00:00:04 `` grwp -l proper 00:00:08 cdop \ group \ halfling \ intellectual property \ keenlist \ kithkin \ reflection \ rules of wisdom \ sanity \ termite \ treant \ treefolk \ unicide \ universal property \ vegemite \ www 00:00:31 `? keenlist 00:00:32 keenlist is notification for when Tom Hall finally acquires the necessary intellectual property rights to create the videogame series Commander Keen: The Universe is Toast 00:00:42 `` echo 'cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -ERlis "$@" -- *' > bin/gwni 00:00:49 No output. 00:00:50 `gwni proper 00:00:51 cdop \ group \ halfling \ intellectual property \ keenlist \ kithkin \ reflection \ rules of wisdom \ sanity \ termite \ treant \ treefolk \ unicide \ universal property \ vegemite \ www 00:00:56 * oerjan vaguely wonders if there are any other commands broken by the -visdom 00:00:58 oerjan: there tdh 00:01:03 `cat gwni 00:01:04 cat: gwni: No such file or directory 00:01:11 `cat bin/gwn 00:01:12 grep -ERls "$@" wisdom/* 00:01:29 `` echo 'cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -ERls "$@" -- *' > bin/gwn 00:01:33 No output. 00:04:18 🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) <-- i render it fine tyvm * hides missing hind legs 00:06:21 `` cd wisdom; ls * 00:06:30 0 \ 1 \ 1*1 \ 4chan \ 4rn4 \ 6 random numbers \ 7 \ 9 \ 21 \ 42 \ 323 \ 1337 \ 2600 \ XQELEKCTHZVBDBQR \ a \ aah \ abbreviation \ abnf \ abstract nonsense \ abyss \ acab \ accounting \ action \ adjective \ admn \ adopted \ adu \ adventure \ advertisement \ afk \ agdq \ aglist \ aha \ ais523 \ algebraic chess notation \ algebraic geometry \ algebrai 00:06:35 `? 4chan 00:06:37 4chan is twice as loud as stereo. 00:07:01 If there was an oerjan calculator, it'd have to end every message with 'hth' 00:07:10 (Is that oerjan or someone else who had to put a hth remover?) 00:07:18 `forget -v 00:07:21 Forget what? 00:07:34 it was probably too evil 00:08:34 hppavilion[1]: me hth 00:09:13 Thought so 00:13:07 `? hppavilion[1] 00:13:09 hppavilion[1] se describe en las notas al pie. ¿Porqué no los dos? Nadie lo sabe. No es tan cluecless. Él aspira a ser más incomprensible que esta sabiduría. 00:13:16 `? rdococ 00:13:17 rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom. 00:13:22 still apparently from Budapest. 00:15:15 Apparently Nørway's legislature is called the "Storting" 00:15:19 ("The Great Thing") 00:15:33 øøø 00:15:41 oerjan: I assume the political parties of its members are determined by the Storting Hat? 00:16:09 Or, Storting Hatt 00:17:10 not really hth 00:17:17 * oerjan doesn't get the reference 00:17:34 oerjan: ...wat 00:17:48 oerjan: Does Norway not have Harry Potter‽ 00:18:11 hppaviliøn 00:18:13 oh. yes. 00:18:28 with their own translated names and everything. 00:18:31 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 00:18:43 (iirc Dumbledore is Humlesnurr) 00:19:42 * oerjan looks at hppavilion[1] sternly for disconnecting in the midst of conversation 00:20:33 hppavilion[1], will you please decide whether your arrays start with 0 or 1 please?! 00:20:38 oerjan: I had to switch wifi 00:20:42 rdococ: They always start with 0 00:20:57 oerjan: Sorting Hat -> Storting Hat 00:21:03 oerjan: Finnish translation translates names as well. 00:21:04 hppavilion[1], why are you hppavilion[1] then, and then your alt is hppavilion[0] for when you disconnect? 00:21:04 anyway, Fremskrittspartiet would obviously be Slytherin. i'm not too clear on the rest of the houses. (i've never actually _read_ harry potter.) 00:21:14 Although the only name I remember is Hogwarts -> Tylypahka. 00:21:15 do your arrays go BACKWARDS from 1? 00:21:18 1, 0, -1, -2? 00:21:28 ("Storting Hat" being the English name of the... well, the sorting hat. The hat that sorts.) 00:21:58 You mean the hat that storts? 00:21:58 rdococ: Because the element in hppavilion[1] is a better user; hppavilion[0] is the backup, inferior user 00:22:09 Presumably the opposite of distorting 00:22:10 shachaf: ...sure 00:22:29 and this is hppavilion[0] saying he's inferior? 00:22:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:22:30 "Sorting Hat" is the English name, not "Storting Hat" 00:22:34 rdococ: Yes 00:22:36 -!- hppavilion[0] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 00:22:36 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE 00:23:32 YOU MEAN #hppavilion == 1? 00:23:45 -!- augur has joined. 00:23:47 or len(hppavilion) = 1? 00:23:53 but hppavilion[0]! 00:24:02 ooh 00:24:05 I have an idea 00:24:16 the element in hppavilion[2] is an even BETTER user. go for that 00:24:46 `? 1*1 00:24:49 1*1 is two. 00:24:59 `cwlprits 1*1 00:25:07 hppavilion[1]: also Iceland's legislature is Alþingi, which means "all thing" hth 00:25:15 mromän 00:25:18 `? 1/1 00:25:19 1/1? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:25:22 what?! 00:25:26 you don't know 1/1 = 0? 00:25:29 ridiculous 00:25:35 `learn 1/1 2 00:25:36 /hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/1/1: Not a directory \ Learned '1/1': 1/1 2 00:25:41 uh 00:25:46 `? 1.1 00:25:48 1.1? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:25:48 `? 1/1 00:25:49 1/1? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:26:02 `learn 1/1 is zero. 00:26:03 /hackenv/bin/learn: line 4: wisdom/1/1: Not a directory \ Learned '1/1': 1/1 is zero. 00:26:08 `? 1/1 00:26:09 1/1? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:26:11 ... 00:26:17 `learn 1 divided by 1 is 0 00:26:20 Relearned '1': 1 divided by 1 is 0 00:26:21 `? 1 00:26:23 UH OH 00:26:24 1 divided by 1 is 0 00:26:24 `revert 00:26:26 Done. 00:26:28 `? 1 00:26:29 The 1 is just for disambiguation. 00:26:33 `? 2 00:26:34 2? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:26:43 Maybe just don't do it? 00:26:51 :c 00:26:56 * rdococ wanted to be an #esotericer 00:27:17 `grwp Twain 00:27:17 what about 2? 00:27:25 Binary file reflection matches 00:27:29 rdococ: No, len(hppavilion) == ε_π 00:27:30 The trick is writing a bunch of limericks. 00:27:31 `? rdococ 00:27:32 rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom. 00:27:32 rdococ: the key is less important than the contents 00:27:49 What int-e said. 00:27:53 * hppavilion[1] spent too long looking for the best number for that 00:27:55 uh 00:27:59 * hppavilion[1] eventually gave up and went with that 00:28:12 ε_π? 00:28:15 what is ε_π? 00:28:20 rdococ: epsilon π 00:28:27 rdococ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_numbers_(mathematics) 00:28:29 a large cardinal joke? 00:28:29 well duh but what is it equal to 00:28:37 oh. 00:28:38 rdococ: It's very infinite 00:28:51 (well, large countable ordinal really) 00:29:19 * int-e should know this. 00:29:41 hm 00:29:44 sounds very ordinal 00:30:10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_numbers_(mathematics) 00:30:18 that was my association at least. 00:30:29 ok 00:30:32 very ordinal 00:30:52 hppavilion[ε_π-1] hi 00:30:56 So it's not all that large really 00:31:37 not as large as aleph-one 00:31:50 of course you can't compare an ordinal to a cardinal 00:31:53 or can you? 00:31:53 idk 00:31:58 I'm the dumb one 00:32:11 rdococ: you can define cardinals as the smallest ordinal number of a given cardinality 00:32:18 and then you can compare cardinals 00:32:23 ikik 00:32:24 assuming axiom of choice bla bla 00:32:25 that's assuming the axiom of choice 00:32:51 * int-e throws oerjan into a time delay loop 00:33:00 i still don't think π is a legal index for epsilons. 00:33:14 yeah it is. 00:33:33 oerjan: I know, I know. 00:33:35 i thought the indices were themselves ordinals. 00:33:51 Of course given that pi is 3 or 4... 00:34:03 ε_π = sup{ε_π-1, w^(ε_π-1), w^(w^(ε_π-1))...} 00:34:12 (depending on which law you take as its definition) 00:34:34 ε_π-1 = sup{ε_π-2, w^(ε_π-2), w^(w^(ε_π-2))...} 00:34:53 wait 00:34:54 no 00:34:55 idk 00:35:11 wait I'm mixing things up 00:35:17 * rdococ the dumb one agian 00:35:47 the trick is to blend them together in a coherent way, and then you may have a worthy wisdom entry. 00:35:53 . o O ( perhaps you could do something by treating π as surreal ) 00:36:16 `? rules of wisdom 00:36:18 unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the separate key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation 00:36:19 most surreal numbers aren't ordinals either 00:36:36 ... ouch. 00:36:51 int-e: what? 00:37:03 oerjan: "proper capitalization and punctuation" 00:37:18 `stat bin/slwd 00:37:19 File: `bin/slwd' \ Size: 53 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 12h/18dInode: 671133 Links: 1 \ Access: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 0/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2016-12-31 19:15:31.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2016-11-01 05:40:51.000000000 +0000 00:37:22 int-e: i'm just thinking maybe you can interpolate somehow 00:37:57 oh, hmm. I don't know. I don't want to think about it. I like my remaining bits of sanity. 00:38:29 . o O ( `slwd rules of wisdom//s/itali/ITALI/ <-- not worthwhile ) 00:38:32 int-e: everything in that wisdom is essential for its humor hth 00:39:31 oerjan: Anyway I was wincing because the entry violates most of its own rules. I can see how this might be construed as being funny but it's nevertheless painful. 00:39:33 int-e: oh. i tried something like that and shachaf thought it was overdoing it. 00:39:59 int-e: i don't think it's missing any... 00:40:07 I hope there's no color in that entry 00:40:59 there isn't. 00:41:03 oerjan: I think it is understandable without a separate key 00:41:10 oerjan: oh wait 00:41:23 oerjan: depends on what one means by "separate" 00:42:06 hmph 00:42:13 `grwp overthinking 00:42:15 gamemanj:gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. He will overthink everything, except whether overthinking is wrong. \ Binary file reflection matches 00:42:35 `slwd rules of wisdom//s/separate/lookup/ 00:42:38 rules of wisdom//unless essential for the entry's humor, they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced with no space at the end, and use proper capitalization and punctuation 00:42:57 yeah, that's better 00:43:56 . o O ( proper grammer ) 00:44:00 `grwp overthink 00:44:03 gamemanj:gamemanj is also the mad scientist I. N. Here. He will overthink everything, except whether overthinking is wrong. \ Binary file reflection matches 00:44:13 `quote overthink 00:44:15 1286) I couldn't help thinking that maybe if one considers the ramifications in full detail it will turn out that overthinking is often not helpful and therefore, not something to be proud of. 00:44:27 damn. 00:44:46 there it was 00:47:25 i think i can fit grammar in there 00:47:36 but it may be too painful 00:50:40 `? pain 00:50:41 pain? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:51:37 -!- whatupbishes has joined. 00:51:38 . o O ( `learn Pain is what your feeling now. ) 00:51:54 ... 00:51:56 devious 00:52:06 heyo 00:52:19 `wElCoMe whatupbishes 00:52:23 wHaTuPbIsHeS: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.) 00:52:39 -!- hppavilion[0] has joined. 00:57:01 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:01:57 -!- hppavilion[0] has changed nick to hppavilion[1]. 01:01:58 THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE 01:03:26 no hppavilion[2] 01:04:00 -!- whatupbishes has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:05:02 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 01:10:03 just let your abbreviation be hppa <-- . o O ( if you're hppa and you know it, clap your hands! ) 01:10:29 stupid control characters not showing in the logs 01:21:05 . o O ( coconut ) 01:26:12 > group $ map sort ["old account", "coconut lad"] 01:26:15 [[" accdlnootu"," accdlnootu"]] 01:28:02 is there a pointless way to zip a list with itself, but one element dropped? e.g. "zip f [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] [2, 3, 4, 5]" 01:28:26 @quote ap.tail 01:28:26 quicksilver says: zip`ap`tail the aztec god of consecutive numbers 01:29:19 thoerjan. 01:29:37 :t ap 01:29:39 Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b 01:29:45 although these days <*> is more popular than ap, i think. 01:30:04 <*> is intuitiver than ap. 01:31:20 :t zip <*> tail 01:31:22 [a] -> [(a, a)] 01:31:50 > zip <*> tail $ [1..5] 01:31:53 [(1,2),(2,3),(3,4),(4,5)] 01:53:25 zip`ap`tail reads better though 02:06:44 ⍣ is better. 02:20:35 `unidecode ⍣ 02:20:41 [U+2363 APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL STAR DIAERESIS] 02:24:10 -!- fartytart has changed nick to ickystick. 02:29:41 `wisdom 02:29:55 cccp//CCCP is a misspelling of СССР. 02:31:24 `wisdom 02:31:26 hyperbolic group//Hyperbolic groups are the best groups there are, they're totally awesome and cure cancer. 02:58:35 funny, this font distinguishes between P and Р. 02:59:01 (but C and С look the same) 03:00:47 Same here; I am using the standard "fixed" font, which does the same thing 03:00:53 oerjan: funny thing is, if I'm looking for the S combinator, I'll end up with ap. 03:01:08 zzo38: maybe because it's the same font. 03:02:49 Yes, maybe it is same font. (But it is also possible that some other font might do that too, and some might not) 03:06:42 `wisdom 03:06:44 violation//Violation is the act of playing an instrument in the viola family. 03:07:02 hmm, slightly tricky to find the resource. *VT100.utf8Fonts.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 03:07:52 (appres, why have I never used appres before) 03:11:16 And I also learned about steamcmd which can download windows steam apps under linux without involving wine. 03:12:15 (steam in wine in vnc stopped working for me a while ago... only works with a normal X server, and I have no clue why) 03:12:55 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:13:28 (Where "stopped working" means it never gets past the "Connecting to steam account $account" popup.) 03:18:34 -!- boily has quit (Quit: DISTINGUISHED CHICKEN). 03:23:18 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:24:34 <\oren\> isn't the storting the name of the norwegian parliament? 03:30:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 03:30:09 -!- fractal has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:42:06 -!- fractal has joined. 04:19:05 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 04:43:52 anyone know what's up with CALESYTA? 04:54:05 I don't know what is 04:54:12 I hoped you know! 04:55:11 well, I know what CALESYTA was (it was an esolang design contest) 04:55:28 but the results weren't released on the stated date and the website seems to have broken 04:55:40 and I don't know why 04:57:40 I know what it is too, but I know what the results is either 05:26:09 -!- ais523 has quit. 05:53:46 -!- Akaibu has joined. 08:00:56 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:20:58 -!- Evola has joined. 08:21:58 -!- Evola has quit (Client Quit). 08:44:24 [wiki] [[Category:2017]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50615 * Zzo38 * (+11) Category for the new year 08:44:53 [wiki] [[Template:Yearcats]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50616&oldid=46083 * Zzo38 * (+26) 2017 08:53:32 someone should have made 2016 09:02:29 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:16:58 ais523: whoa, and now their homepage ("http://calesyta.xyz") has disappeared. It was still there yesterday. 09:17:48 I thought they'd be just a year late with the results to follow IOCCC tradition or something. I didn't think they'd actually disappear. 09:18:05 Hopefully the homepage will come back and it's just a temporary hitch. 09:18:09 Has anyone written them email? 09:39:49 -!- augur has joined. 11:18:24 -!- TieSoul has joined. 11:30:30 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:34:03 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Meficat * New user account 12:35:43 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:40:01 -!- augur has joined. 12:44:38 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 12:48:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:05:56 h3llo 13:41:19 -!- augur has joined. 13:45:45 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 14:41:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:50:40 -!- Cale_ has joined. 14:54:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:00:35 -!- Cale_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:11:48 -!- augur has joined. 15:16:13 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:36:13 -!- boily has joined. 15:37:52 @metar CYUL 15:37:52 CYUL 021500Z 12003KT 15SM FEW120 SCT180 BKN220 M02/M05 A3051 RMK AC1AC3CI1 SLP335 15:38:03 oerjan: seems your guess was right (GG) 15:38:25 bohily, hint-e. yep. 15:38:33 (or a twin? hmmmmmm) 15:39:14 No story of intrigue is complete without a twin nobody knew about. 15:39:16 well it was zola who got infused with the other's memories... 15:39:45 int-ello, hellørjan. what's the conjecture now? 15:40:31 just the identity of the "Queen of the Dawn" 15:40:31 and those lanterns look disturbingly the same spherical shape as the tiny wasp engines... 15:40:54 Yes, time to bring out the fly swatters. 15:41:54 . o O ( ------### is a special swatter made for reaching high places ) 15:42:12 otoh can zola really have the spark-infesting kind? this _is_ an aristocratic party after all. 15:42:48 One may be enough? 15:43:03 what's this? is the new season of the Game of Thrones tv show on already? 15:43:14 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50617&oldid=50608 * Meficat * (+149) 15:43:22 b_jonas: girl genius 15:43:30 [wiki] [[Cheers]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50618 * Meficat * (+7436) Created page with "'''Cheers''' is an esoteric programming language aimed at beverage-oriented programming. Partially inspired by [[INTERCAL]] and [[Chef]]. ==Statements== A Cheers program con..." 15:43:39 ah! 15:44:26 -!- Zarutian has joined. 15:45:41 Ah, xkcd delivered. 15:46:52 the thing that makes me wonder if she _does_ have one infecting sparks is how she has apparently got the support of many nations and yet it's not common knowledge that she's got them ... which implies she _must_ have the support of all the spark rulers... 15:47:19 *that she's got wasps 15:48:04 I'd get some popcorn 15:48:24 but this is going to take at least a week to fully unfold. 15:49:01 yeah 15:49:27 i wonder if agatha will appear in time for her wasp eater to make a noise about it 15:49:42 Or just too late and gets blamed for everything? 15:49:47 or that. 15:51:32 oerjan: Btw, is it clear whether she's reversed Martellus' job on her body chemistry? 15:51:51 she has not afaik 15:51:52 (IOW, does she still need that wasp eater just to survive?) 15:52:38 I know it's been around. But it's been a while... though I guess she was always quite busy with other things. 15:53:30 before she dictated the book, she did tell she needed it, although not why. 15:53:46 and that was only a couple days ago in story time. 15:54:54 Ah, true. 15:55:20 more than a year in realtime :P 15:55:53 ok maybe not in those words http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20151014 16:08:41 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Bax3n * New user account 16:19:27 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50619&oldid=50617 * Bax3n * (+48) 16:20:06 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50620&oldid=50619 * Bax3n * (+4) 16:20:50 [wiki] [[Д]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50621 * Bax3n * (+209) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Д |author=User:Bax3n |year=2016 |link=http://xn--d1a.tk/ |files=.de .d }} Д (also written as д) is an esolang created in..." 16:21:29 [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50622&oldid=50621 * Bax3n * (+4) 16:23:16 [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50623&oldid=50622 * Bax3n * (+119) 16:25:12 [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50624&oldid=50623 * Bax3n * (+82) 16:26:33 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50625&oldid=50578 * Bax3n * (+9) 16:28:56 [wiki] [[User:Bax3n]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50626 * Bax3n * (+51) Created page with "My name is Eric * Site : [http://bax3n.tk bax3n.tk]" 16:38:48 -!- TieSoul has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 16:40:25 what,kind of language is that supposed to be 16:41:17 that's not even not being a language... 16:41:19 [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50627&oldid=50624 * Bax3n * (+190) 16:41:30 [wiki] [[Д]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50628&oldid=50627 * Bax3n * (+1) 16:42:10 [wiki] [[Д]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50629&oldid=50628 * Bax3n * (+40) 16:42:28 -!- augur has joined. 16:42:39 wow, new command 16:42:42 exciting 16:45:19 [wiki] [[User:Bax3n]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50630&oldid=50626 * Bax3n * (+24) 16:46:42 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 16:48:21 [wiki] [[Д]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50631&oldid=50629 * Bax3n * (-5) 16:48:47 [wiki] [[Д]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50632&oldid=50631 * Bax3n * (+0) 16:56:45 -!- TieSoul has joined. 17:07:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:09:31 [wiki] [[Д]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50633&oldid=50632 * Bax3n * (+6) 17:27:37 oДo 17:45:46 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:52:08 -!- Akaibu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:52:58 [wiki] [[Blablafuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50634 * Ivancr72 * (+1251) Make page. 17:53:35 [wiki] [[User:Ivancr72]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50635&oldid=50605 * Ivancr72 * (-24) 17:53:46 -!- zgrep has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:54:09 -!- ocharles_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:54:13 -!- lynn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 17:54:40 "Blablafuck is an esoteric language based on Extended Brainfuck" 17:54:46 noooooooooooooooooooo 17:55:08 -!- Akaibu has joined. 17:55:55 NOT ANOTHER DERIVATIVE 17:55:59 gaaaah 17:56:20 maybe I should try and make a derivative to start instead of trying to come up with a good idea 17:57:52 rdococ: You could write a paper, "the next 256!/248! * (1-\epsilon) brainfuck derivatives." 17:59:09 [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50636&oldid=50625 * Ivancr72 * (+17) added blablafuck 17:59:32 (bonus points for identifying more degrees of freedom) 18:00:04 -!- zgrep has joined. 18:00:05 hm 18:00:11 -!- ocharles_ has joined. 18:00:44 I could try and pull a Scheme-x 18:01:56 Brainfuck-1 would have a function to determine if Brainfuck-0 functions halt. 18:02:18 Brainfuck-x would be able to determine if a Brainfuck-(0 to x) halts or not. 18:04:54 {.1.|.2.} <-- execute .2. as long as .1. wouldn't halt on the current tape 18:05:37 :/ 18:06:06 syntax is easy! 18:06:06 actually doesn't sound bad 18:06:23 hm 18:06:37 what about brainfuck, but working on media other than tape? 18:07:04 i have an idea for a hash table and it may be stupid but i don't think i've seen it anywhere 18:07:18 hmm, if we think of brainfuck as operating on two stacks... we could make a deque version of brainfuck instead. 18:07:31 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 18:07:44 anyway, yes, there's potential for brainfuck derivatives, some of which could be quite awkward to work with :) 18:07:53 hm 18:08:00 two stacks? 18:08:28 It's a way to implement a tape: one stack holds elements to the left; the other elements to the right of the current cell. 18:08:43 oh. makes sense. 18:09:14 if you remove one stack then it would be FSA, right? like a turing machine that can only move right? 18:09:18 (and one of them is initialized with infinitely many zeros, which may cause trouble as a deque) 18:09:26 yes. 18:09:37 k 18:12:04 hum, an automaton with one stack is not equivalent to a finite state machine 18:12:51 -!- augur has joined. 18:13:57 if we reduce the possible values of each cell to 0 or 1, we can replace the + and - with one toggle 18:16:51 and yep, I think it'll still be turing complete 18:17:32 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 18:19:27 ~[]<> 18:19:31 ,. 18:19:59 Though , and . would have to work differently. 18:22:44 true 18:22:53 hm... 18:23:15 would it be possible to create a super turing complete language using the halting oracle and little else? 18:24:50 hm 18:24:56 brainfuck minus, as it's called, already exists 18:25:15 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_minus_- 18:25:54 even (without cell-wrapping!) 18:27:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:33:23 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 18:36:57 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 18:39:27 can someone PLEASE describe a transistor in terms that AREN'T MEANT FOR A FIVE YEAR OLD?! 18:41:28 rdodoc: I can't. transistors are some low level implementation detail in electronics hardware, and I'm a software guy so I don't care about those implementation details. 18:42:03 well, can it be described as a gate? 18:42:47 nvm. 18:42:51 I'll find out on my own. 18:43:42 A transistor is a device with a "base", "collector", and "emitter" (or "gate", "source" and "drain" for field-effect transistors). The amount of current on the base (or voltage on the gate) controls how much current can flow between the collector and the emitter. 18:44:33 so if there's low current on the base? 18:45:10 Then proportionally low current flows between the collector and the emitter. 18:45:51 how about high current? 18:46:01 Proportionally high current flows. 18:46:29 The exact amounts flowing depend on the transistor and the supply on the collector, but this *overall* behavior is what a transistor does. 18:46:40 so is it basically an AND gate? 18:47:24 or am I misinterpreting high and low current? 18:48:36 What you're missing is that in most systems what happens with gates is there's a constant voltage supply that's always on... 18:48:44 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TransistorANDgate.png So this is the circuit diagram for an AND gate. 18:49:05 I do understand that... 18:49:24 But you are getting a basic grasp for how the thing functions, yes. 18:49:57 If there's input on the base or gate, electricity can flow through the transistor, and if there isn't then it can't. 18:50:22 And that's what people mean when they say it's a "switch". 18:50:52 makes sense... I guess 18:51:08 so I guess that electricity usually comes from the battery? 18:51:31 Battery or power supply, depending on the device. 18:52:06 k 18:52:26 so do you need to use both N and P type transistors to perform any logical function? 18:53:55 I got a NOR gate with transistor and resistor... 18:53:59 it's beginning to make sense? 18:55:10 I can get a NOR gate to work with P type transistors... not N tho 18:55:15 I'm using logisim btw 19:01:35 -!- Perenelle has joined. 19:01:50 Give me a hard math problem 19:01:52 Pronto 19:02:18 I'm gonna give it to my friend and I find you guys have crazy problems in ur heads 19:03:33 1/x = 0 19:04:10 Thanks 19:06:51 That's sarcasm 19:08:22 Does P=NP? 19:12:22 how many roads must a man walk down to split the underlying manifold into simply-connected components 19:16:36 pikhq: P=0 /\ N=1 19:24:14 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 19:27:57 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:32:39 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:33:27 \/ 19:43:25 -!- augur has joined. 19:46:33 \//\ 19:48:01 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 19:49:16 -!- Akaibu has joined. 20:05:23 <\oren\> urgh, only 1500 Dv left to ge back to Kerbin from Ike orbit 20:05:23 -!- lynn has joined. 20:07:27 -!- LKoen has joined. 20:10:52 -!- Perenelle has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 20:15:15 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 20:15:40 <\oren\> ooh, a solution in only 900 Dv! 20:16:27 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:19:11 <\oren\> https://snag.gy/2ogzNe.jpg Bye, Duna! 20:20:50 <\oren\> I'll be back, with something that can actually land on you 20:37:36 `? KSP 20:37:46 <\oren\> argh. come on, Mun, show me a nice assist trajectory! 20:37:51