< 1486080008 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Freeware in the 1990s sense. Free software that you can donate to if you so wish but otherwise just use because it's convenient. < 1486080014 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shareware is different < 1486080050 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with sharware, which is software distributed in a shell archive. < 1486080064 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1486080193 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486080395 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like shar < 1486080461 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I managed to build an executable jar. it was way too complex. < 1486080644 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486080653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hppa 2 < 1486080863 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486080940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what bit numbers have never been used < 1486081152 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1486081178 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, has anyone made a 13-bit computer? < 1486081199 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a 128 bit computer < 1486081287 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The IBM System/370 could be considered the first simple 128-bit computer, as it used 128-bit floating-point registers.” ― https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/128-bit < 1486081457 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipédia lists 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 32, 34, 36, 39, 40, 48, 50, 60 and 64-bit architectures. < 1486081492 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also weird oddities here and there, at least one 6-trit architecture, and a bunch of decimal digit archs. < 1486081519 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apollo guidance computer, 15 bit < 1486081651 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was 16 bits but one bit was just a parity < 1486081674 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea, given space radiation and all < 1486081834 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every memory read and memory write was checked for parity < 1486081900 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486082662 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486082705 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486083386 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the Sega Dreamcast 128 bit, at which point everyone gave up on the bit wars because it had got rather silly? < 1486083700 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486083707 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486084105 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the Dreamcast is any more "128 bit" as x86 SIMDy things. < 1486084153 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a plain old-fashioned 32-bit SH-4 CPU, and a "four 32-bit floats" SIMD thing. < 1486084176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm sure that's good enough to use the term "128-bit" in marketing. < 1486084183 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I was always told that it and the PS2 were 128-bit... < 1486084191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486084192 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean to be n-bit? < 1486084205 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traditionally, n-bit databus < 1486084206 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was, then I'm typing this on a 256-bit system. < 1486084227 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if that was true, serial computers would be 1-bit... < 1486084286 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the original PC would be 8-bit (time division multiplexed 16-bit) < 1486084383 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With no further qualification, a 64-bit computer architecture generally has integer and addressing processor registers that are 64 bits wide, allowing direct support for 64-bit data types and addresses. However, a CPU might have external data buses or address buses with different sizes from the registers, even larger (the 32-bit Pentium had a 64-bit data bus, for instance[2]). The term may ... < 1486084389 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :... also refer to the size of low-level data types, such as 64-bit floating-point numbers." < 1486084406 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the Wikipedia definition, which is relevant for that list above. < 1486084456 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is a weird one, because the smallest registers are 8 bit and the biggest up to 64 bit < 1486084489 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is a whole nother of weirdness. < 1486084531 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD6303 had 2 8-bit accumulators that could be combined into a 16-bit accumulator, just as the 8086 had with AH/AL/AX, yet the HD6303 was described as 8-bit... < 1486084540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 is 80-bit at least < 1486084545 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that only x87? < 1486084570 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: same thing since the pentium... < 1486084588 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So x means 5 or more? < 1486084607 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1486084712 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition did say "integer and addressing". < 1486084767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at the last sentence. < 1486084795 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD6303 had a 16-bit index register, a 16-bit address bus and with it's combined 16-bit accumulator is as much 16 bit as the 8086, surely? < 1486084820 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 is in the same camp. < 1486084830 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet everyone counts it as 8-bit. < 1486084836 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many people, anyway. < 1486084886 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 had no 16-bit accumulator. Neither did the 6502. The HD6303 did. < 1486085027 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been reading a lot about the HD6303X recently...
< 1486085095 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, no 16-bit accumulator? < 1486085102 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do a lot of stuff 16-bit. < 1486085128 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including adding things. < 1486085155 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 has an 8-bit accumulator and 6 8-bit general purpose registers that can be paired to be 16-bit < 1486085173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a ridiculous distinction. < 1486085184 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can increment a 16-bit register pair. < 1486085186 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1486085189 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't accumulators technically < 1486085299 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486085396 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you can't do everything with them, but AIUI, you can't do everything on the 16-bit pair of the HD6303 either. < 1486085423 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1486085439 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION crawls back into his hole
< 1486085508 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly even the Z80 user manual reserves the "accumulator" term for A. I just think it's a little silly. < 1486085556 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A had functionality not afforded to the other registers, just as AX has over BX, CX and DX... < 1486085658 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has unique functionality as well, and it doesn't get a catchy name. < 1486085662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for a petition. < 1486085689 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :("IN r, (C)" and "OUT (C), r".) < 1486085701 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it accumulating functionality though? < 1486085734 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In x86, they all have names: Accumulator, Base register, Counter and Data register... < 1486085749 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :HL serves as the "16-bit accumulator", arguably. < 1486085759 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1486085781 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much Z80 programming; I know the 6502 programming though, which has A, X, and Y register, and the operations available on each are different (although some operations are available for more than one of them or for all of them). < 1486085820 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the 6502 had a B too? Or is that just the 6800 on which it was based? < 1486085860 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 has no B register < 1486085875 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe processors are just too different to conform to our taxonomies... < 1486085899 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, it's 1:40 AM here. I'm off to bed. < 1486085908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the video processor instruction set in a computer design I made has A and B registers (each 8-bits), it is somewhat based on 6502 but there are many differences. < 1486086188 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486086436 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI TMS320C54xx series of DSPs has two accumulators, A and B, each 40 bits wide. (In addition, it has 8 16-bit auxiliary registers AR0 to AR7, and one 16-bit temporary register T.) < 1486086482 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people call it a 16-bit DSP, even though it's got those 40-bit accumulators. < 1486086484 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK I did not know that, now I do < 1486086518 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The memory is word-addressilble with a word size of 16, so probably that's fair. < 1486087058 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486088760 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: UPDATED CHICKEN < 1486089502 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486089767 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486090519 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486091161 0 :pledis_!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1486091168 0 :pledis!~nayoung@2400:6180:0:d0::383:e001 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486091940 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486092188 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://snag.gy/AokWHh.jpg < 1486092197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am i flying i dont even < 1486092238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even remotely shaped like an aeroplane < 1486092721 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486092801 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be an #esoteric-offtopic < 1486092830 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting the center of gravity... why wouldn't it fly? < 1486092873 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486093001 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486094081 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell krok_ maybe there should be an #esoteric-offtopic <- that's what #esoteric-blah is for, i think < 1486094082 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486094151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's what #esoteric was for, and #esoteric-blah is for spam. < 1486094313 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains why #esoteric-ontopic is empty < 1486094473 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486097263 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486098118 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486098884 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486098942 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486099004 0 :linuxenia!~linuxenia@82.144.205.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486099570 0 :kiki`!uid170954@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lelgylgxefdlhcks QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1486100530 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486100630 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486100991 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486102590 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486102849 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486103313 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6167:e13:704:3925 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486103576 0 :augur!~augur@2602:304:cdac:e260:6167:e13:704:3925 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486103685 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486103848 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486105563 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a preprocessor for OpenGL shader program to be able to write fractions with slashes, and then I wrote this fragment program: http://sprunge.us/HcjK Do you like this? < 1486106249 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106491 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b93f:799f:bba1:39df JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106518 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486106642 0 :icnonzero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106675 0 :icnonzero!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486106686 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486106762 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:b93f:799f:bba1:39df QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1486107473 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1486109489 0 :linuxenia!~linuxenia@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486111502 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers JOIN :#esoteric < 1486112356 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486112984 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1486113455 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486113698 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486114936 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486114941 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Thanks. < 1486114960 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrelloman < 1486114988 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably time for cgi.hs to display a textarea instead of a one line input box :D < 1486115138 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdbc, seriously? < 1486115266 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486115271 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make that conditionally < 1486115276 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't need it when building without IO < 1486115282 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that was a complaint about HDBC itself < 1486115287 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1486115294 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need it for MySQL < 1486115299 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque can now do DB stuff < 1486115300 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1486115335 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :setup: The program 'mysql_config' is required but it could not be found <--- hdbc-mysql doesn't build without mysql, so making that optional would be a good idea, I think < 1486115536 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I expect it'll want the mysql client library as well... just didn't get to that point) < 1486115574 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486115578 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll add some more ifdefs < 1486115827 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. pull and try again. < 1486115945 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :need MySQL so I can write websites in it . < 1486115963 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not planning on it. < 1486116013 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the support is lousy. Not all data types are even mapped) < 1486116028 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Burlesque is lousy. The code is so underdocumented and garbage) < 1486116044 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's like runStack, runStack' and runStack'' and I have no idea what they were all for :D) < 1486116078 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to maintain Burlesque is to ignore all the crapiness and just keep adding stuff. < 1486116103 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what existing stuff exactly does, don't change it, just add more stuff even if it's redundant :D < 1486116116 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( where "Burlesque" is a placeholder for any of 99% of all software projects on Earth ) < 1486116165 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/bILXgFqW <- it know even has better syntax < 1486116170 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like procedures and stuff < 1486116185 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just hacked on top of stuff that was hacked on top of some other stuff < 1486116267 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say you're building your code on top of an existing framework. < 1486116273 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory < 1486116287 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could now create wrapper procs for all builtins < 1486116294 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proc reverse { <- } proc add { ?+ } < 1486116295 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1486116302 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would start to look like a decent language :D < 1486116329 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also javascript style objects are already on the way < 1486116330 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1486116350 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I have I/O I can go completely nuts < 1486116398 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like mutable hashmaps < 1486116439 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this point I'm sure to win "crappiest language on earth" AND "crappiest implementation on earth" < 1486116447 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at this < 1486116482 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1486116485 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 - 2017 < 1486116489 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlesque is 5 years old! < 1486116507 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have 5 years of experience and 5 years of supporting customers! < 1486116519 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not yet one customer has ever complained < 1486116535 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it builds... and I've updated it on the VM < 1486116540 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay :) < 1486116578 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I can update the link on my website < 1486116605 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an old version of the cgi there anyway, but I guess you saw that < 1486116650 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1486116677 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually use blsq < 1486116680 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :%in? ln{WD^p'/;;[~'-;;-]{}j_+j_+ri}m[ ><{0!!j0!!==}gb{J0!!0!!j)[~++@1024?/@1024?/@1024?/{}j_+j+]}m[sp < 1486116684 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some code I wrote today < 1486116711 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to parse some log file with file sizes < 1486116784 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( you should make a build system in it, right \oren\ ? ) < 1486116837 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a directory with files in it and I need to copy them to some other system through another system and there's not enough space on disk to do it in a whole bunch < 1486116855 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the code above groups the files into "groups of files" and their file sizes < 1486116865 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I know how/what I can copy them < 1486116901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486117089 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... threads :D < 1486117108 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go with time and paralell processing is a nice feature < 1486117244 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many languages like Burlesque, Golfscript, Flogscript < 1486117254 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays < 1486117271 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to PPCPG on stackoverflow. < 1486117301 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to add features to be able to make Burlesque stand out from the rest :p < 1486117345 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486117874 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ayt? < 1486117905 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In M:tG, remember I complained how the phrasing of the Spreading Seas ability is really opaque, and I suggested a reworded ability could make the enchanted land be a copy of a template pristine Island straight from the Gatherer? < 1486117931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I just found a precedent for that: Peacekeeper Avatar (Vanguard) http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=182281 works that way. < 1486117977 0 :spockers!~spockers@unaffiliated/spockers PART #esoteric :"bye http://i.imgur.com/nkzOWAv.jpg" < 1486118565 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486118986 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also redecorated the webpage (http://mroman.ch/burlesque/) :p < 1486119459 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I just hire an indian to write the documentation for me :( < 1486119486 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or any other person from countries I could actually afford to hire anybody. < 1486119614 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could get some of my students to do it. < 1486119614 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1486120450 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: if you have students, that can help with boring tasks like that. just make sure to prioritize and not overwork them, so they can also grade exams and teach and stuff like that. < 1486120547 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to apply to be a student again soo < 1486120550 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1486120709 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486120976 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486121716 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486122389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: yliolleh < 1486122424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan !nitam najrøb < 1486122424 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1486122593 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjoily < 1486123755 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanelle! < 1486123999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: CLOTHE CHICKEN < 1486124366 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486124478 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can't really ask students for personal favours. < 1486124490 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not illegal < 1486124491 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1486124502 0 :mroman!~mroman@160.85.232.50 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds wrong. < 1486124586 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: of course not. the task they help you in has to be a professional one. < 1486124607 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not asking favors, you're giving them tasks for their employment. < 1486124614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring tasks < 1486124625 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1486126059 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486127394 0 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:AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6bam6rp5jhio.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1486137781 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7849:9df7:2166:351 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486138446 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486138765 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486139916 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486140357 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippa~ < 1486140869 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486140926 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141020 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego is back! < 1486141040 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1486141044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1486141166 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey look! everyday heroes comics ("http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/") has posted two strips and a filler strips, after a hiatus of like 11 months. < 1486141236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`everydayheroeslist < 1486141237 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: everydayheroeslist: not found < 1486141239 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smack jeeves? I remember there was a browser toolbar named ask jeeves a long time ago < 1486141270 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I think that's because Jeeves is like some nickname for some common given name in American or something < 1486141282 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1486141300 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486141313 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a search engine called Ask Jeeves < 1486141329 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the PG Wodehouse character from Jeeves and Wooster, famously played by Stephen Fry < 1486141396 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I only remember the toolbar, which was really hard to uninstall, you had to delete fiels and registry keys manually < 1486141418 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ask Jeeves was more of a thing in the UK < 1486141436 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It folded in, like, 2007??? because everyone and their mum was using Google < 1486141495 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh, like the skype browser plugin that you can disable in the plugin settings, but keeps re-enabling itself every time skype updates itself? < 1486141538 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486141580 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaces every sequence of digits with a link to call that interpreted as a phone number in skype, everywhere in every webpage? < 1486141605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486141615 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141624 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WUT < 1486141659 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, that sounds like one of the worst browser cancers of the XP era, the dreaded red advertisement links < 1486141674 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, except that one is from the windows 7 era < 1486141745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you'd think microsoft would sanction skype for doing that crap < 1486141755 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than that web-based mailing list archive viewer they used to have on the gnu servers, which thought that if an at sign followed by a letter anywhere in the text of the mail, then it totally has to remove the surrounding part of the text for "spam protection" just in case it's an email address. mangles source code (especially perl) snippets you post on the mailing list unreadable through the archives. < 1486141782 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how is microsoft involved? this was before microsoft bought skype, and the plugin applies for the firefox browser < 1486141801 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the firefox devs eventually broke the auto-enabler though < 1486141812 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1486141813 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took a heck of a long time < 1486141839 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may have been other skype plugins to non-XUL browsers too, I just don't know about thos < 1486141861 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't much of an internet explorer user < 1486141924 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486141953 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the red link disease still exists but they're green and double underlined these days < 1486142063 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno I never trusted cool cursor programs again after that. < 1486142185 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1486142199 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1486142267 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486142412 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasnt there some years back some .ico and .cur collections offered for free with no strings attached? I downloaded one and it was just a .zip file with instructions where to drag and drop the files. No turing executable code at all and all the files passed virus checkers and format conformity checkers too. < 1486142436 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: well those don't make money, so they don't get advertised aggressively < 1486142448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years, like every third advert was for "free smileys" or the like < 1486142470 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been wondering for a long while, intermittently, what that was about? My current hyppothesis is someone was just sick of seeing badly done icons and cursors. < 1486142485 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Client Quit < 1486142497 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1486142558 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: it was about spreading trojans < 1486142560 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there were some intresting adverts on the download page. (Though no fake download buttons) < 1486142582 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the one you found < 1486142593 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yebb. < 1486142655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean I made by own font with 20000 characters because none of the ones I had suited my tastes perfectly < 1486142704 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wait, it has 20000 characters now? how many non-hangul ones? < 1486142713 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe a rogue graphic artist wanted to spread good icons around < 1486142721 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: let me check < 1486142739 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I have seen but advertising it? Though it might be that the author(s) wanted to spread those cursors and icons and used the advertising revenue from the download page ads to pay for their own ads. < 1486142752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-laud < 1486142752 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 5h 38m 47s ago: !nitam najrøb < 1486142759 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: it could also be malware < 1486142763 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 20758 characters < 1486142784 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nope, as I said. Passed virus scanners and format checkers. < 1486142814 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 11,172 precomposed hangul < 1486142851 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dc 20758 11172 - p < 1486142852 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc: Could not open file 20758 11172 - p < 1486142862 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: maybe you should add a line to the bottom of allchars.htm telling how many non-hangul chars you have < 1486142865 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :` dc <<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142866 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1486142872 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142873 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the bot's back now? < 1486142873 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: warning: here-document at line 4 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `20758 11172 - p') < 1486142874 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :virus scanners cant catch everything but if format checkers dont catch it then it is very unlikely that they could exploit something like libpng vulernabilities undetected < 1486142878 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: one more < < 1486142878 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a quote I wanted to add < 1486142887 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dc <<<'20758 11172 - p' < 1486142888 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9586 < 1486142895 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote opposite of Gnome < 1486142896 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1486142905 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142907 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1308) basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142910 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote opposite of Gnome < 1486142911 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1308) basically, doing the opposite of Gnome 3 at every opportunity is probably the best way to design a UI < 1486142920 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did the bot come back? < 1486142932 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the wiki back as writable too now? < 1486142939 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:59 < 1486142950 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 17:32 right now < 1486142959 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, \oren\ is in the same timezone as me < 1486142966 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(according to my server's time zone) < 1486142967 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: you don't live in Hexham do you? < 1486142975 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:54:28 --- HackEgo has joined #esoteric < 1486142985 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still locked. When will you unlock it? < 1486142991 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you already sorted out the time zone) < 1486143002 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: your clock is 3 minutes fast, I think < 1486143012 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to fix that < 1486143034 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(barely resisting the temptation to say that it's 57 minutes slow) < 1486143040 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are two copies of the wiki; the "locked" one is the backup copy, which is permanently read-only (because changes to it wouldn't affect the main copy) < 1486143047 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a variant of the date command that allows me to subtract < 1486143075 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date -d '1 hour ago' < 1486143076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Feb 3 16:31:12 UTC 2017 < 1486143089 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%s # unix epoch timestamp < 1486143090 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1486143086 < 1486143111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm disappointed that it isn't using a new zealand variant of UTC < 1486143121 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, the bot's back now? <-- OOOOOOH < 1486143129 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then how to use it? < 1486143140 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it's the winter, so the people in Iceland (who are in permanent winter) are in the same timezone as you know as well < 1486143152 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date < 1486143153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Feb 3 17:32:29 UTC 2017 < 1486143171 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: once the main server is back up, the esolangs.org name will be directed back at it (although that has to be done manually, probably by fizzie) < 1486143178 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1486143189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, sudo date -s '3 minutes ago'? < 1486143212 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that worked < 1486143238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe the clock went back < 1486143256 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1486143257 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​>:-D < 1486143269 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes. I usually write it as sudo date -s "now -180sec" or something, then kill -9 $$ after that so I don't accidentally repeat it from the bash history < 1486143292 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: since you're here, let me repeat what I tried to say from earlier < 1486143316 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: OK. Maybe I missed it before < 1486143328 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In M:tG, remember I complained how the phrasing of the Spreading Seas ability is really opaque, and I suggested a reworded ability could make the enchanted land be a copy of a template pristine Island straight from the Gatherer? < 1486143333 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a precedent for that: Peacekeeper Avatar (Vanguard) http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=182281 works that way. < 1486143389 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now mind you, that might not mean much, because there's also the Momir Vig avatar card that creates a copy of a random creature card from all the cards available in the format or something < 1486143393 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I think that way isn't very good. < 1486143402 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1486143405 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor is the Momir Vig avatar, actually.) < 1486143420 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sure < 1486143433 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a different problem < 1486143437 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effects should not depend on the database. < 1486143448 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: IMO the phrasing should be "Enchanted land is an Island with '{T}: add {U} to your mana pool' and no other abilities" < 1486143464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this would work under the current rules but would be redundant; however it would allow the rules to be simplified) < 1486143467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't work < 1486143472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't really like that either though. < 1486143477 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: why not? < 1486143482 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that apply the ability removal too high in the layers? < 1486143518 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter what the layer sequence is, because the "no other abilities" doesn't remove the ability that Spreading Seas grants itself due to the word "other" < 1486143526 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, wouldn't it remove abilities added by eg. Urborg, Tomb? < 1486143528 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Still, those are *real people* we're disappointifying. Not just #esoteric regulars. < 1486143529 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1309) Still, those are *real people* we're disappointifying. Not just #esoteric regulars. < 1486143551 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh, I wasn't trying to replicate the exact current interactions of the card with other cards < 1486143551 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, it would remove too many abilities < 1486143563 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't try to _exactly_ replicate it either < 1486143567 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just close enoguh to rarely make a difference < 1486143590 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying a land on it differs too, eg. it would turn Dryad Arbor to a noncreature < 1486143619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1486143626 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subtype gives it the implicit ability "{T}: Add {U} to your mana pool" (i.e. that ability does not come directly from its text). I think that "normal Island" or something like that would work better to not change it too much. < 1486143633 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't make Dryad Arbor a noncreature, it doesn't change permanent types < 1486143651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean _my_ copying solution would turn Dryad Arbor to a noncreature < 1486143654 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, I think Islands should have an explicit ability "{T}: add {U} to your mana pool" < 1486143660 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: ah right < 1486143725 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: explicit as in not granted by the subtype? < 1486143733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1486143739 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed on the card, too! < 1486143778 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're not saying this only because the first printed versions of them had them printed, right? (I have some Fourth Edition Islands in fact). < 1486143798 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, don't need to print it on the card < 1486143864 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know if they should have an explicit ability, but if they would, I think it might be better if the rules said that the big mana symbol in the text box represents that ability, rather than printing the text. < 1486143875 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the first printed versions likely followed the same reasoning I am < 1486143888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they thought the giant mana symbol version was less confusing for new players < 1486143898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although this has lead to a lot of players thinking that llanowar elves was some sort of tutor < 1486143923 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printing the ability certainly makes teaching beginners easier (there's always beginners who keep confusing lands with mana), but it's distracting for later players, because basic lands are so common and so varied in appearance that the giant mana symbol makes them easier to recognize. You don't have to spend time reading the ability. < 1486143935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I should get the rules for my TCG that shachaf keeps pestering me about finished < 1486143941 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a fairly neat fix for this sort of issue < 1486143945 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apparently they thought the giant mana symbol version was less confusing for new players" -- what? really? < 1486143948 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way < 1486143957 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've updated the allchars.txt to include a count of non-hangul < 1486144009 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um... most TCGs don't have land cards producing mana, so the whole problem doesn't even come up. besides, it's easier to fix these things when you don't have to be compatible with, what, 20 years of history. < 1486144015 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh nice! thanks < 1486144068 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: wow, 20000 is a lot < 1486144077 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Turing-Complete Game ) < 1486144112 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't think a newly defined trading card game would likely be turing complete < 1486144114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: like M:tG, you mean? :-) < 1486144124 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: exactly. < 1486144127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's typically only a matter of the right cards being printed < 1486144129 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes lots of expansions to get enough crazy cards for that < 1486144133 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1486144134 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory you could have a card that's Turing-complete by itself < 1486144138 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1486144139 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144149 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most games don't aim for that < 1486144181 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Subtractpocalypse was inspired by FTL's scripting system, for what it's worth < 1486144198 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that only has four variables, and the TCness proof needs more < 1486144215 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think some games actively try to avoid infinite resource completion by some resource ranking, so that every game ends in a finite time, and the game tree is limited by a smallish ordinal < 1486144311 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :resource ranking as in some ordering of the kinds of resources such that you can get any of a kind of resource only by spending some of a resource that's greater in the ordering, and every resource is quantized so you can only have natural number of amounts of them < 1486144564 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144564 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :BooK_!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :ineiros_!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144571 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144577 0 :pdxleif!~pdxleif@ec2-54-68-166-10.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144578 0 :BooK!~book@klonk.bruhat-souche.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144580 0 :viznut!viznut@lowfidelity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144581 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144581 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144583 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144592 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144592 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486144600 0 :L3viathan!~L3viathan@l3vi.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there was just a wallop warning that this sort of thing might happen < 1486144601 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144604 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144611 0 :vifino!~vifino@tty.sh JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144611 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repeated very short netsplits, that is) < 1486144623 0 :L3viathan!?@? NICK :Guest78015 < 1486144669 0 :pelegreno!~cinch@107.170.175.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144857 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486144905 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:7849:9df7:2166:351 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486145404 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses curl --connect-to to check that the real wiki is up
< 1486145729 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1486145840 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has edited /etc/hosts
< 1486145857 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I realized that I don't really have anything to edit on the wiki. < 1486145861 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486145917 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1486145995 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146180 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146190 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146256 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1486146263 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's back? I didn't even notice. < 1486146435 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me flip the DNS then. < 1486146508 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Islands should not have the explicit ability "{T}: Add {U} into your mana pool", but it should have that printed as reminder text. < 1486146534 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for special versions with flavor text, which would omit the reminder text) < 1486146572 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they still make those lands with just the name and artwork? < 1486146681 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they save them for special occasions < 1486146688 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time was Battle for Zendikar block < 1486146736 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is widely regarded as one of the worst blocks to be released recently; they used full-art lands and Masterpiece cards in an attempt to get people to buy it anyway < 1486146770 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst both in terms of undesirable cards and bad internal balance/playability < 1486146840 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I should've set a TTL of less than a day for the temporary name. < 1486146851 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it'll take a day again to propagate to. < 1486146863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use 5-minute TTLs if there's any chance that I might need to change it in the near future < 1486146875 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would've been reasonable. < 1486146905 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's plop the wiki bridge back up as well. < 1486146912 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146912 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486146922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486146979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I visited the site and got the editable version < 1486146985 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's working? < 1486147010 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see the right things with dig. < 1486147034 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the right @nameservers, that is. < 1486147083 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 9684 seconds, I should see it even without. < 1486147176 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, TTL is 55799 here < 1486147187 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll survive that long) < 1486147211 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( i thought you said you changed /etc/hosts ) < 1486147260 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did. I can still query nameservers ;-) < 1486147301 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a program to run every iteration of a long shell script to show it hasn't frozen < 1486147312 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orenwatson.be/stars.c.htm < 1486147340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, there should be a way to ask a nameserver to drop a name from cache. < 1486147349 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it displays a random goofy unicode symbol each second < 1486147392 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the symbol keeps changing, the script hasn't frozen < 1486147410 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tricky, on whose authority? < 1486147436 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there might be some throttling, in which case it should be harmless... < 1486147475 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm trying to figure out whether this would simplify dns cache poisoning or make it harder. < 1486147478 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except that might DOS the central one. < 1486147500 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you sent it to many DNS servers) < 1486147505 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486147524 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I suspect that overall it would make it simpler... and yes there's a potential DoS vector there) < 1486147652 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always complications < 1486148023 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution to DoS is to use DOS < 1486148108 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486148124 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, the only throttling used to be that "drop cache" requests had to be sent by POST unless you were logged in < 1486148131 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to prevent them being hit by accident by spiders) < 1486148145 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me if they added a CAPTCHA to it though < 1486148216 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe I'll write a Jelly interpreter in C < 1486148246 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: before i had to reboot, it seemed you were talking about game designer intentionally building hydrae out of resources. any evidence of that? < 1486148330 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486148351 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hydrae in what sense? I don't understand < 1486148357 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sort of hydrae < 1486148514 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the only direct evidence I have is the Irregulars' goldfish cube, where the writeup tells it was designed that way: < 1486148524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: make sure you use a bignum library, it's fairly important to many Jelly programs < 1486148594 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/magic/goldfish/Cube_Design.html < 1486148671 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but I think to some amount the thought is there in M:tG design too, even if they don't completely insist on it. and sometimes they change the ordering, eg. recently they decided you can't just sacrifice your permanents for free in newer sets, despite that old sets have a lot of abilities with just sacrificing a creature as a cost, < 1486148700 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're effectively moving sacrificing stuff up in the ordering, and can let you gain resources from stuff dying more easily < 1486148736 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: even at the basic level, cards generally want to move in the order library -> hand -> stack -> battlefield -> graveyard -> exile and less often backwards, which is a form of this < 1486149172 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486149431 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486149513 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do the ante zone and command zone fit into this? < 1486149518 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486149844 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486149961 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486150858 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486150993 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PART #esoteric : < 1486150996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151203 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151426 0 :hppavilion2!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1486151475 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151771 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's javascript and coffeescript, but no lattescript or mochascript or cappucinoscript < 1486151779 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FSM < 1486151780 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An FSM is a state machine with noodly appendages. < 1486151789 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Quit: Quit requested by iczero: ok actually update node < 1486151815 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486151831 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what about mate script < 1486151864 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( G'day, World! ) < 1486151932 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was thinking of the beverage made with yerba < 1486151944 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know. < 1486151945 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Client Quit < 1486151963 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152272 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486152288 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152429 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1486152448 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1486152487 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :[iczero] < 1486152574 0 :[iczero]!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486152671 0 :iczero!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1486152686 0 :[[[[[[[[[[[[[!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < 1486152693 0 :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]] < 1486152712 0 :[[[[[[[[[]]]]]]]!?@? NICK :[[[[[[[ohai]]]]] < 1486152716 0 :[[[[[[[ohai]]]]]!?@? NICK :iczero < 1486153388 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486153455 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering why freenode has these long timeouts, more infrequent timer interrupts or is it so that if someone is on flaky wifi isnt spamming channels with join and quit messages? < 1486153521 0 :krok!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153552 0 :krok!?@? NICK :Guest98467 < 1486153559 0 :Guest98467!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1486153578 0 :krok_!~krok@static-50-53-174-215.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153706 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486153965 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I often have a flaky connectoin and reach really high timeouts withotu disconnecting < 1486154594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for LIFI to become commercial < 1486154730 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155025 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what is that? < 1486155276 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :optical wireless < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1486155516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1486155636 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that you have a blinking LED that blinks so fast it transmits the internet into your computer < 1486155728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one internet? < 1486155772 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much internet as needed < 1486155790 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1486155804 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: internets have a tendency to get connected to each other, which makes them just a single internet again < 1486155807 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's only one really big one < 1486155886 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke.gif < 1486155905 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one internet though (the other large ones tend to be military) < 1486156358 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-80.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486156420 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a fancy hacky optical point-to-point network thing. < 1486156430 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486156434 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ronja.twibright.com/ < 1486156660 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just something appealing of having a BEAM of DATA. < 1486156669 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486156694 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486157126 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use a single-file key/value database where the keys are 32-bit numbers and the values are arbitrary binary data, in a way which is suitable for both reading and writing but mostly for reading. < 1486157719 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1486159765 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1486160669 0 :mecha_magpie!~user@217-210-63-95-no39.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486161204 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1486161395 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zd6bam6rp5jhio.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1486161965 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1486162369 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the value can be limited to for eixample, 1 KB, then you can use a 4 TB sparse file < 1486162496 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use lseek64(fildes, key * 1024, SEEK_SET); and then read the value < 1486162559 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this may be considered a heinous abuse of a file system < 1486162670 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1486162795 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to use sparse files. < 1486163007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, a simple and easy method would be to use SQLite < 1486163044 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why single-file? < 1486163078 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@74-114-87-94.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1486163129 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a SQLite database is a single file < 1486163679 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486163944 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1486165576 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486165725 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1486165791 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:9d89:b8e9:2509:ae1c JOIN :#esoteric < 1486166102 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-71-178-160-63.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1486166171 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1486166387 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have collected chess symbols for all the pieces from orwell chess; they can be printed and pasted on checkers pieces to make a physical set https://www.docdroid.net/dc9snGI/printable.pdf.html