default, both when composing a mail and when reading a mail, in the latter case agressively by looking up each line in the thread, which often has false positives.
21:25:14 <wob_jonas> I don't care if the reply is above or below the new content, that's mostly irrelevant.
21:25:35 <wob_jonas> Repeating the entire message is fine, because I like deleting stuff, so repeating everything and then deleting most of it is more fun than copying just some lines.
21:26:24 <wob_jonas> I mean, I even thought of an eso feature in a text editor where the only copy-paste feature is duplicating the whole contents of the buffer or appending a copy of a file to after a buffer, and then you just delete the range you don't need.
21:27:27 <wob_jonas> This would have to be supported by a feature where if you duplicate the buffer, the marks get corresponding marks created in the copy, and you can jump to either the original or the copy version of a mark easily as you wish.
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21:33:35 <zzo38> Does vim have the ability to copy marks from one buffer to another one? Does it have the ability to save marks to a file or load them from a file or pipe?
21:34:04 <ais523> zzo38: I'm not sure if it has a built-in command for doing that, but I think its scripting language is powerful enough that you could write a command to do that
21:34:28 <wob_jonas> zzo38: I don't really know. I don't know much about advanced vim.
21:34:43 <wob_jonas> There's a vim channel on freenode, you could try to ask there.
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22:21:38 <wob_jonas> Yay! I'm helping someone on the internet in something I know nothing about but could track down info with some internet searches. And it's a person who could help me in my previous stupid queries. The internet works!
22:26:13 <J_Arcane> http://vm01.unsoft.hu/~np/basic/latest/ptsvubas.cc
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23:14:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Charli9 * New user account
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23:19:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53111&oldid=53104 * Charli9 * (+181) Introduced myself
23:19:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Glass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53112&oldid=41876 * Charli9 * (+80) Added link to WIP compiler
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