< 1494028960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the new rule 115.2e of Magic: the Gathering, which look a bit klugy to me. I think it would be clearer if the Oracle text of the card just said that it was a special action. ("You may discard ~ any time as a special action.") < 1494028961 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? up < 1494028962 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1494028977 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Up is a direction away from the center of gravity of a celestial object. < 1494028980 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'up': Up is a direction away from the center of gravity of a celestial object. < 1494029009 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that requires explaining to people what a special action is < 1494029259 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but if you play Magic: the Gathering then you can learn. < 1494029507 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can but should not have do < 1494029514 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :most players never need to hear the words "special action" < 1494030523 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494031819 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494032375 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1494033028 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mahjong < 1494033029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahjong? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1494033054 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Danieljabailey 5* 10New user account < 1494033442 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51860&oldid=51851 5* 03Danieljabailey 5* (+100) 10Introduced myself, Dan < 1494033466 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51861&oldid=51859 5* 03Taneb 5* (+106) 10Put some tags in < 1494033517 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494033543 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION signs the motteke sailor fuku ♪ < 1494033552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51862 5* 03Danieljabailey 5* (+347) 10Add thing about delete past end of file < 1494033578 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494033589 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51863&oldid=51862 5* 03Danieljabailey 5* (+16) 10oops, fix code format < 1494033699 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51864&oldid=51863 5* 03Taneb 5* (+158) 10/* Range beyond end of file behaviour */ < 1494033733 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that's just a clarifying rule. The ability on Circling Vultures, as written in the current Oracle text, already sounds like it's giving you a special action. < 1494033803 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I don't understand though is why they didn't just errata it to an activated ability active when in your hand with the discard as a cost. On such old cards, from before sixth edition, they often make such errata. < 1494033872 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of cards from that time that have an ability that used to be activated but now isn't, or backwards. Since it was before the sixth ed, they don't stick to the printed templating closely. On modern cards they rarely do such a change (though it does happen, like they recently changed how madness works). < 1494033890 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494034104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: OK it may be clarifying rule, but it seem to me to be more clear if it says "as a special action"; the cards I designed that do similar stuff do say "as a special action" if it is a special action. < 1494034113 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and there's a good reason why 115.2c already covers most special actions, because most of the other delayed things they can just implement as activated abilities or triggered abilities or delayed triggers or other normal stuff. < 1494034176 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I take that back. It's not a clarifying rule, because 115.2c doesn't cover it. 115.2c only covers delayed special abilities, which are the activated version of delayed triggers, but they aren't triggers because you can pay for them, and might enable you to activate mana abilities first. < 1494034198 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all that tech's not required for simple things like the Vulture. < 1494034230 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK maybe, but it still seem klugy to me the way they did it, instead of just writing on the card text, "as a special action" < 1494034236 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494034246 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be a fricking activated ability. < 1494034248 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1494034268 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it's not the same rules-wise, because then you can respond to it and it's an object on the stack you can counter, < 1494034273 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's how it SHOULD work. < 1494034336 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just "Discard ~: No effect." could be another possibility, I suppose. < 1494034356 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was printed two years later, it'd just say cycling {0} < 1494034378 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm wait, they actually added a phrasing for "No effect" these days... what was it < 1494034390 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1494034397 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears in some replacement effects, possibly self-replacement < 1494034607 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, sorry, they didn't add a phrasing that appears in oracle yet < 1494034626 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do nothing" appears in comp rules once, but they always avoid saying that in oracle texts or cards < 1494034642 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're not writing the cards for algebraists or programmers, apparently < 1494034699 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they sometimes have {0} as a noop cost of activated abilities and mana cost of spells, though it's less common these days, it's more because of gameplay problems such abilities cause, not because of templating problems < 1494034714 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should write the cards for algebraists and programmers, because that would make the text more clearly. < 1494034765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's not so bad. at least they did dare to make level up cards start from level 1 < 1494035015 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1494035332 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494035514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494035620 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am convinced Taneb's esolang isn't powerful enough to do much < 1494035635 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no easy way of updating the ranges in some of the expressions < 1494035654 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is needed for any looping structure < 1494035662 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:871:5c21:41cb:834a PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Taneb's esolang? < 1494035714 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Taneb's and danieljabailey's < 1494035724 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a danieljabaley? < 1494035752 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: MAGNETAR CHICKEN < 1494035768 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were designing it and distracting me from my board game, clearly why I lost.... < 1494035769 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Taneb/Sacramento_Wormhole < 1494035827 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dan and I attempted to come up with a fizzbuzz implementation but it seems impossible < 1494035834 0 :sdhand!~sdhandtmp@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I haven't proven this < 1494035957 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:871:5c21:41cb:834a PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to come up with a truth-machine implementation < 1494035965 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:871:5c21:41cb:834a PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be less tedious than fizzbuzz < 1494036743 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:871:5c21:41cb:834a QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1494036833 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1494036951 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cheese3660 5* 10New user account < 1494037950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494038021 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51865&oldid=51860 5* 03Cheese3660 5* (+290) 10Introduced myself < 1494038054 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07MiniBitMove14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51866&oldid=50771 5* 03Cheese3660 5* (+147) 10Added an interpreter < 1494038465 0 :Warrigal!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1494038965 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494039230 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494039937 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am writing a program to make the tensor product of two pictures. < 1494040401 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made it. < 1494040407 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1494040718 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this. < 1494040723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't seen it yet. < 1494040829 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, you should look at first before you can see if you like this or not, I shoud think < 1494040857 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how can I look at it? < 1494040905 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/ it is all of the Farbfeld Utilities. < 1494040930 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made a list of all of the programs with short descriptions < 1494040972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I can't do it from my phone. < 1494041051 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I did not know that you are doing from your phone. < 1494043979 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ymufaoiroxzlstvk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1494044456 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494044712 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494045061 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvNQLJ1_HQ0&feature=youtu.be Pachelbel's Canon in D, or as it was originally titled, "Canon and Gigue for Three Violins and Basso Continuo", is apparently a lot more interesting if you... play it at the original tempo. < 1494045215 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:968:ce2c:34e2:ee61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM < 1494045263 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather amused that part of it is typically played at something like a fourth of the intended speed. < 1494045277 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the gigue section) < 1494046204 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that. < 1494046272 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those that don't know: a "gigue" was a baroque *dance tune*. < 1494046283 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@c-24-8-135-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how lively the piece is intended to be. < 1494046340 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know what gigue is. I did not know that that music had another title though < 1494046871 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was the usual speed to play it, at least it was when I was in orchestra < 1494047331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sound cards are capable of a sample rate high enough for colour television? < 1494047358 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing? < 1494047766 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing tensor product of pictures is not something I have seen in any other program (or collection of programs) to deal with pictures. < 1494047771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen any such thing? < 1494047861 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the stuff in my Farbfeld Utilities is stuff I have seen in other programs (common in some cases, rare in others), while others are stuff I have never seen anywhere else. But you can correct me if you have seen some of this stuff even though I have not seen! < 1494047980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, some of them are stuff I have seen as parts of other functions in other programs, but not by themself.) < 1494049842 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494050099 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494050948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494052373 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@24.7.67.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494053793 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1494054144 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494055544 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-opiszlbjtbyppjzv JOIN :#esoteric < 1494056141 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrapumpkin: whoa whoa whoa, do you know about non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs < 1494058907 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1494059022 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@24.7.67.0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494060242 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494061833 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8ngks11k7ib9.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1494063153 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:901d:44a4:29c0:f378 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494063355 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:901d:44a4:29c0:f378 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494063492 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:901d:44a4:29c0:f378 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494064333 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494064465 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51867&oldid=49732 5* 03Primo 5* (+99) 10/* 160 */ < 1494064645 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1494065073 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:acf3:688a:43fe:5edb JOIN :#esoteric < 1494065238 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:901d:44a4:29c0:f378 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494066319 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1494067999 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-192-145.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1494068448 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck constants14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51868&oldid=51867 5* 03Primo 5* (+60) 10/* 45306 */ < 1494068740 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:acf3:688a:43fe:5edb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494069145 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1494069900 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god this game just casually mentions that in the future chinchillas are extinct... poor chinchillas < 1494069905 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope we can save the chinchillas < 1494069978 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there are no more elephants" "there is no more unethical treatment of elephants either. the world is a much better place" < 1494069981 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:acf3:688a:43fe:5edb JOIN :#esoteric < 1494070000 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BcFHvEpP7A < 1494070237 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just imagine how much better the world will be when we got rid of the people < 1494070276 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:acf3:688a:43fe:5edb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1494070281 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG3uea-Hvy4 < 1494070357 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eliminate the fucking mosquitoes < 1494070384 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we make species extinct on purpose in the future instead of by accident < 1494070395 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't really bother me < 1494070405 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get rarely stung < 1494070411 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d0ed:46f3:13fd:9190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494070413 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what about bisons < 1494070416 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dodos < 1494070419 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not at all in the last year < 1494070421 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mosquitos are part of the solution < 1494070451 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_3n9tU1_Q < 1494070478 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw I'm not clicking your links, I'm not really expecting you to click mine) < 1494070496 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1494070533 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign mao's campain to eliminate mosquitoes resulted in loss of whole harvests and widespread famine < 1494070669 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d0ed:46f3:13fd:9190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1494070746 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: well that was because they didn't know the sparrows were eating the locusts < 1494070793 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e57a:9155:fa59:73b4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494070979 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I can see on wikipedia there aren't any obvious problems with eliminating the mosquitoes that spread malaria and sleeping sickness < 1494071618 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494071626 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-opiszlbjtbyppjzv QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494071889 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1494071937 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-abtzdstmadiejwpe JOIN :#esoteric < 1494076271 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494076445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1494076518 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hellørjan. < 1494076518 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_QOOHAlFEA < 1494076519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hellørjan.: not found < 1494076559 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily. < 1494077411 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, a reference to yuru yuri. This game was made by people whose tastes are creepily similar to mine < 1494077510 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( what is \oren\ smurfing about in the logs ) < 1494077707 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/J9gDfuQaubI?t=1m30s this? < 1494077836 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joy of seeing someone need 9 tries to get past the wiki introduction... < 1494077987 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oriiiii~n\! < 1494077993 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smurfing? < 1494078141 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51869&oldid=51864 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+134) 10Missing the obvious < 1494078245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> now net at this net, that I just net. when I net net, be ready to net. net! net it at him not me! ugh, let's net something else. < 1494078287 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a version of we are number one where all verbs are replaced with net < 1494078334 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we net number one < 1494078734 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:e57a:9155:fa59:73b4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494079229 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494079338 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51870&oldid=51869 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+351) 10/* PDA */ < 1494080343 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1494080708 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty :P < 1494080719 0 :asdfbot!~asdfghjkl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1494080956 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloony. < 1494081148 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1494081160 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got around to porting _js to asdfbot (otherbot's successor) < 1494081187 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :works well, just need to trim the output so it doesnt go on indefinitly if you abuse it :P < 1494081532 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman JOIN :#esoteric < 1494081568 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User talk:Taneb/Sacramento Wormhole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51871&oldid=51870 5* 03Taneb 5* (+249) 10/* PDA */ < 1494081665 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome handicraftsman < 1494081666 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07handicraftsman: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1494081772 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, he just followed the channel name when i brought in asdfbot (I know him) < 1494081774 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1494081795 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-R5wm0UQAADBng.jpg go. < 1494081863 0 :asdfbot!~asdfghjkl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494081869 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1494081870 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1494081878 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality language < 1494081889 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just `_runat #esoteric runas moоny ping` < 1494081894 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1494081970 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :handicraftsman, it couldnt identify the U perms. Please dont do that, you know what chaining runa* commands does :P < 1494081991 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony, lol < 1494081995 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :My one is better a bit < 1494081997 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still shitty < 1494082006 0 :topkeksman!ProtonBot@unaffiliated/handicraftsman/bot/ruibot JOIN :#esoteric < 1494082011 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont bring it he- EEE < 1494082023 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, they dont like sudden bot swarms. This is not ##lazy-valoran < 1494082025 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: mynamello. that is vile! < 1494082041 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :handicraftsman, make protonbot leave. < 1494082043 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like swarms. good practice for mapoling ^^ < 1494082053 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :\part < 1494082053 0 :topkeksman!ProtonBot@unaffiliated/handicraftsman/bot/ruibot PART #esoteric : < 1494082070 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: swatting seems more appropriate < 1494082085 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( A mapole couldn't hurt a fly ;-) ) < 1494082130 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's not actually true, but swatters make it much easier) < 1494082161 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :_part < 1494082164 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :_part #esoteric < 1494082167 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1494082168 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here < 1494082175 0 :asdfbot!~asdfghjkl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1494082214 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :_? < 1494082232 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :_list < 1494082232 0 :asdfbot!~asdfghjkl@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot PRIVMSG #esoteric :handicraftsman: Command groups (use list ): chanop fun main general < 1494082279 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_selfdestruct < 1494082307 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually m00ny made bot join first time < 1494082386 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1494082451 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :handicraftsman, i know. last i checked, otherbot didnt bother them as long as bot spam did not occur :P < 1494082491 0 :handicraftsman!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parabolols? < 1494083397 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494083681 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1494083737 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494084127 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1494084129 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emac//emacs is the weird brother of nano. < 1494084194 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1494084204 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is everything mashed, amalgamated, conflagrated and stringed together in an unholy mess of weird key combinations. < 1494084225 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lisp < 1494084230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/emac{,s} < 1494084232 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1494084290 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn emac//The eMac, released in 2002, was the first model of Macintosh computer to use electricity. < 1494084292 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'emac': The eMac, released in 2002, was the first model of Macintosh computer to use electricity. < 1494084310 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? vim < 1494084311 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim equals to cmxciv or cmxcvi, depending on which part of Roman Empire you are. < 1494084343 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, how can it differ by 2? < 1494084362 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1494084805 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im working on emulating a filesystem inside of _js < 1494084851 0 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1494084878 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far i have the base design for how, say, null devices will emulate < 1494084898 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/null// < 1494084924 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :devices in general actually :P < 1494084974 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alongside files. < 1494086290 0 :moony!~moooony@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1494086720 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1494087014 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1494087599 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494088136 0 :Soni!SoniEx2@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494088188 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.237.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494088557 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.237.213 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494088844 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.237.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494088961 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1494089130 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.237.213 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1494089250 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :YaY < 1494089263 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494089272 0 :primo!~primo@49.49.237.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494089633 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1494092219 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494093162 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494093210 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this document is good? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ffbit If something in unclear or wrong or incomplete to please either to make the suggestion or you can fix it yourself < 1494093480 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1494093745 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hezzo38. looks great! is it possible to restructure it to be more like a man page? < 1494094163 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could; in such a case, such a restructuring can be written as a man page so that it can be used with man. < 1494094177 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and then can also be used with troff and whatever, to make printouts too) < 1494094227 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a man-style synopsis and perhaps two examples would probably be helpful < 1494094290 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think that boily is really concerned about the format) < 1494094298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These wiki articles are not really meant to be man pages (they may later even have various stuff added that would not go on a man page), although that does not mean we cannot have man pages too. < 1494094310 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, examples probably will help. < 1494094359 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can think of what might be good example, we can add them. This is anyone-writing wiki, and we can add links and examples and whatever other information, including stuff you might not want in a man page. < 1494094526 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. that is indeed what I meant. < 1494094532 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, “Josephine the human zombie”. mwah ah ah.) < 1494094610 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494094717 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1494094766 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1494094777 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "josephine the human zombie" < 1494094779 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1494094835 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: "hmm" as in "I'm curious but not sure whether I really want to know what that is about". < 1494094932 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it turned up http://www.uwindsor.ca/conference/zombies/309/josephine-richards < 1494094956 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also tell me if there are other kind of headerless bitwise formats that you think could be fit into this program but that are not yet included, if you know of some other that may be in use. < 1494095041 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: playing DCSS, nothing unusual ^^ < 1494095073 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1494095083 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google dcss < 1494095084 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/ < 1494095084 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup < 1494095096 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... that wasn't the first hit *here*. < 1494095102 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1494095103 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1494095128 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I got "California Department of Child Support Services" < 1494095175 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? dcss < 1494095176 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcss? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1494095184 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Dungean Content Scrambling System ) < 1494095190 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dungeon < 1494095635 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1494096751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a description of "Aamber Pegasus" computer; the ROM has four programming languages (BASIC, Pascal, Forth, and assembler), as well as three games, and a word processor, as well as the BIOS; additional software could be loaded from cassettes. Also it does video by executing NOPs on the CPU and using its instruction counter; this is another kind of cheap video. < 1494097028 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494097372 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dhflnvvfapagnzup JOIN :#esoteric < 1494097854 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1494097855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial order//A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category. < 1494099153 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1494099283 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: PROTRACTED CHICKEN < 1494099920 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:968:ce2c:34e2:ee61 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1494100120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the hacking *claims* are a last minute lie by Mācrōn, to make people think Le Pen is a russian spy? < 1494100212 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\, that'd have a way too high chance of backfiring, especially when he's been leading the polls < 1494100261 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how big was the rom and is there a dump of it somewhere online? < 1494100353 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I don't know, although I read that it has multiple banks which you must switch between to use different programs. < 1494100410 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is not that unusual. If you think about it a bit, that is what modern memory does with CAS and RAS registers. < 1494100448 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know it is not unusual. < 1494100466 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although a small ROM would not need bank switching) < 1494100508 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the NES games used bank switching < 1494100560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, other than the mapper 0 (NROM) cartridges < 1494100898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImmutableTreeListᐸElementTᐳ < 1494100904 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImmutableTreeList < 1494100981 0 :augur!~augur@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494101250 0 :augur!~augur@74-95-6-5-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494101314 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494101825 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03H3amza 5* 10New user account < 1494102303 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51872&oldid=51865 5* 03H3amza 5* (+97) 10/* Introductions */ < 1494103968 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rao14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51873 5* 03H3amza 5* (+185) 10added initial stub. more to follow < 1494104059 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51874&oldid=51852 5* 03H3amza 5* (+10) 10/* R */ added rao to list < 1494104174 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1494104384 0 :handicraftsman!?@? NICK :qwer < 1494104483 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1494105818 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1494105966 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494106199 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rao14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51875&oldid=51873 5* 03H3amza 5* (+2025) 10added keyword list. < 1494106697 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rao14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51876&oldid=51875 5* 03H3amza 5* (+369) 10added hello world example < 1494108001 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-113-44.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1494108096 0 :Slereah__!~Slereah@ALille-651-1-3-237.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1494108121 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494108372 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494108450 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1494108909 0 :qwer!~ancient@unaffiliated/handicraftsman QUIT :Quit: Курите маны и читайте доки < 1494110074 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494110153 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1494110335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1494110523 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/bcrypt/status/860954121242681344 < 1494111482 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8ngks11k7ib9.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1494112320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1494112539 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :...can't seem to log in on the wiki < 1494112557 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wasn't using https < 1494112634 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: re http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=ffbit => I find this confusing. Either it doesn't do what I want with raw formats, or I don't understand the description. < 1494112732 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like imagemagick's handling of raw formats: you choose separately (1) the list and order of color channels, like gray, rgb, rgba, 0bgr (2) bit depth per color channel, like 8 or 16, and < 1494112798 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) the interlacing, as in, the different channels for the same pixel are right after one another, or a single channel for a full row is listed before the next channel starts (rare), or a single channel of the whole image is listed before the next channel starts. < 1494112856 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also ways to handle common headerless YUV formats (which are usually page-interlaced and can have color subsampling, as in, the UV channels can have less resolution than the Y), and headerless bayer. < 1494112899 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also ffmpeg, which does it completely differently: it only has a single parameter for the colorspace of raw images, but that one is a large enum that covers all the commonly used formats. < 1494112902 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: This program is only for bitwise paletted raw formats. < 1494112924 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, this only does paletted? it can't do rgb (true color) at all? < 1494112931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To support what you are looking for another program can be written for that purpose. < 1494112950 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes. To support RGB it can be another program to implement that. < 1494112970 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I'll probably just keep using imagemagick or ffmpeg for that. I don't think have to go through farbfeld utils for that. < 1494113008 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you do not use it yourself, I still think it could be helpful to add a program for headerless RGB formats too. < 1494113111 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This program does implement Hold-And-Modify though.) < 1494113209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Rao14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51877&oldid=51876 5* 03H3amza 5* (+1304) 10added ascii characterization. < 1494113319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if ffbit only writes paletted formats, I think you should mention that in that wiki page, in the first line where it says "various headerless bitwise formats" < 1494113331 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let me try to understand what this says again, knowing that < 1494113341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fixed. < 1494113347 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should say "various headerless uncompressed paletted formats" < 1494113383 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I fixed that too now. < 1494113449 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fourth command-line argument is the palette? < 1494113462 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fourth and subsequent arguments are the palette. < 1494113479 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like one color per argument? < 1494113489 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It does say "two or more colour specifications (as separate arguments)". < 1494113489 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1494113496 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1494113520 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I don't have much need for rare paletted formats. < 1494113524 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1494113530 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for raw paletted formast < 1494113557 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples could be made to clarify it a bit, I suppose. < 1494113571 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use 8-bit paletted often, for writing png, because png is a very widely supported format, and due to the way it works, it compresses paletted way better than rgb for most pictures. < 1494113586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not raw paletted, it's compressed. < 1494113604 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG (which ffpng uses) will automatically do that when applicable. < 1494113608 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I sometimes use black and white, but I think of that as 1-bit grayscale rather than paletted. < 1494113675 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LodePNG will also automatically know to use 8-bits-per-channel or 16-bits-per-channel, and whether or not to include the alpha channel. < 1494113725 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but the hard part is computing the palette and converting a true color image to paletted, in various ways. < 1494113766 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/tktview?name=e5fa2ac6e9 is the first half, and ImageMagick is quite versatile in the second part < 1494113807 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supports different color metric and dithering, and those options do matter, for different images or uses you want different settings < 1494113820 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some dithering vs no dithering is the most important < 1494113824 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I partially wrote "ff-palette" program although the algorithm that is currently implemented is not very good; if you have better idea how to fix them then please to make the contributions too! < 1494113846 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dithering is the most common setting, but sometimes dithering is important < 1494113860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do intend that the feature request mentioned there will be implemented.) < 1494113862 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I'm having a caffiene overdose < 1494113883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already have an ff-palette ? let me look < 1494113884 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drank too many experimental coffee drinks < 1494113887 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that to reduce the picture to the specified palette, a different program (ff-reduce) is used; the program ff-palette is only deciding the palette. < 1494113896 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1494113931 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to the things you specify (which are good), I would also want to be able to add into ff-palette the ability to support HAM and EHB modes too. < 1494113938 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can separate those steps in imagemagick too. (you can do it together too if you wish, but it lets you do both of them separately. < 1494113974 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost. the trick is that you don't give a palette as an input, just a set of colors for the palette. it is free to determine the order and remove dups and unused colors.) < 1494114050 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity there's so little docs for these farbfeld programs < 1494114087 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see this ff-reduce first < 1494114114 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is too bad; currently there is only this http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/farbfeld.ui/wiki?name=Documentation and the "bit" converter is the only one whose link works on that documentation page. You are free to help to write the documentation if you want to though; it is anyone-writing wiki. < 1494114710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1494114769 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1494114788 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a better question? < 1494114814 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this parse_color thing, like, return an uninitialized Color if the input isn't a color string, and main can call parse_color that way? < 1494114846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it does; perhaps it should be an error message instead. I can fix that now. < 1494114847 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1494114848 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a bad idea < 1494114870 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if no error message, it should at least return black or some other valid color < 1494114895 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's literally a three character fix < 1494114915 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :change Color c; to Color c={0}; < 1494114918 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, four character < 1494114922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too much of a C++ person < 1494114978 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I fixed that. < 1494114983 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for noting that < 1494115010 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try using compiler warnings to catch this stuff < 1494115037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, although the compiler will also warn about many things that I do not want it to worn < 1494115047 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some M:tG rules questions, and I wonder if I should ask them now when I'm tired and ais isn't here, or later. < 1494115058 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do both! < 1494115069 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, so disable all the warnings you don't want. that's what compiler switches are for. < 1494115188 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-56-48.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes, and it is what I did (you can see at the top of the file). Still, there can be false-positives and false-negatives and so on