< 1499299200 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd="${1-quote}"; \`^ 5 "$cmd" < 1499299211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`^ < 1499299211 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport < 1499299251 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should exploit the proletariat to become rich? < 1499299258 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I already doing that? < 1499299259 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1499299259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl < 1499299326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, but probably far too long < 1499299337 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd bin/`//s,[$]1,$cmd,;1acmd="${1-quote}" < 1499299337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roswbud! < 1499299342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/`//s,[$]1,$cmd,;1acmd="${1-quote}" < 1499299344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/`//#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${1-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl < 1499299354 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo hi < 1499299355 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1499299356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` < 1499299357 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :522) what is nice about a pebble is that you can process it with your brain as a number by simply looking at it < 1499299368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1499299369 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1087) im not a doctor when it comes to muscles < 1499299393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WRONG WAY tdnh < 1499299416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd `1//s,almost ,, < 1499299418 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`1//`1 is equivalent to `` , except that it splits the output into irc-sized pieces. The next pieces can be viewed with `spam. See also `2. Confusingly the obvious generalization of `4. < 1499299436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISAGREEMENT < 1499299528 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2 < 1499299529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/1: < 1499299540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1499299540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :``^ 2 < 1499299541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:909) Bike: the best acid? where is it? < 1499299541 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: they say that you can't break an amulet of yendor is a smart move. < 1499299541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: /hackenv/bin/`^ n cmd < 1499299693 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1499299703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/`^ < 1499299703 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[[ $# == 2 ]] || { echo "Usage: $0 n cmd" >&2; exit 2; }; for ((i=0; i < $1; i++)); do \` "$2"; done | sport < 1499299726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1499299762 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1499299784 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo fungot < 1499299784 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they say that a gold doubloon is extremely vain. < 1499299785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1499299785 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: they say that it's not what you eat. being required to do it, but, trusting his own authority. those children, because i knew this time i meant to scare, but of adjudicating in the _atiku_ festival in babylon, uruk and other quiet games of the fairies rather nasty people to make sense. < 1499299794 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot seems to no longer be ignoring HackEgo < 1499299794 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you really can't. < 1499299840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499299840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1499299847 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "functor" < 1499299848 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1499299849 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : functor < 1499299851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "fungot" < 1499299851 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: playing billiards pays when you cross it. < 1499299853 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot < 1499299853 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: booksellers never read scrolls; they might not have fiery breath or deadly stings, but none looked aside from the fact that all his soldiers gnashed their teeth, creating a tremendous vice-like bite... piranhas are attracted to any other of the damned to hell. < 1499299870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test ^style irc < 1499299870 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stored. < 1499299871 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANARCHY < 1499299873 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499299873 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1499299873 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1499299982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1499299982 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf < 1499300005 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just testing if any other data was wiped out) < 1499300026 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^botsnack < 1499300026 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nom nom nom! < 1499300083 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Test)S < 1499300083 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test < 1499300089 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300089 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300089 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1499300090 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1499300118 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test ^ul (?where test)S < 1499300118 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1499300120 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1499300170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (`1)S < 1499300170 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1 < 1499300171 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:629) myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die. < 1499300175 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1499300185 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole thing is a shambles < 1499300338 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300338 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300338 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300339 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300339 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300339 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300340 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300340 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300342 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (?where test)S < 1499300342 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1499300344 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PART #esoteric : < 1499300349 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1499300441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test /me tests < 1499300441 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1499300524 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499300774 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good point. < 1499300815 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or lambdabot < 1499300817 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it should. < 1499300838 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "fungot" < 1499300838 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( lambda ( ignored) fnord) < 1499300840 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot < 1499300853 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had completely forgotten the ignore list isn't persisted automatically. < 1499300876 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1499300877 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally I reset it when I tell it to join the channel, but after switching to the bouncer thing I don't need to do that after restarting it. < 1499300891 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably just save it in the state file too. < 1499301171 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499302221 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499303007 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@137.164.121.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499305135 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499305229 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499305236 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused (as I often am) < 1499305248 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fungot lambdabot now? < 1499305248 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: where are you arcfide? < 1499305289 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something bot loopy happened? < 1499305316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something loopy. < 1499305347 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: fungot's bot ignore list had accidentally got cleared. < 1499305347 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thx for link to fnord?" < 1499305354 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1499305387 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1499305393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see explanation in logs. < 1499305398 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how easy is it to make updates to fungot? < 1499305399 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: godspeed you black emperor! the dead flag blues? trying to find out < 1499305416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, can you remember what all the code does and where you'd need to change to change something < 1499305467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1499305467 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1499305491 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_: fungot shares your taste in music hth < 1499305491 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by the way? < 1499305496 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1499305496 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1499305522 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who is Macron? < 1499305523 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i should like to congratulate mr telkämper. on development issues he is one of the priorities of health, security and defence policy, which is that when the coal and steel treaty for instance that by the end of the colonial and post-colonial period, has become the basis for our sovereignty. common fisheries policy. < 1499305549 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow utf8 fail < 1499305552 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mr telkämper is his secretary < 1499305555 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :é < 1499305557 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even on my end < 1499305580 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: you don't have fallback charset? < 1499305607 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: guess not? < 1499305679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: i have recode_fallback = cp1252 as someone suggested on channel < 1499305727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what proportion of non-UTF-8 text that contains non-ASCII characters happens to be valid UTF-8? < 1499305785 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean that contains bytes > 127? < 1499305856 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's your sampling methodology? < 1499305870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mojibake < 1499305872 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ÌÌÌ°_ÌÌ̦̻ͭͭͬÌÍÌÌÍ¡_ͧÍÌÍÌ­_ÍÍÍͧÍÌÌ̯Í̬̬̦̯_ÌÌÌͨÌÌ´Í < 1499305874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: I'm not sure < 1499305921 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one is answering my question about computable reals tdnh < 1499305927 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure the answer is yes < 1499305932 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've given up on Stack Exchange < 1499305945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incentives are all in favour of giving fast, incomplete answers to easy questions < 1499305964 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which incentives? < 1499305969 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet points? < 1499305990 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although stack exchange places huge emphasis on them < 1499306005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not just Internet points but also votes and green checkmarks and things. < 1499306017 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they give you visibility too < 1499306024 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The respect and adoration of friends, colleagues, and strangers. < 1499306034 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta keep churning out those answers. < 1499306037 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just pay 50 reputation to put a question onto a separate list to increase the chance that people see it, so you can convert internet points /into/ visibility < 1499306054 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you fix Stack Exchange? < 1499306087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put a lot of thought into that but haven't come to firm conclusions < 1499306122 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some obvious bugs that should just be fixed, like the way that if you make a short post (that gets caught in the low-quality posts filter), then you or anyone else edits it to make it better, it gets an unremovable downvote < 1499306123 0 :__kerbal___!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499306131 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know someone whose strategy was to answer as quick as possible < 1499306135 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :then refine with a series of edits < 1499306139 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the importance of being first < 1499306143 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: you have to do that on some sites < 1499306157 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1499306160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a question was new I got into the habit of posting the answer without explanation first < 1499306163 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then editing the explanation in afterwards < 1499306163 0 :__kerbal___!?@? NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499306206 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :posting early is so important that even if the answer is wrong, it's likely to get more votes than a correct answer posted later, unless the question becomes very popular < 1499306219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception: the answer does have to at least /look/ right, even if it isn't actually < 1499306318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one good fix would be to age upvotes, making it so that if a lot of answers get upvoted /over/ an answer (i.e. when both are posted), its score goes down < 1499306326 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think another good fix would be to ban voting when posts are sorted by votes < 1499306364 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499306389 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also allow the OP of a question to downvote on it for free, regardless of their rep count, as a quick way of discouraging incorrect answers < 1499306403 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most OPs can't actually downvote on their own post due to having <125 rep) < 1499306451 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably get rid of badges altogether, as they do more harm than good IMO < 1499306559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be reasonable to get rid of the new questions queue altogether (in preference to the active questions queue), increasing the chance that late answers get seen < 1499306711 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs his fanatic badges
< 1499306832 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that occasionally irritates me on PPCG is that in very active periods, the active tab gets overfilled while i'm sleeping or out of the house. < 1499306858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(likelihood also depends on my current sleeping cycle) < 1499306937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's small enough that losing information about new changes _shouldn't_ be necessary. < 1499307070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't check every question, mind you.) < 1499307111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot network questions is also probably broken, although whether it's broken or not depends rather on what its intended purpose is, which is unclear < 1499307126 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increasing engagement? < 1499307131 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tends to lower the quality of the sites it links to by rewarding trivial posts < 1499307164 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suffers badly from positive feedback (most of the possible interactions for a 101-reputation user with a post increase its HNQ score) < 1499307184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds of some subreddits that explicitly asked _not_ to be on the reddit front page. < 1499307195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for essentially the same reason. < 1499307236 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+me < 1499307265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grammar is leaving ... i can feel it ... < 1499307278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to be on the reddit front page < 1499307282 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the only interaction I can think of with a post that's possible at 101 reputation and can discourage a post from HNQ listing is flagging, and even then, only if a moderator decides to delete the post < 1499307304 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: most communities, forums, etc. benefit from having more good users, that requires the potential good users to be aware of them < 1499307353 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "going" < 1499307358 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/130032 < 1499307361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this. < 1499307367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Actually use a nonstandard encoding? < 1499307393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, most golfing languages do because few standard encodings have 256 distinct printable characters for the 256 octets < 1499307399 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1499307407 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses CP437. < 1499307408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1499307442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although all those characters are in the extended-CP437 variant which has a printable glyph over each control code too < 1499307532 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone should make a language where ALL the assigned characters in UTF-8 do something... 2,164,864 commands, here we come! < 1499307552 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that every unicode character is assigned eventually) < 1499307559 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone tried that on Esolang, but they probably shouldn't have started by making blank pages for each Unicode range < 1499307570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing all the characters and not-yet-assigned for the resulting assignment < 1499307593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : admittedly, I do say things like ~h=∋ᵐ\cᵐ= in conversation occasionally <-- how do you pronounce it twh < 1499307595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a golfing point of view, though, you don't actually want a very large command set because more commands means more bytes to represent each command < 1499307602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, if you do, it should be Huffman coding < 1499307602 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1499307608 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most of my conversations are done typed < 1499307611 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, they can be extremely specific < 1499307626 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so often I don't know how a specific word and/or program is pronounced < 1499307679 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd probably expand command mnemonics into a description, so "unhead equal element each transpose concat each equal" < 1499307690 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "increment a by 1, print the value at b + 4, input 5 chars" command could be ޘ < 1499307730 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a and b and b + 4 are on a stack < 1499307753 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I guess b + 4 would be 5 elements down from a) < 1499307778 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's not *too* bad. I remember the big blocks, and there's even a few comments. It's not written in a particularly compact way, and the larger structures make functional sense. < 1499307805 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you basically have to just decode a dozen-or-so-lines subprogram in order to change things. < 1499307820 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a link to the esolang? < 1499307824 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's a list at the bottom as to what things are stored where in the fungespace. < 1499307844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though that documentation might not quite be up to date.) < 1499307869 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: https://esolangs.org/wiki/UniCode is at least one of them; it's possible it's been attempted more than once though < 1499307929 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's the one that annoyed ehird, anyway. < 1499307949 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did some of the commands get removed? < 1499308076 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: not sure what you mean by "assigned character in UTF-8", since the number of Unicode scalar values is only 1,112,064. < 1499308087 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: i think it was mostly just the heaps of unassigned characters < 1499308152 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: I'm not very familiar with Unicode, so I just pulled that number off of Google without doing enough research, admittedly < 1499308212 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must have come from this answer... https://stackoverflow.com/a/38488358/1108505 < 1499308221 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maximum Unicode codepoint is 1114111, which is a very easy number to remember < 1499308222 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> maxBound :: Char < 1499308224 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1499308238 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but many numbers in the 0..1114111 range aren't assigned, and some are officially never going to be assigned < 1499308244 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of code points which UTF-8 *actually* supports is 1,112,064; they're exactly the Unicode scalar values. < 1499308247 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It diެd! < 1499308261 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "these characters will never be assigned" values are sometimes not included in the total < 1499308262 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was off < 1499308268 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By a lot < 1499308296 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The total number of Unicode code points is 1,114,112, and every Unicode code point has an "obvious" UTF-8 encoding, but 2,048 of them are prohibited. < 1499308296 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strangely, IIRC 1114111 itself is one of them, not 100% sure on that though) < 1499308318 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: wait, /just/ surrogates? < 1499308322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about things like the byte-flipped BOM? < 1499308332 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is prohibited for an obvious reason :-D < 1499308335 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *pretty* sure that's legal to encode in UTF-8. < 1499308345 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a legal *character*, of course. < 1499308421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's legal, I don't see why the surrogates wouldn't be too < 1499308439 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme see if I can find the official word. < 1499308507 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mޫޫyޫ bޫaޫd < 1499308519 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining characters are fun! < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Unicode Standard supports three character encoding forms: UTF-32, UTF-16, and < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8. Each encoding form maps the < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode code points U+0000..U+D7FF and < 1499308533 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+E000..U+10FFFF to unique code unit sequences." < 1499308540 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, the whitespace. < 1499308574 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what /is/ that whitespace made of? < 1499308592 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What whitespace? < 1499308601 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see... < 1499308611 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode < 1499308612 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] < 1499308614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode [ | | ] < 1499308614 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005B LEFT SQUARE BRACKET] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+007C VERTICAL LINE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+007C VERTICAL LINE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+0020 SPACE] [U+005D RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET] < 1499308638 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ⓞⓚ < 1499308642 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it didn't really highlight like pairs of spaces, but I guess it is < 1499308684 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's the official word. All Unicode scalar values are legal for encoding, and nothing else is. < 1499308689 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499308699 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║ ║ < 1499308730 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499308901 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499308908 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║    ║ < 1499308914 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499308951 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm trying to implement mathematics in Lua. < 1499308953 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it. < 1499308968 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I'm writing the definition of a category. < 1499308996 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got stuff such as: < 1499308997 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric : add_eqn('_identity_domain', domain .. identity, object.id) < 1499309068 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499309073 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔══╗ < 1499309084 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I need practice < 1499309090 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means: "The axiom '_identity_domain' asserts that taking the domain of the identity morphism of an object is the same as performing the identity operation on that object." < 1499309097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: give a shout when you get around to inter-universal teichmüller theory twh < 1499309155 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: roger. < 1499309198 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I want to be able to read and write axioms such as this one pointfully. < 1499309210 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This axiom currently pretty-prints as: < 1499309211 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :_identity_domain : domain . identity = 1_object; < 1499309220 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd rather it pretty-print as, say: < 1499309235 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :_identity_domain : forall (x : object), domain(identity(x)) = x; < 1499309246 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╔════╗ < 1499309253 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║╔══╗║ < 1499309260 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║║╔╗║║ < 1499309269 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║║╚╝║║ < 1499309275 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :║╚══╝║ < 1499309282 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :╚════╝ < 1499309358 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION aims an arrow >---->
< 1499309367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TWANG* < 1499309513 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good afternoerjan. < 1499309519 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see my comment about quicksort? < 1499309536 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading about quicksort and as far as I can tell every single implementation of it is misguided? < 1499309655 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nyow, how am I going to implement the pointfulness thing. < 1499309675 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can start by implementing... expressions. < 1499309707 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :An expression has a context and blah blah blah blah blah. < 1499309884 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i hear it's not even O(n log n) < 1499309949 0 :Warrigal_!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I thought of a question once. < 1499309951 0 :Warrigal_!?@? NICK :t_swett < 1499309955 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought it was an interesting question. < 1499309967 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2071246/how-many-rounds-are-required-in-a-swiss-tournament-sorting-algorithm < 1499310025 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're not even O(n log n) hth < 1499310028 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're organizing a Swiss-style tournament with N players of a game. < 1499310034 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The game is a two-player game, and it results in one winner and one loser. The players are totally ordered by skill, and whenever two players play against each other, the more skilled player always wins. < 1499310039 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each tournament round, each player can play only one game. Going into the tournament, nothing is known about the relative skill levels of the players. The pairings for each round are not decided until the previous round has finished, so you can use the results from previous rounds when you're deciding how to pair the players up. You are not required to follow any traditional pairing rules. < 1499310043 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let { h = n; t = log } in hth < 1499310045 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your goal is to completely determine the ranking of all N players. What is Swiss(N), the number of rounds required in the worst case?" < 1499310124 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answerer here stated that "asking for the number of tournaments Swiss(n) is the same as asking for the span of an optimal parallel sorting network." < 1499310161 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1499310170 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's been discussed here before. < 1499310209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but you're saying it might be more flexible than a sorting network? < 1499310214 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1499310234 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any reason why this couldn't give, say, a 95% speed up in the limit as N goes to infinity. < 1499310239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem like you can get much out of that, but I don't know. < 1499310241 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I meant to say a 5% speed up. < 1499310250 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 95% speed up seems kind of extreme. < 1499310267 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should measure slowness, not speed. < 1499310270 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a better unit. < 1499310299 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you should figure out how to write quicksort for me. < 1499310371 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is passing the wrong argument: They pass 0,n-1 instead of 0,n < 1499310665 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2602:306:c58e:4fd8:3102:3a02:2f24:399d JOIN :#esoteric < 1499310677 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t_swett: you clearly need at least ceil(log_2(N)) to determine the winner, worst-case; so that gives a lower bound < 1499310688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I don't think it's always possible to determine the places in between that quickly < 1499310797 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, I calculated that at least log2(N!)/⌊N/2⌋ rounds are required. < 1499310831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, because otherwise there are fewer unique resultsets than there are orders < 1499310876 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Ambiguous type variable ‘b0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M869356298349... < 1499310878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : prevents the constraint ‘(Show b0)’ from being solved. < 1499310887 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Double] < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • No instance for (Integral Double) < 1499310889 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ‘swisslower’ < 1499310906 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t log < 1499310907 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = log (product [1..fromIntegral n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Double] < 1499310908 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1499310909 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,2.584962500721156,2.2924812503605785,3.4534452978042594,3.1639510321098... < 1499310937 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ceil < 1499310938 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Variable not in scope: ceil < 1499310966 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for N = 2, 3, 4, we get lower bounds of 1, 3, 3, which I found are exact. < 1499310980 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For N = 5 and 6, we get lower bounds of 4 and 4. < 1499311020 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ceiling < 1499311021 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral b, RealFrac a) => a -> b < 1499311045 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let swisslower n = ceiling (log (product [1..fromIntegral n]) / log 2 / fromIntegral (div n 2)) in map swisslower [2..] :: [Int] < 1499311047 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,3,4,4,5,4,5,5,6,5,6,6,6,6,7,6,7,7,7,7,7,7,7,7,8,7,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,9... < 1499311060 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the dismonotonies, but they make sense < 1499311071 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're kind of cute. < 1499311093 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it actually possible that Swiss isn't monotonic? < 1499311094 0 :__kerbal__!683239a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.50.57.160 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499311100 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the /actual/ value must be monotonic < 1499311106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine adding a dummy player who loses every game < 1499311108 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then removing them at the end < 1499311119 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, right. < 1499311138 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you could add a dummy player, but I wasn't immediately sure how that would actually affect stuff. < 1499311167 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is that right? < 1499311173 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That any strategy that works for 6 players also works for 5 players? < 1499311178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1499311179 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah. < 1499311196 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever we're supposed to pit someone against the dummy player, we instead just give that person a bye and assume that they won. < 1499311201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This _ is very confusing. < 1499311221 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in fact, possible to have a player who's worse than everyone else, so we're not losing anything here or whatever. < 1499311223 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes you look like another person who has _ in their nick in the same place. < 1499311249 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no such person. < 1499311259 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :preusmably b_jonas is the other person < 1499311264 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose nick has a similar shape < 1499311266 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, c_wraith < 1499311277 0 :t_swett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. 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NICK :__kerbal__ < 1499345955 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1499346486 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╔════ ╔════ ╔════╗ ═══╦═══ ╔════ ╔════╗ ═══╦═══ ╔════ < 1499346491 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :══╬══╬══ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ < 1499346497 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╠════ ╚═══╗ ║ ║ ║ ╠════ ╠═╦══╝ ║ ║ < 1499346502 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :══╬══╬══ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ║ ╚═╗ ║ ║ < 1499346507 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ║ ║ ╚════ ════╝ ╚════╝ ║ ╚════ ║ ╚═ ═══╩═══ ╚════ < 1499346702 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1499346810 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to know why int-e is disgusted
< 1499347020 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 5 lines are spam, especially when they become 10: http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ugh.png < 1499347201 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1499347820 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499349367 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499349627 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499350087 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh, the wiki seems to be down. < 1499350105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the positive side, at least this time I got an alert email about it. < 1499350194 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1499350197 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the negative side, it's not answering to SSH and I don't have access to the CaC control panels, so it's not like there's anything I can do, except mention Gregor by name in case he can poke at it. < 1499350231 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Do not invoke the name of Gregor in vain. ) < 1499350237 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499350280 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Okay, next time I should check whether HackEgo is present before trying `ping. ) < 1499350594 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, the 5 spam libes look horrible here < 1499351568 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499351587 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499351665 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Changing host < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@unaffiliated/--kerbal--/x-6354342 QUIT :Changing host < 1499351678 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499351692 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that I should use a pastebin the next time I have an overwhelming urge to create character art < 1499352207 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353133 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353507 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1499353566 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499353578 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.87 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499354648 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499354989 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499355984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499356891 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1499357651 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: thunderstorm < 1499357868 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499358610 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499358874 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1499359398 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359425 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359593 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359649 0 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499359945 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-188-109-011-205.188.109.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362088 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499362363 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362481 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@134.58.253.56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499362544 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499362769 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the fog rolls in from the bog, there are frogs and logs in prague < 1499362805 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the logs light enough to be carried by the fog? < 1499362813 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubious < 1499362865 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499362896 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno I was thinking there should be a children's book that teaches kids european jografy < 1499362980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently even most adults don't know where prague is < 1499363275 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499363608 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499363749 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364031 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1499364040 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364049 0 :sdhand!~sam@2001:41c8:51:10d:: QUIT :Changing host < 1499364049 0 :sdhand!~sam@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1499364834 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365053 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365096 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make an esoteric language, it's ok if I write code that is less efficient but shows off the abstraction capabilities of the programming language better, right? < 1499365182 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, I want to implement arithmetic in the core language (to show that it's possible, even though it would be better to add fast arithmetic functions in the interpreter itself). The best way would be by various unrolled fixed size loops with large repetitive tables, < 1499365201 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead I'll try to write short human-readable code that does arithmetic much slower. < 1499365219 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should just note that in comments/. < 1499365221 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1499365448 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:b9ea:6fbd:2331:f784 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499365493 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will have to implement integer division too < 1499366559 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499367192 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's like "The evolution of a Haskell programmer" < 1499367399 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I have a suspicion that when the "disconnection" happens I can send but not receive" => that happens to me too < 1499367505 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to happen to lambdabot too... now it's sending regular ping messages to detect the situation. < 1499367588 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :local or remote ping? < 1499367608 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sorry, stupid question < 1499367999 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1499368037 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499368042 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I'm not very good at living away from home (even if it's just a holiday in a hotel) / and have lived in the same house almost all my life" => me neither. I just spent two and a half weeks away, which < 1499368110 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :, which? < 1499368127 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quite a long time as these things go, but it was easy mode because I was visiting my brother and stayed in his house. I moved out from my parents one and a half years ago, so this is the third house I live in permanently (but I have spent a significant amount of time in my parent's summer cottage too). < 1499368144 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just typing slow < 1499368158 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're < 1499368168 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgiven ;-) < 1499368283 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" shachaf: moving is very difficult, especially when you have decade's worth of accumulated things" => indeed: a lot of my accumulated stuff (including books) is still in my parent's house. < 1499368479 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I moved out in easy mode: to the same city and into an apartment where my brother has previously lived and they have restored it really well so I can trust the apartment < 1499368790 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" what proportion of non-UTF-8 text that contains non-ASCII characters happens to be valid UTF-8?" - almost no text is accidentally valid utf-8 as far as I've seen, < 1499368825 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a certain text compression scheme whose compressed form is deliberately valid utf-8 < 1499368843 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and possibly non-ascii) < 1499368913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" the incentives are all in favour of giving fast, incomplete answers to easy questions" - sure, but that's a general problem that happens a lot outside of SE too < 1499368996 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1499369312 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" although all those characters are in the extended-CP437 variant which has a printable glyph over each control code too" => EXTENDED? that's the original version. cp437 is what the CGA and monochrome cards, the video cards always had all 256 characters in text mode, < 1499369381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure that ais523 logreads.
< 1499369383 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some printer control languages and some PC software use text formats that allow you to use only a subset, with teletype-like control codes (where at least carriage return is a control char) < 1499369458 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is that "is this valid UTF-8" is more-or-less a perfect heuristic for detecting UTF-8 text. < 1499369470 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike most other encoding schemes. < 1499369540 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it does fail for some stuff with only ascii bytes < 1499369543 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among what other encodings? < 1499369550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 did ask for stuff with non-ascii bytes < 1499369555 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, "is this valid UTF-8 and not ASCII". < 1499369557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for any other seven-bit encoding presumably. < 1499369578 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how's colorado twh < 1499369581 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's all 7 bit, then frankly you can just assume it's US-ASCII and *probably* be right. < 1499369584 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Quite nice. < 1499369617 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499369621 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know there are many, many other 7 bit charsets, but who actually *uses* them outside of closed environments?) < 1499369644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a non-US ASCII? < 1499369677 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-ASCII is the MIME preferred name, so that's what I use. < 1499369686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII silly question, get a silly ANSI < 1499369687 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it's called iso646 encodings < 1499369690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are non-US ASCII-like charsets. < 1499369695 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-646. < 1499369695 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1499369716 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US-ASCII is the ISO-646 US encoding. < 1499369751 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII also has some fancy name with an X and a number in it < 1499369768 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather a lot of countries have their own similar but not quite ASCII-compatible encodings. < 1499369811 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*These*, incidentally, are actually the origin for C trigraphs. < 1499369826 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The characters represented by trigraphs are not guaranteed to be invariant in ISO-646. < 1499369873 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that IBM's mainframes are the only actual users now, because IBM still *uses* charsets where they aren't guaranteed to exist, or can vary from charset to charset. < 1499369952 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although there's also the 7-bit SMS character set, which sort of looks like an iso-646 because the brackets are replaced, but it also puts printable characters to most of the control character codes < 1499369966 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they do say that if you run C stuff without the charset being a CP 1047 compatible one, stuff breaks. < 1499369972 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gets lots of use < 1499369979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CP 1047 < 1499370005 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s variants guarantee the ASCII set exists and is encoded identically. Those are used in the IBM mainframe POSIX environment, generally) < 1499370015 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but that's the very definition of a closed system. < 1499370044 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you will never need a heuristic to detect the SMS charset in use; it's marked in the packet. < 1499370170 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, facepalm. < 1499370204 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the options is "unspecified 8-bit charset". < 1499370208 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, GSM. < 1499370720 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks GSM < 1499370733 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1499370737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie!!! < 1499370787 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: See few hours back re the machine being down. < 1499370793 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1499370883 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took the name of Gregor in not-vain on channel already, though "idle: 11 days 10 hours 47 mins 19 secs" does not fill me with confidence. < 1499370890 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a challenge. Without looking at Knuth's TAOCP, using only secondary resources instead, try to find evidence that in the MIX computer, the CMPA and CMP1 instructions with field specification compares the selected field of rA or rI1 resp, rather than the entire rA or rI1 resp. < 1499370941 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've googled for this, and the various informal descriptions of MIX out there on the internet always omit this curious detail. This came up because I'll try to write an entry on the esowiki for MIX. < 1499371086 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499371325 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:397b:ee4f:37aa:be86 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499371485 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the box drawing I made earlier, but WITHOUT spamming the channel this time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25033876/ < 1499371524 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By box-drawing I mean box-drawing character drawing < 1499371913 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<\oren\> i dunno I was thinking there should be a children's book that teaches kids european jografy" => don't they do that in school? or do you mean to American kids or something? < 1499372096 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499372097 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminsds me of http://sergiu.turcanu.net/wp-content/uploads/america.gif < 1499372329 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the esowiki is down indeed < 1499372344 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Gregor Gregor < 1499372355 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499372359 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever is up with the server, I haven't the power to fix it right now. Kicking it did nothing. < 1499372372 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try pounding it with your fist. < 1499372383 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ouch. < 1499372386 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1499372392 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know who has the power to fix it? < 1499372394 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for trying anyway < 1499372405 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the most power to fix it of anybody who gives a shit ;) < 1499372418 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. anybody not CaC?) < 1499372427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still use CaC? < 1499372427 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even the web control panel for CaC is barely functioning, so I assume they're aware. < 1499372434 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info < 1499372437 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought someone in here had switched away from it. < 1499372457 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda crud, so... < 1499372468 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did, well, I canceled the toy CaC VM because it would continuously cost money. < 1499372472 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn crud < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "crud" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :crud < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: heavy wet snow that is unsuitable for skiing < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: any substance considered disgustingly foul or unpleasant < 1499372473 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [syn: {filth}, {crud}, {skank}] < 1499372474 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: an ill-defined bodily ailment; "he said he had the crud and < 1499372476 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : needed a doctor" < 1499372485 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't see the nautical metaphor. < 1499372594 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many of these VMs Gregor has... might be worth the money even with their lousy service, assuming the VMs run at all. (The fee, I understood, is per account, not per server) < 1499372600 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is CaC? < 1499372613 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? CaC < 1499372641 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cloudatacost.com/ ... oops, I mean http://www.cloudatcost.com/ (look at the former link though, it's a fun read) < 1499372680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why it's called "at cost" and then charges you a one-time fee. < 1499372703 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be frank, you could probably get a better experience hanging a Pi off a cable modem. < 1499372721 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, it's still SLIGHTLY worth it for me, but I have been slowly moving things away. < 1499372741 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that supposed to be the full discounted cost? < 1499372754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should move it all to Google Cloud. < 1499372762 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike fizzie you're permitted to use it. < 1499372763 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I always thought it was a pyramid scheme. < 1499372775 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Ponzi may be closer. But fraudulent anyway. < 1499372835 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Thanks < 1499372883 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they will give you a virtual server for a pittance? That sounds scammy < 1499372894 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick to learning Chinese characters is that it's easy to remember them if you invent several new characters for each one you memorize. < 1499372899 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Hanzi scheme. < 1499372907 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a pittance of a virtual server. < 1499372935 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must have REALLY bad service, then < 1499372936 0 :Gregor!dlopen@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a scam, it just is really "you get what you pay for", particularly in terms of uptime and support. < 1499372945 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1499372989 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499373019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a scow than a scam. < 1499373054 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moscow? < 1499373097 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moscow moproblems < 1499373163 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( their order form includes scripts from fraudlabspro.com ... too funny in context ) < 1499373166 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :😎 < 1499373290 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1499373297 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499373334 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the part that I do consider fraudulent is that they don't mention the yearly fee anywhere in the order form, calling it "one time" payment (quotation marks are theirs, for what it's worth). You still have to read their terms of service up to point 9.18 to find out about them. Though 1.b.iii) should make you wary: "CloudatCost reserves the right to change fees or charges without notice to... < 1499373339 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you. Your continued use of the Service after a change in fees shall constitute your acceptance of such change in fees." < 1499373353 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1499373367 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is also offline < 1499373376 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same VM, I believe < 1499373384 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VPS, whatever) < 1499373455 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are wikia wiki's in the cloud? < 1499373475 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, they are really slow to load from all the ads) < 1499373501 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cloud" is such a vague term. < 1499373539 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1499373550 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: not without javascript they aren't. < 1499373563 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1499373567 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people will call any VPS a cloud server. < 1499373606 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess I mean hosted at a server local to none of the users < 1499373614 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but local to Wikia itself < 1499373637 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What do you mean? < 1499373827 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows where they actually are... they use the fastly CDN < 1499373852 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1499373864 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much to learn < 1499374050 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has the wiki ever been backed up in the last few years? I know it did wiki-dumps at one point < 1499374192 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374266 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems that they are big enough that they should be running their own servers. Apparently they used to share wikimedia infrastructure. < 1499374277 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = wikia) < 1499374286 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie supposedly takes backups. < 1499374290 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe fizzie mentioned having backups < 1499374500 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499374548 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374575 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Client Quit < 1499374653 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374755 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499374759 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1499375158 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499375163 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1499375163 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i would firstly like to state this publicly. < 1499375179 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fungot is not on the affected server? < 1499375180 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, for me, of a multilateral system; that, thanks, purely, to trade barriers, combined with maintaining the key principles behind our proposals for decoupling and modulation of direct aid by the member states and to give farmers a long-term political perspective. this amendment is admissible. the french proposal refers only to judges in the criminal law and criminal procedure. in cases where the offences < 1499375247 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is not cloudy at all < 1499375247 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president, i have no difficulty in accepting this, we should consider reducing the level of contamination. while some had a legitimate purpose to improve financial management. it now remains to be seen in this house. < 1499375278 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the contamination, fungot? < 1499375278 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: madam president, the commission underlined the fact that it would be sending out a completely negative signal and a sombre message. more attention to this deficiency, as i have said, the adoption of the framework for the european union < 1499375335 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the president a mr or a madam? Make up your mind, fungot < 1499375335 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: mr president, it is something which will help control greenhouse gases in the european commission' s policy is not a priority. < 1499375383 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I guess that the contamination is "greenhouse gases in the european commission' s policy." Good to know < 1499375461 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we know what all that hot air really is < 1499375559 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains so much! < 1499375615 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about belching and farting? < 1499375688 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the eurocommission is composed of cows < 1499375955 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the esowiki only broke a few days ago though < 1499376015 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been up until today < 1499376071 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( `learn Calculus is mostly derivative. ) < 1499376120 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? calculus < 1499376143 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not there. < 1499376144 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. HackEgo is integral to accessing wisdoms < 1499376161 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( https://www.xkcd.com/626/ ) < 1499376194 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego timed out about 9 hours ago. < 1499376206 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: to writing them. for reading them, there's a separately hosted pdf file. wisdom/pdf has the url of that file. < 1499376218 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :__kerbal__: "integral", nice. (even if accidental) < 1499376237 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might also be in the topic) < 1499376277 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I actually did intend to make that pun... < 1499376290 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, we're on a weird tangent < 1499376318 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just had to use an ellipsis there. < 1499376384 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the determinant of my writing style? < 1499376392 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That linear algebra one was a bit forced) < 1499376413 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have backups. Most recently from Tuesday. < 1499376463 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used them to set up a temporary read-only copy on one of my own machines twice, when we've been having Problems. < 1499376556 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1499376557 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 062020Z AUTO 29007KT 9999 NCD 27/15 Q1012 NOSIG < 1499376568 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so hot these days. :/ < 1499376584 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permit me to make one more. < 1499376594 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1499376609 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki's eigenvalues are imaginary of control < 1499376625 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also got a copy in a bank vault back in Finland, but that's not updated more than maybe once a year. < 1499376646 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, THAT made no sense whatsoever < 1499376664 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to work on my math jokes < 1499376729 0 :__kerbal__!a2866206@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.134.98.6 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1499376773 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bank vault? < 1499376850 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the English term for it is for one of those little locker boxes you rent from a bank. < 1499376864 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe-deposit box? < 1499376890 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A safe-deposit box lives within the vault of a federally insured bank or credit union." < 1499376893 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it. < 1499376929 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but those cost a shitton to rent < 1499376940 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got one of them anyway. < 1499376953 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other things in there than just the Esolangs wiki backup. < 1499376979 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also something like... between 5-10 euros a month?) < 1499377033 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall from the logs that a few people do a periodic copy of the XML dump we publish, so the wiki *contents* are probably quite redundantly stored. But my copies are likely the only ones with user accounts included. < 1499377331 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499377361 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499377521 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1499378007 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1499378397 0 :wob_jonas!b03f1913@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.176.63.25.19 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1499378841 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1499379294 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1499379373 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1499380130 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1f9:bda5:e8:d835 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499380141 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@2E8BB007.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1499380710 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1499381007 0 :staffehn!~quassel@2001:41d0:52:d00::1d3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499381432 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zcuuqhvhyr8nha.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499381690 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1f9:bda5:e8:d835 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1499381852 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499383441 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1499385046 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385104 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1499385115 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:36::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385116 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@2a05:dfc7:dfc7:36::1 QUIT :Changing host < 1499385116 0 :iovoid!~iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385320 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1499385323 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1499385462 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.