< 1493856008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so + 2 : 3 4 → +2 : 3 4 → +2 +2 3 4 → (give 7 and then 4 to the operator below) < 1493856010 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't know which numbers correspond to functions or arguments < 1493856030 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be distinctly different from the stack generalisation of postfix < 1493856044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ 2 : 3 is equivalent to 7 < 1493856051 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that does seem to make some amount of logic when you think about it < 1493856089 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1493856137 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in postfix notation, the operands are all nilary, the operators therefore have to have higher arity (some can be unary but at least one must be binary) < 1493856162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in prefix notation, with nilary operators, the operands therefore become polyary, consuming a number of operators based on how many operands those operators are missing < 1493856182 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried to write artistic obfuscated code in terminfo definition, which is a non-eso language, especially the part with the percent escapes stack language that terminfo uses to turn a command and list of arguments to a term-specific output string? < 1493856197 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just reminded to this because it's a stack-based language < 1493856202 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sort of < 1493856209 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a simple general purpose language with a stack too < 1493856224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely stack-based because many commands take arguments from the stack < 1493856238 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense of postscript or forth < 1493856408 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that sort an APL-like syntax, where tokens can denote values, functions, or operators (which are high-precedence functions), functions know how many arguments they take and those arguments are values and written after the function, < 1493856437 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but operators also know how many arguments they take and those arguments are values or functions and you write those arguments before the operator, < 1493856449 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need brackets only if an operator takes an argument that is a function call? < 1493856456 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; I thought APL was more rigid parsing-wise, though < 1493856481 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's a pretty reasonable syntax (actual APL syntax is more complicated, because it has both functions that take arguments on left and right side, and operators that take arguments on left and right side, but ignore that part now) < 1493856496 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps forget the APL part for a moment, and look at only the description I said < 1493856567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sort of the general syntax I want, only I want many levels of precedence, not only three < 1493856589 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(a(:)~*^:^):^ < 1493856590 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1493856593 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1493856614 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a(:)~*^:^):^ < 1493856615 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1493856633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a(:S:)~*^:^):^ < 1493856634 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ...too much output! < 1493856705 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a(::::)~*^:^):^ < 1493856706 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1493856710 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a(::::::::)~*^:^):^ < 1493856711 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1493856714 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(a(::::::::::::)~*^:^):^ < 1493856715 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack! < 1493856717 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1493856727 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the point here is that you can write an Underload program that leaks stack < 1493856741 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something that's nonsensical in an APL-alike < 1493856749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that you can manpulate the stack directly < 1493856767 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1493856845 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J has rules so that even though you can't determine the parse tree of an expression in advance, in every reduction step you either get an error or the number of symbols on the stack decreases, so you can't grow the stack up < 1493856951 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493857032 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's the C preprocessor which lets you get more tokens from fewer tokens and blow up an expression that way < 1493857057 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do crazy token string manipulation tricks with it < 1493857067 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C preprocessor has no way to write a loop other than self-inclusion, though < 1493857102 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not an infinite loop maybe, but it lets you write very long non-infinite loops easily < 1493857114 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "easily" in an eso sense at least < 1493857117 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been done < 1493857142 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know those preprocessor manipulation things in the boost preprocessor library and the P99 library, right? < 1493857200 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and macros can expand to commas or unbalanced parenthesis, which makes the whole thing appear similar to stack manipulation in those stack manip languages where you can't determine the parse tree without running the program < 1493857262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1493857319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know those preprocessor tricks, you should look at them, because it's interesting in an eso sense: while the preprocessor isn't eso intent, it is sort of a tarpit, where it can do much more than it was designed to do < 1493857322 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like tex < 1493857344 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's restricted, so you need crazy tricks to do useful things, and there are a lot of things you want to do that you can't for syntax reasons < 1493857345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that tex was intentionally TC < 1493857349 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to choose encodings wisely < 1493857365 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, TeX is intentionally TC, but the details of how you program it is tricky < 1493857377 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, TC is easy if you choose how you represent your data < 1493857398 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't want to do everything on a numeric array, because that's slow and inconvenient to input < 1493857416 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so writing complicated programs gets interesting (in the obfu sense) in TeX < 1493857614 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TeX is a much more closed language than say C++ or rust, in the sense that when some convenient feature can't be reasonably implemented in TeX but could be implemented by changing the TeX engine itself, people very rarely dare to change it. < 1493857649 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are radical TeX derivatives like luaTeX, but they don't spread as much as modern versions of C++ < 1493857652 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an old thing, and sort of unrelated to the current discussion, but if you never happened to come across it: https://tgceec.tumblr.com/ < 1493857670 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I've seen that < 1493857688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it (although I've seen an equivalent contest on PPCG) < 1493857689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was probably discussed on #esoteric, at that. < 1493857729 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they ever post the 2015 results? < 1493857755 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not, just the "results thus far" post. < 1493857759 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extreme amount of error messages they get is amazing, but the general idea of error message blow up is familiar to anyone who tries to use MSVC or older versions of gcc, < 1493857765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes you even see it in modern gcc < 1493857785 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a bug report about a particular case when gcc gives some stupid meaningless shit for some program error < 1493857808 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been dabbling with C++ for fun lately, and it still seems to be quite easy to get a few hundred lines of errors even for simple things. < 1493857829 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493857835 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh sure, the challenge is to do that without templates < 1493857874 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without using the fact that if you include a few headers, you get a thousand overloads for operator<< or similar, so you get a long list of suggested overloads for a function overload choice failure < 1493857874 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what I mostly got (for not trying) was long lists of funcion overload candidates when what I tried to call didn't quite match anything. < 1493857880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1493857890 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed. :) < 1493857936 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ways to get long error scrolls is to make one typo early in the file and then the compiler misunderstands the whole thing. MSVC is specifically very bad at this, modern compilers are getting better but even they can't ever be perfect at that, < 1493857973 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they'd have to guess the craziest typos you can make, like when a word you use a hundred times should be a typename but is declared as a variable instead < 1493857984 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when you leave a left brace open < 1493858070 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was my gcc bug report (resolved, though not perfectly to my satisfaction): https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=58363 < 1493858087 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc prints 13 lines of errors and none of them tells the single real error in the program, which is a missing parenthesis pair < 1493858101 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it should be able to tell that that's the error from purely the syntax < 1493858160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was unnoticed or low priority because it's a case that almost never comes up in non-obfu programs < 1493858239 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minimal test case is complicated and unlikely in real code < 1493858255 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but possible nonetheless < 1493858288 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1493858336 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493858416 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after they fixed it, the error message is still nonsense and doesn't tell the real error, but at least it doesn't contain an internal oops (as in an almost internal-compiler-error) barf in it < 1493858440 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1493858464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering if naming the pseudodestructor without calling it makes sense < 1493858480 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. just «m.~f;» < 1493858491 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gcc error messages imply that gcc thinks that's acceptable < 1493858516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51842&oldid=51841 5* 03JHM 5* (-2) 10/* Non-wrapping */ < 1493858596 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not currently, but it's not unreasonable to think that it is. there's a nonstandard gcc extension to C++ that lets you name an object and a member function together without calling it (to do the virtual method dispatch now but call later and possibly multiple times), and this could be expanded to cover destructors (which can be virtual too) < 1493858654 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but currently naming the pseudodestructor doesn't make sense, and usually you get a less crazy error message if you try it, which is why I needed this ugly testcase involving an operator and a typedef for a builtin type < 1493858661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/builtin/scalar/ < 1493858681 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an operator/an overloaded operator/ < 1493858722 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get this bug if you try to put the pseudo-destructor-non-call into most other contexts < 1493858812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to try to name a destructor for a type that is known at compile time to be a scalar type (not just for a dependent type variable that may be a scalar type in some substitution), which you rarely do in real code < 1493858827 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't ask why, I don't know how gcc internals work < 1493858848 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this was many years ago, they have rewritten like half of gcc since < 1493859183 0 :tromp!~tromp@148.75.196.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493859568 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, going back to the NP-complete lexer, I have an idea for how this poetry with word shared between adjacent lines could work < 1493859575 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a bit strained, but eh, #esoteric < 1493859669 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foklorist goes to record epic songs sang by bards before they're lost. Song is Kalevala-style, sang alternatingly by two bards prompting each other, and alliterating. < 1493859746 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever song changes from one bard to the other, last line of previous bard must have a word that alliterates with a word in first line of next bard, where we define alliteration as the [vowel]*[consonant]-prefix of the words being equal. < 1493859808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1493859824 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493859934 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For better acoustics, folklorist decides to use two phonographs, one for each bard. Recording media is expensive. So whenever the older bard sings, the folklorist records it with his phonograph to his wax cylinders, and whenever the younger bard sings, the folklorist's assistant (who does all the hard work but gets none of the awards) records it wi < 1493859934 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :th his phonograph on his wax cylinders. < 1493859978 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recording media also comes in many small pieces, so they often change cylinders. They forgot to label the cylinders in advance, and don't have time to do it during the performance. < 1493860033 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The editor Mr. Lexer (another assistant who does all the hard work and gets none of the awards) has to listen to all the cylinders afterwards and put them in proper order so the replies alliterate to their prompts. < 1493860122 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that a single cylinder can have a sequence of multiple adjacent prompts and replies sang by one side. < 1493860207 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Lexer will have to solve a problem that could in theory encode a general graph Hamilton-path problem, though in practice it won't be that difficult computationally (and will be difficult for reasons other than computational complexity of the Hamilton thing) < 1493860232 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This lexing is the first stage, because the interesting part continues when you listen to the whole epic, properly sorted. < 1493860250 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that sound good enough for an NP-complete lexer/ < 1493860296 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did esolangs have elaborate backstories? :-D < 1493860301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, some of cpressey's do) < 1493860376 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: some of the IOCCC ones do, like that babbage thingy (where each statement is one of x+=y, x-=y, x*=y, x/=y where x and y are variables0 < 1493860385 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@96-68-128-250-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493860417 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thematic ones like chef and Piet and Shakespeare also sort of have back stories < 1493860445 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course many of the more recent ICFP languages have very elaborate back stories too < 1493860453 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda: the Gathering or the sand computer < 1493860454 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1493860520 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many non-eso languages also have elaborate back stories for why they have such features that you can understand only with decades of historical reasons of compatibility with previous versions < 1493860541 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but those aren't normally constructed with entertainment as a goal < 1493860542 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x86 or some of the strange C++ syntax things < 1493860584 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those languages that aren't eso but become tarpits, like openttd signals or TeX, they do have back stories too for why they have features that seem to make general purpose programming so difficult < 1493860636 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"entertainment as a goal" => that much is nicely two-layered, with the meta-story about the bard and the story the bard sings < 1493860786 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's somewhat questionable if you can call this lexing < 1493861078 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even Game of Life, which is definitely an esolang, has some back story about bacteria that are multiplying and dying form overcrowding < 1493861166 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very elaborate, but it is there < 1493861236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean INTERCAL has an elaborate backstory of "the opposite of everything languages did circa '74" < 1493861262 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then, though, it's clearly shaped by the languages at the time < 1493861277 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything is < 1493861304 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to make something that's truly alien to everything done before < 1493861357 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, three star programmer is pretty weird :-D < 1493861560 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird yes, but definitely not alien, not after other esolangs that are one-instruction (or few instructions) and operate on a random-addressable vector of fixints < 1493861592 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just more elegant than most of those in some sense, because it's so simple < 1493861627 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much more constrained (tarpit) than the other comparably simple ones < 1493861817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Is It Art? also seems to avoid nearly all the rules of a typical programming language < 1493861836 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its syntax is inherently 2D, it doesn't have commands, it doesn't have any sort of data storage or loop < 1493861842 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's a better example < 1493861859 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have an evaluation order < 1493861872 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only is the syntax 2D, but the execution is also 2D and nondeterministic < 1493861883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it, like, executes in two time dimensions < 1493861893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks on a very preliminary skim to be a similar concept to TC wang tilings < 1493861910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's basically a tarpit of that category of languages < 1493861924 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom: yes, it's a generalization of those < 1493862057 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's Forte, which surfacially look very similar to an ordinary language, but when you try to write programs for it, it turns out there's some crazy twist that makes it difficult. < 1493862069 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those languages are fun too < 1493862071 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1493862077 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call Forte alien, though < 1493862080 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the familiarity is part of the joke < 1493862092 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's not alien < 1493862139 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, in some sense counter machines are like that too, if you introduce them as multi-tape turing machines where the tape alphabet only has one symbol < 1493862202 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more like one writable symbol, plus one symbol that marks the beginning of the tape, which is totally realistic, because real magnetic tape drives can detect the beginning of the tape when rewinding in a way other than reading symbols from the tape) < 1493862219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crossed my mind that Minsky machines are technically a brainfuck derivative (just with reverse causality) < 1493862254 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1493862278 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know how they're brainfuck derivatives (with fixed size tape of bigints), but why reverse causality? < 1493862297 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they came first < 1493862319 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! reverse causality in the history of languages, not in execution < 1493862320 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1493862344 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of reverse causality in the sense that it is modeled by nondeterministic execution or something < 1493862443 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like how 8086 is a derivative of 8088 with reverse causality, because technically 8086 was first, 8088 is simpler and cheaper and got well spread to consumers because of the IBM PC. < 1493862450 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493862546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8086 clearly looks like an advanced 8088 with 16-bit memory access < 1493862678 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sort of hardware simplification has happened before the x86 too, like with those simplified 6502 variants < 1493862812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reality, if you're watching not as a tunnel visioned software guy like me, the 8088 really is a better 8086, because it requires a much simpler hardware interface to use (and is a bit less performant in exchange) < 1493864173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493864387 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1493864769 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? why would someone consider zsh a bourne-like shell as opposed to a tcsh-like shell? to me, the most important distinguishing feature between those is that a bourne-like or posix-likeshell does word splitting after it expands a parameter like $foo , whereas tcsh and zsh doesn't. < 1493864795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be wrong though, because I don't use tcsh or zsh much. < 1493864803 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember how they work. < 1493864849 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write bash and posix sh scripts mostly without referencing a manual, but can't do that for zsh or tcsh. < 1493864967 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's possible that I just think of those shells as bash-like and non-bash-like. < 1493864990 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone who knows about csh and zsh and posix-like sh pipe in? < 1493865082 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, it's sort of a high bar, but we're on #esoteric ) < 1493865264 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a tcsh user 15-20 years ago, and zsh was the default shell at the university, but I've entirely forgotten the subtleties. It was just too easy to default to bash. < 1493865348 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zsh is cool, it's almost certainly a better shell than bash, but I decided not to bother learning it because if I want to write a program where the difference between shells matter, then I use perl or some other non-shell language < 1493867244 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shells are all pretty terrible languages in which to write anything nontrivial. The guy I work for just had an incident where he replaced some double quotes with single quotes in a client's bash script, and it ended up doing rm -rf / and wiping out his home directory on that machine (thankfully it happened on a machine that didn't have much of interest on it at the time). < 1493867334 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses tclsh if he can get away with it ;-Þ < 1493867443 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a shell user's point of view, zsh and bash have converged a bit over time; zsh has acquired many bash compatibility settings (including for word splitting) and bash has acquired many zsh features (such as programmable completion) < 1493867477 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2603:3024:1006:100:cca8:d97a:5f69:30d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493867576 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whoever decided that unbound variables ought to be interpolated as the empty string was not thinking very clearly at the time.) < 1493867609 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure you can come up with a haskell program where the same replacement has the same effect < 1493867651 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be pretty tricky to contrive it... the issue was that there was an interpolation in that string which actually set the value of another variable at the same time < 1493867681 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then later, that variable was used in the path to rm < 1493867753 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a script that was not written in the sensible subset of bash < 1493867785 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@2603:3024:1006:100:cca8:d97a:5f69:30d0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1493867786 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, that subset is pretty small, and probably not obvious to novices) < 1493867793 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1493867807 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the script didn't *look* insane or anything < 1493867882 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing quote marks is not a safe operation in most languages, though, so I don't know why one would do it? < 1493867908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51843&oldid=51837 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+2) 10/* Common Lisp */ Bugfix < 1493868023 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I didn't ask. I think he'd completely missed the fact that there was any variable expansion going on in that string at all. < 1493868166 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:694:cc33:fe5:2193:3a2b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other silly thing is that rm doesn't actually check that it will succeed before beginning to delete stuff. < 1493868639 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf / is special-cased nowadays < 1493868749 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting, because you'd imagine that people would unintentionally rm all sorts of other things, but no, only the infamous / is detected < 1493868999 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! 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It shouldn't be negative, but Sgeo is trying to break maths. \ lazy//La \ nitia//nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented < 1493872669 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1493872670 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3:her. \ hydra//http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , dire: http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory: http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.org < 1493872680 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1493872680 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem < 1493872688 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: Done! < 1493872698 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh goody < 1493872713 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleffy: 0.4999923707218823 < 1493872740 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1493872951 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493873230 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493874205 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493874256 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1493874602 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1493875962 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493876008 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493876421 0 :Mayoi!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1493876438 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1493876439 0 :Mayoi!?@? NICK :erkin < 1493877579 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493878130 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493878309 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1493878654 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493878979 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493879172 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493880725 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1493881189 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493881210 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493881489 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493883211 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a9e9:7578:fa7a:a525 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493884902 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493885168 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1493885205 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493885316 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493887292 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1493889189 0 :Riviera!Riviera@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::10:b001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493890100 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conal.net/papers/compiling-to-categories/compiling-to-categories.pdf is a paper I found interesting < 1493890435 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he finally published it. < 1493890440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to ICFP? < 1493891115 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493891602 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1493892088 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493892337 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493892962 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze2tknlkay6ygy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1493893274 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, if I can, which is unlikely < 1493893330 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why/ < 1493893334 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$/?/ < 1493893462 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how much do tickets cost < 1493893641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I guess registration isn't open yet. < 1493893697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like student early tickets for all of ICFP in 2016 cost $300. < 1493893710 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, $360. < 1493894231 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add to that transport (thankfully it's not overseas for me this year, but it's still a journey) and accommodation < 1493894308 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're practically next door. < 1493894323 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go for one day to see conal's talk. < 1493894387 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a five hour journey by train < 1493894423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Hexham? < 1493894452 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is. < 1493894462 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of scow. < 1493894590 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to be based in York after June < 1493894595 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also not be a student < 1493894672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you might be a PhD student at Oxford? < 1493894679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make it very convenient. < 1493894702 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also rather unlikely < 1493894747 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, of course I mean DPhil. < 1493894795 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering my prospective final grade, still rather unlikely < 1493894839 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Something just down the road from me. Interesting < 1493894868 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame there's no way my wife would approve of me spending that much money to go :P < 1493894972 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nistur, ICFP? < 1493894988 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1493894997 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also on my birthday < 1493895020 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think you could potentially convince your wife to let someone you met on the internet stay for a week over your birthday < 1493895038 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm about 30 minutes up M40 from Oxford. I've done the trundle down to Oxford several times) < 1493895041 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1493895048 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a serious request) < 1493895053 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably could < 1493895060 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leamington Spa? < 1493895075 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a friend in Abingdon who I'd call on first < 1493895090 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bing bing bing. Points. Although I actually live in Coventry because house prices in Leamington are stupid < 1493895110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are house prices in Leamington like? < 1493895116 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Phantom_Hoover in Coventry? < 1493895118 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost London prices < 1493895124 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can look it up. < 1493895154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 bedroom semi-detached house for sale" "£200,000 Guide Price" < 1493895166 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can't be London prices, surely. < 1493895178 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a 2 bedroom house in a cul-de-sac with a garden in a nice part of Coventry for £125. That would barely have got me a 1 bed flat in most parts of Leamington < 1493895181 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1493895185 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1493895194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this website isn't reliable. < 1493895195 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends what parts of Leamington you're looking at < 1493895225 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do house prices scale linearly in the number of bedrooms, absent other factors? < 1493895254 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not wanting to be overly snobby) but you don't really want to buy in South Leamington... and anything in North will cost you more < 1493895260 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :*£125k < 1493895305 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cheap. < 1493895319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bay area is pretty scow in this respect. < 1493895329 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be impossible to ignore other factors, I mean, you can't split rooms indefinitely < 1493895354 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the size of the house has to affect it too < 1493895378 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise... probably yes < 1493895419 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess that house prices are primarily affected by land prices, which are primarily affected by location and size. < 1493895446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of bedrooms is probably loosely correlated with size. < 1493895493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is more true around here where land prices are ridiculous so the houses themselves are often comparably cheap. < 1493895542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But what do I know.) < 1493895594 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/leamington-spa/?price_max=130000&price_min=120000&q=Leamington%20Spa%2C%20Warwickshire&results_sort=newest_listings&search_source=home There are only two places actually around Leamington for that price range... one is a retirement house which looks like it might be a mobile home, bricked in... and the other one is a 1 bed flat < 1493895658 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-66040934.html < 1493895667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was the first Google search result so it's probably unreliable. < 1493895683 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seo = scow engine optimization < 1493895795 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :rightmove is reliable < 1493895816 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lillington is a little bit outside of Leamington though < 1493895927 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite London prices, you're right... but in Coventry, a similar property is easily £50k cheaper in a similarly nice location < 1493895932 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1493895946 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work in Leamington though < 1493895971 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :London prices. :( < 1493895982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway as far as I can tell you can't find anything around here for less than, say, $600k. < 1493896000 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'd be likely to buy real estate anyway? < 1493896015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But complaining about real estate prices is a popular activity. < 1493896021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could complain about rent prices instead. < 1493896181 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like London prices may be roughly the same neighborhood? < 1493896201 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :with renting the technique of splitting rooms becomes possible, though perhaps not indefinitely < 1493896230 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If price is linear in number of rooms, splitting can be a profitable strategy. < 1493896248 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could rent a bunk for half of each day < 1493896272 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fabled rental time-division multiplexing) < 1493896280 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK's smallest castle is for sale at £550k, said the news the other day. < 1493896290 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/uks-smallest-castle-sale-550000/ < 1493896291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that theory has been debunked hth < 1493896435 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :would purchasing that count as a defensive investment? < 1493896466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493896466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1493896466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1493896512 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I lived in London, I had a friend that rented a room... it was just a little larger than a single bed (as in, he could just about stand beside the bed) and it was in a... not great part of London (although, not overly crappy either) and it cost him £90/week I think < 1493896585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rented a pretty small room in East Palo Alto (a not great part of silly valley, people would probably call it) for a similar price. < 1493896596 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was somewhat bigger, though. < 1493896711 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You could have bought a nuclear missile silo in NY for a similar price: https://www.zillow.com/blog/house-of-the-week-missile-silo-home-66159/ < 1493896733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Missile not included.) < 1493897082 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen that guy who's bought a missile silo and is youtubing videos of cleaning it up? < 1493897113 0 :Nistur!nistur@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-rnqcaafhnzcmavqh PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm... "Death Wears Bunny Slippers" the channel is called < 1493897644 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yanebzazeubanhjv QUIT : < 1493897666 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gijttfnvtsaftvuk JOIN :#esoteric < 1493897707 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493898369 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: nostril. < 1493898369 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: we're going down hard and fast and. < 1493898395 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: indeed. my nostrils aren't working. or working too much. either way, fscking allergies. < 1493898395 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: can anyone point out a particularly clean vm implemented in c < 1493898478 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, are you taking anything for them? < 1493898508 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle. yes, loratadine. < 1493898547 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:: PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good, I hope things get easier for you < 1493898719 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thaneb ^^ < 1493900621 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:843:f62a:e4ac:1983 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493900890 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:843:f62a:e4ac:1983 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1493900933 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: VESTIGIAL CHICKEN < 1493901931 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a9e9:7578:fa7a:a525 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1493902140 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-198-189.omni.lt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493902484 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-208-23.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1493902981 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493903256 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493904741 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493906430 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493908558 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493909830 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493909892 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1493909899 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493911941 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b156:2f65:6dcd:cdeb JOIN :#esoteric < 1493912211 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b156:2f65:6dcd:cdeb QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1493912551 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b156:2f65:6dcd:cdeb JOIN :#esoteric < 1493913236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1493914163 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493914253 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1493917413 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1493917808 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-208-23.omni.lt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493917820 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1493919204 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1493919343 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gijttfnvtsaftvuk QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493919861 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9571:cd9d:ab8b:260a JOIN :#esoteric < 1493920003 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eobpxedblvsqotzx JOIN :#esoteric < 1493920978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1493921429 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-24-7-67-0.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493922058 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:9571:cd9d:ab8b:260a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493923739 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b156:2f65:6dcd:cdeb QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1493925103 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493925382 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1493925575 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493925890 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnkeixiknfnqtizb JOIN :#esoteric < 1493926209 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493926236 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gooejuzszpfssykf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493926271 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-hhubtvequyjfonqg JOIN :#esoteric < 1493926340 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1493927313 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493928212 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1493928655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1493928869 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1493928986 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1493929928 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493929930 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have to admit that the tower was quite unexpected (and no I didn't solve that level yet) < 1493929941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Great Tower? < 1493929955 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the level I was on last time I played the game (which was a few weeks ago, before I lost my computer). < 1493929964 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I've now found so I should get back to it.) < 1493929975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to cook all the sausages but then I was stuck on the ledge. < 1493929991 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the great tower < 1493930646 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really try... there's another level on that island that is unsolved here (Twisty Farm), which is easier to think about < 1493931093 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not anymore. < 1493931344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a few others on that island. I should keep going on that game sometime. < 1493931660 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-208-23.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1493931672 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-208-23.omni.lt QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1493931741 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493931752 0 :Remavas!~Remavas@md-188-69-198-12.omni.lt JOIN :#esoteric < 1493932090 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493932248 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1493932343 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493932348 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1493932485 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1493932677 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493932846 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1493932900 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@38.125.127.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493933296 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@38.125.127.130 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1493933383 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493933734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1493934388 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493934425 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493934497 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1493934944 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1493934944 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1493935525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493935525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1493935525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1493935733 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493935986 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493936282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1493938401 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1493938448 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26ze2tknlkay6ygy.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1493938629 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1493938776 0 :hppavilion[1]!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-83.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493938806 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493938868 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1493938868 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1493939178 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1493939226 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.4 < 1493939348 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493939351 0 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1493939351 0 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1493940286 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493940593 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1493941125 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1493941307 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1493941637 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1493941650 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math//Math class is tough! < 1493941848 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg math < 1493941858 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10653:2017-04-13 ` cd wisdom; sed -i \'s/ $//\' `grwp -l \' $\' | grep -v rules` \ 6426:2015-12-19 le/rn math/Math class is tough! < 1493942037 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules < 1493942038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1493942056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rules of wisdom < 1493942057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation < 1493942069 0 :sleffy!~sleffy@c-73-252-231-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1493942070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp even more < 1493942079 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ichtymology:Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy. \ vampire:Vampires are a wizarding myth Professor Lupin invented to make students hate Professor Snape even more, after Professor Snape almost made the students realize he's a werewolf. < 1493942112 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1493942114 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for further details.//See `? for further details for futher details. < 1493942117 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1493942118 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :football//A football is a ball made of feet. It was rdocscovered in an old burial site near a graveyard full of footless zombies. < 1493942123 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloochaf, he\\oren\. < 1493942134 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? for futher details < 1493942135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for futher details? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1493942154 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1493942156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nimby//NIMBY : Not in my backyard. < 1493942158 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1493942160 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :webcarting//webcarting is not dissimilar to Mario Kart, but uses real, remote-controlled go-karts. Participants describe it as "the outlandish spectacle of real go-karting combined with the thrill and immersion of Mario Kart".