< 1480982616 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been awhile since I came and talked extensively in esoteric < 1480982631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under what name? < 1480982644 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1480982659 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talking in present tense < 1480982890 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode \ < 1480982892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+005C REVERSE SOLIDUS] < 1480982894 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1480982964 0 :PinealGlandOptic!~PinealGla@82.144.205.57 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1480982976 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It snowed here last night < 1480983017 0 :Perenelle!~AndChat63@74.50.202.108 QUIT :Quit: Tired Zzz < 1480983529 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone gave me a laptop with windows vista < 1480983544 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i start it, i get a blue screen within a minute < 1480983555 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue screen says hardware error < 1480983597 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i booted ubuntu from usb and it worked for several hours with no problem < 1480983626 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet works, screen works, keyboard works, disk works < 1480983640 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i fix this? ;-; < 1480983731 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to reinstall windows if it's not gonna fix the problem < 1480983771 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you run memtest? < 1480983806 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but it worked fine with ubuntu < 1480983829 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might just mean ubuntu failed to crash because of the problem < 1480983856 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead you have e.g. corrupted files or file systems < 1480983864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's a horrifying sentence. Is that a joke? < 1480983879 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1480983893 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think I'm never going to switch to linux < 1480983905 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i used ubuntu to copy all the files to a different machine < 1480983936 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I'm talking about the case where you have bad ram that is actually flipping bits < 1480983958 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could ubuntu not crash in that case? < 1480983979 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good/bad luck, pretty much < 1480984072 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiling something big is the traditional way of surfacing problems like that. < 1480984096 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ and so on. < 1480984111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holsner < 1480984142 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but running a memtest is good, that should either confirm or almost-exclude memory problems as the cause and you can go on to other theories or replace the ram < 1480984160 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom olsner < 1480984162 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner//olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. < 1480984169 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok memtest it is < 1480984179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg olsner < 1480984185 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dowg? < 1480984187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4366:2014-01-25 sed -i \'s/$/./\' wisdom/olsner \ 4365:2014-01-24 echo \'olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines\' > wisdom/olsner \ 656:2012-08-16 learn olsner seems to exist at least. < 1480984201 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1480984211 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolsner < 1480984241 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I am not actually here, ignore me while I resume procrastinihting) < 1480984248 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn_append olsner His poetry's alphanumeric. < 1480984252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'olsner': olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines. His poetry's alphanumeric. < 1480984293 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was also wondering if linux is actually detecting a hardware problem and working around it < 1480985696 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1480986719 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the rule in GURPS that a Faraday shield can block a lightning bolt spell. < 1480987182 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1480987233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet was down :( < 1480987275 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :net erectile dysfunction? Seems you got it up again < 1480987293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't, i just waited. < 1480987311 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after turning off and on the router enough times. < 1480987339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and convincing myself the fault wasn't on my side. < 1480987528 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1480988329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1480989552 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one chooses a random natural number, what is the probability of getting any particular random number? < 1480989672 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 hth < 1480989711 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more seriously, a uniformly random natural number does not fit in usual probability theory) < 1480989772 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you choose a random natural number, you get a natural number, not a random number < 1480989782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1480989794 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, that's what I thought < 1480989803 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Crap, whoops < 1480989835 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I do feel like probability theory should have a value other than 0 for that. Using 0 bugs me. < 1480989850 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The serious answer is not 0. < 1480989859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The serious answer appears in parentheses.) < 1480989871 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, true < 1480989875 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How so? < 1480989905 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: probability theory has an axiom of countable additivity, which means that for countable sets you just sum the probabilities. < 1480989930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a series. which means summing 0s gives 0. < 1480989939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if r is a randomly-chosen real in [0 -> 1], P(r = k) = ι for any constant k in [0 -> 1] < 1480989941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh? < 1480989958 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, what if the sum > 1? < 1480989972 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it wasn't a probability to start with. < 1480989978 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is probably confused < 1480989981 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun intended) < 1480989995 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch out, you don't want to do too much probability theory. < 1480989997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another axiom is that the probability of the whole outcome space is 1. < 1480990022 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad things can happen, as specified in the axiom of countable addictivity. < 1480990036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: for reals it's simpler. then the probability _is_ 0, and it works splendidly. < 1480990049 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And also the axiom of countable acidity < 1480990054 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're not countable.) < 1480990081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh! I see what you're saying < 1480990083 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1480990100 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that makes sense. I was confus as to what you were saying < 1480990111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was something about summing distinct sets < 1480990137 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, it's just that when your whole space is countalbe you can make the sets contain a single point each < 1480990142 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bl < 1480990172 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa, for reals? < 1480990242 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1480990320 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axiom of countable addictivity has been reported to leave people with a sense of disjointedness < 1480990348 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like scowntable < 1480990348 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If one DID make a number ι (not the definition above, that was a mistake), where sum({|countably infinitely many ιs|}) = 1, and SOMEHOW dodged all the problems and paradoxes you get with infinity and infinitessimals, would ι be an acceptable probability there? < 1480990355 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/make/define/ < 1480990389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1480990393 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1480990407 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION revokes oerjan's swatter privileges < 1480990414 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If you can't practice what you preach, don't preach it < 1480990465 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just demonstrating privilege hth < 1480990511 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you seem to be under the misconception that the swatter has ever been used fairly. < 1480990564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(*ℕ) = ι, P(*ℝ) = 2^(-1/ι) = ι₂ < 1480990576 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is the final arbiter of swatworthiness < 1480990593 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we revoke hppavilion[1]'s unicode privileges instead? < 1480990595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's even the arbiter where natural numbers are concerned. < 1480990599 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sgtm < 1480990638 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some addicts have also shown σ lingering behaviours) < 1480990640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where *S is the probability of some element of S the one chosen when an element is chosen at random < 1480990651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: ...divisive? < 1480990662 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: deviant? < 1480990674 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i don't get it. < 1480990715 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, P(*S) is that probability. *S is... I don't know... short for = ? < 1480990749 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because P(a = b) = 1/|S| for two independently-randomly-chosen elements of S a and b, right? < 1480990754 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're σ-addicts hth < 1480990755 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to dinner < 1480990770 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: OK, how are you reading σ? < 1480990787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see "sigma" < 1480990828 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sigma is fine. i'm wondering where lingering fits. < 1480990865 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "malingering"? < 1480990870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1480990896 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure this was your job < 1480990903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I didn't even manage to make "arbiter" work. < 1480990907 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably sure? < 1480990942 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? p < 1480990944 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is the complexity class of Problems. They can be solved by reduction to NP. < 1480990946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? p. < 1480990947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1480990956 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt p < 1480990970 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8981:2016-08-27 learn P is the complexity class of problems. They can be solved by reduction to NP. \ 8982:2016-08-27 learn P is the complexity class of Problems. They can be solved by reduction to NP. < 1480990986 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure NP isn't Nasty Problems? < 1480991024 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn p.//P. is p. easy to understand. < 1480991029 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'p.': P. is p. easy to understand. < 1480991042 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? NP < 1480991044 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP is the complexity class of decisions that are No Problem. < 1480991045 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure. < 1480991067 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say the reduction was easy. < 1480991116 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: as an arbiter, it's obviously my job to be arbitrary. < 1480991121 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1480991157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wait, are all problems decision problems? < 1480991298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn promise problem/A promise problem is one that happens because you promise too much. Their reduction to NP is particularly difficult. < 1480991298 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled p.//sSsSs a p. good word that isS < 1480991299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1480991300 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosebud! < 1480991318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: slwd hth < 1480991329 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1480991340 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn promise problem//A promise problem is one that happens because you promise too much. Their reduction to NP is particularly difficult. < 1480991344 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'promise problem': A promise problem is one that happens because you promise too much. Their reduction to NP is particularly difficult. < 1480991346 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd p.//sSsSs a p. good word that isS < 1480991349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.//P. is a p. good word that is p. easy to understand. < 1480991365 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :vh < 1480991381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vh is nvh < 1480991424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jafet < 1480991425 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1480991479 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd promise problem//s,par.* ,p. , < 1480991483 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :promise problem//A promise problem is one that happens because you promise too much. Their reduction to NP is p. difficult. < 1480991651 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: now do all the other complexity classes twh < 1480991719 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? complexity class < 1480991721 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexity class? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1480991773 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure P is a complexity set < 1480992890 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le//rn complexity class//Complexity classes are endangered creatures that lived unnoticed until the mid-20th century, when human exploitation caused many populations to collapse. The remaining specimens are now studied ethically in Canada. < 1480992893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'complexity class': Complexity classes are endangered creatures that lived unnoticed until the mid-20th century, when human exploitation caused many populations to collapse. The remaining specimens are now studied ethically in Canada. < 1480993564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada? < 1480993571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: twh < 1480993724 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :in waterloo, specifically < 1480993788 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/slashlearn//2s,exit 1,{ echo 'All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format.' >\&2 ; exit 1 }, < 1480993793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/slashlearn//sep="//" \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format.' >&2 ; exit 1 } \ key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)" \ value="${1#*$sep}" \ [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo -n "$verb '$key': $(echo "$value" | sed ' < 1480993812 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Testing/ho < 1480993813 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/le/rn: line 7: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1480993816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1480993885 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exit 1; hth < 1480993905 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sled bin/slashlearn//2s,exit 1,&;, < 1480993909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/slashlearn//sep="//" \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format.' >&2 ; exit 1; } \ key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)" \ value="${1#*$sep}" \ [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo -n "$verb '$key': $(echo "$value" | sed < 1480993919 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Testing/ho < 1480993920 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All le//rn variants now use two slashes in the format. < 1480993964 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn Testing//hi < 1480993970 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'testing': hi < 1480993984 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before < 1480993995 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/testing//Testing is mandatory. < 1480995657 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg oklopol < 1480995661 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:2012-02-16 Initïal import. < 1480995664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1480995679 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess who wrote the first piece of inutility that recurses in a directory tree < 1480995684 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll tell you: it was me < 1480995689 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1480995700 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1480995752 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's inutility) < 1480995796 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a collection of small linux utilities < 1480995974 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inusefule < 1480995978 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1480995990 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts chasing muphry with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1480995995 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, food -> < 1480995996 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it doing though? < 1480996041 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? muphry < 1480996042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :muphry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1480996076 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program called "lease" which is specific to Linux. (It simply waits until a file is accessed, and then terminates.) < 1480996089 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with inotify? < 1480996114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you write it rather than using e.g. inotifywait? < 1480996128 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it uses fcntl < 1480996131 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they didn't know about inotifywait < 1480996149 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh how does that work? < 1480996149 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For one thing, I didn't know about it. < 1480996178 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/dAQh < 1480996185 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how it works. < 1480996246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1480996300 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be really nice to be able to use a computer entirely without a mouse most of the time... < 1480996313 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what happens if you remove the second fcntl call? < 1480996322 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, what if I had a tiny command prompt in the corner of my screen I could just trigger whenever that does everything nicely? < 1480996331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Probably nothing < 1480996347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nothing/not cause any problem/ < 1480996438 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this program is very small compared to inotifywait < 1480996554 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: with urxvt+bspwm+vimperator i almost never use a mouse < 1480997487 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I realized the other day... < 1480997534 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's plausible that Goldbach's conjecture is false (there is an even number no smaller than 4 which is not the sum of two prime numbers), but that this cannot be feasibly proven within ZFC. < 1480997641 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Not if you define 1 to be prime. < 1480997664 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And defining 1 as prime or non-prime is actually just arbitrary < 1480997690 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that even help < 1480997699 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you're making my blood simmer. < 1480997705 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: How so? < 1480997711 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not smile < 1480997778 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number-of-prime-divisors function clearly should say 0 for 1. < 1480997787 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well yeah < 1480997795 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is nicer that way, true < 1480997798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carry on < 1480997810 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number-of-prime-divisors-including-duplicates, that is. < 1480997846 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes. I call the bag of prime divisors of n ςn, so you could say |ςn| < 1480997854 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. < 1480997931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: OH! I see, I read tswett's message wrong < 1480997937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: sorry < 1481000227 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man sponge < 1481000229 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a Replace the file with a new file that contains the file's original content, with the standard < 1481000231 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : input appended to it. This is done atomically when possible. < 1481000257 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomically when possible in this case just means to use rename when the file didn't exist < 1481000276 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any filesystem that allows concatenating two files atomically? < 1481000282 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: What if I want to prepend? < 1481000290 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use -a < 1481000298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1481000303 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have sponge, so I can't manit < 1481000581 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1481000954 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cumulative upkeep--untap a nontoken creature < 1481001701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ΧΡ < 1481001703 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+03A7 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER CHI] [U+03A1 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER RHO] < 1481001745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ℴ < 1481001748 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2134 SCRIPT SMALL O] < 1481001809 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ꙮ < 1481001810 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+A66E CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O] < 1481001817 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I win the unidecꙮding contest < 1481001821 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows chi rho < 1481001866 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Mein Gott... < 1481001892 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was denn? < 1481001955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets his german-to-english dictionary < 1481002002 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, duolingo actually does a pretty good job at that < 1481002024 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has fewer words that say leo, but it has more phrase-like stuff < 1481002038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ꙮ_ꙮ is a nice emoticon) < 1481002071 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1481002075 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant beolingus < 1481002150 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work well on this one, though < 1481002306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns with his dictionary < 1481002314 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Mine is... Collins < 1481002318 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears < 1481002482 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty hard to translate, i'm surprised < 1481002499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Windows XP -> Windows Chi Rho. Das denn. < 1481002575 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK, just to check, does standard QWERTZ have a slash I can do commands with? < 1481002604 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift+7? < 1481002645 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-161-205.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Looks like slash is shift+7, back slash is Alt-Gr+ß. < 1481002653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Ah, ja < 1481002656 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1481002846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this kind of Magic: the Gathering card: Cast target permanent. < 1481002884 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that do to say "your opponent loses one health"? < 1481002908 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1481002924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not quite understand you? < 1481002944 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i may not understand your desired effect correctly < 1481003059 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what it says < 1481003085 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not familiar with mtg < 1481003165 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. http://www.yawgatog.com/resources/magic-rules/ < 1481003176 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must you? < 1481003194 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i donjt find it that interesting < 1481003320 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mein Wörterbuch aufliste "ASCII" < 1481003355 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes that's even remotely correct < 1481003415 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure what "listing ascii" is supposed to mean, but you'd say "listet ascii auf" < 1481003433 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Ah, danke < 1481003506 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So "mein Wörterbuch listet ascii auf"? < 1481003547 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[to mean that it has an entry to translate ASCII into german] < 1481003572 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1481003586 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it translate to? < 1481003624 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I'm attempting to say "Oh, my dictionary lists ASCII". In retrospect, "lists" may have been bad word choice, because it doesn't even sound normal in english xD < 1481003637 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh! < 1481003648 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Just ASCII. I thought it was interesting because it seems obvious < 1481003658 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bad at communicating in any language it seems < 1481003685 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any reason to translate acronyms < 1481003702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah < 1481003719 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems straightforward < 1481003732 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ascii is in such common use people are beginning to forget it's an acronym? < 1481003743 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems unlikely, but mayb < 1481003744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1481008187 0 :The_Prospector|2!~The_Prosp@c-73-239-179-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481008344 0 :The_Prospector!~The_Prosp@unaffiliated/cornman QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481009265 0 :Guest66666!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1481009354 0 :Guest66666!~kragniz@nyaa.kragniz.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1481009403 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481010200 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1481010237 0 :tromp_!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481010376 0 :tromp!~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481012338 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481015602 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1481015611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :709) Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird < 1481016401 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1481016404 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :984) W A R N I N G. This source code follows transcomplex computational paths, even where more accurate, real, computational paths exist. Y O U H A V E B E E N W A R N E D. It literally says that < 1481016510 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oedp < 1481016548 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1481016550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :371) oklopol: Why do you have so much experience with hoop-and-stick? :P Gregor: my fetish: learning pointless skills < 1481016761 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, transcomplex < 1481016799 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It's so messy that we simply think of it as goo. We don't know how it works but it works. ) < 1481017040 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1481017041 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :624) wolfram armageddon, the genius overlord game < 1481017160 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481017184 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1481017258 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8knjf0ov8h4l.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1481017482 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481018080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OIL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50459&oldid=50436 5* 03L3viathan 5* (+75) 10add link to Rust implementation < 1481018556 0 :newsham_!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481018671 0 :newsham!~chat@udp217044uds.hawaiiantel.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481018883 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa... another ais523 esolang < 1481019422 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah, monqy and 'hi' memes, good old esoteric times < 1481019614 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH trivial brainfuck substitutions have now spread to non-brainfuck esolangs. I don't know if I should consider that a good or a bad thing. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numeric_Underload < 1481019890 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Incident#O.28log_n.29_version < 1481020090 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently oerjan has a construction < 1481020135 0 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fuzzy prolog < 1481020137 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuzzy prolog? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1481020170 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary < 1481020641 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :subjectivist prolog < 1481021037 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f537:b6dc:8c67:3737 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481023206 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481023690 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481024183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Emotinomicon14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50460 5* 03B jonas 5* (+502) 10Created page with "'''Emotinomicon''' is a stack-based language by [[User:Conor O'Brien]]. Source code in this language is text built from emoticon characters. The language is likely Turing-co..." < 1481024331 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1481024840 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1481024848 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlist//ehlist is update notification for the Everyday Heroes webcomic. http://eheroes.smackjeeves.com/ < 1481026115 0 :sam[0]!?@? NICK :sdhand < 1481026808 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: ANYTHING CHICKEN < 1481027835 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do non-vegetarian humans eat meat on avg? like, 2-4 times a week? < 1481027856 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog food contains meat, dogs eat meat twice a day < 1481027878 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to prove that you love animals you have to feed your dog other animals < 1481027958 0 :nvd!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or get a hamster < 1481027982 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we love animals so let's get rid of dogs < 1481028397 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: I personally eat meat more than once per day, in particular, I insist on eating meat for the main course of the biggest meal (lunch or dinner) of the day, and often eat meat other times too, < 1481028407 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :provided you use a permissive enough definition of meat. < 1481028426 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f537:b6dc:8c67:3737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eat meat at every lunch < 1481028438 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: meat is a spectrum? < 1481028447 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f537:b6dc:8c67:3737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I eat at the university restaurant and they don't know about vegetables < 1481028458 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f537:b6dc:8c67:3737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone seriously needs to tell them) < 1481028565 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: for the purposes of this quest, food made of ground meat or sausages of any kind that isn't clearly a vegetarian sausage counts as meat, even if it actually has low meat content; also liver and other internals are meat; and fish meat is still meat. < 1481028597 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: basically each vegetarian uses different definitions of what he doesn't eat, so you need ot clarify this stuff < 1481028608 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know that < 1481028620 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some vegetarians can eat salami? < 1481028622 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the stuff I eat as meat is probably things most vegetarians don't eat < 1481028630 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: no, but some vegetarians might eat fish < 1481028634 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1481028638 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i knew < 1481028741 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sausages definitely have some meat, so vegetarians don't eat them, it's just that some of the low quality ones have so little meat and so much fat and skin and other animal parts that we don't dare calling it real meat < 1481028849 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, some "meat products" are made like this: you take the meat out of the pig because that thing is valuable, then ground the rest of the pig to very small particles and crush it together to a pink mostly homogenous thing and then heat it up for hygienic reasons. the result is clearly something a vegetarian won't eat, < 1481028870 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a real meat-eater I have some hesitation of calling it meat, just like I have hesitation to call a Trabant a car < 1481028874 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fish I think is the main thing that is a bit arguable < 1481028890 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you invite me to a meat dinner, and then buy me some of those meat products, I'll be disappointed. < 1481028909 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accordingly, I try to eat real meat most of the time, but I don't want to claim that I eat real meat every day. < 1481028930 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : how often do non-vegetarian humans eat meat on avg? like, 2-4 times a week? ← I mean, would you count a slice of ham or salami or something on a sandwich? < 1481028946 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like it's hard to quantify properly < 1481029020 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk i was talking about lunch or dinner < 1481029034 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oykbewwxqgfftwre QUIT : < 1481029050 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably say most dishes then, I guess < 1481029050 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: "how many times" is also hard to count: if for lunch I eat real chicken meat in a good meat soup (broth or bouillon or whatever you call that stuff) and then I eat real meat for main course, then how much do I have to wait between the two to count as eating meat twice < 1481029054 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cnnvuxpoxnfncqoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1481031176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1481031187 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Tiny14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50461&oldid=33690 5* 03Ron.hudson 5* (+141) 10 < 1481031804 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:f537:b6dc:8c67:3737 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481032134 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481032986 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there always is a catch < 1481033170 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew there'd be one, but couldn't see it < 1481036018 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8knjf0ov8h4l.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1481036886 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481037313 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1481038047 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481038049 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo5 < 1481038152 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1481040199 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481040816 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481040851 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1481042552 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8knjf0ov8h4l.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1481042828 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1481045277 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are also obliagte carnivores < 1481045338 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have mice infesting your neighbourhood, you don't need to feed them as much < 1481045426 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have meat as part of my dinner pretty much every day < 1481045430 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloudatcost support just replied to my ticket < 1481045434 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFTER 25 DAYS < 1481045466 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: presumably it is cheaper than AWS right? < 1481045500 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was $21/lifetime < 1481045540 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so aws is probably cheaper if you have cancer < 1481045653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so yeah, you're getting what youre paying for < 1481045718 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: so was the reply in any way constructive? < 1481045773 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 days uptime and no disk read or write error... what's happening! < 1481045779 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(speaking of CaC) < 1481045821 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: http://i.imgur.com/nQmEFOk.png < 1481045876 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that issue was resolved like 3 days later < 1481046011 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least you got the (I'm assuming...) Senior Support Engineer to reply to you... sure must feel good :P < 1481047130 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trump just tanked Boeing's stock with a tweet < 1481047397 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: oh? < 1481047423 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says the new Air Force One is overpriced and he'll cancelt heir contract < 1481047500 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much he's going to destroy whilst he's president < 1481047517 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: Huh. I wonder how they're able to provide such cheap services < 1481047518 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new and terrifying reign of terror for governemnt contractors < 1481047525 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1481047595 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can only choose between Ubuntu, CentOS, Windows and FreeBSD < 1481047597 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a be meh < 1481047614 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The CloudatCost Datacenter is located in Canada, Eh!” lol < 1481047664 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: the official story is that they're a side business of a telco so traffic and housing is essentially free to them. previous speculation on this channel points towards a pyramid scheme, essentially. it's *really* hard to tell, because they offer larger servers with regular payments... so it depends on how many of these people are actually paying for. < 1481047693 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I see. < 1481047718 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pyramid scheme is probably more likely :P < 1481047765 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case, if they stop being profitable, bankruptcy trumps life-time contracts. < 1481047791 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1481047885 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1481047981 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway at this point I'm below $1/month of disservice, so it's all fine :P < 1481048162 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this unicode mailing list < 1481048167 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote: < 1481048169 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about package names like ロシアМС21(Note the МС are Cyrillic), or πr²の秘密, or エリ_хорошо_μ'sic_4⃣ever? Although they aren't really names that people would usually use in package/var names, they are meaningful names... < 1481048179 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emoji were a mistake? < 1481048222 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: they're arguing over how to prevent name spoofing in source code < 1481048228 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 4⃣ < 1481048240 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0034 DIGIT FOUR] [U+20E3 COMBINING ENCLOSING KEYCAP] < 1481048245 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1481048253 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to add that too?!?!?! < 1481048259 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah.HackEgo: < 1481048275 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's エリ? < 1481048283 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eri < 1481048336 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe eli < 1481048342 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I heard the word Emoji I thought it was something like Emo-Ji, an ridiculus card game played by emo kids < 1481048367 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e(l|r)i good music forever? < 1481048388 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it's a reference to Love Live's http://love-live.wikia.com/wiki/Ayase_Eli and I am somewhat embarrassed for knowing all about it < 1481048435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does make sense... < 1481048501 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: hm, those examples are actually worse than what I usually see when it comes to japanese titles of things < 1481048527 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is the service really that bad? < 1481048544 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1481048697 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: well for most of the time (23 months now) my VM would have the occasional write error to the storage device, causing it to mount the FS read-only and become unusable. I haven't tried customer support. From what I've seen the VMs tend to be sluggish (see HackEgo). But it could be far worse... as far as I know VMs don't simply disappear or reboot spontaneously, for example. < 1481048717 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1481048746 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually lost data though (nothing that wasn't backed up or easy to recreate; I never put anything important there in the first place). < 1481048817 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "occasional" averages at every 2 or 3 weeks so far. < 1481048972 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1481049341 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's also this story http://www.cloudatacost.com/ < 1481049352 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a brilliant domain name) < 1481049509 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read that before I bought that VM. < 1481051333 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481051409 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1481051514 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1481052122 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481052786 0 :nortti_!~juhani@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1481052843 0 :trn!~trn@prone.ws QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1481052856 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1481052861 0 :nortti_!?@? NICK :nortti < 1481052869 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481052901 0 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481052901 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-brpwpcbnbmfwjwxl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481052981 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1481052986 0 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-pyytoxcpqymcntpt JOIN :#esoteric < 1481052987 0 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1481053455 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1481053631 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481053709 0 :hue!~hue@zirc/eclipse QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.x-git-686-93297b7 - http://znc.in < 1481053809 0 :hue!hue@zirc/eclipse JOIN :#esoteric < 1481054533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481055346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481056410 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 319 seconds < 1481056410 0 :wlp1s1!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero QUIT :Excess Flood < 1481056410 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko QUIT :Excess Flood < 1481056488 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481056490 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@irc.sircmpwn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1481056514 0 :sdhand!?@? NICK :Guest68122 < 1481056571 0 :iczero!jeffl@unaffiliated/iczero JOIN :#esoteric < 1481056640 0 :Guest68122!?@? NICK :sam[0] < 1481056650 0 :sam[0]!kyubiko@irc.sircmpwn.com QUIT :Changing host < 1481056650 0 :sam[0]!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1481057324 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1481057541 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-68.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1481060660 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:40a3:71be:e483:9984 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481062711 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:40a3:71be:e483:9984 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1481063122 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1481063226 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Starfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50462 5* 03Redstarcoder 5* (+9621) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=*><>}} '''*><>''' (pronounced as "starfish") is a [[Push-down_automaton|stack-based]], reflective, two-dimensional esoteric programming language based dire..." < 1481064098 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481064116 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-82l26zf8knjf0ov8h4l.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1481064634 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481064678 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-fnord < 1481064678 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1481064681 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beuh... < 1481064684 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1481064684 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1481064722 0 :moony!~moonythed@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481064892 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: int-ello. lambdie isn't fnordular enough hth < 1481064944 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1481065404 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Quit: * vanishes silently into the night, as quickly as e arrived < 1481065455 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1] hppavellon[1]. proper gender-neutral pronouns are shi and hir hth < 1481065455 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1481065477 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :un cabot < 1481065504 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonshachoir. rien de tel qu'un bon cabot pour enjoyer la soirée. < 1481065582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rien de tel que un bon cabot < 1481065605 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«qu'un». «-e» and «u-» merge together. < 1481065612 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not use contractions hth < 1481065637 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ought to jqça. < 1481065911 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reddit admins modified the way votes count. the sudden spike is jarring. < 1481065930 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you do realize that I'm tempted to have a per-channel edit distance setting just so I can set it to 0 for #esoteric? < 1481065986 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but fortunately for you all there's currently no infrastructure for per channel settings at all.) < 1481066039 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in what way do the votes count now? < 1481066093 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutellon. https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5gvd6b/scores_on_posts_are_about_to_start_going_up/ < 1481066147 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think those contractions (removing the last vowel of the words "le la que de je se me te ce ne" when a vowel follows) are mandatory. < 1481066200 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: then how come i managed not to use them hth < 1481066253 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jellonas. they are grammatically mandated. < 1481066327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optional contractions are basically the silent schwas, which means that the vowel "e" when it would be pronounced as [ə] need not be pronounced, but that doesn't change writing, except that it must be pronounced when it's necessary to break up a cluster of three actually pronounced consonants (sometimes there's a choice of which schwa you prono < 1481066327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unce there) or it's the vowel in "que" or you're singing an opera. < 1481066452 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there are informal optional contractions that come from (a) sometimes dropping the vowel of some of those words listed above even when not followed by a vowel, and (b) dropping a consonant from a consonant cluster in some cases. < 1481066470 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: aand what was the point of that change? < 1481066501 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use any of these informal contractions, but you'd better recognize them if you want to understand spoken French... though that's impossible anyway, so don't bother. < 1481066532 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoken French is a speak-only language, it's pretty hard to understand. < 1481066567 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder if it's more speak-only than Japanese, but someone who is proficient in both of those would have to tell.) < 1481066569 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: no idea what for it was to. < 1481066622 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: spoken French is easy, tsé. < 1481066640 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to produce < 1481066687 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:888d:3f8b:87fb:f300 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481066711 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main problem with spoken French is that there are neither significant vowel length differences nor significant stress differences to break up a sentence. < 1481066765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that results in too few entropy in the syllables and so too many ambiguities, though there's effectively still much more entropy per syllable than in Japanese. < 1481066878 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I thought posts were simply ordered by inverse of 'expiry' unix timestamp (upvotes just moved the expiry further into the future while downvotes did the opposite). (Expiry started as default + ) < 1481066899 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:888d:3f8b:87fb:f300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I'm pretty sure there are a lot of hints to break the sentences < 1481066949 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:888d:3f8b:87fb:f300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the quality of grammar and punctuation in newspaper has decreased pretty abruptly over the past few years < 1481066971 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:888d:3f8b:87fb:f300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when reading an article out loud I can hear that the music of it is all wrong < 1481066986 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:888d:3f8b:87fb:f300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentences break at the wrong places < 1481066988 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: (basically the post with the expiry furthest into the future is displayed first, then the next furthers one and so on) < 1481067000 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: that's how it approximatively worked, plus a fortuitous implementation bug where if the first vote was an upvote, the post got catapulted up front. < 1481067057 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it depends on the variety of spoken French. some of them have overlong vowels. < 1481067079 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: overlong vowels for what function? as in, which vowels are overlong? < 1481067383 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hungarian, we have stress and some phonology clues to break sentences to words: stress is always on the first syllable of a word, consonant clusters are usually either at word boundaries or at the start of grammatical inflections or in the syllable before them (and you distinguish between these by recognizing inflections), < 1481067514 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stress happens on the last syllable. vowels with circumflexes are long (that distinction is lost in Metropolitan French). < 1481067569 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clusters are hard to categorize. devoiced vowels happen all the time and give a Japanese feeling to words. < 1481067574 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vowels have a somewhat different distribution in different parts of the word, which can help guess boundaries, and "a" before a stressed syllable is very often an article; as a result most of the ambiguities comes from when you don't know if a consonant is starting a word or ending the previous word, even though you can tell which syllables are in < 1481067574 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same word. < 1481067652 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1481067675 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which sort of vowels with circumflexes? the hôtel/fenêtre type that comes from etimology, the vowels in passé simple and past conditional forms, or the vowels that are circumflexed only for disambiguation like dû? < 1481067748 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the etymological kind and conjugation one. circumflexes for disambiguation are pronounced the same as without. < 1481067794 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you may hear a difference between fr:à → en:to, and fr:a → en:(he/she/it) has. < 1481067808 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s| dû| dû/ãge| < 1481067927 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: difference between à and a (form of avoir)? hmm... < 1481067952 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à is /æ/, and a is /ɑ/. < 1481067965 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that works < 1481068008 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one is dialectal only, but this is an unfounded conjecture. < 1481068088 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are other not very rare words pronounced as /æ/ too? or is /æ/ a definite clue for that one word? < 1481068155 0 :moonheart08!~luxon@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1481068161 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/æ/ is definitely à, and nothing else. < 1481068276 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the [æ] sound will appear in «ma ta sa», but it'll be preceded by those clear consonants, so there's no ambiguity in there. < 1481068328 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1481068422 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct gender neutral pronoun is "that person". < 1481068436 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\bonsoiren\. < 1481068464 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intersting. < 1481068519 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously spoken Hungarian is still hard enough to interpret, especially if it comes through a noisy channel, and a large part of my problem with spoken French is just that I'm not used to it. < 1481068540 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japanese it's sonohito which gets weirdified until it sounds almost like sonofto < 1481068551 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you can use contrived examples like «ma pelle m'apelle». < 1481068596 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also that reading written English or written French is easy because the grammar has a lot of similarities to Hungarian, and that's what I'm used to, whereas Hungarian doesn't help much if I try to listen to French or if I tried to learn to read Japanese or whatever. < 1481068627 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you have to learn to pronounce an h at the beginning of a consonant cluster < 1481068679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1481068762 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heppavelloin[!]