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00:11:16 <boily> AM ZOMBIE. LONG DAY. HOW'S LIFE?
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00:14:20 <HackEgo> icbm//ICBMs are Crumbling Building Missiles. The I is currently classified.
00:14:43 <HackEgo> inverness//Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative.
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01:11:30 <chatter29> to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
01:11:34 <shachaf> sun is not doing oerjan is doing
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01:11:59 <shachaf> i bear witness that there is no op worthy of worship except oerjan -- oh
01:12:54 <shachaf> oerjan: have you considered +b chatter*!*@* hth
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01:14:44 <ais523> what were you trying to do?
01:14:57 <shachaf> Oh, I guess ais523 is doing too.
01:15:01 <oerjan> ais523: add a ban reason
01:15:15 <ais523> I'm not sure if there is a ban reason field
01:15:16 <oerjan> ("oerjan is not banning", naturally)
01:15:20 <ais523> you can set up a redirect as part of a ban
01:15:31 <shachaf> Only to a channel that exists.
01:15:32 <oerjan> ais523: i vaguely thought $ without # after did that
01:15:46 <ais523> that bot's been attacking hugely many channels
01:15:51 <ais523> so normally Freenode tends to deal with it
01:15:51 <oerjan> but alas, it wants a real channel
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01:16:03 <ais523> you also have to have ops in the target channel
01:16:26 <shachaf> ais523: People in some channel (#freenode?) said it wasn't a bot.
01:16:34 <shachaf> Though I don't remember their evidence for it.
01:16:40 <ais523> just a really dedicated human then?
01:16:46 <oerjan> oh hm i never got it banned
01:16:46 <shachaf> Oh well, so much for banning Lady Chatterley.
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01:17:27 <shachaf> No obscenity in this channel.
01:17:30 <oerjan> the lack of ban reasons is really annoying, we have a huge ban list and i don't remember who half of them are
01:17:44 <oerjan> (also, the fact that the dates keep getting reset on them)
01:18:18 <ais523> search logs for the last messages by people who match the bans?
01:18:21 <ais523> that'd probably explain why they were banned
01:19:51 <boily> why was the hagbard banned again?
01:20:13 <oerjan> ais523: i'm not logging this channel.
01:20:23 <oerjan> and the tunes logs are not googleable.
01:20:30 <shachaf> You don't download the logs?
01:20:40 <ais523> ah, I vaguely assumed you had a local copy of the logs
01:20:43 <ais523> I do of the older ones
01:20:47 <ais523> haven't updated it in a while, though
01:21:06 <shachaf> Fortunately I didn't store IRC logs on it.
01:21:25 <shachaf> Just a bunch of personal information and things.
01:21:47 <oerjan> boily: i think hagb4rd originally got banned for being obscene, or something. but then he kept evading bans forever, so now that's what he's banned for.
01:23:37 <HackEgo> 1/2:einstein//einstein is a germaneau for "a stone" \ source//Sources for HackEgo can be found at https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/multibot + https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox \ cigar//A cigar is either a penis or just a cigar, dependent on Freud's current mood. \ wat//á¢áµá®áµá« ááµá¥ á¨á
01:23:45 <HackEgo> 2/2:á°á« á¨ááᥠá áááµ á²ááᣠá¨áá°á«áá á¨á¤á ááᢠ\ zzo38//zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
01:24:38 <HackEgo> 8242:2016-05-31 <hppavilion[1̈]> learn einstein is a germaneau for "a stone"
01:26:17 <oerjan> 420 is over in this timezone
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02:01:15 <\oren\> this is the culmination of human achievement
02:01:18 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcXsLaYzATM
02:02:20 <HackEgo> f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf --random-source=/dev/urandom -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl
02:02:35 <HackEgo> 9978:2016-12-15 <oerjän> mkx bin/w//wisdom "$@" \ 9977:2016-12-15 <oerjän> rm bin/w \ 9973:2016-12-15 <oerjän> revert \ 9972:2016-12-15 <oerjän> rm bin/w \ 9965:2016-12-15 <oerjän> ` ln -s wisdom bin/w
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02:05:25 <boily> shachaf: oui, mais pourquoi 80?
02:05:46 <fizzie> World's most user-friendly Z80 assembler: silently turns "and a, 123" into "and a".
02:06:38 <ais523> fizzie: does z80's and only take one argument, or something?
02:07:37 <ais523> hmm, normally I'd assume that the other arg is an accumulator in that acse
02:07:40 <fizzie> Unlike some other things like 'add', the 'and' opcode is only capable on targeting the A register, so the syntax is just "and <reg>" or "and <immediate>".
02:07:46 <ais523> but if the accumulator isn't called a, what it is it called?
02:07:59 <ais523> what you meant to write was "and 123", but "and a" is legal-but-useless
02:08:05 <fizzie> Yes. Well, mostly useless.
02:08:32 <fizzie> There's no x86-esque "test" that would *only* set flags.
02:08:33 <shachaf> you should switch to the mill instead hth
02:09:11 <fizzie> Anyway, for most other syntactical errors z80asm does say things like "junk at the end of line", but for this particular one it just silently ignores the second operand.
02:09:16 <ais523> learning about the Mill gave me an inexplicable urge to invent something with the same goals but differing in the details, and better
02:09:25 <ais523> but I didn't get very far on that
02:09:29 <ais523> it did inspire a golflang idea though
02:09:49 <oerjan> . o O ( must...learn...not to click...on \oren\'s links )
02:10:26 <ais523> well, my current browser setup has links on IRC open in the browser which has youtube blocked
02:10:46 <ais523> (I have a second browser which doesn't have youtube blocked, in case I want to look at a video intentionally)
02:10:51 <fizzie> ais523: To add insult to injury, the same assembler also treats "sub a, 123" as "sub 123" instead.
02:11:03 <ais523> this may go some way to explaining why I've never been rickrolled
02:11:08 <\oren\> oerjan: hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha
02:11:13 <ais523> and in fact have only gathered some facts about the rickroll indirectly
02:11:23 <fizzie> ('sub' instruction is in the same boat as 'and'; 'add', 'adc' and 'sbc' are the only ones that need two operands.)
02:11:27 <oerjan> <shachaf> `doag bin/w <-- it was put there to make `5 w simply
02:11:38 <shachaf> oerjan: But why not ln -s?
02:11:41 <\oren\> ais523: in this case is was a video with Kizuna Ai
02:12:16 <shachaf> ais523: You should start a competing startup.
02:13:03 <ais523> nah, I already have way too much work on my hands, and I have a suspicion that I can't do better than the Mill by myself and couldn't do significantly better even with a whole company behind me
02:13:16 <shachaf> You should join the Mill project.
02:15:13 <ais523> isn't it proprietary? I have enough to do as it is
02:15:29 <ais523> and helping out a proprietary project without being paid to do so doesn't seem like a good use of my time
02:15:37 <oerjan> shachaf: because ln -s sometimes breaks in HackEgo, so i avoid it in bin/ where it's never really needed
02:15:44 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9EqgXBbMAc
02:16:38 <shachaf> kmc: you should watch some of the mill videos with all your spare time, they're great
02:16:55 <ais523> shachaf: whether or not mill succeeds will almost certainly depend on factors other than its actual technical merit
02:17:15 <ais523> you need to be something like 10× better than a competitor to beat them on technical merit alone
02:17:21 <kmc> shachaf: link?
02:17:31 <shachaf> http://millcomputing.com/technology/docs/
02:17:41 <kmc> any particular ones?
02:18:20 <shachaf> Hmm, I think the order they're listed in is pretty good.
02:18:26 <shachaf> I don't remember the details of where everything is discussed.
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03:16:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Serprex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51806&oldid=51782 * Serprex * (+144) codewars: boolfuck in go (my-first-go)
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05:43:13 <Jafet> actually, you can never beat an established architecture on technical merit alone
05:43:50 <Jafet> but risc-v also has some corporate backing, it seems
05:47:28 <Jafet> it also seems like a more boring design than the mill, which might have something to do with that
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05:55:26 <Jafet> hmm, the mill website has also been rewritten to be much more investor-friendly
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06:28:51 <newsham> https://twitter.com/newshtwit/status/855292157686501377
06:30:02 <olsner> hmm, you can write an interpreter for that just by launching android studio and feeding it keypresses
06:30:38 <olsner> and doing "Build and Run" when you reach the end of the file
06:51:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Challenger5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51807&oldid=51379 * Challenger5 * (+13)
06:58:52 <newsham> olsner: yah, thats more or less what i meant.
06:59:12 <newsham> although perhaps renaming key shortcuts with cmd names would make it more readable
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11:35:45 <HackEgo> indentity function//Indentity function is the function that measures how indented source code is.
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11:59:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51808&oldid=51781 * B jonas * (+125)
12:10:08 <HackEgo> b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek.
12:10:48 <boily> b_jonas: b_jellonas. I hope it's valid Hungarian, eh?
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12:22:23 <b_jonas> boily: no. but it's funny because it almost is.
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12:30:47 <FireFly> Égi madár is about the extent of my Hungarian vocabulary
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13:01:32 <myname> so... the single object in the monoid that a monad is... is that the type with the bind function being the arrows to itself?
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13:24:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ð]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51809&oldid=51797 * Rdococ * (+0) /* Overview */ fixed multiplication function
13:36:12 <HackEgo> ¯\(°_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
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14:05:30 <b_jonas> Random story that's worth to read about software reverse-engineering: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/acre.html
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14:25:47 <b_jonas> hkgit03: yes, it's long. if you want shorter, you can go up to http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/ which has some other writeups
14:28:14 <hkgit03> I want to have more time... generally
14:38:05 <rdococ> higit03, HackElo, hiname, HireFly
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15:01:17 <rdococ> `le//rn melon//A melon is a lemon whose spelling is bad.
15:01:19 <HackEgo> Learned 'melon': A melon is a lemon whose spelling is bad.
15:01:41 <rdococ> `le//rn lemon//A lemon is a melon whose spelling is bad.
15:01:43 <HackEgo> Learned 'lemon': A lemon is a melon whose spelling is bad.
15:10:22 <HackEgo> You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW
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15:56:24 <HackEgo> reference is dangling, sorry.
15:56:31 <HackEgo> A pointer is a dog bred to follow instructions.
15:56:46 <rdococ> Ooh, I just had an idea for an esolang.
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16:43:42 <hppavilion[1]> Is there any way that the phrase "just a theory" can make sense?
16:44:16 <hppavilion[1]> [I think natural selection is whatever the probabilistic equivalent of a theorem is]
16:44:45 <hppavilion[1]> [In stato-probability, I think theorems should have fuzziness to their truth]
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17:29:40 <moony> I wonder what the largest HDD/SSD currently in existence is (in GB/TB size (1024 type not 1000))
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17:48:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51810&oldid=51808 * Rdococ * (+1) Fixed formatting.
17:50:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51811&oldid=51802 * Rdococ * (+234)
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17:55:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[K]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51812&oldid=51810 * Rdococ * (+439) /* The K construct */ Added some more information on applying algebra to generalized continued fractions.
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18:00:26 <rdococ> hppavilion[1], hppavilion[1] !
18:00:33 <rdococ> are you the first or second element of an array?
18:01:12 <hppavilion[1]> rdococ: I've already answered. Also, I'm at a science day today.
18:01:49 <rdococ> hold on a second, all I did was greet someone. sure, I said their name three times, but because they weren't too far apart they don't count as separate pings.
18:02:31 <rdococ> sure, I can be a bit over-the-top sometimes, and I admit that, but then?
18:10:26 <rdococ> . o O (x + (x £ y) = x * y)
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18:24:00 <\oren\> how do I make a website show up better on gogle
18:25:59 <\oren\> didn't you wrk for google
18:26:41 <\oren\> how do I make my page show up better when someone searches for "Oren Watson"
18:26:58 <shachaf> Not on search, and if I had any nonpublic information about that I certainly couldn't say it.
18:26:59 <izabera> make interesting content that people will share
18:27:20 <shachaf> I think that's the official line, yes.
18:28:03 <\oren\> ARGH, how can I beat a character from a tv show? ARGH
18:28:36 <izabera> ask a pornstar to tattoo your url on her butt
18:28:50 <\oren\> hmmm that's not a bad idea
18:29:41 <shachaf> Oh, there's a character on a television show?
18:29:51 <shachaf> Better to just change your name. Hope that helps.
18:30:17 <izabera> become a pornstar and tattoo your url on your own butt
18:30:48 <izabera> srsly that's gonna be a revolutionary medium
18:32:09 <int-e> get your name changed
18:32:21 <myname> becoming a pornstar also might increase your popularity without the tattoo
18:32:36 <int-e> . o O ( /nick shachaf2 )
18:32:52 <\oren\> myname: lol as if anyone bothers remembering the names of male pornstars
18:34:01 <b_jonas> \oren\: get a female pornstar become famous under the name Oren Watson and tattoo the url to her butt?
18:34:38 <int-e> . o O ( google: Oren Watson -TV ... --> http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/oren-watson-obituary?pid=1000000166005650 )
18:35:04 <\oren\> Oren "Bubby" Watson, age 66, of Piave
18:35:24 <b_jonas> \oren\: but yes, getting your name changed to something searchable is usually easier
18:35:58 <b_jonas> \oren\: I have a very unusual surname, one that I share with only about a dozen people, all of whom I'm distantly related to, so that happens to be quite searchable
18:36:13 <int-e> \oren\: I gathered that you're not dead either. In any case, I think I find a few hits for you on the first two pages with that query. Fonts. Soundhound.
18:36:18 <b_jonas> the internet is still small enoguh that you can come up with not too long words that are mostly unique to you
18:36:45 <Taneb> Like "raleighgator"
18:39:14 <\oren\> oren watson programmer gets to me
18:39:50 <b_jonas> \oren\: note that what google finds depends a LOT on the interface language ("hl" query parameter) and lots of other not very obvious variables
18:40:10 <b_jonas> many of which are harder to control than the interface language
18:40:27 <myname> what does oren watson sex god lead to?
18:41:18 <\oren\> `google oren watson sex god
18:41:21 <HackEgo> Failed to connect to socket 2. \ \ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Sending HTTP request. \ HTTP request sent; waiting for response. \ Alert!: Unexpected network read error; connection aborted. \ Can't Access `http://google.com/search?q=%6f%72%65%6e%20%77%61%74%73%6f%6e%20%73%65%78%20%67%6f%64' \ Alert!: Unabl
18:41:51 <\oren\> @google oren watson sex god
18:41:54 <lambdabot> http://bakerstreet.wikia.com/wiki/Oren_Watson
18:41:54 <lambdabot> Title: Oren Watson | Baker Street Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia
18:42:30 <int-e> well, that was a better result than I feared.
18:42:31 <Taneb> \oren\, I have a similar problem, "Oren Watson" gives no hits for me whatsoever
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18:43:08 <Taneb> This may be because I have a completely different name
18:45:10 <lambdabot> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triq
18:45:58 <HackEgo> A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten.
18:46:08 <HackEgo> prcorastination//The Prcorastination is detsined to ruel the wolrd... rihgt afetr wacthing thsi lats funny cat clpi on yotuube.
18:46:22 <HackEgo> gotsak//The gotsak ditsims the dohses.
18:47:13 <HackEgo> The gostak distims the doshes.
18:47:42 <int-e> `? procrastination
18:47:43 <HackEgo> The Procrastination is destined to rule the world... right after watching this last funny cat clip on youtube.
18:50:11 <b_jonas> ``` echo wisdom/[pP][rR][oO]*
18:50:12 <HackEgo> wisdom/procrasti wisdom/procrastination wisdom/program wisdom/programmer's googol wisdom/programmers knowing what they're doing wisdom/prography wisdom/progres wisdom/progress bar wisdom/promise problem wisdom/pronounceable c wisdom/prooftechnique wisdom/protocol
18:50:26 <HackEgo> The Procrasti were an ancient people whose nation would have been a great empire if they'd ever got around to it.
18:50:32 <HackEgo> A programmer's googol is equal to 10^100, or 110
18:50:49 <b_jonas> ``` cat wisdom/pro*knowing
18:50:51 <HackEgo> cat: wisdom/pro*knowing: No such file or directory
18:50:52 <b_jonas> ``` cat wisdom/pro*knowing*
18:50:53 <HackEgo> Programmers knowing what they're doing is a hypothetical alien race invoked to justify keeping horrendous traps in programming languages.
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18:51:10 <HackEgo> Progress has been made today. It was invented by Taneb.
18:51:21 <LKoen> in binary, 10^100 = 10000
18:51:34 <b_jonas> LKoen: binary and the hat means xor
18:51:51 <HackEgo> <fizzie> ▏ ▎ ▍ ▌ ▋ ▊ ▉ █ hth
18:51:57 <HackEgo> A promise problem is one that happens because you promise too much. Their reduction to NP is p. difficult.
18:52:25 <LKoen> I live in France and our politicians never seem to have a problem about promising too much
18:52:40 <HackEgo> protocol is not to be confused with protocoal
18:55:26 <HackEgo> 162) <elliott> So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] <elliott> It's a trivial C program :P \ 177) <zzo38> Maybe they should just get rid of Minecraft. If more people want it someone can make using GNU GPL v3 or later version, with different people, might improve slightly. \ 409) <monqy> rest in peace lambdabot???? <ais523> monqy: i
18:55:38 <\oren\> protocoal is another word for a tropical forest
18:56:09 <HackEgo> 790) <elliott> this sounds sort of like @ kmc <kmc> well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science
18:56:19 <HackEgo> 865) <fizzie> fungot: Are you the previous version of zzo38? <fungot> fizzie: i run some interactive tex programs
18:56:35 <HackEgo> 613) <CakeProphet> but yeah the caliphates expanded their empire by conquering people and then forcing them to either convert to Islam or die. [...] <oerjan> i thought it was sort of, convert to islam or pay extra taxes, but i guess it varied a lot.
18:56:50 <HackEgo> 346) <elliott_> I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing. <oerjan> i understand it perfectly. it's completely nuts.
18:56:58 <HackEgo> 514) <elliott> When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a monad.
18:57:12 <HackEgo> 1238) <Taneb> Could we achieve SETI with only naive set theory?
18:57:21 <Taneb> I had a point with that one, can anyone remember what it was
18:59:02 <HackEgo> 384) <Taneb> Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement \ 390) <Taneb> Cut to February <Taneb> War were declared <Taneb> A galaxy in turmoil <Taneb> Anyway, Febuary '10 \ 391) <Taneb> I can't afford one of those! <Taneb> A grandchild, not a laser printer \ 397) <fizzie> There's that saying that the definition of insani
18:59:50 <HackEgo> 1242) <ais523> hppavilion1: there's not much point in `addquoting an `addquote unless the person who added it was somehow significant, or there's interesting context <ais523> because you can tell it was added from the fact that it's there \ 1253) <shachaf> What is an esolang? <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: It's an archaic term for an Esolang \ 1254) <h
19:00:54 <\oren\> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf is a dead link
19:01:31 <\oren\> @tell boily https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf is a dead link
19:04:46 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCxv3-3344o
19:07:12 <b_jonas> `slashlearn ance//Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clea
19:07:14 <HackEgo> Learned 'ance': Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence,
19:07:21 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:08:08 <Taneb> Because people keep forgetting how to spell viol
19:08:21 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,0,300;
19:08:21 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, prefere
19:08:42 <myname> i find them pretty easy, but that may be because i'm german
19:08:42 <b_jonas> myname: in these words, the last syllable is a schwa, and it's completely random how it's spelled
19:09:02 <myname> in german, you actually hear the difference
19:09:08 <b_jonas> I find some of them easy, but some hard. I often misspell existence, appearance, maintenance
19:09:37 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,0,400;
19:09:38 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:09:45 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,400;
19:09:46 <HackEgo> ssurance, attendance, circumstance, clea
19:09:49 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,300;
19:09:50 <HackEgo> nce, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clea
19:10:15 <myname> i never got how people have a hard time with such things
19:10:18 <b_jonas> ``` >wisdom/ance echo 'rance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance.'
19:10:26 <HackEgo> rance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance.
19:10:35 <b_jonas> ``` >>wisdom/ance echo 'rance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance.'
19:10:40 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:10:49 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,300;
19:10:50 <HackEgo> nce, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clea \ rance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance.
19:12:00 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();$_=<$I>=~s/\n//;open$O,">","wisdom/ance";print$O$_;
19:12:01 <HackEgo> Scalar found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "$O$_" \ (Missing operator before $_?) \ Can't modify <HANDLE> in substitution (s///) at -e line 1, near "s/\n//;" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
19:12:06 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();$_=<$I>=~s/\n//;open$O,">","wisdom/ance";print$O $_;
19:12:06 <HackEgo> Can't modify <HANDLE> in substitution (s///) at -e line 1, near "s/\n//;" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
19:12:18 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:12:29 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();$_=<$I>=~s/\n//r;open$O,">","wisdom/ance";print$O $_;
19:12:35 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:12:45 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,300;
19:12:45 <HackEgo> nce, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance.
19:13:06 <b_jonas> most of those words are easy, but I can't tell in advance which ones are hard for people
19:16:02 <Taneb> I... I've lived in English speaking languages all my life and I have no idea how "bough" is pronounced
19:16:07 <Taneb> Rhymes with "ow"??
19:16:22 <LKoen> you have lived in English speaking languages???
19:16:27 <LKoen> I didn't even know languages could speak
19:16:30 <b_jonas> `perl -e {open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();$_=<$I>=~s/( fragrance)/$1, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance./r;open$O,">","wisdom/ance";print$O $_;}
19:16:33 <Taneb> LKoen, yes, it's quite odd
19:16:35 <LKoen> though I did suspect you were a concept rather than a person
19:16:37 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,300;
19:16:38 <HackEgo> nce, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance..
19:16:43 <Jafet> though “ough” is thoroughly tough, most other fragments throughout english ought to be more regular
19:16:56 <Taneb> Jafet, it is a slight hiccough in the language
19:16:58 <b_jonas> `perl -e {open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();$_=<$I>=~s/( romance).*/$1./r;open$O,">","wisdom/ance";print$O $_;}
19:17:02 <b_jonas> `perl -e open$I,"<","wisdom/ance";$/=();print substr<$I>,300;
19:17:03 <HackEgo> nce, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance.
19:17:22 <rdococ> `le//rn ough//Ough is equivalent to any and every possible VC syllable.
19:17:23 <b_jonas> rdococ: I have a mostly complete list of those too, at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas
19:17:25 <HackEgo> Learned 'ough': Ough is equivalent to any and every possible VC syllable.
19:17:30 <LKoen> Jafet: should we laugh at that?
19:18:01 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
19:18:24 <HackEgo> 2/2:ubstance, violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance.
19:18:51 * rdococ personally hates autum
19:19:28 <rdococ> but I personally don't dans well myself
19:19:34 <b_jonas> rdococ: I hate "autumn". the word, because I can't spell it. it's on my list at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:B_jonas#Some_words_of_which_I_need_to_learn_the_spelling
19:19:59 <rdococ> b_jonas, from now on I will name it autumm, like dilemma
19:20:30 <Jafet> LKoen: what? sounds smoulderingly haughty
19:20:49 <b_jonas> shachaf: yes, I specifically removed ones like "dance, glance, fence, trance" that aren't pronounced with a schwa. those have the stress on the ance or ence syllable, so it's easy to guess the spelling from the pronunciation
19:21:10 <b_jonas> obviously this isn't a complete list, but I don't want to make the wisdom entry too long
19:21:26 <b_jonas> many of the hard to spell ones would come later in the list
19:21:27 <shachaf> But it's already too long.
19:22:09 <b_jonas> correspondence is another tricky one
19:22:56 <b_jonas> (next ones would be: allowance, commence, competence, convenience, correspondence, essence, freelance, incidence, occurrence, ordinance, providence, relevance, renaissance, significance, silence, surveillance, tolerance, variance,
19:23:29 <b_jonas> abundance, ambulance, conscience, consistence, convergence, dependence, dependance, disturbance, elegance, emergence, evanescence, grievance, ignorance, inference, inheritance, interference, issuance, negligence, patience, prevalence, reliance, resonance, stance,
19:23:43 <b_jonas> what's the difference between dependence and dependance?
19:23:52 <shachaf> allowence, commance, competance, conveniance, correspondance, essance, freelence, incidance, occurrance, ordinence, procidance, relevence, renaissence, significence, silance, surveillence, tolerence, varience
19:24:55 <b_jonas> apparently dependance is the same as dependence, and dependence is the more frequent spelling
19:26:25 <b_jonas> "autumn" is one of those rare words where the French spelling looks way better as an English spelling than the actual English spelling
19:28:56 <\oren\> b_jonas: in my country we jsut call it fall
19:29:08 <\oren\> spring summer fall winter
19:29:19 <shachaf> They're called leaves because they leave the trees in the fall. Which is why it's called fall.
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19:38:50 <LKoen> She eats shoots and leaves
19:39:18 <LKoen> you didn't explain why they were called trees
19:39:40 <shachaf> I didn't read the book that quote is from.
19:45:42 <Jafet> but why is the previous season called summer? it doesn't add up
19:47:47 <b_jonas> hehe. it's funny when an old text mentions something really old and well-known and calls it "new" because it was new back then
19:50:51 <b_jonas> Jafet: isn't that because it was discovered by the sumers, who lived in a warm place where it was always summer?
19:51:21 <b_jonas> or maybe because that's when you see adders the most often, and the sum of many adders is a summer.
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20:44:47 <\oren\> Ok, I've seen people called hitler, but I've never seen someone call someone else "Marshal Phibun" befroe
20:44:53 <\oren\> http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2017-m04/0074.html
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22:29:15 <shachaf> thousand kibibytes per second
22:29:26 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: That's... 1024000 bytes per secon- whoo! I was right!
22:30:06 <hppavilion[1]> (I will accept the binary prefixes iff I can apply them to things other than data)
22:30:34 <hppavilion[1]> ("How far away is that vaguely phallic obelisk?" "4 Kim")
22:30:36 <shachaf> Acceleration from the earth's gravity is about 9.8 m HzHz
22:31:09 <shachaf> It's probably about that even somewhat far from sea level.
22:31:42 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( Isn't charge a better base dimension than current? )
22:32:20 <quintopia> hppavilion[1]: i agree. i've thought the same many times. i figure someday the SI people will switch from A to C as the base unit
22:32:28 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: The acceleration from earth's gravity is 0 m HzHz at the center of the earth
22:32:57 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Or we'll have a French Revolution-style uprising and replace SI
22:33:01 <shachaf> mHzHz is unfortunately ambiguous.
22:33:10 <shachaf> Is it milliherzhertz or metrehertzhertz?
22:33:31 <quintopia> you need a center dot to make the latter
22:34:27 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I've noticed that 'm' is a rather overloaded symbol
22:34:48 <quintopia> but i think m/s² is clearer for common usage than m-dot-Hz-dot-Hz
22:35:01 <hppavilion[1]> I try to avoid using it to mean 'mass' because it's already pretty ambiguous
22:36:19 <shachaf> There is no encoding but ASCII.
22:36:27 <hppavilion[1]> The only way you can really distinguish between "milliwhatevres" and "metres-by-whatevres" is dimensions; if you're told the force is "3 mN", you know it isn't a Newton-metre because it's force and not energy
22:37:50 <hppavilion[1]> U+0084 COMBINING GHOST INSIDE SOUL is the character for possessions
22:38:28 <shachaf> pikhq: I half-agree with UTF-8.
22:38:31 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: ITYM whatever my superior-to-encoding is called whenever I get around to cooking that up.
22:38:34 <shachaf> The first 128 bytes are good.
22:38:52 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: But what is your opinion on the range 0x80..0xFF?
22:39:09 <HackEgo> 1134) <shachaf> A Swede who was in #esoteric / Thought his rhymes were a little generic. / "I might use, in my prose, / ꙮs, / But my poetry's alphanumeric."
22:39:12 <pikhq> TIL French is scow.
22:39:37 <shachaf> ISO-8859-1 is OK, I guess.
22:39:52 <shachaf> Wait, no, ISO-8859-1 has center dot, doesn't it.
22:41:55 <hppavilion[1]> [Sidenote: whenever I make a lexer and parser, I define the sub-regex of INT for matching hex as /0x([0-9a-f]+|[0-9A-F]+)/ since using mixed case in your hex literals is an abomination]
22:42:36 <hppavilion[1]> One of the things I've done with my keyboard is implement this absurd sort of keyboard-swap mechanism
22:43:17 <hppavilion[1]> ctrl+left and ctrl+right cycle through keyboards; kb = 0 means no changes, kb = 1 is my default keyboard which is activated on launch, kb = 2 is greek
22:46:46 <hppavilion[1]> (Planned keyboards: 3:math, 4:Symbol, 5:Arrows, 6:box drawing, 7:Hebrew, 8:Cyrillic, 9:arabic, 10:math 2, 11: math 3, 12: symbol 2, 13: symbol 3)
22:47:05 <hppavilion[1]> I'm sure that was going somewhere, but I've forgot where that is.
22:47:20 <\oren\> I think the base units should be changed so that the speed of light is exactly 300 Mm/s
22:48:15 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Or, well, SI should create alternative sets of units that get grouped together (you choose one set and only use the equivalent units for that one)
22:49:03 <\oren\> and so that the kg is such that Newton's constant is exactly 2/3 * 10 ^ -11
22:49:57 <quintopia> goodbye for a few minutes or more. don't do anything interesting while i'm away.
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22:51:13 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Met[er]{2}s wouldn't change so that long ass-distances wouldn't need their signs remarked, but the alternative set would include nice sciencey units
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22:52:24 <hppavilion[1]> (If we just changed meters, a km would become an astounding 3‱ shorter!
22:52:40 <hppavilion[1]> (I'm assuming that we are NOT fucking changing seconds because we worked hard on those dammit)
22:53:02 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I'd also like kg to be the base scale for mass, having no prefix
22:53:47 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Yeah, but our computers can keep track of individual microseconds from the couch.
22:54:42 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Because as it is, everything is defined in terms of kilograms (exempli gratia 1 N = 1 kg*m/s^2), but it's presented as if it's 1000× the base for mass
22:56:00 <\oren\> well before they had the cgs system where instead they had centimetres
22:56:19 <hppavilion[1]> It should just have an atomic name. If it was "lard" (l) (yes, like fat), then a normal gram would be "ml", a milligram would be μl, a metric ton would be kl, etc.
22:57:11 <\oren\> well why not use metres, tons, seconds
22:58:00 <zzo38> I don't like "tonnes" and "metric tons"; "megagram" is a better name for that unit.
22:58:10 <zzo38> Use "tons" to refer to the non-metric unit
22:59:02 <\oren\> a car weighs 1 ton and travels at 30 metres per second
23:00:14 <\oren\> it contains therefore, 600 ton metre squared per second per second of energy
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23:01:40 <\oren\> serves me right for trying to head-math
23:03:39 <\oren\> alternately, a car weighs 1 Mg and travels at 100 km/h
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23:04:16 <boily> he\\oren\. feeling unital?
23:04:22 <lambdabot> \oren\ said 4h 2m 50s ago: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf is a dead link
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23:05:21 -!- boily has set topic: Motivation: N/A | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf?dl=0 | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah.
23:05:38 <\oren\> one could also use such abberant units as the ton-force
23:06:00 <boily> should be working now!
23:06:08 <fungot> boily: " or do i have to wash dishes. if you can
23:06:19 <boily> fungot: yes, I can, and I have to. I hate washing dishes.
23:06:29 <boily> fungot: yup. never quite got to learn it.
23:06:29 <fungot> boily: good enough? that uses vectors, and those all provide quite nasty constraints for the other language modes.... befunge you could do
23:09:33 -!- boily has set topic: Home of your favourite brainfuck derivative! | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://www.dropbox.com/s/fyhqyvy3i8oh25m/wisdom.pdf?dl=0 | For extensive phở testing, use #esoteric-blah.
23:10:25 <int-e> boily: did you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjxe8ShM-8 ... that's where the motivation came from
23:10:49 <boily> int-ello. let's watch that...
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23:48:38 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: At one point, I defined the customary unit of force (treating pounds as the unit of mass) as 1 pound-yard per second squared, or the Kenobi.
23:49:23 <hppavilion[1]> I later decided Kenobi was N/s, since it measures change (NRBFTJWSII-AKA disturbance) in force.
23:50:24 <hppavilion[1]> Tarkins (Gr) measure Ob/s- how much disturbance is in the force
23:51:31 <boily> hppavellon[1]. is it measuring flux?
23:51:43 <boily> fungot: what the fungot is a NRBFTJWSII?
23:52:45 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: so the implementation can do. if i
23:53:04 <boily> did you just call me a CHICKEN?
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23:54:08 <hppavilion[1]> boily: fungot is angry at you. What did you do to upset fnem?
23:54:08 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: but what's really strange is happening with sinatra
23:55:08 <boily> fungot is only thinking.
23:55:08 <fungot> boily: the problem with sunscreen being greasy, then? i don't folow what you're trying to remove nested combinations by adding this to your teacher: the internet is
23:55:47 <int-e> fungot has a twisted mind
23:55:47 <fungot> int-e: now it's there. just start up external darcs processes!"
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