< 1503619215 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just leave. I always seem to be worthless where-ever I go, and every time I try to change that, it fails. Why am I still alive, again? < 1503619217 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1503619265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1503619328 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think rdococ is worthless, but I don't enjoy interacting with them. < 1503619439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do? < 1503620407 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sausage < 1503620408 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sausage? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1503620606 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Sausage is the ground remains of a pig after the valuable parts (meat, liver) and the part that will form sausage skin are removed. < 1503620609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'sausage': Sausage is the ground remains of a pig after the valuable parts (meat, liver) and the part that will form sausage skin are removed. < 1503621143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1503621965 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503622094 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503622856 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1503623228 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503623278 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1503623331 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503623376 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1503623532 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503623857 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503624042 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503624507 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1503624532 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503624611 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Did you play the Magnet game? <-- i'm on Pearl now (slowly cycling alphabetically) < 1503624844 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game is that? < 1503626338 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-79-28.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1503626409 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1503626413 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1503626413 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 22h 21m 5s ago: to /quit CHICKEN OF THE WOODS < 1503626415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:vwwwl//Vwwwls wrw w swgn wf wnswffwcwwnt wwsdwm. \ precession//Precession is the opposite of succession. It is the joy of children and the curse of first year physics students. \ blsqbot//blsqbot is the owner of the bot 'mroman'. \ wegian//A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) < 1503626428 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1503626429 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2: and the Glas (from Hexham). There's also the hypothetical Gal, which hasn't been observed yet so we're not sure where it's from. \ or//Or is an Intercal unary operator. < 1503626705 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all my days I have never had the chance to mess with ruby. looks like I get to now. < 1503626732 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: uh why? < 1503626740 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: work. < 1503626783 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imellode! what's your opinion on ruby so far? < 1503626800 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :have never touched it before. looks nice. going to be pairing it with Sinatra. < 1503626805 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helløœirjan, wobonsoir_jonas. < 1503626820 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinatra is that ultra-lightweight Web framework? < 1503626826 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1503626900 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1503626931 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: from tatham's puzzle collection < 1503626932 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1503626944 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were previously working with Python and Flask, but we figured we'd have a go at a similar framework in a similar language to compare the two. < 1503626985 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503627032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heboilloy < 1503627075 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: then you should try Java and Spark! < 1503627094 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the hell did that take 100% of my CPU. < 1503627106 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just... documentation. o_o < 1503627108 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, the magnets i play. no idea if that's what shachaf was referring to. < 1503627125 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: everything is normal and sane. < 1503627128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :docpumentation. < 1503627137 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to confuse. < 1503627151 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *THWACKS* oerjan. 0.59 FP. < 1503627154 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: java and sane.. two words I haven't seen together in a long time. :P < 1503627172 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expecte that. < 1503627174 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+d < 1503627193 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write sane Java any time. it even comes with lambdas*! < 1503627202 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does python and ruby. :P < 1503627227 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry. I teach so I'll be doing plenty of java on the 18th. < 1503627442 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah that's even worse < 1503627456 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will you be teaching with java? < 1503627500 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a transfer course to a state university. < 1503627503 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :design patterns, SOLID principles, unit tests... < 1503627511 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :introductory java. < 1503627526 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's EVEN worse. < 1503627531 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1503627540 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. they walk away with some intuition. < 1503627563 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you sneakily teach good stuff, not only the curriculum? < 1503627564 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1503627580 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. that's kind of my thing. :P < 1503627597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when are you going to play The Witness hth < 1503627687 0 :boily_!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503627755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably never. < 1503627793 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503627835 0 :boily_!?@? NICK :boily < 1503628063 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of it as a tatham puzzle game hth < 1503628412 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: WOOD CHICKEN < 1503628789 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:JWinslow2314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52935&oldid=37537 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (-283) 10Replaced content with "Heya." < 1503630042 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 QUIT :Quit: See ya! o/ < 1503630489 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell rdococ Even then, with unbounded cells... <-- see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function#Reduction_to_3-cell_brainfuck < 1503630489 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1503630681 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1503630697 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell rdococ That balances the loops, for the top I guess you need an extra << at the end. < 1503630697 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1503631445 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503631489 0 :danieljabailey!~danieljab@cpc75709-york6-2-0-cust725.7-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503631730 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503631747 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may take a while for him to read that < 1503631888 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk JOIN :#esoteric < 1503631911 0 :Bowserinator!?@? NICK :Guest35524 < 1503632375 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-80-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503633550 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1503633793 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18aa@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.170 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1503633862 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503634827 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503636670 0 :Guest35524!?@? NICK :Bowserinator < 1503636671 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@bowserinator.tk QUIT :Changing host < 1503636671 0 :Bowserinator!~Bowser@unaffiliated/bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1503637018 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-80-37.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503637122 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1503638646 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I uh. I see why people like ruby. o_o < 1503638797 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1503639845 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503640835 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503641156 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503642167 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503642321 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503643325 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is like 150% syntax sugar < 1503643592 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll happily rot my fingers off with it. < 1503644763 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1503645447 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503647999 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503650020 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1503650341 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1503650353 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you here? < 1503650927 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503651211 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1503651229 0 :kurolox!~kurolox@236.red-176-83-11.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503651243 0 :kurolox!~kurolox@236.red-176-83-11.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I had to change the computer < 1503651255 0 :kurolox!~kurolox@236.red-176-83-11.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you here, fizzie? < 1503651900 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1503652141 0 :kurolox!~kurolox@236.red-176-83-11.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1503653577 0 :stalker!bcd8fa99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.216.250.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503653588 0 :stalker!bcd8fa99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.216.250.153 QUIT :Client Quit < 1503654055 0 :silly`!~silly@ip98-178-171-213.tu.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503654192 0 :silly`!~silly@ip98-178-171-213.tu.ok.cox.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1503654232 0 :silly`!~silly@ip98-178-171-213.tu.ok.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503654243 0 :silly`!~silly@ip98-178-171-213.tu.ok.cox.net PART #esoteric : < 1503655927 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503656123 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1503656178 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503656304 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1503661750 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503661991 0 :Antoxyde!~Antoxyde@AAnnecy-654-1-79-28.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1503661998 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503666001 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:696a:f3e9:4ac7:a6c7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503666845 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:9dd9:ac17:1bde:28d8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503667945 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503667965 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667966 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667966 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667966 0 :shikhin!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667966 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667966 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1503667978 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1503667978 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1503667980 0 :digitalcold!~redacted@192.73.232.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503667986 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1503668007 0 :shikhin!shikhin@heddw.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1503668029 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so this might not be the right channel, but have you ever noticed how fucking rare it is for anyone to copyright license anything in such a way that it's free to distribute only in the future, not right now? < 1503668031 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest68623 < 1503668065 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people complain about how copyright terms are too long and how people almost always get the most income from copyright on anything in the first few years < 1503668122 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet everybody either simply releases something under a free license right now, or (rarely) releases something they did in the past under a free license as an afterthought, or never releases the work under a free license. < 1503668176 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever seen ONE case when someone declared that a work will be public domain in the future but isn't now, and in that case it was already released under a no-derivatives free license and the future time was their death, not just a few years later < 1503668182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so strange < 1503668189 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some legal difficulty in a timed release? < 1503668210 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a psychological difficulty? < 1503668346 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in cases of "we want to retain copyright for now but will release it freely later", it's usually accomplished by just keeping it proprietary until the point where it'll be released freely < 1503668360 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then licensing it under a free-immediately license at that point < 1503668383 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more flexible in that the copyright holder doesn't have to commit to a specific date or time ahead-of-time < 1503668437 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess licensing it under a "these terms apply after $date" condition doesn't really come to mind to people, and also since it hasn't really been done much I guess there's little in way of legal precedent too? < 1503668468 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to just releasing it under MIT or GPL or whatever at that future date instead < 1503668582 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it might be more flexible for a copyright holder but less convenient for everyone else < 1503668607 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I know something will be released from copyright later, I can already start working on derivative versions that I'll release at that time < 1503668638 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes (say for software that has an immediate use) I might even buy that thing now more (unlike in the case of a fiction book, when I might just wait) < 1503668646 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but since it's up to the copyright holder to license it, I guess the flexibility for the copyright holder trumps that of others :p < 1503668668 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this already happens for expiring copyrights (for books of course, there's no software with an expired copyright in most places of the world yet) < 1503668673 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1503668728 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me a bit of how frictional games said they'd release the source code to Penumbra if the Humble Indie Bundle (the first one) exceeded some value in payment < 1503668735 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and did so once it did) < 1503668743 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the topic of timed releases in general < 1503668753 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I hadn't heard of that < 1503668774 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically they sell a public license in a mass way < 1503669022 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much < 1503669033 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you got the binary form of the game either way < 1503669045 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assets weren't included in the source release < 1503669299 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by assets? < 1503669485 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They released the source code under a permissive license (I think MIT or something) after they met that criteria in purchases, but that doesn't cover art, music, models, maps, etc < 1503669492 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather just the code/engine itself < 1503669518 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1503669964 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503670220 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1503670833 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503671094 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:9dd9:ac17:1bde:28d8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1503671777 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:696a:f3e9:4ac7:a6c7 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1503674262 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:9020:28e7:10ab:9dd5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503674318 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1503674515 0 :wob_jonas!b03f18e6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.230 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1503678049 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1503679024 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1503679266 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1503679285 0 :TieSoul!~TieSoul@2a02:a448:4a62:1:9020:28e7:10ab:9dd5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1503680017 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98627.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503680041 0 :hppavilion[0]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503680930 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1503684409 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503684687 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-71-242-163.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503684872 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503684926 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that programming language where program source code was in the form of everyday physical objects stacked into various towers, and so an interpreter is be very hard to write because it would need lots of recognition capabilities? < 1503685015 0 :ATMunn!~ATMunn@unaffiliated/atmunn26 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure, but that sounds really cool < 1503685498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1503686096 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1503686196 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1503688456 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503690159 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503690346 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1503691185 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1503691721 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1503691970 0 :first_user!~first_use@217.72.212.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1503691980 0 :first_user!~first_use@217.72.212.56 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1503692934 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1503695048 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503695465 0 :Guest68623!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1503695494 0 :shikhin!?@? NICK :Guest12038 < 1503695523 0 :Guest12038!?@? NICK :shikhin_ < 1503695530 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@heddw.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1503695530 0 :shikhin_!shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1503695543 0 :shikhin_!?@? NICK :shikhin < 1503696302 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503697957 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1503698541 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahaha! This is one of those cases when I can laugh at the more developed countries for thinking they are so cool when here in Hungary we've invented the same thing ages ago. < 1503698583 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last time I felt this was in 2012, when London announced that you can now use mobile phones in their tube network, while we've had mobile coverage in the metro lines for years by that time. < 1503698622 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time the Americans think they are cool for traveling to view a total solar eclipse, when we've already organized a total solar eclipse in 1999 with similar great tourist hype. I've seen it myself. < 1503698734 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU HIPCHAT YOU INCOMPETENTLY DESIGNED SHITBOX < 1503698746 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch what fucking happens if you copypaste a string from hipchat < 1503698752 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*       soft  memlock   unlimited < 1503698779 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOSE ARE NOT THE RIGHT KIND OF SPACES < 1503698812 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1503698875 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that double-utf-8? < 1503698967 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're U+2002 EN SPACE < 1503698997 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: right, but shown as double-utf-8 < 1503699018 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... think so? < 1503699043 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a with hat in the line you pasted here < 1503699066 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get when you take an en-space encoded as utf-8 and show it as cp1252 or similar instead < 1503699132 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not even well-formed utf-8? FUCK < 1503699160 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*       soft  memlock   unlimited < 1503699199 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIPCHAT IS FUCKING SHIT < 1503699453 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what? it's probably well-formed utf-8 when they send it to you, they just don't tell you it's utf-8. that, or they already double-utf-8 encode it in their servers, but that's unlikely. < 1503699463 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it got messed up when you pasted it here or something < 1503699500 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno really < 1503701187 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat or die. < 1503701262 0 :kurolox!~Kurolox@81.red-88-4-114.dynamicip.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1503701693 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1876@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.24.118 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1503701797 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi! < 1503703643 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1503704202 0 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1503705181 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1503705440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric