00:01:24 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:19:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:20:47 <__kerbal___> Hello oerjan 00:22:28 <__kerbal___> Disregard the __kerbal__ account with only 4 underscores; that's me running on a different computer 00:23:04 <__kerbal___> That, if my hunch is correct, I cannot close right now as I am not nearby 00:25:53 __kerbal__: do you have any comment on this usurpation? 00:26:19 <__kerbal___> I left my baby outside 00:27:02 __kerbal___: /msg nickserv ghost __kerbal__ 00:27:19 <__kerbal___> ;msg nickserv ghost 00:27:34 <__kerbal___> What does that do, exactly? 00:27:43 kick __kerbal__ out 00:28:16 <__kerbal___> oh, thanks 00:28:49 -!- __kerbal__ has quit (Disconnected by services). 00:28:54 <__kerbal___> There we go 00:29:01 you're welcome 00:29:07 <__kerbal___> Thanks 00:29:18 -!- __kerbal___ has changed nick to __kerbal__. 00:29:25 <__kerbal__> much better 00:39:55 -!- nullcone[m] has changed nick to nullcone[m]2. 00:40:15 -!- nullcone has quit. 00:40:22 -!- nullcone[m]2 has changed nick to nullcone. 00:41:33 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:41:55 -!- nullcone has changed nick to nullcone_. 00:51:54 __kerbal__: you might try `url wisdom instead. 00:52:08 <__kerbal__> `url wisdom 00:52:09 https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom 00:52:39 <__kerbal__> Ok, thanks. You must be reading the logs 00:52:48 HOW DID YOU GUESS 00:53:10 `? oerjan 00:53:11 Your omnipheasant back principal swatty arrant "Darth Ept" oerjan the indecisive is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His arc-nemesis is Kitty Crocker. He twice punned without noticing it. 00:53:34 or not. 00:54:20 `? alercah 00:54:21 alercah? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 00:54:25 <__kerbal__> `? Eyes 00:54:26 still? I'm unloved 00:54:26 Eyes and ears and mouth and nose... 00:54:31 <__kerbal__> `? doesthiswork 00:54:33 no 00:54:36 <__kerbal__> ok 00:54:45 <__kerbal__> now we know 00:57:17 <__kerbal__> `wisdom /̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞ @ 11050:a4fc5115efcf 00:57:18 That's not wise. 00:58:39 <__kerbal__> `learn In CCCP, esolangs create YOU! 00:58:41 Relearned 'in': In CCCP, esolangs create YOU! 00:58:49 <__kerbal__> that's not what i intended 00:59:12 <__kerbal__> Now prepositions have fallen to the communists 01:01:10 <__kerbal__> `learn alercah is a person 01:01:12 Learned 'alercah': alercah is a person 01:02:36 Please stop abusing the bot. 01:02:47 <__kerbal__> sorry 01:02:49 https://hackego.esolangs.org/fshg/ 01:03:08 `revert 11027 01:03:09 Done. 01:03:22 All of it bot abuse. 01:03:31 `quote shachaf.*wisdom 01:03:32 1298) ais523: Hmm, I think the wisdom database is like the quotes file, except it's for when people think they're being funny, rather than when other people think they're funny. 01:06:59 -!- __kerbal___ has joined. 01:07:12 <__kerbal___> shachaf: I will use more discretion in the future 01:07:29 -!- __kerbal__ has quit (Disconnected by services). 01:07:39 -!- __kerbal___ has changed nick to __kerbal__. 01:09:11 __kerbal__: we have a policy that permanent changes to HackEgo must be done in public. 01:09:32 <__kerbal__> I apologize. I thought that I was sparing you all from bot spam 01:09:46 In order to make you retroactively adhere to that policy, I was forced to make those changes nonpermanent. 01:09:54 <__kerbal__> That makes sense 01:10:04 <__kerbal__> in a temporally strange kind of way 01:10:11 that's a good idea for _reading_ HackEgo stuff, but we like to keep a bit track of what's changing. 01:11:27 and making so many changes to HackEgo that you'd be worried about spamming isn't a good idea either 01:11:37 <__kerbal__> That's fair 01:11:49 <__kerbal__> I apologize 01:12:41 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 01:13:28 To be fair, spamming with HackEgo is a popular activity. 01:13:35 There's even a command for it. 01:13:56 also true. 01:16:05 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...). 01:18:22 for school? <-- for work, as i recall 01:18:56 <__kerbal__> I do want to do one thing 01:19:27 <__kerbal__> `wisdom alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently 01:19:29 That's not wise. 01:19:42 <__kerbal__> `? alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently 01:19:44 alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 01:19:53 <__kerbal__> `learn alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently 01:19:55 Learned 'alercah': alercah has wanted a wisdom entry, evidently 01:20:02 <__kerbal__> (sorry, that's what I meant) 01:20:13 <__kerbal__> I didn't mean to spam it that time 01:21:07 you can't always get what you want 01:21:08 `revert 01:21:09 Done. 01:21:17 <__kerbal__> ok 01:21:18 you gotta ease into it 01:21:27 <__kerbal__> ok 01:26:44 <__kerbal__> my bad 01:30:49 <__kerbal__> got to go 01:30:52 -!- __kerbal__ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 01:31:27 `le/rn newbie of the month//Newbie of the Month is a traditional #esoteric position. Benefits include gentle mentoring, like having shachaf revert all your wisdom additions. 01:31:30 Learned 'newbie of the month': Newbie of the Month is a traditional #esoteric position. Benefits include gentle mentoring, like having shachaf revert all your wisdom additions. 01:55:01 -!- nullcone_ has changed nick to nullcone. 02:08:16 -!- boily has joined. 02:09:14 * boily helloes hellørjan 02:09:51 `5 w 02:09:58 1/1:turing//Turing is what you are doing when you Tur. \ the u//The U are a very mad people. \ csv//CSV猫stands猫for猫Cat猫Separated猫Values \ oren's font//\oren\'s font neoletters is http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm \ lachine//Unholy portal to China, closely guarded from Ëvil by Roujo. 02:10:08 oerjan: One of those was a wisdom replacement. 02:10:10 `? in 02:10:12 In 1492 Jesus sailed the ocean blue. 02:10:14 `dowg in 02:10:22 11053:2017-06-29 revert 11027 \ 11051:2017-06-28 <__kerbal_̈_> learn In CCCP, esolangs create YOU! \ 10539:2017-03-28 slwd in//s/Columbus/Jesus/ \ 7445:2016-04-17 learn In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. \ 7444:2016-04-17 learn In your dreams, sucker! 02:10:36 `forget in 02:10:38 Forget what? 02:10:47 helloochaforget. 02:11:22 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 03:06:11 Cale: One time I made a LISP macro cr that could be used as (cr addad x) 03:06:22 Also the whole cadadr thing is a scow convention. 03:07:21 I suppose it describes a path in a binary tree, from right to left. 03:08:00 yeah, it's just a really bizarre way to write a binary string 03:09:08 "hash consing" is a scow name imo 03:09:15 Do you like hash tables? 03:09:23 I think they're pretty neat. 03:34:29 -!- sleffy has joined. 03:43:44 I've never been a huge fan of data structures which rely on incomprehensibility 03:43:54 They are neat in their own way though 03:44:08 I just... find it hard to trust them very much 03:45:06 incomprehensibility? 03:45:08 * oerjan pokes Cale with a finger tree 03:47:36 Do you mean that you can't tell much about x from H(x)? 04:01:40 [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52335&oldid=52334 * Qwertyu63 * (+156) 04:03:48 [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52336&oldid=52335 * Qwertyu63 * (-58) 04:06:14 [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52337&oldid=52336 * Qwertyu63 * (+4) 04:08:43 [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52338&oldid=52337 * Qwertyu63 * (-42) 04:08:59 [wiki] [[User:Qwertyu63]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52339&oldid=52338 * Qwertyu63 * (+0) 04:15:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:22:19 -!- augur has joined. 04:26:56 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 06:00:51 -!- augur has joined. 06:05:55 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:10:54 -!- augur has joined. 06:13:00 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:08 -!- augur has joined. 07:10:44 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Work). 07:15:52 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:40:43 -!- doesthiswork has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 07:47:34 -!- nullcone_ has joined. 08:23:56 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:24:10 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:09 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:34:30 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:37:50 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:37:57 -!- pikhq has joined. 08:55:01 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:56:11 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:05:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:12:13 -!- vota has joined. 09:12:21 -!- augur has joined. 09:12:40 -!- vota has left ("Leaving"). 09:13:28 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:14:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:24:48 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:36:34 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:38:41 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:24:55 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:29:41 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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I'll try to re-read how that works, but here I'm not trying to limit the number of (tape/stack) symbols 13:42:08 right 13:42:16 I assume you have some application in mind for this? 13:43:14 I'm trying to invent an esolang that so far I can only prove turing-complete because it can simulate a two-stack machine (not a stack-flow one, but one with proper persistent state for both stacks), 13:43:31 but I'm trying to figure out if there are other ways to prove it turing-complete 13:43:38 huh, actually I'm reminded a lot of Incident too 13:43:42 (not the silly parsing stuff but the data storage) 13:45:25 using the two stacks isn't a practical way to write programs, I know a much more practical way, only that one might not be Turing-complete technically, because even though I can random access lots of memory that way (the amount of memory grows very quickly in the size of the program), I'm not sure I can access an unbounded amount of memory with a f 13:45:25 ixed program. 13:51:19 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:59:16 you could use the stacks to store a single counter with multiply and divide operations; that gives you the infinite storage you need 13:59:25 and then only use it when you absolutely had to 13:59:46 in fact, you can use one stack to store the counter, using the other as a temporary to multiply and divide it 13:59:56 and use the other for whatever you like, except in the middle of a multiply/divide operaiton 14:00:02 *operation 14:00:32 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 14:07:10 ah, trying to reduce to a counter machine. might work. 14:14:51 you could alternatively use both as a tape, but then you wouldn't be able to use them for other things too 14:15:14 -!- augur has joined. 14:19:47 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:43:53 -!- `^_^v has joined. 14:46:43 -!- Guest52295 has quit (Changing host). 14:46:43 -!- Guest52295 has joined. 14:46:43 -!- Guest52295 has changed nick to sdhand. 14:47:47 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:53:41 -!- xa0 has quit (Quit: Divided by zero). 14:53:51 -!- xa0 has joined. 15:40:05 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:52:37 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! 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