00:02:43 -!- [io] has changed nick to iovoid. 00:04:03 hellovoid. 00:04:09 `wisdom 00:04:10 mirth//Mirths are juvenile moths. They giggle a lot. 00:04:51 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:06:13 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:34:44 coily 00:35:00 did you see todays chrono.gg deal? 00:35:21 an ascii rogue-like dungeon crawler ;) 00:46:29 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:52:31 QUINTHELLOPIA! 00:52:33 AAAAAAAAAAAAAH! 00:52:37 is it still dealing? 00:54:19 BOUGHT! 01:05:04 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:13:21 `wisdom 01:13:23 madness//madness lies thataway. 01:13:36 `? mad 01:13:37 This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. 01:13:42 bin quiens. 01:15:44 `? alice 01:15:45 Alice doesn't want to go among mad people. 01:16:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:17:23 Went to "An exhibition of the Web’s lost past" today. Well, yesterday. 01:18:21 hoily. 01:18:29 They had early webby things, like a NeXT box showing Old Tim's website. 01:19:13 . o O ( but if they have it, it's not lost... ) 01:20:19 They also had a classroom full of BBC Micros, courtesy of the Centre for Computing History in Cambridge. 01:20:28 Doesn't really have anything to do with the web though. 01:26:06 `? bbc 01:26:07 The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, and villages in Norway. Taneb invented it. 01:26:31 `grwp easter 01:26:43 ^style alice 01:26:43 Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) 01:26:49 No output. 01:26:52 fungot: bread or taxes? 01:26:53 int-e: we have now to mark the two fnord don't balance each fnord more than you can fnord a man, whose business fnord so, my child!' the queen said. ' how many days are there in a year? i should think it did go! why, if ever i did fall fnord which there's no chance of a night's rest here, i'm sure you'll forgive me: for i really couldn't bring myself to say ' good-bye,' and the whole party swam to the shore and then i'll tell y 01:27:29 fungot: I think you have the wrong book 01:27:29 int-e: ' in the water and wouldn't come out again. and it got both its paws on its tail. " it's all right, bruno, wouldn't you? he hasn't fnord tea, and fnord 01:27:42 fungot: getting closer? 01:27:42 int-e: " music?" said sylvie. 01:27:55 fungot: but still no bread :-( 01:27:55 int-e: " its habit of getting up and picking the daisies, when suddenly a footman in livery came running out of the wood. they were not of the folk we meet in fnord drawing-rooms who conceal all such feelings as they may chance to possess beneath the fnord mask of a conventional fnord. ' unless you leave this house,' he said, ' so that one could keep up a conversation! but how can you talk with your eyes shut?" said alice. 01:32:33 fungot: I wore the fungot shirt to that exhibition, but sadly nobody asked about it. 01:32:33 fizzie: " fnord lindon," said i, " to your ear that sounds an easy thing? try it yourself, my little dear!' alice got up to do it!' 01:35:31 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 01:37:06 hellørjan! 01:42:39 YouTube seems to be dead set about prefixing the tab's name with a mysterious “(11)”... 01:43:51 OKAY 01:44:34 -!- erkin has quit (Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying...). 01:49:09 fungot: fnord. 01:49:09 boily: " yet is it wise to leave it fnord which you will say " fnord seen gardens, compared with which that would be awkward, i admit, is very very kindly meant-- still, to fnord them together under his chin the end of it, she saw that it had eyes and a nose and mouth; and when she had finished it, ' they might go different ways.' 01:58:01 `slwd bbc//s/and $.*y$/\1, and inventors of all things/ 01:58:04 bbc//The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it. 02:01:31 Six degrees to Taneb. 02:02:34 fungot: Taneb. 02:02:34 rdococ: " if tibbs is anything like me, it's possible," i argued, you must take the consequences! 02:02:43 fungot: you = nuts. 02:02:43 rdococ: " let me go by without even one fnord bark. " he isn't, indeed! so true!" the warden gently assented. " sylvie just knows nuffin at all!" 02:04:22 rdochelloc. do not miff the fungot. 02:04:22 boily: the baron gazed in astonishment. " why is it of no consequence to us, i is so tired and hungry!" 02:06:22 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 02:06:27 `unidecode ᅠ 02:06:28 [U+1160 HANGUL JUNGSEONG FILLER] 02:06:33 ah 02:06:44 mhellony. eh? 02:09:17 i just wanted to unideocde that character, its invisible in most/all fonts 02:12:44 [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51704&oldid=51703 * Oerjan * (+518) /* A different way of thinking about the problem */ First example 02:17:33 [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51705&oldid=51704 * Oerjan * (+143) /* Another example */ I don't think so. 02:18:21 [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51706&oldid=51705 * Oerjan * (+11) /* Another example */ 02:22:14 `? bored 02:22:15 bored? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:22:27 hoily: then do not drive me to the boredom horizon 02:22:34 oerjan: Howdy! 02:22:34 fungot: boily 02:22:34 rdococ: " course i were!" cried the sub-warden. the professor fnord it longer for us. and it walked a tiny little way!" 02:22:41 `? fnord 02:22:42 ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:22:48 `? fungot 02:22:48 rdococ: the result would have been worse!" 02:22:49 fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. 02:22:56 hellorby! 02:22:56 har 02:22:57 har 02:24:55 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa 02:24:57 <\oren\> My best scientist in my empire decided to start popping pills whyyyyyyy 02:25:41 ɲ 02:26:11 Guess... the... text! 02:26:12 02:26:17 -!- sleffy has joined. 02:26:21 I'm thinking about "yet another example" and whether or not putting a loop outside the program is sufficient for turing completeness 02:26:35 sounds orbilicious 02:26:40 have you seen Upsilon yet? 02:26:54 I have not, I'll take a look 02:26:56 orby: i think your third example is somewhat off in its explanation 02:27:23 Actually, I was warning you not to look, but okay. 02:27:28 in particular, you translate something to > that clearly starts a loop content. 02:27:31 OKAY 02:27:38 YAKO 02:27:41 `? okay 02:27:42 okay? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:27:53 *context 02:28:25 The third example doesn't have (or shouldn't have) any open parens translated in the [ and ] commands 02:28:27 he\\oren\, hellorby. 02:28:29 \oren\: clearly you overworked him hth 02:29:01 just been brainstorming and trying to come at it from different angles 02:29:19 \oren\: popping pills isn't all bad. see: erdős 02:29:22 just redirect the IP velocity 02:30:15 orby: oh, misread. 02:30:32 in the third example the [ and ] don't actually need to match, I'm not using those symbols for any specific reason 02:30:39 right 02:31:05 orby: oh that applies to the second one too 02:31:38 orby: ok in that case scratch my comment on it 02:32:20 correct, yeah I wasn't thinking about looping (which is definitely missing) from the 2nd and 3rd examples 02:32:43 [wiki] [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51707&oldid=51706 * Oerjan * (+163) /* Another example */ Never mind 02:32:53 I was thinking about what happens when you put the whole program in a loop and try to achieve turing completeness in that context 02:33:18 It's a lot of braindumping, sorry if it's difficult to follow 02:34:34 I was thinking today about the language >, *, < and a command F which swaps the current cell + 1 with current cell + 2 if the current cell is on 02:34:48 orby: btw i have an argument that RBF _can_ express any reversible logic gate, shall i explain it? 02:34:50 cswap, or fredkin gate, or whatever you want to call it 02:35:20 (on a finite set of cells) 02:35:34 oerjan: I think that's true because we can express toffoli gates in RBF, what is your argument? 02:36:16 you can swap any bit based on any condition of other bits 02:36:33 which i guess is about the same as toffoli 02:36:46 yeah, my understanding is that a conditional swap aka fredkin gate is also universal 02:37:05 orby: oh i misspoke 02:37:16 nah, you didn't misspeak 02:37:16 i meant _toggle_ any bit. 02:37:21 oh oh 02:37:25 hmm 02:38:08 yeah, I think the fact that conditional toggling + shifting is enough to construct universal gates is the key 02:38:20 for example, to toggle a cell if n cells to the left are 1, do (>(>(>...(>*<)...<)<)<) 02:38:26 at least that's how I think about it 02:38:26 yeah 02:38:50 then for any other case, insert *s as needed 02:38:58 exactly 02:39:28 So, I'm interested in your thoughts on this language and whether or not you think it'd be turing complete 02:39:39 Say we have >, *, < and conditional swap 02:39:43 which I'm calling F 02:39:44 and this swaps two states of the whole configuration that only differ in one bit. and that generates the whole permutation group of configurations. 02:40:10 hi 02:40:16 hello 02:40:30 yeah, I've found it useful to start thinking about automorphisms from the tape to itself 02:40:41 instead of thinking about shifting 02:41:27 So if we take >* because I think there is a 2 command simple translation of >* orby: no, because you don't have conditional >< so you either run off in one direction or stay within finitely many cells 02:42:49 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:42:49 that makes sense 02:42:53 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:43:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:43:55 so like, if the tape were unbounded on both sides, there'd be no way to visit cell 0, 1, -1, 2, -2, 3, -3, 4, -4, ... 02:44:02 orby: i think there have been languages based on "brainfuck without any loop except around the whole program" at least discussed here 02:44:45 yeah I'm sure I read about that idea somewhere 02:45:12 hm but the running off argument must apply to them too. 02:45:38 I would think so, unless there is some provision for conditional execution 02:46:01 Like, S which skips the next command if the current cell is non-zero, or something like that 02:46:25 maybe if you had unbounded cells on a wrapping tape, it could work. 02:46:47 but i don't remember any of this clearly. 02:46:59 (i think ais523 might know) 02:47:01 yeah, that'd probably work 02:47:47 <\oren\> AAAAAAA now my new head scientist went into politics and became the president! AAAAAAAAAAA 02:48:03 \oren\: FOR SCIENCE *MWAHAHAHAHA* 02:49:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:52:32 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:56:33 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 02:58:55 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:59:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:06:23 @metar ENVA 03:06:23 ENVA 150150Z 11006KT CAVOK M02/M04 Q1007 RMK WIND 670FT 14011KT 03:06:31 @metar CYQB 03:06:31 CYQB 150100Z 24008KT 15SM FEW055 06/M04 A3027 RMK SC1 SLP255 03:06:40 -2? 03:07:17 our spring is delayed a bit hth 03:07:37 but then, having the last snow around easter is traditional. 03:09:23 @metar KJFK 03:09:23 KJFK 150151Z 20008KT 10SM FEW250 10/06 A3041 RMK AO2 SLP295 T01000061 03:09:33 helloochaf. eastcoasting? 03:11:24 @metar EGLL 03:11:25 EGLL 150150Z AUTO 27010KT 9999 SCT015 10/09 Q1016 NOSIG 03:11:58 oerjan: where I grew up it wasn't really spring until the may snowstorm 03:13:12 OKAY 03:13:33 of course 03:14:03 flying out of KJFK on sunday 03:15:41 <\oren\> At least now several of my planets are populated entirely by soulless machines 03:15:47 [wiki] [[Golf Cheat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51708 * Qpliu * (+535) Created page with "In [[Golf Cheat]], a zero bit program solves the current problem in the golf competition you are currently competing in. A one bit program solves either the previous or next..." 03:15:59 [wiki] [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51709&oldid=51652 * Qpliu * (+17) 03:19:55 -!- boily has quit (Quit: LIVE CHICKEN). 03:20:05 -!- sleffy has joined. 03:21:57 [wiki] [[But Is It Art?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51710&oldid=51682 * Qpliu * (+164) Implementation 03:36:40 would it be TC? <-- yes. any required input/output transformation does not affect TC-ness, as long as it halts. 03:44:16 ? 03:44:19 ah 03:44:39 So, if you had to transform input to output... 03:44:58 well input to input and output to output the other way, naturally 03:45:30 btw have you heard of upvars before? 03:46:04 i think i may have seen the term mentioned once. 03:47:46 well, you're about to see it a couple more times in my latest esolang 03:47:49 Upsilon 03:48:05 don't look at it. it's so lame it's deadly. 03:48:11 OKAY 04:05:48 DID YOU LOOK? 04:09:18 i may already have, briefly. 04:14:26 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 04:46:25 -!- moonheart08 has joined. 04:53:28 -!- moonheart08 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 04:56:38 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:12:32 oerjan: you still around? 05:14:32 nooooooo! oerjan, what did you do!!! 05:14:36 ...did you like it? 05:15:37 i said briefly. i only got a glimpse of the introduction, or something. 05:15:54 orby: MAYBE 05:16:04 if you want to, read it 05:16:20 but it's not my fault if you're scarred for life 05:16:22 oerjan: excellent. I *may* have some questions for you. 05:16:33 nooooooo! 05:16:36 orby: MAYBE 05:16:43 I'm still thinking about <>*f 05:16:43 * oerjan copied that from rdococ 05:16:57 https://github.com/ChrisRx/dungeonfs 05:17:16 oerjan, you know you could excuse yourself out of listening to orby's questions by reading it :P 05:17:30 it's not quite clear to me how the running off in one direction argument applies, as I think we can probably drag an arbitrary number of arguments along with us 05:17:38 or the reverse hth 05:17:54 orby: yes, but only finitely many. 05:18:01 hmm... 05:18:15 ik, I'm terrible at this whole esolanging thing. I shouldn't even be here. :c 05:18:16 why only finitely man 05:18:18 *many 05:18:59 orby: because you cannot go further back to pick up things than you have <. in fact, since you only have the one test, you cannot really pick up anything, either. 05:19:12 ok f may shift that _slighty_. 05:19:38 so, it is clear that there can only be finitely many f's per iteration 05:19:54 thus only finitely many swaps 05:19:54 and also finitely many < and >. 05:20:00 yeah 05:20:37 I think you are correct that it's not tc, I'm just trying to see it clearly 05:22:03 basically, there is a finite sized window and everything outside that window that you've visited before you can never look at again. 05:23:10 yeah, I think it is clear to me now. I was trying to figure out whether or not there could be some trickery with the f's to copy along whatever you wanted from the past, but the fact that there can only be finitely many swaps per iteration makes that impossible 05:24:15 cool. thanks. 05:24:21 you're welcome 05:27:08 I also had an interesting idea on how the tape is represented. A tape with a finite number of 1's, say n, could be used to represent n unbounded registers where the value in the register is the index of the 1 on the tape. 05:27:41 hi 05:27:43 well, almost, except mulltiple registers couldn't have the same value 05:27:47 rdococ: hello 05:28:17 but it springs from the idea to treat the tape as a subset of the natural numbers where each 1 implies that the index of that cell is in the subset 05:28:58 each cell would need to have at least 2^n distinct states to represent n unbounded registers 05:29:04 orby: a better idea may be to let the registers be represented by the _distance_ between 1s. 05:29:24 oooo, neato 05:30:51 that's one of the things I like about using a bit tape; there are so many easy isomorphisms to other representations 05:33:19 this is something i thought about when doing the minsky machine construction in underload. i only did that for 2 registers, but the distance method could be used to get more. 05:34:56 so what, have the tape be bound on the left, distance to first 1 is value of r1, distance between first 1 and second 1 is value of r2, etc? 05:35:03 although, hm, that one has the advantage that you can shrink and expand the tape locally. 05:35:13 yeah 05:36:06 well, the position of the first 1 would encode the value of the first register in the same way for both schemes 05:36:16 orby: you really need a 1 at the left end too, in order to detect it. 05:36:32 mmhmm, makes sense 05:38:17 I like the idea of thinking of the bit tape as a subset of the natural numbers. Programs receive a set as input and return a set as output. 05:39:14 So then programs are just computable automorphisms on the power set 05:40:23 not quite all of them, you can only change finitely many bits. 05:41:16 and in fact, if they don't always halt it's not an automorphism either. 05:42:04 but otherwise, this sounds like denotational semantics. 05:42:27 sounds nice. 05:43:10 oooh, wiki-ing denotational semantics. this is new to me. 05:43:18 yay 05:43:28 :) 05:49:18 so, chess might be nontrivial even if the 50-move rule is reduced to a 0.5-move rule (i.e. every move must be a capture or pawn move) 05:51:18 at least, crafty has analysed to about 10 moves without finding a trivial win 05:51:22 -!- sleffy has joined. 05:51:43 Is that with or without my suggested variation? 05:52:04 yes, this is where players who fail to do that will lose 05:52:27 Yes, OK 05:56:11 Another further variant can be: Other than captures and pawn moves, it is also allowed to make a move that prevents you from castling later if castling under FIDE rules would normally be allowed later under the current position. 05:57:06 that could be nice to escape one check 05:59:32 (In other words, once you have moved the king, you can no longer make non-capturing moves with either rook; once you have moved a rook, you can no longer make noncapturing moves with that rook; and once you have moved both rooks, you may no longer make noncapturing moves with the king.) 06:01:07 also not the king in the first case 06:02:50 Yes, that too, I forgot 06:02:55 You are correct though 06:03:56 Also, if both of your rooks are captured, you also can no longer make noncapturing moves with the king. 06:04:26 or one captured and one moved. 06:05:34 Yes. 06:11:34 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 06:16:33 well, in general there are non-reversible moves even with pieces, such as https://mathoverflow.net/a/78955 06:17:03 also crafty just segfaulted, so its results might be suspect 06:17:52 ... 06:18:03 Well, I know any language I will create will just be ignored. 06:18:33 Are you sure? If it is good enough then it might not be. 06:18:53 No, I'd never be able to create a "good" language. 06:19:00 I'm the kind of person who gets bored quickly. 06:19:21 O, OK. But when you do have a good idea (if you ever have a good idea, that is) then you can post it. 06:19:53 I never have a good idea. 06:20:14 All my ideas are crap, like a "language without assignments, but with subroutines", "or subroutines with upvars"... 06:20:29 In future it might change, or maybe it won't. Only by time can we see. 06:20:40 Ugh, time. 06:26:49 I'm useless. 06:26:55 Maybe it'd be better if I wasn't here. 06:27:15 There may be something else to do though 06:27:34 LIke crawl into a hole. 06:28:04 And then see if there is anything else in there 06:28:28 Like air, and oxygen. 06:29:00 Yes, probably that is in there, at least. 06:29:34 and I can breathe in the oxygen, breathe out, and then scream. 06:42:58 "Do you see now?" "I can C." 07:01:51 One Poker is played as follows: Each player gets two cards, and your opponent knows how many of your two cards are higher than seven (ace is high). You then choose one of your two cards to play (secretly), and then you bet, and then you expose the cards. Higher card wins, unless they are an ace and a deuce in which case the deuce wins. And then you keep the card you didn't play and get a fresh card, and continue. 07:02:23 (Suits are irrelevant. Two cards of the same rank tie.) 07:02:39 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:05:03 * rdococ pokes zzo 07:08:46 -!- sleffy has joined. 07:09:07 `? caine 07:09:08 caine? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 07:09:39 `le//rn caine//Caine is a drug admistered to the target to reverse the effects of other drugs. 07:09:41 Learned 'caine': Caine is a drug admistered to the target to reverse the effects of other drugs. 07:20:10 `? admistered 07:20:11 admistered? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 07:21:03 `? administered 07:21:04 administered? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 07:21:10 `le//rn caine//Caine is a drug administered to the target to reverse the effects of other drugs. 07:21:12 Relearned 'caine': Caine is a drug administered to the target to reverse the effects of other drugs. 07:28:24 -!- sleffy has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 07:41:28 [wiki] [[Template:WIP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51711&oldid=45765 * Rdococ * (+4) Clearer summary of the page's WIP status 07:54:43 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC4IAH2TvWY 07:58:46 sounds nice 08:12:43 -!- augur has joined. 08:14:29 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:40:48 -!- orby has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:14:47 -!- augur has joined. 10:18:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:28:42 -!- augur has joined. 10:33:08 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 10:35:44 `? trivil 10:35:47 trivil? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 10:55:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:55:44 <\oren\> HAH! the enemy has one of my planets under siege and is trying to starve them out 10:55:47 <\oren\> JOKES ON YOU EVERYONE ON THE PLANET IS A SOULLESS ANDROID 10:59:02 LOL 10:59:03 YAY 11:00:01 <\oren\> they are spending most of their fleet trying to siege a planet with no actual sentient life forms on it 11:03:18 <\oren\> which doesn't work, because the population can't feel pain and don't care if they get blown up 11:11:52 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:19:32 lol 11:25:09 <\oren\> i am *this* close to becoming a robot-majority nation 11:25:31 <\oren\> robots are 46% 11:25:43 * rdococ wants to talk about conlangs but nobody's in that channel :c 11:26:19 <\oren\> also the war ended status quo ante bellum 11:27:37 <\oren\> what kind of conlang? 11:27:42 linguistic 11:27:52 I mean, there's people there but it's silent 11:29:39 <\oren\> ooh, I can make everone who isn't an android a cyborg 11:30:32 I want to be a real boy! 11:32:12 <\oren\> rdococ: eventually you can make your robots capable of rational thought if you research enough. 11:32:35 \oren\: meh. 11:32:38 <\oren\> but it makes all the religious empires hate your guts 11:32:59 lol 11:36:31 <\oren\> well, they already hate me because they think we're "Materialist Fools -20" 11:36:41 what game, \oren\ 11:37:35 <\oren\> Stellaris 11:53:14 mornin 11:53:59 \oren\, I recently started a game of Stellaris where I'm trying to play as Space Elves 11:54:16 Took Fanatic Pacifist and Spiritualist as my ethics 11:55:53 \oren\: haven't played much Stellaris really. None of the DLCs. Have they improved the mid game much? I found the early game to be excellent, especially the first time around (when everything is new and and you don't know the outcome of event decisions), and the late game to be pretty good. But the mid game was just lack luster. 11:57:35 Also the sound track is top notch 11:59:04 CK2 is still my favorite Paradox grand strategy game. All the backstabbing you can do is really fun, 12:00:44 * rdococ is thinking about rupoors 12:01:53 what is that 12:02:13 Vorpal, CK2 is my favourite singleplayer but least favourite multiplayer 12:02:41 Vorpal: They're rupees from TLOZ that are worth a negative amount, and make you lose rupees when you collect them :P 12:03:07 Taneb: ah, I don't really play any sort of multiplayer in any games. The sole exception so far has been minecraft, and that was cooperative. Also years ago by now 12:03:15 rdococ: TLOZ? 12:03:26 Vorpal, The Legend of Zelda 12:03:27 Vorpal: The Legend of Zelda 12:03:32 oh, the original one? 12:03:39 nah, newer ones 12:03:47 ah 12:04:04 rupoors made me think about negative value currency 12:04:25 it doesn't really make much sense 12:04:47 Unless they are made of antimatter or something 12:04:50 but it's kinda funny 12:04:57 rdococ, I don't think it's practical with physical currency 12:05:02 comedic value > realism 12:05:09 Taneb: anti matter 12:05:24 Taneb: well, if you switch to digital currency, you can have complex money :P 12:05:48 "That will be $2+3i, please." 12:06:02 "But I only have $4+1i..." 12:06:24 "That's fine. I can adjust its angle for you - how about that?" 12:06:28 "K." 12:08:47 rdococ: what would that even mean? 12:09:13 Vorpal: that you have some real money, and some imaginary money. der :P 12:09:21 I'm not sure a multi-dimensional currency makes any sense. 12:09:40 Only the magnitude matters 12:09:58 not necessarily. what I said above doesn't have to apply 12:10:04 hm? 12:10:05 . o O ( x86 is a vulnerability platform that allows arbitrary code execution. ) 12:10:25 . o O ( Pokemon R/Y/B is a programming language. ) 12:10:25 int-e: isn't every platform? 12:11:02 `? pokemon 12:11:03 A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. Taneb invented them. 12:11:08 `? pokemon red 12:11:09 pokemon red? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:11:52 Taneb: anyway, which Paradox game is your favorite in multiplayer? 12:12:04 Vorpal: sure, the platform is interchangable 12:12:07 internal studio games only 12:12:22 `le//rn pokemon red//Pokemon Red is a low-level handheld programming language disguised as a game, allowing you to execute arbitrary code from anywhere. 12:12:24 Learned 'pokemon red': Pokemon Red is a low-level handheld programming language disguised as a game, allowing you to execute arbitrary code from anywhere. 12:12:37 Vorpal: I was just musing about the meaning of "arbitrary code execution" 12:12:45 right 12:13:09 Vorpal: mainly because of the useless description of http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-10229 12:13:13 Doesn't that make every programming language a vulnerability? 12:13:32 (does the code execution happen in kernel space or in user space? if the former, it'll also serve as a local root exploit) 12:14:33 Vorpal: but of course the industry at large has precisely this attitude, see "trusted computing" which is trying to replace "arbitrary" by "signed by the vendor". 12:14:57 yeah the kernel commit message doesn't help much either 12:14:57 and all these thoughts then were somehow compressed into that statement :P 12:15:48 . o O ( New Windows 10 secure boot! Disables malware like Linux! ) 12:15:54 bye for the rest of the day! 12:37:14 <\oren\> Yeah all the spiritualist empires just hate me so much 12:38:02 <\oren\> but screw them I have a better fleet than all of them combined 12:39:53 <\oren\> plus I stole the secret of true teleportation from a fallen empire 12:40:32 <\oren\> so if anyone messes with me I'll teleport to their capital and blow it the fuck up 12:49:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:55:01 int-e: that description looks rather specific 12:55:16 have you seen the microsoft update ones? http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-0001 12:55:50 “The Graphics Device Interface (GDI) in Microsoft Windows allows local users to gain privileges via a crafted application, aka "Windows GDI Elevation of Privilege Vulnerability." This vulnerability is different from those described in CVE-2017-0005, CVE-2017-0025, and CVE-2017-0047.” 12:57:16 but it does specify "elevation of privilege", and gdi means kernel mode 12:59:45 (So to my mind, the impact is clearer. Of course there's no hint about what part of the GDI interface is actually vulnerable) 13:00:44 But since I'm not actually writing exploits I happen to not care about that. 13:01:49 I assume that “allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code via UDP traffic” is contemporary manager-speak for a buffer overflow 13:02:30 or more specifically, a buffer overflow on the stack 13:10:45 Esoteria! 13:10:48 Yayayay! 13:31:28 -!- Simm has joined. 13:31:57 Ugh, the conlang channel is still dry. 13:32:20 . o O ( esoteric linguistic languages ) 13:38:38 -!- augur has joined. 13:52:17 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:01:21 -!- boily has joined. 14:16:18 `? bee 14:16:19 bee? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 14:17:04 `le/rn bee//What if bees were made of smaller bees? What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees? 14:17:06 Learned 'bee': What if bees were made of smaller bees? What if bees were made out of BIGGER bees? 14:26:44 `wisdom 14:26:46 sth//"sth" is short for "something that hibernates". 14:27:36 -!- erkin has joined. 14:29:05 -!- Zarutian has joined. 14:38:06 `? erkin 14:38:08 erkin? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 14:39:29 `le/rn erkin//An erkin is a variety of cucumber: the West Indian or burr erkin (Cucumis anguria), which produces a somewhat smaller fruit than the garden cucumber (Cucumis sativus). 14:39:31 Learned 'erkin': An erkin is a variety of cucumber: the West Indian or burr erkin (Cucumis anguria), which produces a somewhat smaller fruit than the garden cucumber (Cucumis sativus). 14:40:56 -!- ColonelPhantom has joined. 14:43:00 crunchy 14:43:05 helloily 14:43:32 hellorkin. 14:43:39 `relcome ColonelPhantom 14:43:40 ColonelPhantom: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 14:43:47 <\oren\> Hmm, I can't just kill these aliens outright... but I can demolish their farms and then starve them 14:51:38 he\\oren\. along with yesterday's utterance, about scientists popping the presidency and stuff like that, what the fungot are you playing? 14:51:38 boily: ' i suppose you ate the other, the terms containing them may be called ' the christian fnord'?" said arthur. 14:53:50 -!- Remavas has joined. 14:55:47 Vail's Second Axiom: 14:55:47 The amount of work to be done increases in proportion to the 14:55:47 amount of work already completed. 14:55:55 Sorry, wrong Channel 14:58:04 I guess it's also true about esolangs though 14:58:50 Woulfn't that mean you're never done? 14:59:50 ah no 15:00:05 nvm 15:13:21 <\oren\> boily:Stellaris 16:00:18 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:27:30 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 16:41:31 -!- gsora_ has changed nick to gsora. 17:10:21 -!- augur has joined. 17:12:30 -!- sleffy has joined. 17:31:32 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:31:40 -!- augur has joined. 17:43:16 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:44:36 -!- xkapastel has joined. 17:48:56 [wiki] [[Evil]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51712&oldid=51375 * Xav737 * (+120) Add link to esolot 17:51:45 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:54:42 -!- augur has joined. 17:54:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:57:13 -!- ColonelPhantom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:21:21 `wisdom 18:21:39 sparta//WE. DON'T. KNOW. ANYTHING. ABOUT. SPARTA! 18:22:09 `wisdom 18:22:11 sex//Sex is a board game which originated in Britain in the 1870s before spreading throughout Europe in the 1890s. Sex was introduced to the rest of the world by a book, "The Complete Guide to Sex", written and published in 1932, based on the author's extensive experience with a wide variety of forms of European sex. 18:22:24 :p 18:27:02 @tell oerjan hellørjan. the youtubal “(11)” comes from the eleven video notifications I seem to have cumulated by not watching them. 18:27:02 Consider it noted. 18:28:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:28:00 -!- Remavas-PC has quit (Quit: Page closed). 19:43:09