< 1485044310 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485044637 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1485046199 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485046203 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485046217 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea//Tea is concentrated fuel made by distilling occult herbs in a silver alambic. Americans attempted to reduce its potency by dumping some in the Ocean. < 1485046505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1485046522 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1485046886 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485047061 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Eclipse really still the "leading Java IDE"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_for_static_code_analysis#Java says so. < 1485047102 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Google could've answered that for me. https://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/java-tools-and-technologies-landscape-2016/ reportrs 46% IntelliJ, 41% Eclipse, 10% NetBeans and 3% Other. < 1485047160 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Eclipse. very powerful! < 1485047171 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IntelliJ is hipsterer, but its interface confuses me... < 1485047257 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy would it be to learn the Java Bytecode and write it by hand? < 1485047354 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello, DHellodshot. < 1485047363 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably about the same as writing assembly? < 1485047419 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect easier, given how well Java decompilers wok. < 1485047421 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1485047449 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1485047457 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can do some assembly... < 1485047468 0 :sdhand!znc@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have said I expected harder, purely because java bytecode doesn't have mnemonics < 1485047484 0 :sdhand!znc@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be fairly trivial to write some kind of "bytecode assembler" however < 1485047533 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the bytecode documented somewhere? < 1485047556 0 :sdhand!znc@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_bytecode_instruction_listings < 1485047651 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't even really know what sort of architecture and processor model the JVM uses...) < 1485048104 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A stacky one. < 1485048158 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec has a resonably okay instruction listing as well, https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se8/html/index.html < 1485048167 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Chapter 6.) < 1485048331 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485048360 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I entertained the thought of compiling something else stack-based (Befunge? Forth?) to JVM bytecode and reusing the "native" stack for that language's stack, but it turned out the JVM bytecode verifier is super-picky about the stack. < 1485048408 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjouroily < 1485048420 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a crm meetup on the 12th of february? < 1485048525 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular, it wants to know the stack depths statically at all times, and if you have control flow, the stack depth at point X must be the same for every way you can reach X.) < 1485048660 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :albonsoircah. let me check... < 1485048704 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there is one. < 1485048919 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1485048937 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :please communicate to me details < 1485048947 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :through your preferred method < 1485049003 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets an urge to do some canadian stalking < 1485049006 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we usually get briefed on the location either Tuesday or Wednesday, same week as the meet. I will spam you with the details then. < 1485049088 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pointedly copies and pastes the result link from google instead of clicking it < 1485049089 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a Java assembler does exist. < 1485049099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can write it in Java assembly language if you want to < 1485049129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it this thing http://www.crm.umontreal.ca/en/ < 1485049232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slightly doubtful < 1485049270 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's partly https://riichimontreal.org/ and http://riichi.ca/site/ < 1485049278 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1485049432 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485049756 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485049760 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ant//Ants are great architects. They are famous for their highways. < 1485049760 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-thgzhkpgihbzncsz JOIN :#esoteric < 1485049795 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thank yo < 1485049796 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:b94d:192a:68f3:22f2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485049803 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reference in that wisdom < 1485049823 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1485049853 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-thgzhkpgihbzncsz PART #esoteric : < 1485049894 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it confuses me... < 1485049899 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits ant < 1485049902 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wikipedia suggests something called "Lilac" < 1485049909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-̈e int-̈e int-̈e < 1485049926 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. ants??? < 1485049942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to check for german puns < 1485049996 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ant is Ameise < 1485050070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't help. < 1485050154 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Broiling is something you do with a broiler; a broiler is something you use for broiling. <-- you'd think a proper dictionary would have some kind of "use only these words for definitions" rule... < 1485050167 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly staged < 1485050204 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that everything bottomed out at the 1000 most common words or something. < 1485050379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :broiling is like boiling, but more broily. < 1485050401 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :will broily also be at the mahjong meetup? < 1485050440 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn broily is like boily, but more broiling. < 1485050445 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'broily': broily is like boily, but more broiling. < 1485050471 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485050495 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: I will. from that I surmise that you will too ^^ < 1485050596 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no I was just asking for fun < 1485050652 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flblblblbl :P < 1485050690 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:04 fun [~fun@gethostbyname.org] < 1485050706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hidden channels, alas < 1485050726 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'inght all... < 1485050744 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ASSESMENT CHICKEN < 1485051105 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d49a:bddb:b00:c6db JOIN :#esoteric < 1485051156 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily i assess that chicken to be misspelled < 1485051156 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485051279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485051592 0 :Cale!~cale@CPE9c5c8eb8e0c8-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1485052178 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-thgzhkpgihbzncsz JOIN :#esoteric < 1485052274 0 :Marcela_-!Marcela_Ga@gateway/shell/imvrypwn/x-thgzhkpgihbzncsz PART #esoteric : < 1485052315 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary includes "assesment" and says it is a misspelling. < 1485052342 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why is there even an entry for a misspelled word?) < 1485052496 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: their policy is to have entries for anything sufficiently attested in use < 1485052522 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK < 1485054122 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do medieval shields have bands of lead in them? Someone told me that they do, but I don't know much about it? < 1485054887 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hrkpjfqtrrhknatu JOIN :#esoteric < 1485056088 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485056280 0 :Cale!~cale@CPE9c5c8eb8e0c8-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485056325 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485056409 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1485056429 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485057829 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented (but not yet finalized; the GM needs to do that, possibly with my help) a few new spells for GURPS, such as "Altered Vision" and "Vampire Transfer" spells, and also the ideas of "Seek Fire" and "Seek Wind" spells (to go with "Seek Water" and "Seek Earth"). < 1485057894 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like any of this? < 1485058236 0 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds neat < 1485058347 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:cb:5fe9:98b7:7f69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485058682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Altered Vision" spell allow you to temporarily change the frequency band of the target's vision. < 1485059583 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that you do not need some kind of "use only these words for definitions" rule as an absolute rule, but it should probably be a soft rule perhaps, and the example you gave should probably be OK to use that definition for one of the words but not the other; probably both words are on the same page anyways and you can easily find it, so if you look up one of them and you do not know what it means you can easily find the other one which < 1485059665 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what you want is to avoid cycles not involving any of the basic words - a list of allowed words is just the simplest way to ensure that. < 1485059700 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. That is good. < 1485059721 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485059982 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1485059991 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1485060002 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485060092 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :some shields had iron frames, but I've never heard of shields with heavy metal bands < 1485065659 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I, but the GM of this GURPS game seems to think that they do (with the exception of "light shields"); if he is wrong then I can notify him (he can refuse to believe me if he wishes, or even define some NPCs that have shields with lead bands, but I should notify him anyways). < 1485065948 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked on Wikipedia and he does seem to be wrong; I see nothing about including lead in shields. < 1485066028 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, why would you include lead in shields, even as part of an alloy? < 1485066047 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, why would you want a shield to be heavier? < 1485066053 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1485066404 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said to absorb the damage, but that does not seem quite right to me. < 1485066744 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much heavier would they be though if they did have lead bands thick enough to not just count as being coated with lead? < 1485066946 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485067140 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who wishes to fight characters of the same species of my character, by the use of shield bashes, who knows of that vulnerability, may wish to add lead bands if the weight and/or cost would not be a problem. < 1485067192 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485067470 0 :alercah!~alercah@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0202.html < 1485068114 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1485068139 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485068224 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e4354b.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485069663 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485070597 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485070857 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485071653 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1485071688 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485072844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485072844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc104862-sgyl39-2-0-cust65.18-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Changing host < 1485072844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485074228 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485077015 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d49a:bddb:b00:c6db QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485077853 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485078101 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485078251 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d49a:bddb:b00:c6db JOIN :#esoteric < 1485078550 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:d49a:bddb:b00:c6db QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485079317 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh r/physics has a "Motl warning" flair < 1485079342 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tag < 1485079542 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Motl"? < 1485079633 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luboš Motl < 1485079655 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://motls.blogspot.ca/ <- this guy? < 1485079659 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1485079665 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1485079714 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a physicist so incapable of being polite that he got sacked < 1485079779 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently a trump supporter too < 1485079797 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1485079816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he was impolite way before trump < 1485080069 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1485080110 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my dad ever met him < 1485080121 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1485080324 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485080842 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad once met stanislaw ulam < 1485080855 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently a nice guy < 1485080890 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite inventing genocidal weapons < 1485081561 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485081810 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily ants --> Langton < 1485081810 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1485081831 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485082183 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding more characters to my font < 1485082191 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I add today? < 1485082488 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dirty blonde toupet? < 1485082623 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to do emojis since OS's are moving toward handling them specially < 1485082720 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a private use character anyway < 1485082723 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485082735 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the only sane way to handle all the shit that the consortium is pushing < 1485082775 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I don't have any plans of actually using your font, so there are plenty of reasons to ignore me anyway) < 1485082918 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course 🐜 exists... < 1485082962 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode 🐜 < 1485082985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F41C ANT \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 9c UTF-16BE: d83ddc1c Decimal: 🐜 \ 🐜 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1485083027 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://emojipedia.org/ant/ ... emojipedia, *of course* that exists. < 1485083076 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is, again, the only sane way to handle all the shit that the consortium is pushing < 1485083080 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks U+1F41C < 1485083083 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, U+1F41C. ThU+1F41C. < 1485083143 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks 🐜s < 1485083145 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, 🐜s. Ts. < 1485083164 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: ITYM "Tsk". < 1485083222 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are like we need male and female emojis of doctors and shit but we can;t have a subscript N noooo < 1485083322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔄𝔅𝔆𝔇𝔈𝔉𝔊 < 1485083323 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :𝔋𝔌𝔍𝔎𝔏𝔐𝔑𝔒𝔓𝔔𝔕𝔖𝔗𝔘𝔙𝔚𝔛𝔜𝔝𝔞𝔟𝔠𝔡𝔢𝔣𝔤𝔥𝔦𝔧𝔨𝔩𝔪𝔫𝔬𝔭𝔮𝔯𝔰𝔱𝔲𝔳𝔴𝔵𝔶𝔷 < 1485083339 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all exist but fuck subscripts and superscirpts fuck me < 1485083349 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a subscript N anyways if you want to < 1485083369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( 2034: researchers invent telepathy to avoid having to remember all the damn emojis ) < 1485083375 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𝔠𝔡𝔢 < 1485083387 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1D520 MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR SMALL C] [U+1D521 MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR SMALL D] [U+1D522 MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR SMALL E] < 1485083395 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those... < 1485083413 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um, excuse me but in what sense are OSes handling emojis specially? I thought text engines like pango have had methods to render full-color fonts for ages, not because of emojis, but because of fancy full-color header fonts (as opposed to grayscale) and to be able to render formatted text. < 1485083434 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are emoji characters any different from that really? < 1485083435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've complained about all those math letters before. < 1485083436 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: The plural of "emoji" is "emoji" dammit < 1485083438 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: microsoft now handles it with a special vector grahic generator < 1485083453 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, having a separate font module for emoji actually makes sense < 1485083454 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion1: no need to get all emojional about it. < 1485083459 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1485083469 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for a thwacker < 1485083476 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lends him one < 1485083483 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thwacks int-e < 1485083486 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts hppavilion1 back on ignore < 1485083496 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, too slow. < 1485083538 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, English irregular plural fight! now go on and discuss the plural of platypus too! < 1485083542 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets the popcorn < 1485083577 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to contest the notion that "emoji" is an English word. < 1485083620 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :platypical < 1485083642 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smileys, emoticons, emojis... what's next? < 1485083665 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look if the japanese can steal our words and use them wrong like ファイト then screw it < 1485083671 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ems, because they're important enough to justify a single syllable word? < 1485083693 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ファイト < 1485083694 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+30D5 KATAKANA LETTER HU] [U+30A1 KATAKANA LETTER SMALL A] [U+30A4 KATAKANA LETTER I] [U+30C8 KATAKANA LETTER TO] < 1485083701 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: obviously you need to shorten it down to a single special character hth < 1485083706 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I need a subscript of family of 4- two male parents, one daughter, one son; left father is Fitz-Patrick 1 or 2, right father is fitz-patrick 6, daughter is fitz-patrick 3, son is fitz-patrick 5 with simultaneous superscript female doctor with her fitz-patrick 6 attorney wife < 1485083707 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: my take is that as phase 1 we should use regular plurals for everything in English, except for "man" and words obviously suffixed with it like "fireman" < 1485083709 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: tyvm < 1485083721 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh, and they all need to be blackboard bold < 1485083724 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as phase 2 we should use regular plurals for everything < 1485083761 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode EMOJI < 1485083762 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+1F3FB EMOJI MODIFIER FITZPATRICK TYPE-1-2 \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8f bb UTF-16BE: d83cdffb Decimal: 🏻 \ 🏻 \ Category: Sk (Symbol, Modifier) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F3FC EMOJI MODIFIER FITZPATRICK TYPE-3 \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8f bc UTF-16BE: d83cdffc Decimal: 🏼 \ 🏼 \ Category: Sk (Symbol, Modifier) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) < 1485083764 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as of yet we're weak so I'm willing to compromise in co-authored text if the co-author is an obviously higher ranked mathematician and wants to write "indices" < 1485083775 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what's that, "height"? < 1485083781 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FAITO", from english fight < 1485083793 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, F. < 1485083809 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :means "go, my team" when cheering for a team sport < 1485083820 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no fucking sense < 1485083844 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language often doesn't make any sense, yes < 1485083845 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But what if I want to cheer on the team I don't like? < 1485083854 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure does... you just transfer it from fighting sports like boxing to other sports. < 1485083884 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1485083988 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpp: we say "boo" for that < 1485084043 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does she set bombs so quickly in succession? < 1485084086 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :she? < 1485084110 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :still some "games done quick" competition? < 1485084136 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a non-Unicode font. That is how to handle it by don't handle it. < 1485084150 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I'm watching SNES Super Metroid 100% items from AGDQ 2017 < 1485084187 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"she" refers to Samus, who laid a lot of bombs to dig some tunnel from explodable blocks plus also killed some enemy with a bomb between < 1485084195 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Because you have a lot of fire. < 1485084197 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain registers "how does she set bombs so quickly in succession?" as ungrammatical but cannot explain precisely why. < 1485084237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspect or word order, or something < 1485084305 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds fine to me < 1485084332 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly just stilted < 1485084335 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time, they should rig the stream to show the amounts for the save and kill competition in real time, continuously throughout the Super Metroid run < 1485084355 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you say instead? is the problem with "set"? < 1485084434 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a perfectly fine sentence to me. I might insert a "the" before "bombs" but it's not really required. < 1485084448 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a sign of being german, I guess) < 1485084456 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fine to me < 1485084578 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOO < 1485084597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls lobotomy hotline < 1485084651 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: adding "the" sounds strange to me < 1485084658 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :アアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアアア < 1485084676 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it does affect the meaning :) < 1485084685 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could understand using different verbs, like "lay bombs" or whatever, or "can" instead of "does" < 1485084703 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"can" sounds better < 1485084738 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, English overuses "can" a lot, even in places where it doesn't make sense. When I don't, that's obviously a sign that I'm not native English. < 1485084814 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( How do you do? ... How can you do? ... *runs* ) < 1485084831 0 :hppavilion1!~dosgmowdo@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485084918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you run < 1485084936 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the bomb, dmitri < 1485084936 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what's +o?) yes... :p) i was < 1485084951 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody set us up the bomb < 1485084987 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN < 1485085034 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1485085060 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the zero wing writer refrained from splitting that infinitive < 1485085074 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1485085083 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/infinitive/compound/ < 1485085090 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :phrasal verb < 1485085114 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485085141 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1485085155 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody set up us the bomb < 1485085165 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds even worse < 1485085264 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :機関士:何者かによって、爆発物が仕掛けられたようです。 < 1485085322 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I said "set", not "set up". very much not the same. < 1485085343 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1485085355 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you said was fine < 1485085361 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485085365 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet i was upset < 1485085389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may be slightly tired < 1485085393 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the phrase not work in norwegian < 1485085403 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1485085427 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how does she set bombs so quickly in succession" < 1485085442 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well norwegian doesn't use the "does" construction... < 1485085482 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it end up being "sets" then? < 1485085495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also don't inflect verbs for person :) < 1485085502 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1485085512 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess we do distinguish infinitive from present < 1485085547 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always in my dialect though < 1485085552 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: somehow that reference to a hotline made me think of http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/1993/04/30 < 1485085553 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the freeze beam even freezes platforms < 1485085590 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/1992/10/26 is related) < 1485085590 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(input):1:8: error: unexpected < 1485085590 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : Operator without known fixity: < 1485085590 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ://, expected: space < 1485085590 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/1992/10/26 is related) < 1485085590 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-178-004-076-070.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1485085628 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris-bot: can you ignore me, please? :-P < 1485085633 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with inflecting verbs for person? it's a good thing, it lets you omit the subject from a lot of sentences. a lot of languages do it here in Europe. < 1485085681 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only sucks when the conjugation ends up being horribly irregular < 1485085693 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: which is most of the time < 1485085700 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that happens in most languages < 1485085701 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1485085713 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always with the most common verb < 1485085718 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it doesn't in Japanese < 1485085726 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: correct < 1485085741 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but japanese doesn't inflect for person < 1485085747 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: if it's only with the most common verbs, that's not a problem. if it's with the two hundred most common verbs, like in French, that's a problem. < 1485085805 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Hungarian is even worse, you can't guess the most correct declination and conjugation forms even for rare words, so much that often different speakers don't agree what the correct declined form is of rarer words < 1485085848 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in French all rare words are supposed to be, uh, "regular", as in, fall in one of like a dozen regular conjugations depending on its ending, unless it's an obviously prefixed form of some verb < 1485085863 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese instead has irregular politeness forms like itadaku and gozaru < 1485085889 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and English too only has like a few hundred irregular verbs, so once you learn about even the rare irregular ones, you're done < 1485085889 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too many though < 1485085973 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, speakers *expect* rare English verbs to be regular, so if a rare verb like "heave" has irregular conjugated forms, then it also has the regular ones as alternatives < 1485085993 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("heave". seriously. who invents words like that?) < 1485086014 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heave, hove? < 1485086023 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my best guess... < 1485086039 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on weave wove anyway < 1485086160 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst ones are the ones where everything past the lest letter is replaced with aught < 1485086179 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lest/first < 1485086187 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: apparently the irregular form might be more frequent in the particular nautical meaning, or something. < 1485086246 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hove do you do < 1485086248 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach taught, buy bought, catch caught, fight fought, < 1485086279 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's even spelled differently in half < 1485086289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and think < 1485086297 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1485086305 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stink stought < 1485086317 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :blink blought < 1485086331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try trought < 1485086343 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's the horrible adjective "wrought" which isn't even the participle for any extant verb. no, not even of "wring". < 1485086343 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :draft draught < 1485086361 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that would be draw draught, right? < 1485086368 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :draft is just an alternate spelling for draught < 1485086369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong wrought < 1485086371 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regional or something < 1485086380 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think so < 1485086402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping pought < 1485086407 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stink and blink should obviously follow the pattern of the more common drink < 1485086432 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like japanese has irregualr stuff but at least after the war they fixed their spelling system < 1485086433 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1485086440 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, IMO the worst are the ones where the conjugation causes collisions. lie -> lay anyone? < 1485086498 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring brang brung < 1485086520 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's actually a fairly common usage in Toronto < 1485086530 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what brought that on? < 1485086579 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stlil don't remember how that "lie" thing works. It has like two different random conjugations depending on the meaning < 1485086581 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I guess "sing sought sought" is next... ) < 1485086586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are those conjugations?\ < 1485086597 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seek, sought < 1485086603 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I *know* < 1485086612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :peek pook pought < 1485086618 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some other colliding ones too, but rarer so I don't remember < 1485086632 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't that peek poke system? < 1485086667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :system? i hardly knew 'em < 1485086675 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe peek poke varptr defusr system in more modern variants < 1485086690 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead led lead < 1485086701 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where one of those is a metal < 1485086715 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and one of them is lighting technology < 1485086716 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular in zeppelins < 1485086741 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of them is a rarer alternate name for dog leashes < 1485086747 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :need knead < 1485086808 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix fax fuck < 1485086834 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the couch commentators in this has a strain accent I find hard to understand < 1485086914 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( norwegian, being germanic, has irregular verbs fairly similar to english ones ) < 1485086940 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie laid/lied lain/lied < 1485086954 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it is < 1485086981 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spy spew spot < 1485087004 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: no way. it involves "lay" as a form somewhere < 1485087021 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lay is also a verb in the present < 1485087035 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lay - laid - lain < 1485087058 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "the chicken laid an egg" < 1485087081 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ligge - lå - ligget, legge - la - lagt < 1485087095 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no:equiv) < 1485087101 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the man got laid" is the "lie laid lain" < 1485087142 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had better not be in the other sense of laid < 1485087149 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: that's the problem, yes < 1485087184 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then what are the two or maybe three conjugations of "lie"? < 1485087189 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which one is for which meaning? < 1485087246 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1485087258 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie - laid or layed - lain is for lying down in a bed < 1485087300 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie lied lied is for lying about where you had lain the previous night < 1485087312 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the two < 1485087315 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1485087406 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though my dictionary doesn't agree < 1485087433 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1485087436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1485087445 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says lie - lay - lain for the first meaning < 1485087483 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think lay also works < 1485087486 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie as in telling falsehoods is regular, so lie - lied - lied < 1485087509 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for the transitive verb, lay - laid - laid < 1485087560 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in total this means that lie has four different past tense forms: lied, lay, laid, layed < 1485087562 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1485087582 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder I'm confused < 1485087627 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh in this particular case native speakers are confused too so youre all good < 1485087707 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me "I laid on the bed" sounds right but the dictionary doesn't like that so wtf i dunno < 1485087936 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, let me check my other dictionary now < 1485088032 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two dictionaries say the same < 1485088127 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I laid myself down on the bed" :P < 1485088301 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing because in English there aren't too many such pairs where the transitive and intransitive verb are different but close < 1485088307 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another pair is "rise" and "raise" < 1485088322 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also involves some irregular conjugation related to flowers or something < 1485088355 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rise/rose/risen does not conflict with raise/raised/raised < 1485088399 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike lie/lay/lain(!) and lay/laid/laid < 1485088413 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1485088418 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lie" is the worst < 1485088501 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's lie/lied/lied, so confusing. < 1485088515 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lye. < 1485088546 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't a verb) < 1485088598 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "die" which also means like four different things < 1485088661 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ceasing to live, paint, a mold as in container in which you pour molten metal or plastic to make it assume some particular form, and throwing dice for games of chance < 1485088668 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those might be related, I don't know < 1485089111 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this is obvious, but a 100% run was a good idea, because it shows up parts of the game you never see in other runs < 1485089131 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's only about twice as long < 1485089208 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( is "twice" the plural of "twie"? ) < 1485089882 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /--\ < 1485089882 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O /\ | | < 1485089882 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : \/ \__/ < 1485090039 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was stupid and messed up this jeans by washing it together with some new woolen socks at high temperature, so now it's all full of alien strands stuck onto it, and I can't get them off even by rewashing it multiple times. I'm now down to only one way that can fix it. < 1485090091 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is annoying. < 1485090127 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i do at 6 AM during hackathon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198658294007463936/272703774798118912/20170122_061614.jpg < 1485090136 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: http://sprunge.us/WMie < 1485090148 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485090237 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: what's that? brainfuck to C translation? < 1485090265 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really blurry < 1485090274 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman in brainfuck? < 1485090328 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that's very blurry. I think it says "readme" in one place < 1485090336 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :or readline. < 1485090351 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which better corresponds to the code) < 1485090468 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :readline < 1485090479 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top left is instruction reference < 1485090485 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom left if/else < 1485090506 0 :^v!v^@me.pxtst.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right is some obscure C++ code < 1485091021 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't eve know there's an x-ray specs in this game < 1485091103 0 :iaglium!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1485091107 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485091123 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/ < 1485091149 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: good one. < 1485091170 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wonder why it doesn't ask for a CVC code? < 1485091185 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music of this game is still amazing < 1485091272 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because they already know that your CVC code is 476 < 1485091334 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... why does that website use google analytics.. < 1485091587 0 :iaglium!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1485091734 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad they took the http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/vbvleftnavverified.gif out (though of course for a good reason) < 1485093034 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-hehkcquuldihggzh QUIT :Excess Flood < 1485093249 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ekyyxzoshstlacjo JOIN :#esoteric < 1485093633 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485094759 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485094869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1485095021 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485095558 0 :Nithogg!~ethiraric@jrc16-h01-176-150-43-109.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.5 < 1485096428 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485096461 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485096474 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan//Your wise @messages-lord fanfic oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Glasswegian who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1485096677 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a @messages-lord now? must be a recent change < 1485096959 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wob_jellonas. I believe that bit was added awhile ago. < 1485097020 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at using mercurial so I don't know how to check easily, but whatever < 1485097045 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyphone won't see boily's @messages < 1485097077 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't keep the usage syntax of a dozen different vcs in my head. < 1485097091 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer can handle all of them being installed of course. < 1485097095 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dozen seems a bit much... < 1485097104 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int-ello. That's because I'm on my phone, ircing from bed. < 1485097128 0 :boilyphone!?@? NICK :boily < 1485097142 0 :boily!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1485097143 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 12h 46m 26s ago: i assess that chicken to be misspelled < 1485097143 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e said 4h 15m 32s ago: ants --> Langton < 1485097170 0 :boily!?@? NICK :boilyphone < 1485097193 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :git mercurial darcs svn cvs rcs, I think those are the ones that I've used and rcs doesn't really count. < 1485097227 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: slightly, yes. I use git and subversion regularly, but I've had to use a lot of others one-off to checkout individual repositories when the data was only available that way: cvs, bazaar (really), mercurial, darcs, fossil, and that's only the ones I remember. < 1485097271 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of monotone, bazaar and fossil. < 1485097324 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a few months ago my co-worker said they're making a new vcs in work time, for some particular purpose connected to a project at work. I asked him if they looked at all the other existing software and made sure none of them is suitable. they said no. < 1485097341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it's not something I'll have to work with directly. < 1485097407 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it counts, I've also used several wikis that have built-in version control for their content. < 1485097479 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course I've also used management's version control (copies of a file with version numbers in their filename). < 1485097495 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used diff/patch/diff3 directly a lot too. < 1485097522 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes those help even together with a higher-level vcs. < 1485097654 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever used monotone. < 1485097706 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hopefully "soon" ais's scapegoat will end the vcs wars forever, because it will be better than all other vcses. < 1485097792 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is scapegoat like feather? < 1485097835 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boilyphone: no, because ais does talk about scapegoat's design. it's more like just vaporware, more vaporware than aimake4 or the uncursed2 < 1485097845 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot of work to write a good vcs < 1485097860 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't say. < 1485097882 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some vague ideas too, but I'll probably never implement them < 1485097902 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not even sure if my ideas are consistent < 1485097913 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what I want to do might be logically impossible < 1485097959 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I should do is learn a little of mercurial to find out what its advantages and drawbacks are < 1485098014 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.149 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1485098523 0 :boilyphone!~androirc@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FELT CHICKEN < 1485098598 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercurial reminds me of Athur Dent's attempts to get some tea. It's a VCS almost, but not quite, entirely unlike git. < 1485098720 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a sound foundation but its UI keeps tripping me up... < 1485098883 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid foundation but bad UI sounds like git, yes < 1485098913 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd50b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.80.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485099557 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange because you'd think if someone decides to make a new vcs, then having to add a sane UI is the one lesson they'd learn from git < 1485099736 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realize that mercurial and git are pretty much the same age? < 1485099856 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, I thought mercurial is newer, because people seem to define it as better than git < 1485099913 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's only every other vcs that does that, mercurial doesn't? < 1485099924 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've met mercurial later than git < 1485100417 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's as old as git then I guess it's undrestandible < 1485100564 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://marc.info/?l=git&m=111475459526688&w=2 is the earliest mail I can readily find about mercurial. < 1485100608 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but there's probably a couple before that on the main lkml) < 1485100670 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1485100882 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should ask wikipedia, which links to http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0504.2/0670.html < 1485100975 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485101135 0 :TellsTogo!3ecd50b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.205.80.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1485101209 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485101265 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1485101438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@213.205.252.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485101447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@213.205.252.241 QUIT :Changing host < 1485101447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485102969 0 :Mathtician!49040e33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.4.14.51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485102982 0 :Mathtician!49040e33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.4.14.51 QUIT :Client Quit < 1485104740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1485104746 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485105616 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485105861 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485106029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485106151 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485106610 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/FAKKU/status/822594891339403267 < 1485107573 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1485107590 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes find some bleach to wash the sight from his eyes. < 1485108106 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1485108112 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :top kek < 1485108221 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485109505 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :核栽桁桃桑 < 1485109505 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :桟梗梨棄棋棚棟棺椅楼概槽欄欧欺款歓歳殉殊 < 1485109507 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :殖殴殻殿沼況泊泌泡泥泰洞津洪浄浦 < 1485109713 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1485109759 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1485109796 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1485110123 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is that a list of characters? or does it mean something? < 1485110389 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: a list of the characters I've added today < 1485110429 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNES is amazingly powerful < 1485110432 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many good games < 1485110436 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with such great graphics < 1485110549 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: the nice thing about SNES is it was designed (as well as they could at the time) to be as extensible as possible from the cartridge < 1485110648 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it sometimes pain in the arse to emulate for though. < 1485110890 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the cartridge can freaking bus-master. < 1485110906 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be the best way to make it extensible, but it's definitely flexible. < 1485111201 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did they ever make games that came with their own coprocessor? < 1485111239 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1485111280 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe some of the later games came with on-cartridge processors more powerful than the SNES itself... < 1485111375 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ST018 is used for AI functionality in Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shogi 2. It is a 21.47 MHz, 32-bit ARMv3 processor.[7]" < 1485111412 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of crazy compared to the SNES's CPU < 1485111426 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_NES_enhancement_chips has lots of other fun chips, too < 1485111534 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yeah. Then there's those laser printers from the late 1990s that had immensely powerful processor and memory in them. < 1485111555 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to intrepret postscript iirc < 1485111562 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had one at home at one point, and while it wasn't actually more powerful than the desktop computer, it was in the same league. < 1485111578 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1485111588 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days we have powerful video cards instead, with RAM amount sometimes comparable to the main RAM. < 1485111601 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Also, the SuperFX chips were coprocessors. < 1485111691 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: admittedly, laser printers sort of need to have a whole page sized high resolution frame buffer, unlike dot matrix printers, which can get away with just like 512 byte of memory or even less. < 1485111838 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jones: or that dot matrix printer a friend of mine owns, it is connected via parallel port and each pin just control diffrent action or senses something. < 1485111981 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: wow... that's like floppy disk and hard disk connectors, but those are internal to the case, and don't have to direct eight pins, so it's much easier. < 1485111989 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know such a thing existed. < 1485111997 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bit unusual for old parallel-attached printers. < 1485112017 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them used ASCII right over the cable. < 1485112042 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know there's a cheap dot matrix printer with no character buffer in it, so it can have even less RAM (and so needs even more continuous attention of the cpu than usual), but wow. < 1485112063 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ASCII or uncompressed bitmap graphics, yes < 1485112110 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you even control such a printer? Do you need a special controller card in front of the parallel port? Or an unusually fast cpu? < 1485112114 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yeah, it was rather cheapish for its time but could do graphics, if you had the correct software. < 1485112206 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, not unusually fast cpu. The thing took its time to work. < 1485112239 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: how much damage could you cause with it if the software was buggy? < 1485112262 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: made it rather easy for my friend to get it working with an arduino though. Loud as hell but does carbon paper nicely < 1485112291 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: not much as there were hardware interlocks and such in it. < 1485112298 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it just print outside of the paper to the rubber drum, or would it like pop all apart so you can't even reassemble it, break the expensive head, and catch fire? < 1485112303 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1485112361 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah printing on the rubber drum happened but it was much a deal. Just remember to wipe it before the next page. < 1485112371 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasnt much of a deal* < 1485112455 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: how many pins does it have? < 1485112489 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485112504 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: dont remember but not that many < 1485112514 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-40-190.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O' ECP parallel defined *DMA* over parallel? < 1485112524 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably seven or eight then. < 1485112533 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :think 3x3 or so iirc < 1485112536 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone makes printers with less than seven pins. < 1485112545 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm actually... < 1485112572 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed half line of characters at the time iirc < 1485112603 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 1x8? I truely dont remember < 1485112612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485112619 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wandel did build a one-dot printer back in the day => http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/printer.html < 1485112625 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the latter. < 1485112713 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there was software (written in FigForth iirc) that could do nice line graph plots on that printer. < 1485112747 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the rubber drum could be stepped back and forth like the printer head. < 1485112793 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3x3 would be strange. you have to drag the head all the way through the paper, so I don't think more than one column is worth < 1485112808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a longer column with 9 or 16 pins can be worth, but it's expensive < 1485112886 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485112892 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did bolding by slightly shifting the rubber drum and reprinting the text or stuff to be reprinted < 1485112942 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/plotter.html < 1485112971 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes, I know, what about it? < 1485113016 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here is something that has puzzled me a bit regarding homecomputer magazines in the era of the 6502 is that there didnt seem to be any diy paperpunches or at least paper readers described anywhere in them. < 1485113059 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well he apparently created vector fonts from scratch < 1485113078 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: isn't that because they had casette drives at that time, which was way more efficient than ticker tape? < 1485113078 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very impressive < 1485113114 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: dunno, I'm a software guy, so I find building and maintaining the hardware more impressive < 1485113161 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485113243 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: well, casettes were semi nice for keeping relatively lot of data. But I am talking about less than a kilobyte or so and it was often easier to optain paper than casettes. Even newpaper could have worked in a pinch. < 1485113258 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspaper* < 1485113284 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: casettes were easy to obtain too. < 1485113306 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for a kilobyte of data, you just type that in the keyboard. Unless you have like a zx80 with those horrible keys. < 1485113353 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that Polish one with 17 keys (4x4 hex plus the I key from a picture I saw) < 1485113378 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that? < 1485113474 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont recall its name. But it was rather extensible design as you could add a real keyboard, diskette drive and so on via daisy chained ribbon cables. < 1485113583 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about membrane keyboards, I heard that new designs have started to use the capacitance touch tech to do away with the wearout on the keys. < 1485113623 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like switch based keyboard for their feel but detest the amount of noise the buckle spring ones make. < 1485113641 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IBM PC was also a very extensible design. You would add extra RAM and all other sorts of extension cards to the card slots on the motherboard. A video card is practically a mandatory addition. < 1485113659 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: there are more silent switch keyboards I hear. < 1485113690 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a nice heavy noisy one for home a few months ago. Here the noise doesn't matter. < 1485113700 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, IBM PC came rather bit later than say Apple ][ or. < 1485113721 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the original PC keyboard < 1485113721 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so noisy the springs sometimes even *echo* for a few tenths of a second after letting the key go. < 1485113738 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sadly spring keyboards are expensive these dasy. < 1485113747 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I dont like the noise. Heck, I try to find ways to make fans less noisy < 1485113749 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a good quality. The only problem was the lack of lights on the keyboard. < 1485113753 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboards themselves are expensive, and so is the shipping. < 1485113776 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: fans, sure. It's different. The keyboard is noisy only when I'm typing on it, and then it doesn't bother me. < 1485113780 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bludgeon someone to death in two strikes with these keyboards. < 1485113791 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like how the sudden movements of the car bother you much less if you're driving it. < 1485113825 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean the XT keyboard? < 1485113840 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :with at least 111 keys? < 1485113927 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485113947 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: no, the XT keyboard only has 83, the AT one has 101 < 1485113974 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one I'm typing on has 104 keys, though in a somewhat unusual layout: < 1485113977 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :both missing the numpad? < 1485113985 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: Yes. < 1485114012 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the left side is like that of a 104 key keyboard, but the right side with the shift and enter key is placed like a 105 key keyboard, with a long backspace and the backslash next to the enter. < 1485114034 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The springs on this keyboard are a bit too heavy though, I should buy a weaker one the next time I buy a keyboard. < 1485114060 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest problem I have is with the shift. Sometimes I fail to press shift at the same time as the key it's supposed to modify. < 1485114082 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I type / at the end of questions even more often than with other keybards. < 1485114094 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even apart from the shift, the springs feel too strong. < 1485114108 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely need a weaker one next time (which won't be until some years I guess). < 1485114219 0 :rdococ!rdococ@unaffiliated/rdococ PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.../ < 1485117483 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:cb:5fe9:98b7:7f69 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485118079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485118209 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1485118371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1485119156 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485119259 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:cbd:4895:b65a:3899 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485119370 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1485119884 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1485119893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant info//The large-eyed mouse lemur is a nocturnal tree-dweller. < 1485120126 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485120407 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1485121657 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1485123099 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:cbd:4895:b65a:3899 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1485123945 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485124515 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-ekyyxzoshstlacjo QUIT :Excess Flood < 1485124779 0 :Lord_of_Life!Elite12246@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bvuvbrggykrfbmds JOIN :#esoteric < 1485125430 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:7e6:cbd:4895:b65a:3899 JOIN :#esoteric < 1485127257 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485127383 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1485127662 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1485127785 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1485128120 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1485129584 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric