< 1487808006 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do hth < 1487808028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think so. < 1487808032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to oerjan, my wife and many style guides. < 1487808056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0123456789)S:^):^ < 1487808056 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123 ...too much output! < 1487808061 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1487808072 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zdf1112-lh.akamaihd.net/i/de12_v1@392882/master.m3u8 just for the Record, sorry ☺ < 1487808095 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487808362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the log, clearly we should ask Ken M to name the _next_ four presidents in order. < 1487808635 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Access Denied < 1487808637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have permission to access "http://zdf1112-lh.akamaihd.net/i/de12_v1@392882/master.m3u8" on this server. < 1487808639 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reference #18.62fa7f60.1487808625.7cd07f8 < 1487808704 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just for the record, you weren't supposed to look at it hth < 1487808748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is the record < 1487808774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot name the second king of Norway either.
< 1487808835 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently if was Erik Blodøks < 1487808880 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Eirik < 1487809155 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels recorded
< 1487809208 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you wouldn't happen to be spying on me, are you? < 1487809209 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks. i really was joking about the implication. hence the text below the pic i draw today at labyrinth < 1487809870 0 :dok!~dok@weg38-1-82-237-37-108.fbx.proxad.net PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 1.0.1" < 1487809872 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates scrolls of acquirement.
< 1487809883 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487809889 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolls of acquirement are tg < 1487809900 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get an armour < 1487809995 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally Gnarly? < 1487810011 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get an armor, and it gave me a +0 buckler. woohoo. < 1487810022 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :too good < 1487810051 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1487810415 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487810609 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: At least it wasn't a negative zero. < 1487810649 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tg < 1487810650 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not. < 1487810670 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits tg < 1487810671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e int-̈e oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän < 1487810678 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves
< 1487810682 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you play The Witness hth < 1487810699 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time int-e < 1487810700 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for int-e is Thu Feb 23 01:44:58 2017 < 1487810705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1487810711 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether int-e has Microsoft Windows. < 1487810816 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e is near LOWI, so six hours from here, so that is about right. < 1487810832 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is int-e's body weigh? < 1487810951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icao lowi < 1487810952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Innsbruck (INN, LOWI) < 1487810997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ENVA < 1487810997 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENVA 222350Z 33015KT 9999 FEW030 SCT082 M01/M06 Q0980 RMK WIND 670FT 33023KT < 1487811008 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I don't have int-e's body weigh on file. < 1487811029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1487811029 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 230020Z AUTO 23015KT 9999 OVC008 11/10 Q1004 TEMPO BKN012 < 1487811077 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, I am wholly missing you. I can put you at KOAK with a 150~250 lbs range. < 1487811081 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1487811081 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 230000Z 09004KT 15SM FEW030 SCT150 BKN220 04/01 A2983 RMK SC1AC2CI2 SLP105 < 1487811086 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 11??? < 1487811103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i would prefer to remain unrecorded twh < 1487811141 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487811162 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted. < 1487811451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It was 17 this Monday. < 1487811485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had lunch with some other Finns at work on the balcony. < 1487811537 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn fohn < 1487811539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "fohn" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1487811539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fohn < 1487811539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a warm dry wind that blows down the northern slopes of the < 1487811539 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alps [syn: {fohn}, {foehn}] < 1487811542 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ I hear it's because of that. < 1487811554 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about the details, but that was mentioned. < 1487811596 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487811632 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous british alps < 1487811647 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that's cognate to no:fønvind
< 1487811692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Föhntuuli" in Finnish. < 1487811755 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, seems to properly have an ö in german. might be a borrowing then. < 1487811815 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A weather phenomenon called the Foehn Effect is behind the unusually high temperatures set to deliver Britain's warmest February day in five years." < 1487811851 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"However, it is all change from mid-week with another bout of cold, wet and windy weather ready to pounce." < 1487811979 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from latin favonius, claims wikipedia. < 1487812020 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :They keep giving wind speeds in miles per hour here, and I can only grok them at all in metres per second, since that's the conventional unit in Finland. < 1487812030 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there a conversion thing in one of the many bots? < 1487812083 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I always forget fizzie dissociated. < 1487812088 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EFHK < 1487812088 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFHK 230050Z 16012KT 1800 SN DRSN BKN004 00/M00 Q0970 TEMPO 1200 < 1487812095 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense now! < 1487812144 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo-moo. < 1487812146 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` units '47 mph' m/s < 1487812147 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ * 21.01088 \ / 0.047594389 < 1487812158 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never really remember how to use that thing. < 1487812227 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SN DRSN" -- snow and then highly educated snow. < 1487812227 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 47 mph -> m/s < 1487812234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :65659/3125 (exactly 21.01088) < 1487812248 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one I can't even remember the name of. < 1487812251 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: snow drift hth. < 1487812273 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or drizzly snow? direct reference snow?) < 1487812283 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink also does basic calculations < 1487812301 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and possibly advanced ones, i think it's a PL) < 1487812303 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumituisku. < 1487812360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some very strong winds are expected on Thursday in association with storm Doris with gusts of 60-70 mph likely, and 70-80 mph on coasts and hills." < 1487812366 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see they've given this one a name as well. < 1487812410 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm norwegian storms also have names, but i don't think they're the same names since they're often norwegian ones. < 1487812424 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently names are a new idea here. < 1487812430 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_storm_naming_in_the_United_Kingdom_and_Ireland < 1487812439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finland they've had names longer as well, I think. < 1487812459 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that old in norway either. < 1487812509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in Finland they're just named based on the name day calendar for the first day of the storm. < 1487812515 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here they're doing the alphabetical thing. < 1487812685 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember hearing that for the "real storms" (Atlantic hurricanes and such) they recycle names except when it's a really impressive one, then they'll remove that name from further circulation. < 1487812761 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember that too < 1487813594 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487813750 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1487813895 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1487813896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs//1113I05 08thin13k13 y09o10u06 05m02i12g08h05t14 m03ea10n08 02!11l06og09s11 < 1487813903 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1487813916 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which bot was ! again?) < 1487814070 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1487814070 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1487814081 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it's glogbot, though. < 1487814109 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zemhill___ also uses ! < 1487814152 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!whargharbl < 1487814168 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very responsive... < 1487814181 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them ever responded to random commands, which is how they _could_ share the prefix in the first place. < 1487814195 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1487814195 0 :zemhill___!~cinch@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do !zjoust; see http://zem.fi/bfjoust/ for more information. < 1487814312 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those underscores. :/ < 1487814392 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :___ ___ ___ ♪ < 1487814988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487815908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A C program reading from stdin by read() is sometimes not reading the data. Do you know how to fix this? < 1487815956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it doing instead? < 1487816022 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not reading the data; read() returns something other than the length of the data (I haven't yet checked what exactly). < 1487816058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just need to call read() again? < 1487816098 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 208000 bytes instead of the full 1254410 bytes. < 1487816116 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, I suppose to call read() again will work. But why won't it read everything at once? < 1487816130 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is stdin? < 1487816207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stdin is from a Node.js program that is using the child_process module to pipe the data to it < 1487816217 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The value returned may be less than nbyte if the number of bytes left in the file is less than nbyte, if the read() request was interrupted by a signal, or if the file is a pipe or FIFO or special file and has fewer than nbyte bytes immediately available for reading." < 1487816240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it's a pipe. < 1487816245 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think it is a pipe < 1487816247 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect it to be split up. < 1487816270 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will just repeating it until all bytes are read or it returns -1 to work? < 1487816278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely it'll return 0. < 1487816475 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I have it do if the return value is zero? < 1487816794 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero indicates end of file, according to read(2) < 1487816812 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But did you know that you can keep reading from a pipe after you get 0? < 1487817101 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using curl -F 'something=<-' to read a form value from standard input, you have to type ^d twice, because curl will try to keep reading from the standard input once after getting a 0. < 1487817144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1487817306 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I think I may have had a plausible explanation, but can't remember. < 1487817376 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cat - -" behaves in a similar way, though there the reasons are rather more obvious. < 1487817574 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you put data in both stdins? < 1487817811 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: NICKNAME CHICKEN < 1487817849 0 :ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1487817888 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cat; rot13 does what i expected, anyway < 1487818008 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1487818017 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*ChatSharp@*.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru < 1487818017 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric :ChatSharp < 1487818060 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you meant curl, it will also concatenate. And it won't exit before you provide it two ^d's with no intervening data. < 1487818073 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1487818077 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1487818129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes other people didn't get targeted
< 1487818170 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o/ didn't. < 1487818354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/curl/curl/blob/master/lib/formdata.c#L1325 < 1487818361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a bit odd? < 1487818647 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Ada, 'Access seems to be the way to get a thing to pass around to a function, but is also dangerous? < 1487818653 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should attempt to learn Ada
< 1487818698 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada > Prismata, right shachaf? < 1487818712 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51090&oldid=51046 5* 03DanielJohnBenton 5* (+248) 10Sacred interpreter < 1487818749 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure? < 1487818776 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been obsessed with Ada for years. < 1487818793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:DanielJohnBenton14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51091 5* 03DanielJohnBenton 5* (+151) 10links < 1487818855 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:DanielJohnBenton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51092&oldid=51091 5* 03DanielJohnBenton 5* (+118) 10favourite esolang < 1487819759 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Sacred14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51093&oldid=51090 5* 03DanielJohnBenton 5* (+1) 10fix "include" typo ("includes") < 1487820231 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so if you type "abc\n^Ddef\n^D^D", fread returns 4, 4, and 0. < 1487820248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's expected behavior. < 1487820258 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should check feof() or something. < 1487820541 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1487820726 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mentioned the bug in #curl < 1487821199 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, if I can keep reading from a pipe after zero, but then what? It does not explain so much, what should be done? < 1487821221 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What do you mean? < 1487821295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to read until the full length is filled, or if there is an error or if the other end of the pipe is closed. < 1487821343 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just stop reading when read() successfully returns 0. < 1487821394 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the only case that it will? < 1487821451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my man page seems to say. < 1487821544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then that should work. (It still indicates an error though, because the program does not expect to receive any different amount of data) < 1487822455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radioactive wild boars have been detected in Czech forests < 1487822663 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( are these alpha males? ) < 1487823226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/1281 hth < 1487823233 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I didn't dislike GitHub pull requests so much, I'd fix it. Maybe I should email a patch? < 1487824088 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, iirc you've repeatedly pushed me to look at Ada < 1487824197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what actually happened. < 1487824202 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were never very interested. < 1487826631 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487826756 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487826791 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey all! Befunge noob here :) In the cat program ~:1+!#@_, how does the program ever end? < 1487826830 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the ASCII value of the inputted character have to be -1, so that when you add 1 to it and negate it, it becomes 1? < 1487826833 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome significance < 1487826834 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09significance: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1487826842 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thank you!! < 1487826889 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Would this be the right channel to ask my question? < 1487826906 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1487826911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a pretty good choice. < 1487826911 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks :) < 1487826920 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect -- thank you! < 1487826973 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably -1 is exactly the value befunge uses for end of input. < 1487826980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the case of an end-of-file or other file error condition, the & and ~ both act like r." < 1487826986 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ahh, thank you! < 1487826990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh < 1487826996 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://quadium.net/funge/spec98.html at least. < 1487827058 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does r just multiply by negative one? < 1487827074 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :r reverses direction < 1487827076 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1487827081 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-terxtthbtyiopand JOIN :#esoteric < 1487827082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r multiplies delta by -1 < 1487827085 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what oerjan said < 1487827088 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, gotcha < 1487827095 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487827109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I don't know anything about Befunge.) < 1487827110 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487827111 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i remember that is indeed what befunge uses for errors < 1487827127 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that send the control flow back to the comma? < 1487827131 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It seems pretty elegant, really. < 1487827209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would? < 1487827246 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it would go back to the underscore, but if the stack's empty, doesn't the underscore send the control flow to the right? < 1487827250 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what all the commands do there, so... < 1487827274 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487827281 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worries -- that sets me on the right track :) < 1487827283 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you! < 1487827375 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1487827380 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the stack empty? < 1487827400 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487827459 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I'm wrong. < 1487827468 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quirkster.com/iano/js/befunge.html puts -1 on the stack at EOF < 1487827480 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess Befunge-93 does it differently from Funge-98 < 1487827490 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you you shouldn't listen to me. < 1487827507 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: awesome, thank you! < 1487827514 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I feel like I learned even more this way :) < 1487827596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1487827721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway -> < 1487827726 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1487828348 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: [ < 1487829717 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan! Oerjan oerjan oerjan! < 1487829756 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øeıæŋ! < 1487829762 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øerıæŋ!* < 1487830723 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487831118 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppahppavillivillionon11 < 1487831131 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1487831134 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP pavillion < 1487831143 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the source of all evil < 1487831771 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487831796 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487831801 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:60a8:498a:deb4:5f38 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487832844 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made up a mine sweeper game with JavaScript it is https://www.npmjs.com/package/shapemines < 1487832917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The included graphics are monochrome and are not the best quality, but they will do. You can provide better graphics if you can do it. < 1487832989 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487833464 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have the feature suggestion and/or complaint? < 1487833728 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: It's written in JavaScript, but I don't seem to be able to run it in my browser. < 1487833760 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487833796 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's node.js, I think < 1487833807 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ridiculous platform, really. < 1487833823 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want something not run in a web browser, don't use JS. < 1487833945 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot http://zzo38computer.org/img_1C/mines.png < 1487833992 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: If you don't like JavaScript you can use other program language, but I think JavaScript is a OK scripting language < 1487834039 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a web browser. < 1487834194 0 :hppavilion2!?@? NICK :hppavilion1 < 1487834440 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487834529 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to run this program on web browser then you would need to implement the SDLTERM API on top of the HTML API, and change the file I/O, and then it can work. < 1487834584 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I am not going to change it for you. < 1487834655 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't my point. < 1487834673 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is, JS was designed as a web scripting language and it should stay that way. < 1487834701 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it wasn't, I...just don't like it anyway. Blargh. < 1487834725 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4B8F1.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487834979 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant as the reply to shachaf < 1487834996 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: I'm not even a fan of JS in a browser, but it's the only option < 1487835094 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't, in some cases you can just use HTML (it depend what you are making) < 1487835156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time fizzie < 1487835158 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Thu Feb 23 07:32:37 2017 < 1487835274 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily, hppavilion1. < 1487835294 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, for some things, yes. < 1487835294 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have other options for quite a few things. < 1487835306 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash, PHP, some kind of Microsoft version of PHP, < 1487835334 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: PHP isn't an option in the browser, Flash is a crime against humanity < 1487835358 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't PHP all about the server? < 1487835370 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like Flash or PHP so much (and the browser won't execute PHP code anyways) < 1487835412 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will if you compile it to JavaScript. < 1487835417 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I have written PHP codes too before (but don't do so much anymore); even IRC client I now use I had written in PHP. < 1487835433 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you run an x86 CPU emulator, and run Linux on it, and run PHP for that architecture. < 1487835434 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should construct a new programming language that should serve as an alternative to JS. < 1487835450 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I was redoing it today I may to write in JavaScript instead) < 1487835457 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew JS < 1487835487 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is something better < 1487835491 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh but still < 1487835526 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are a few problems, such as it doesn't have macros < 1487835667 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm barely aware of what macros are tbh < 1487835894 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487836368 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1487837258 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487837282 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487837733 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487837760 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487837808 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenGL will use normalized numbers for the colour of the pixel in textures, and I think this is what caused a problem I had with it because numbers such as 1/255 they don't store exactly in the floating point representation. (I worked around though, by adding .3 after multiplying by 255) < 1487838292 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the idea of an esolang which used "yes" and "no" for "true" and "false" < 1487838365 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487838481 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1487838487 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what you can make < 1487838681 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1487838897 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1487839076 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1487839537 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-terxtthbtyiopand QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1487839633 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487839660 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487840206 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487841862 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487841948 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487842482 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487842943 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487842971 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487843090 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487843106 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487843321 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zg0kphrc0uihzj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487847414 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: "yes" and "no" for true and false: don't some configuration files already support that? < 1487847586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's definitely a thing. < 1487847628 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some do 1, "true", "yes" and "on" vs. 0, "false", "no", "off". < 1487847666 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH does "yes" and "no" only for many parameters. < 1487848797 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487848812 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487848856 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:19e8:cff8:2c1f:1095 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487848882 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have a copy of The Witness, still unfinished. < 1487848893 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487848958 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got it as part of the Humble Freedom bundle, so fairly recently; since there's basically just one puzzle type, so far I think it isn't worth the retail price.) < 1487849186 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, for a game that tries to be like Myst, it fails in terms of atmosphere, story, and variety of puzzles. The graphics are far more beautiful of course. < 1487849353 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, Obduction fares better in user score and worse in reviews than The Witness on metacritic, what am I supposed to make of that? < 1487849380 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I'll be waiting for a 50% off deal. < 1487849426 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so on the verge of getting the freedom bundle. < 1487849646 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487849870 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of it as a donation with free games, so there's nothing to regrett. < 1487849873 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1487850024 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Swapper and Q.U.B.E. were quite enjoyable. The Stanley Parable is poison for obsessive people (perhaps I've missed an ending?) < 1487850277 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using walkthroughs as a cure for that particular disease.) < 1487850999 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You modern guys with your fancy games with multiple endings. Back in my days, you either saved the princess before GAME OVER or not, that's it. No variations. < 1487851265 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that game has the best achievement I've seen in a game so far: "don't play $GAME for five years". < 1487851307 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(achievements, of course, are another kind of modern knick-knack that's poison for obsessive people) < 1487851354 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice. does that require you to still have the same computer and files five years later? < 1487851419 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I *guess* you can get it by twiddling with the system clock. < 1487851478 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: isn't that cheating and not very far from just hex-editing all the badges into the save file? < 1487851491 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what's the point? < 1487851534 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for meaningless badges, sure, but still < 1487851546 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? potato < 1487851548 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1487851550 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? potatoes < 1487851551 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. < 1487852230 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true? < 1487852643 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible < 1487852682 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can *plant* potatoes. So if, for example, you want to control genetically modified food, then you end up with rules like that.) < 1487852828 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you take the germinating parts of GMO potatoes? < 1487853104 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FULL CHICKEN < 1487853404 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: yes, it's true. let me find the reference. < 1487853525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rdococ: http://konzuliszolgalat.kormany.hu/europa-utazasi-tanacsok?norvegia says so, and it references http://www.toll.no/ where you can find http://www.toll.no/en/goods/food/regulations-for-meat-milk-cheese-and-other-foods/ which confirms the claim < 1487853965 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpoxipkzewelhyee JOIN :#esoteric < 1487854375 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the whole game is enough of a parody that "what's the point" is close to being the whole point of the game. < 1487854425 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the endings, for example, just bring you back to the start of the game. < 1487854600 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that normal for games? you complete the game, save the princess, and get back to the start of the game because there's no more content. or maybe you get a newgame-plus that differs a little, but you're still basically at the start, in the bottom of the dungeon with your tiny starting inventory and (only 2 extra lives or as a level 1 character). < 1487854630 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some sandbox games, you may continue playing after you win, but there's not much additional content anyway. < 1487855716 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to get a coach to Finland < 1487856156 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "coach" is ambiguous in a funny way < 1487856366 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, cheap land-based transport < 1487856443 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the UK, ideally) < 1487856459 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to go one way or the other round the Baltic, which may present difficulties < 1487857233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: from where? < 1487857337 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: from here (Hungary), Finland is too far, so taking any combination of train and bus there is so ridiculously expensive that it's almost always less practical than going by airplane or car most of the way (you may have to use a bus or train leg together with the airplane of course) < 1487857373 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go by car, then you might need to take a ferry to cross the sea at some point. < 1487860306 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1487861062 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zg0kphrc0uihzj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487861327 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1487862046 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, from the UK < 1487862056 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domestically, coaches are often cheaper than plans < 1487862058 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*planes < 1487862077 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`finland < 1487862078 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: finland: not found < 1487862081 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1487862082 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1487862118 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, im very tempted to try and make Brainfuck in factorio. i have an idea on how to get it done and everything < 1487862184 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :using 2 mods: Recursive Blueprints, and Creative Mode (creative mode for infinite supplys) to allow the 'tape' to be extended infinitely, thus proving turing completeness in one fell swoop < 1487862209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: if you do, then write about this on the esowiki < 1487862217 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will :p < 1487862287 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, factorio, with its immense extensibility and practically infinite world, can probably handle any other esolang in existance if you try hard enough using combinators (you get the following: + - / * > < = !=) < 1487862313 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators themselves can be described as a esolang with a small amount of stretching :p < 1487862337 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does Vanilla Factorio have any genuinely renewable resources (beyond power) < 1487862364 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Water, and thats it, Oil pools slowly lose efficiency until they eventually hit '0' < 1487862407 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you expand out far enough, you can always find MORE resources, but they are not infinite < 1487862432 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a while since I've played < 1487862450 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i want the Creative Mpde mod if i try and make a infinite tape, because it has a special chest that can make infinite amounts of whatever item is in the first slot. < 1487862465 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, It has much better multiplayer support (its no longer p2p multiplayer) < 1487862480 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a builtin server list, alongside a builtin mod list and mod browser < 1487862495 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it definitely had servers back when I was playing it, because I was playing on a server, although it was a bit hacky < 1487862513 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, its much less hacky in terms of multiplayer now < 1487862528 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its centralised now, like any good game server < 1487862555 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0.15 is going to have a change to the way that belts handle items to grant a huge FPS boost < 1487862584 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it now records what items are there and the distance between each one instead of their X and Y pos on the belt) < 1487862622 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that halves the amount, and the distance rarely changes (only splitters, inserters, and other things that poke the belt's contents can chzange it) < 1487862648 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/amount/amount of memory used/ < 1487862770 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yea, i've been tossing the concept of how brainfuck in factorio would work. < 1487862792 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the smallest BF interp andwhats it's SRC? < 1487862861 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the SRC is in Assembly for some reason, thats better because ASM happens to be that much easier to translate to combinators < 1487862962 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you know any? < 1487862971 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, I'm afraid < 1487862983 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1487862995 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be that bit harder if i have to figure this out from scratch, but eh :p < 1487862999 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_implementations has a big list < 1487863062 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: I hear a lot of people play factorio, so you might find all sorts of practical hints about it on various places over the internet. you needn't figure out everything yourself < 1487863098 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, i know that :p < 1487863109 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a 200p discord for it. (Which im in) < 1487863151 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :200p as in 200 people joined? < 1487863155 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1487863434 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :after this im going to try something diffrent.. maybe a assembly -> factorio compiler for the heck of it? :P < 1487863608 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-rcjdqxkhlxpxacds QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487863830 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pphdqcicgkzeyljq JOIN :#esoteric < 1487863996 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, i have been corrected, factorio has a hardcoded limit of 2 million x 2 million < 1487863999 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiles < 1487864033 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho, like everything else, a little modding can get around that :P < 1487864042 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real limit once you have modded away at it is the CPU < 1487864065 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, no computer could handle a 2m x 2m factorio map. not even a supercomputer (game's singlethreaded) < 1487864099 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares :p < 1487864121 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll build a brainfuck interp and point out how close factorio it is to TC (thanks to the damn hardcoded map limit) < 1487864123 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1c2d:9b4:80b2:e4c2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487864145 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, i need halp < 1487864156 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been proven sorely wrong < 1487864159 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cri < 1487864180 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: go on? < 1487864204 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, factorio devs apparently hardcoded in a limit that no-one could reach, but still breaks TC, why'd they even bother? :P < 1487864244 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-one would ever reach that hardcoded limit, as the game only generates map as it needs to (when it enters the player's 'view') < 1487864337 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they somehow did, the game would be at a fair bit less than one FPS < 1487864805 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony, I had an idea a while back for a Minsky machine in Minecraft < 1487864833 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using slime blocks and a series of flying machines, with the players riding some relevant ones < 1487864881 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1487864911 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: the limit is probably still useful to mitigate the effects of bugs that accidentally put very high coordinates to some data structure < 1487864919 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs in the game implementation that is < 1487864924 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, possibly < 1487864935 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps also bugs in mods < 1487864964 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mods are written in lua, and are limited by the engine. (i know of no mods that add to the game directly) < 1487865042 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh so? those mods could still have bugs if they ever handle coordinates. < 1487865083 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1487865149 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487865156 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487865173 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487865211 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that < 1487865288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1487865980 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487866029 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487867024 0 :furozo!~harald@159.203.116.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487868064 0 :rottytooth!~daniel@38.96.153.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487868107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: How far into the game did you go? < 1487868156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing it and it's quite good in ways that aren't immediately obvious. < 1487868179 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d JOIN :#esoteric < 1487868202 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got one beam to the top of the mountain, and I visited the top of the mountain. < 1487868229 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it feels like maybe 20% done < 1487868237 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true that every puzzle involves drawing a line, more or less. < 1487868289 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've encountered a few not-so-obvious twists < 1487868302 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one very annoying one (garden mazes) < 1487868325 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates it when games require taking notes
< 1487868325 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you activated the castle laser? < 1487868337 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not the one I activated < 1487868371 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not exactly hate... but I've grown accustomd to games that don't) < 1487868377 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you notice your bug was fixed hth < 1487868386 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:c875:b151:3e30:a238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487868423 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can press Print Screen to save a screenshot into the screenshot directory, by the way. < 1487868429 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487868432 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, I think you've just caused me to accidentally close *so many* shells. < 1487868452 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've trained myself to automatically do the ^d^d when sprungeing stuff. < 1487868462 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d JOIN :#esoteric < 1487868474 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If curl starts obeying the first ^d, the second will go to bash. < 1487868503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no pleasing some people. < 1487868509 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is obvious, start a new interactive bash for the curl command < 1487868621 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1172/ < 1487868808 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( that xkcd is basically why i keep using IE... ) < 1487869085 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :bananaa. < 1487869125 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol... < 1487869129 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you still use IE? < 1487869134 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear for oerjan's sanity. < 1487869245 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my insanity has never been in question. < 1487869267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, not in this decade) < 1487869313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a sha1 collision. < 1487869316 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about time. < 1487869329 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( how many casualties ) < 1487869362 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zg0kphrc0uihzj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1487869366 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1487869393 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was going to ask you if the rumors were legitimate but I guess they were. < 1487869485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oerjan! Oerjan oerjan oerjan! <-- also, *someone* seems a little bit obsessed. < 1487869497 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of my greetings now. < 1487869502 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487869502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1487869513 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oerjan oerjan! < 1487869532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you seem to think everyone is obsessed with you < 1487869595 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just because i'm paranoid etc. < 1487869611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487869611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1487869611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1487869811 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's node.js, I think <-- . o O ( clearly nodeJS needs a browser backend ) < 1487869822 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1487869840 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to be consistent when you can only see half the line you're typing. < 1487869867 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is one downside to 80 columns in irssi. < 1487869922 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487869937 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess e had nothing significant to say < 1487870002 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :signific, ants < 1487870015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :significance, ants < 1487870036 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o 0 ( Time -> Factorio ) < 1487870119 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Which rumours? < 1487870126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( hm can irssi support two rows for the input? ) < 1487870159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, resizing up to a limit < 1487870210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that could be annoying when browsing history < 1487870244 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That Google would announce a thing today. < 1487870268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be no irssi options with "input" or "row" in them < 1487870278 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can try asking on #irssi < 1487870290 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, i thought you were still talking abou It's node.js, I think < 1487870300 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh stupid touchpad < 1487870302 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1487870317 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487870318 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, sorry, on #irssi on IRCNet < 1487870337 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, did we announce something today? < 1487870351 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :announce what? moon base again? < 1487870363 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, i thought you were still talking about sha1 < 1487870405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was. < 1487870433 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1487870439 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't hear about that. < 1487870443 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1487870454 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're in luck, the feature has already been proposed on the bugtracker: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=372 *veg* < 1487870466 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"veg"? < 1487870471 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :very evil grin < 1487870483 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn d00bbe65d80f6d53d5c15da7c6b4f0a655c5a86a is the first checksum for which a collision in SHA-1 was found. < 1487870486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'd00bbe65d80f6d53d5c15da7c6b4f0a655c5a86a': d00bbe65d80f6d53d5c15da7c6b4f0a655c5a86a is the first checksum for which a collision in SHA-1 was found. < 1487870494 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's stupid < 1487870532 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's necessary as a wisdom entry. < 1487870540 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` rm -v wisdom/d00bbe65d80f6d53d5c15da7c* < 1487870543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed `wisdom/d00bbe65d80f6d53d5c15da7c6b4f0a655c5a86a' < 1487870545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that's not what i meant, anyway. i meant wrapping the line over more than one line when it's long. < 1487870548 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, it's stupid < 1487870562 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they can find one collision, then they can find many other collisions too < 1487870570 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm pretty sure that's what they mean < 1487870578 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487870582 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing special about the first one < 1487870645 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok right, the comments seem to imply something else. < 1487870654 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and much more evil) < 1487870694 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so are they announcing a moon base today or not? < 1487870713 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true. I guess "multiline" prompt has two reasonable interpretations... < 1487870729 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but given the history of that report I wouldn't worry about those semantics too much. < 1487870781 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1487870812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a multiline prompt isn't so easy to implement, I think < 1487870901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: clearly their moon base is where they did all the sha-1 brute forcing hth < 1487870949 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( don't mind that growing spot you see on the moon, it's just computronium ) < 1487871139 0 :rodgort`!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487871152 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487871349 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now, researchers have demonstrated a similar type of real-world attack against SHA1, which ironically was widely adopted after the insecurity of MD5 became well-known." < 1487871353 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the irony here? < 1487871481 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487871491 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People started leaping to SHA-1 at about the time attacks on SHA-1 began to seem plausible. < 1487871559 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that in *2008* CAs still used MD5. < 1487871770 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-195-68.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's actually rather promising that some rather important things (the CA ecosystem) abandoned SHA-1 before this. < 1487871952 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1487871973 0 :fowl!sid209700@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pbqtclhrfnqxzvgy PART #esoteric : < 1487872168 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@68.ip-149-56-14.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487872203 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I *guess* you can get it by twiddling with the system clock. <-- hm is there a system for digitally signed times... < 1487872283 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that seems closely related to the time-locked messages discussion we had... last week, I guess? < 1487872293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping exists < 1487872297 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy if you have trusted parties < 1487872319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i don't remember that discussion... < 1487872351 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically impossible without though you can get there to some extend based on computationally expensive tasks < 1487872382 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this case i assume the game creator would decide who to trust... < 1487872404 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick *me*! < 1487872424 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent choice < 1487872431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1487872435 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Thu Feb 23 18:53:51 2017 < 1487872446 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: no no, i'm not to be trusted < 1487872448 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time int-e < 1487872449 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for int-e is Thu Feb 23 18:54:07 2017 < 1487872474 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you came astonishingly close though < 1487872555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously too much latency < 1487872566 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, instead of trusted parties you could shoot physical objects into space and wait until they return < 1487872641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( trusted parties don't like being shot into space, i think ) < 1487872751 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe blink a cryptographically signed message at Alpha Centauri b and wait for its reflection... there may be some implementation challenges to overcome first. < 1487872782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_may be_ < 1487872807 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it should be good for a very secure 8.5 year delay. < 1487872857 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm of course inspired by https://what-if.xkcd.com/13/ < 1487872857 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems susceptible to a space-probe-in-the-middle attack < 1487872881 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sure, but you'd have to be proactive to get it there :P < 1487872927 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you depend on your adversary not being proactive? that's security by obscurity! < 1487872981 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm all for obscurity. Otherwise why would I be *here*? < 1487873031 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adversity by obversity < 1487873047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn obversity < 1487873048 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "obversity". < 1487873056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn obverse < 1487873058 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "obverse" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1487873058 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :obverse < 1487873058 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the more conspicuous of two alternatives or cases or sides; < 1487873058 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "the obverse of this issue" < 1487873058 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: the side of a coin or medal bearing the principal stamp or < 1487873060 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : design [ant: {reverse}, {verso}] < 1487873090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1487873647 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487873686 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d JOIN :#esoteric < 1487873812 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487873925 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d JOIN :#esoteric < 1487874827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1487876637 0 :furozo!~harald@159.203.116.137 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1487877614 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:1c2d:9b4:80b2:e4c2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487878502 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:391f:4133:9b50:884d QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487878772 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e1ba:1231:acd2:5496 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487878885 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:9dd3:a761:94b1:e0a4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487878935 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487879105 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:e1ba:1231:acd2:5496 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487879508 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@82.238.218.67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487879595 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487879898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that for every real number there's a series of rational nubmers that converges to it? < 1487879914 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that being true < 1487879917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487880019 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 100 mph -> m/s < 1487880024 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5588/125 (exactly 44.704) < 1487880029 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some crazy ass-winds. < 1487880092 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwere? < 1487880107 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: reboot? < 1487880109 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Storm Doris: Live updates as 100mph winds cause travel disruption across the country" < 1487880116 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere around here. < 1487880125 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's so bad right here in London. < 1487880200 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :around here it's ridiculously warm for a february day < 1487880218 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487880221 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had one of those on Monday. < 1487880224 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :+18 degrees. < 1487880257 0 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1487880264 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Cythereforming of Earth continues < 1487880423 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1487880441 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that doesn't seem to be a real word < 1487880483 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cytheraforming? < 1487880486 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nonce word now. < 1487880602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it SHOULD mean "changing the climate of a planet to more resemble Venus" < 1487880702 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cythera- being the scientific prefix for Venus (because Venerean is too close to Venereal and Aphrodisial is too close to Aphrodisiac) < 1487880774 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example to go to Venus you perform a "Trans-Cytherean Ejection" < 1487880795 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1487881169 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487881546 0 :pixels!~pixels@216.186.213.77 QUIT :Quit: Segmentation fault < 1487881627 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487882514 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@82.238.218.67 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487882627 0 :erkin!~erkin@unaffiliated/erkin QUIT :Quit: Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying... < 1487882714 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you use -F 'field=<-' that often? < 1487882777 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@12.168.211.234 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487883719 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487884696 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1487885570 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk JOIN :#esoteric < 1487885576 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1487885696 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk PART #esoteric : < 1487885826 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zg0kphrc0uihzj.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1487886976 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk JOIN :#esoteric < 1487887090 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk PART #esoteric : < 1487887420 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487887586 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm guessing about once a week, maybe a little bit more. < 1487887606 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's the canonical solution here: http://sprunge.us/ < 1487887607 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1487887611 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1487887619 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1487887635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make sprunge.us accept grpc hth < 1487887642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine for pasting the output of a command, but I often copy-paste to get "$ command line" part in as well. < 1487887680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be okay by doing a "sprunge-it foo bar baz" wrapper that'd do (echo '$ foo bar baz'; foo bar baz) | sprunge. < 1487887687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then I'd need to remember to use that. < 1487887714 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also wouldn't use your non-exported variables and other shell things. < 1487887730 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a-true too. < 1487887775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't like CapnProto because it made you feel bad for protobuf, right? < 1487887781 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1487887794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A very non-rational reason.) < 1487887827 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like how it stores things xored against the default value so that zeros always correspond to the default value? < 1487887858 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I care about non-zero default values sufficiently much to feel too excited about that. < 1487887883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1487887896 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think proto3 removed non-zero default values entirely, right? < 1487887909 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/proto3#default sounds like that. < 1487887943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe you can feel better knowing that sandstorm.io went out of business. < 1487888002 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think now I just feel bad for them. < 1487888041 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the etymology of sandstorm.io have anything to do with Darude's Sandstorm? < 1487888146 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1487888191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darude is a famous Finnish musician, I suppose. < 1487888205 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Sibelius. < 1487888228 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just like that. < 1487888278 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day in our confidential communication you said something like "like this, just like that". < 1487888435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plausible. I don't remember what I may or may not have said. < 1487888688 0 :augur_!~augur@2601:645:8300:2b03:9dd3:a761:94b1:e0a4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1487889718 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487889816 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal mine sweeper game with a uniform square grid with king's adjacency, but I also made up other modes too, such as: knight's adjacency, board wrapping, grid with holes in it, grid with some cells are bigger than the other one, game that orthogonal adjacencies count double, etc. < 1487889844 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1487889876 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk JOIN :#esoteric < 1487889966 0 :Marcela_Gandara!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-gvayikfzxyjjydmk PART #esoteric : < 1487890175 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487890288 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1487890445 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487890598 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve JOIN :#esoteric < 1487890924 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1487891540 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487891795 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about grids that are the surface of a Klein bottle < 1487891811 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in hyperbolic space < 1487891831 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-pphdqcicgkzeyljq QUIT :Excess Flood < 1487891879 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wuwjbohgqtjgkerr JOIN :#esoteric < 1487892038 0 :significance!~significa@207.173.83.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487892039 0 :tromp__!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1487892071 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1487892146 0 :Marcela_Gandara1!~Marcela_G@201-238-15-31.dyn.movilnet.com.ve QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1487892150 0 :significance!~significa@73.96.112.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487892359 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what about them < 1487892382 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might be fun to sweep mines in < 1487892477 0 :significance!~significa@73.96.112.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1487892551 0 :significance!~significa@73.96.113.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487892968 0 :significance!~significa@73.96.113.124 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1487893188 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK can you explain how to do that? < 1487893433 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:3885:57ce:2fdf:6ef4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1487893928 0 :significance!~significa@2601:1c0:6100:ecc3:3885:57ce:2fdf:6ef4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds