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00:00:55 <shachaf> I don't remember how Conspiracy cards work.
00:02:15 <zzo38> How it works is if you have drafted that card you may include it in your command zone at the beginning of the game. If it has hidden agenda, then it is face-down and secretly chosen a card name, and then it can be turned face-up as a special action.
00:02:47 <shachaf> You may turn it face-up whenever you want?
00:03:09 <zzo38> Yes, any time you have priority.
00:03:33 <shachaf> I like cards that let you do things even when you don't have priority.
00:05:04 <zzo38> When you don't have priority, you still might do stuff during a mana step or when some effect requires you to make a choice, other than that you can concede at any time, I think.
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00:05:55 <shachaf> What about cards that let you cast spells while you're searching your library?
00:06:01 <shachaf> Can that happen when you don't have priority? I don't remember.
00:07:40 <zzo38> Yes.
00:08:34 <zzo38> Some effects have you cast a spell or do other stuff as part of an effect, but normally, if it is not a part of the effect, it cannot be done unless you have priority (except that you can still activate mana abilities during a mana step, and state-based actions will be deferred until someone does get priority).
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00:13:58 <oerjan> aww my ppcg answer got unaccepted
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00:15:31 <prooftechnique> Aww
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00:16:22 <oerjan> what, despite it _still_ being the only one...
00:18:21 <prooftechnique> Maybe their problem unhappened
00:18:42 <oerjan> it was an old answer...
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00:25:16 <rdococ> ho
00:26:03 <oerjan> oh?
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00:30:25 <rdococ> ?ho
00:30:25 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: hoogle hoogle+ do
00:30:48 <shachaf> `5 w
00:30:53 <HackEgo> 1/2:something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom//It is now. \ russia//Russia is a country so huge it manages to be so near to both Finland and Japan. It used to be part of the Soviet Union before Ronald Reagan destroyed it. \ mathematimu//A mathematimu is a quantum of mathematics. If you observe it, its codepoint can change. \ irc//IRC is short for "I
00:30:56 <shachaf> `n
00:30:57 <HackEgo> 2/2:nternet Relay Chat". It is named so because all the servers are constructed from relays. \ delaware//Delaware is a US state in which everybody speaks German.
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00:33:41 <prooftechnique> The antecedent of "it" is ambiguous in that wisdom entry
00:34:10 <prooftechnique> One makes Reagan a political juggernaut; the other, a literal one
00:34:38 <rdococ> I present my brand new chatting system
00:34:44 <rdococ> the Internet Transistor Chat :P
00:36:38 <prooftechnique> Internet Resistor Chat is so much more militant, though
00:38:01 <oerjan> Internet Relay Capacitors
00:38:42 <oerjan> Internet Tube Chat, obviously.
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00:52:00 <Destructible> hello
00:53:25 <Marcela_Gandara1> hol
00:56:30 <Destructible> I got kicked from chat for covfefe memes
00:57:39 <Marcela_Gandara1> quien sabe como instalar una impresara HP Deskjet 1000 a mi canaima(linux)?
00:58:09 <Destructible> no hablas espanol
00:58:59 <zzo38> Sorry I am not so good at Spanish, this is the English IRC. Try the Spanish IRC.
00:59:23 <Destructible> (I was saying I don't speak spanish :P)
01:00:04 <zzo38> Yes I know that much of Spanish at least
01:00:13 <zzo38> But I reply to Marcela_Gandara1
01:01:10 <shachaf> `bienvenido Marcela_Gandara1
01:01:12 <HackEgo> Marcela_Gandara1: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
01:06:29 <Destructible> ok
01:06:47 <Destructible> so, I have made two esolangs. would these be appreciated on the wiki
01:07:11 <Destructible> they aren't bf derivatives, though the second one is kind of similar
01:07:51 <zzo38> You can post so that we can see.
01:09:39 <Destructible> ok
01:11:11 <Destructible> https://github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/turtl-d/
01:11:27 <Destructible> (that's the second one)
01:11:48 <Destructible> https://github.com/Destructible-Watermelon/Woefully
01:12:08 <Destructible> that one is a mega tarpit with a different kind of control flow than I have encountered before
01:12:33 <Destructible> it has no explicit conditionals
01:13:06 <Destructible> the closest thing to a conditional is multiplying a value by 1 or zero and then moving that many to get to a different state
01:13:39 <Destructible> Is it good? The woefully has a docs md file
01:15:44 <zzo38> I looked; perhaps example should be added on, too
01:15:55 <zzo38> And then these two thing can be posted on wiki.
01:16:03 <Destructible> The woefully is actually such a tarpit that I haven't made anything more complex than a repunit generator
01:16:27 <Destructible> I do believe it is TC though
01:17:47 <zzo38> Unless you have a proof you should not add category to specify is TC.
01:17:49 <Destructible> you could emulate a minsky machine with the state moving the pointer
01:18:08 <Destructible> I can't sketch an absolute proof, but I can explain why it is TC
01:18:38 <Destructible> If I made a bf interpreter in this I would be very surprised with myself
01:18:53 <zzo38> Then you can add such a explanation to wiki. This program is MIT license; you can link to such program, but the test you will add into wiki should be public domain. OK
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01:21:16 <zzo38> I am working on making Z-machine implementation in MMIX; do you like this?
01:21:28 <Destructible> links? I do not get it
01:22:39 <zzo38> This is a part of the program so far: http://sprunge.us/McGB (there may be some mistakes in it, maybe, though)
01:23:07 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQSdlbw3es
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01:34:01 <Destructible> interesting
01:36:49 <Destructible> z-machine is good probably
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01:44:23 <\oren\> the first episode of pokemon aired in 1997
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01:50:06 <Destructible> I might try making an esolang page... but I'm kind of lazy
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01:51:21 <zzo38> Do you know any MMIX programming and/or any Z-machine programming? I wrote a document about Z-machine programming actually.
01:58:42 <Destructible> none
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02:04:17 <rdococ> Piana
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02:05:03 <Destructible> what
02:07:14 <oerjan> rdococ is secretly a relative of `words
02:07:20 <oerjan> `words spanish
02:07:23 <HackEgo> Argument "spanish" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148.
02:07:28 <oerjan> darn
02:07:38 <rdococ> `words english
02:07:38 <oerjan> `words --spanish
02:07:39 <HackEgo> Argument "english" isn't numeric in int at /hackenv/bin/words line 148.
02:07:40 <HackEgo> lasenussanglia
02:07:45 <rdococ> `words --english
02:07:46 <HackEgo> Unknown option: english
02:07:50 <oerjan> `words 50 --spanish
02:07:51 <HackEgo> sistaparo detud disch panadamerla invió avigine sacári tli pana dícultar disen aber estia bras los graus estica ador protel bon palmarchlanar oeriento envir oresicia hernitab
02:08:18 <oerjan> `words 50 --canadian-english-insane
02:08:19 <HackEgo> ira chic infustrate agedamen cutchalockin dorsed kozuwainirogogue supernic humated ency headator lenacensel int explancram bologill stryophylar isosod dultitlinic gainewscal ichrobri flate serabolime port kolksikhay counderstor
02:08:35 <rdococ> ?
02:08:42 <rdococ> `words --british-english
02:08:43 <HackEgo> Unknown option: british-english
02:08:48 <rdococ> er
02:08:55 <oerjan> `words -l
02:08:55 <HackEgo> valid datasets: --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --french --german --hebrew --russian --spanish --irish --german-medical --bulgarian --catalan --swedish --brazilian --canadian-english-insane --manx --italian --ogerman --portuguese --polish --gaelic --finnish --norwegian --esolangs \ default: --eng-1M
02:09:05 <rdococ> `words --eng-gb
02:09:07 <HackEgo> ahin
02:09:13 <rdococ> what would the difference be between -gb and -us?
02:09:15 <rdococ> `words 50 --eng-gb
02:09:17 <HackEgo> abad homo grierpenned crucle aflf num spaien bria fartil onftc mech copol peda illa coudeter crentur machich hyda form malike hofstrue ate pyn ched remen
02:09:18 <oerjan> looks very british
02:09:22 <rdococ> `words 50 --eng-us
02:09:23 <HackEgo> that neffuserang bayshi toodbner esch brain bout oka tsystra adent stur conic buku bartgan svigate ovea kelinaia faut jiere repubilior insuno kathion sticallgl circhical gram
02:09:30 <oerjan> rdococ: the datasets they're generated from, presumably.
02:09:34 <rdococ> ah
02:10:13 <rdococ> pisen
02:10:19 <rdococ> `? rdococ
02:10:21 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. Additionally, almost all of his wisdom entries are bad.
02:10:46 <rdococ> `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:10:49 <HackEgo> Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:13:58 <rdococ> internet has gone to siht
02:14:04 <rdococ> `? rdococ
02:14:05 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a complex relative of `words.
02:14:08 <rdococ> `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words.
02:14:10 <HackEgo> Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom & mapoledom. He is a relative of `words.
02:15:49 <Destructible> spam!!!!11!!1
02:21:03 <rdococ> bham1!!1
02:22:28 <zzo38> I have looked at Marc LeBrun's "Computist Quiz", and some of the stuff listed there is stuff that I have used before anyways, so I will already know the answer. This includes the (x&-x) and the numeric sorting of text (without converting the text into numbers at first), and also the "alternating series of 0 and 1".
02:23:31 <zzo38> (The other questions I do not know the answer of though.)
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03:19:12 <zzo38> I invented "SET->BCOM optimization" for Z-machine codes. It is used when a SET instruction sets a local or global variable to a constant value. For ZIP/EZIP, it remains SET if the number is 0 to 255 and is converted to BCOM otherwise.
03:20:14 <zzo38> For XZIP/YZIP, it remains SET if the number is 0 to 255, becomes BCOM if the number is -256, otherwise becomes ADD if the number is 256 to 510, otherwise becomes MUL if the number is a product of two numbers in range 3 to 255, otherwise remains SET.
03:20:29 <zzo38> (O, and also becomes SUB if the number is -255 to -1.)
03:42:28 <oerjan> ooh, i was afraid my computer had rebooted, but it only hibernated
03:44:57 <oerjan> just as i was posting today's magnum PPCG opus.
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04:50:06 <\oren\> oerjan: I hate when computers hibernate
04:50:29 <shachaf> `hi bernate
04:50:30 <HackEgo> Hi bernate. Hernate.
04:50:52 <shachaf> hi, bear nate
04:50:54 <shachaf> `5 w
04:50:59 <HackEgo> 1/2:shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj//shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system. \ culprits//c[uw]lprits lists the nicks responsible for a file or wisdom entry. Usage: `culprits FILE or `cwlprits ENTRY \ croissont supplier//See misspellings of croissant \ oops//OOPS (Obligatory Oblivious PunS) is a variant of OOP. \ typoerj
04:51:08 <shachaf> `n
04:51:09 <HackEgo> 2/2:an//typoerjan is oerjan's clumsy twin.
04:51:34 <shachaf> How many twins does oerjan have?
04:51:50 <shachaf> `` grwp -l twin
04:51:52 <HackEgo> ​* \ ☾_ \ c# \ myname \ orin \ örjan \ ørjan \ pico \ sewerjan \ twint-e \ typoerjan \ אrjan
04:52:08 <shachaf> `` grwp twin | grwp rjan | wc -l
04:52:10 <HackEgo> 20
04:52:17 <shachaf> `` grwp twin | grep rjan | wc -l
04:52:18 <HackEgo> 5
05:06:41 <oerjan> `dowg shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
05:06:50 <HackEgo> 3457:2013-08-21 <boil̈y> learn shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don\'t use the metric system.
05:07:35 <oerjan> @ask boily is `? shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj another thing you won't admit to?
05:07:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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05:56:26 <\oren\> `5 w
05:56:31 <HackEgo> 1/2:second wisdom//The second wisdom is that wisdom can never be complete or consistent. \ brontosaurus//A brontosaurus is an ancient mythological creature. They were well known for having mapoles for teeth. \ eliot//Eliot inverted cats, then Taneb stole his inversion. \ userweps//boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter \ itidus20//itidus20's
05:56:39 <\oren\> `n
05:56:40 <HackEgo> 2/2:entry has been censored.
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06:17:37 <\oren\> `5 w
06:17:42 <HackEgo> 1/2:glass//I can eat glass and it doesn't hurt me. -- http://www.savagechickens.com/2016/05/new-diet.html \ sat solving technique//There are many SAT solving techniques, but none are completely satisfactory. \ death//Death is known to be a major health hazard, causing complete decomposition of the body in many cases. \ fnord//? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ ta
06:17:45 <\oren\> `n
06:17:46 <HackEgo> 2/2:nebvention//Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
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06:23:10 <shachaf> `? necessity
06:23:11 <HackEgo> If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it.
06:23:33 <shachaf> `? possibility
06:23:34 <HackEgo> If possibility did not exist, it would not be possible for Taneb not to invent it.
06:36:35 <rdococ> probably
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07:13:45 <oerjan> `dowg certainly
07:13:52 <HackEgo> 10992:2017-06-02 <wob_jonäs> `` echo >> wisdom/certainly; echo >> wisdom/certainty; head wisdom/certain*y \ 9201:2016-10-09 <shachäf> slwd certainly//s#at least it#it certainly# \ 2418:2013-03-12 <ellioẗt> revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 <Sgëo> revert 2243 \ 2372:2013-03-04 <Jafët> cp wisdom/certain{t,l}y && sed -i \'s/ty/ly/\' wisdom/certa
07:14:14 <oerjan> `dowg certainty
07:14:14 <shachaf> `? certainly
07:14:15 <HackEgo> We don't know what certainly is for sure, but it certainly isn't a functor.
07:14:22 <HackEgo> 10992:2017-06-02 <wob_jonäs> `` echo >> wisdom/certainly; echo >> wisdom/certainty; head wisdom/certain*y \ 9202:2016-10-09 <oerjän> slwd certainty//s/at least/we have certainty that/ \ 2418:2013-03-12 <ellioẗt> revert 2416 \ 2417:2013-03-12 <Sgëo> revert 2243 \ 2371:2013-03-04 <boil̈y> echo -n "We don\'t know what certainty is for sure, b
07:14:48 <oerjan> hm it was boily who used -n for some reason.
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07:18:17 <oerjan> `cwlprits buritto
07:18:21 <oerjan> `cwlprits burito
07:18:25 <oerjan> `cwlprits burrito
07:18:25 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:18:28 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:18:32 <HackEgo> b_jonäs
07:18:38 <oerjan> `cwlprits burritto
07:18:45 <HackEgo> wob_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs
07:21:07 <shachaf> `? buritto
07:21:08 <HackEgo> buritto? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:21:13 <oerjan> `4 `\? "rules of wisdom"
07:21:14 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while lo
07:21:21 <oerjan> `4 \? "rules of wisdom"
07:21:24 <HackEgo> 1/3:unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation unless essential for the entry‘s humor, should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no spa
07:21:33 <oerjan> yepp
07:21:58 <oerjan> shachaf: he deleted the others today
07:22:14 <shachaf> `? burrito
07:22:15 <HackEgo> Burritos are like Monads, according to Joe. See https://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/abstraction-intuition-and-the-monad-tutorial-fallacy/
07:22:30 <shachaf> Such a b_jonasdom.
07:28:44 <oerjan> `? covfefe
07:28:46 <HackEgo> covfefe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
07:29:11 <oerjan> `learn Covfefe is how you speak when you've had *way* too much coffee.
07:29:13 <HackEgo> Learned 'covfefe': Covfefe is how you speak when you've had *way* too much coffee.
08:03:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52040&oldid=51992 * Zzo38 * (+107) Implementation in JavaScript
08:16:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Woefully]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52041 * Destructible watermelon * (+3691) Created page with "Woefully is a programming language based on lines made of spaces. It uses a unique type of control flow, featuring no explicit conditionals, and is believed TC, though it is t..."
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09:13:34 <hppavilion[1]> `? russell's teapot
09:13:38 <HackEgo> Russell's Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:10 <hppavilion[1]> `slwd Russell's Teapot//s/Russell's Teapot/Russell's little Teapot/
09:14:11 <HackEgo> Roswbud!
09:14:15 <hppavilion[1]> `? russell's teapot
09:14:16 <HackEgo> Russell's Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:23 <hppavilion[1]> Hm.
09:14:51 <hppavilion[1]> `le/rn Russell's Teapot//Russell's little Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:54 <HackEgo> Relearned 'russell's teapot': Russell's little Teapot / Short and stout / Orbits near Mars / Or thereabout. / If you see it / Let us know / If you don't / What does that show?
09:14:58 <rdococ> I'm tired
09:15:00 <hppavilion[1]> There, now the meter works.
09:15:21 <rdococ> I'm working on a fictional material suitable for my hypercomputational idea
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09:16:58 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: Oh?
09:17:27 <rdococ> "Multium". Unusual material which technically resides outside of any universes, in the multiverse - but can be seen and interacted with in every universe. As a result, it has proven handy for communication with other universes.
09:19:48 <oerjan> clearly what Multivac is made of.
09:21:47 <rdococ> meh, maybe
09:25:11 <rdococ> though I feel like there's problems with it
09:26:45 <rdococ> if one device wants to spread an infinite amount of computational load across infinite universes, it could send a signal through to them.
09:27:06 <rdococ> but every other device in every universe which is semi-indistinguishable from them also wants to do that.
09:28:54 <rdococ> and what if other devices want a different computational problem solving and get the wrong answer?
09:29:57 <rdococ> hm, what I think I need for it to work is a whole server which resides outside of any of these universes
09:31:20 <rdococ> we need the ability to 1) target a specific universe and 2) allow that universe to target us back
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10:34:23 <Destructible> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Woefully
10:34:26 <Destructible> there
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10:43:32 <Destructible> aw
10:43:49 <Destructible> yeah so I'm banned from the chat for a week
10:43:55 <Destructible> because of covfefe
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12:02:27 <zzo38> I thought of a kind of variant syntax of Kangaroo esolang, which is "nameless syntax", where the example program becomes: ,1;2
12:04:24 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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14:21:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52042&oldid=52037 * Timtomtoaster * (+83) /* eWagon2 */
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14:36:12 <lukeoftheaura> hi
14:40:28 <zzo38> Hello
14:53:13 <lukeoftheaura> my brother had an idea for an esolang recently based on the capchalog(?) system
14:53:15 <lukeoftheaura> from homestuck
14:53:34 <zzo38> I don't know how that is working
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14:53:42 <zzo38> You can figure out how to make, though.
14:53:43 <lukeoftheaura> neither do I
14:53:52 <lukeoftheaura> he just said "hey, that'd be a cool idea"
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17:34:12 <zzo38> Apparently iPhone has its own PNG format, which adds a "CgBI" chunk (I don't know what its contents are), and swaps red and blue, and uses premultiplied alpha.
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17:35:30 <zzo38> (I don't know what the letters stand for either, although the initial uppercase "C" would indicate that programs that do not know about it will not try to read it anyways, and the lowercase "g" indicates that it is an unofficial extension.)
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18:29:07 <pikhq> That's odd, but it sounds like they're doing it to more closely match their GPU texture formats.
18:38:48 <int-e> http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/CgBI_file_format has (very little) further information.
18:38:48 <\oren\> konosuba is a good amine
18:39:10 <int-e> premultiplied alpha makes a lot of sense in context.
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20:01:06 <shachaf> Taneb: do you want this listed as a Tanebvention hth
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20:26:28 <Taneb> `? this
20:26:29 <HackEgo> this is a word
20:26:53 <shachaf> `dowg this
20:27:00 <HackEgo> 2177:2013-02-19 <olsnër> learn this is a word
20:36:39 <shachaf> That works too.
20:36:42 <shachaf> `5 w
20:36:48 <HackEgo> 1/2:¯\_(ツ)_/¯//¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is the ¯\(°​_o)/¯ of urbandictionary \ myndzi//myndzi used to keep us all on our feet. \ brontosaurus//A brontosaurus is an ancient mythological creature. They were well known for having mapoles for teeth. \ 10//10 = 10 in every base. \ lem//Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of exclude
20:36:50 <shachaf> `n
20:36:50 <HackEgo> 2/2:d middle.
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21:10:17 <int-e> ^celebrate
21:10:17 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
21:10:27 <int-e> . o O ( the first third is still there )
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22:06:30 <olsner> fungot: :)
22:06:31 <fungot> olsner: you're the real user plof. :p hee. eli terveisiä! :p? predicate
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22:38:40 <zzo38> Now I do have JPEG encoder and decoder with my Farbfeld Utilities, although it isn't a very good encoder (although this may be corrected later on).
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23:44:35 <izabera> a language has no recursion and the only kind of loops are for loops over an arbitrarily large but bounded range of integers
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23:44:45 <izabera> how do you prove that it's not turing complete?
23:47:55 <alercah> show that computation always halts
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23:50:34 <izabera> ah right
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