+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++..."
< 1479370704 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bf but without being tc
< 1479370716 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what the world needed
< 1479370815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OneFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50256&oldid=50255 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+196) 10
< 1479370839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07User:Slnetaiga14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50257&oldid=50249 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+14) 10
< 1479370843 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get people thinking "oh, letvme make _another_ bf derivate worse than the others"
< 1479370937 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Didn't I add a GIANT "Don't do this" thing?
< 1479370953 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where?
< 1479370962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I fucking did
< 1479370962 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck
< 1479370966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE FUCKING PAGE
< 1479371005 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah
< 1479371014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Ja?
< 1479371038 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the giant thing indeed
< 1479371041 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes
< 1479371050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Leeeeaaveitt!
< 1479371058 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07OneFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50258&oldid=50256 5* 03Slnetaiga 5* (+58) 10
< 1479371149 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a red rectangle around it :D
< 1479371156 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:OneFuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50259 5* 03Hppavilion1 5* (+40) 10f0x7u0xC
< 1479371184 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh, and it's implemented in PHP
< 1479371187 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a plugin that adds this message to any page creation with the word brainfuck in it
< 1479371188 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently
< 1479371192 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yes
< 1479371199 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Or the talk page.
< 1479371239 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Or maybe we should gerrymander- round up all the BF derivatives
< 1479371247 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put them in /camps/ where they can't get out
< 1479371259 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PHP implementation appears to only ignore whitespace, and adds instructions ` for printing the numeric value of the cell and ! to reset it to 0, but maybe those are undocumented things to aid debugging or something
< 1479371259 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEIL THUE!
< 1479371276 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway point is it's not even just BF with one cell
< 1479371276 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like efghijk
< 1479371281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Nope, they're added
< 1479371289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: http://esolangs.org/wiki/OneFuck#Added_instructions
< 1479371298 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1479371318 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new instruction for [-], awesome
< 1479371337 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Yeah.
< 1479371343 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I thought that the official symbol was _
< 1479371353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: ...can I just get delete power?
< 1479371359 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who does one ask for this?
< 1479371415 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably shouldn't delete others' esolang pages at random even if they're silly BF clones
< 1479371418 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You know what? I'm just going to make a category and put any user who derives Brainfuck in it
< 1479371430 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I think I need some consensus that it should be made.
< 1479371458 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I think there should just be a big "BF Derivative" page where they're all put together in one big horrible thing that you never look at.
< 1479371461 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :also please sign your comments
< 1479371468 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It's from the wiki itself
< 1479371478 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1479371492 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the talk page, which lacks the customary --~~~~
< 1479371494 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA I forgot to when I posted and decided not to add a sig because it looks like it's just generic.
< 1479371502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I know
< 1479371539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Do you agree that a category should be made?
< 1479371728 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Talk:OneFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50260&oldid=50259 5* 03FireFly 5* (+171) 10Sign unsigned musings
< 1479371833 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, det(AB) = det(A)det(B)
< 1479371853 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But det(A) isn't defined when A is j×k, j ≠ k
< 1479371908 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's possible to have two A, B where AB is square but A and B are both non-square- specifically when A is j×k, B is k×j
< 1479371947 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in such a case, det(AB) is undefined, but det(A)det(B), which supposedly is the same, is defined
< 1479371952 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp
< 1479371958 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, swap those last two
< 1479371969 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :det(AB) is defined, det(A)det(B) is undefined
< 1479372078 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Do you know? ;-;
< 1479372103 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really
< 1479372128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1479372130 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ##math1
< 1479372132 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!
< 1479373995 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479374026 0 :testac3!~Kitteh@121.244.35.242 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479374032 0 :testac3!~Kitteh@121.244.35.242 PART #esoteric :
< 1479375804 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1479376762 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy%E2%80%93Binet_formula of which det(AB) = det(A)det(B) is a special case for square A, B.
< 1479376854 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In other news, "%E2%80%93" is really too much just to get a –.)
< 1479376891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ... I already weant to ##math1
< 1479376892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!
< 1479376922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it's a –
< 1479376924 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nvm
< 1479377161 0 :aucotsi!~user@2a02:587:2000:bf00:e22a:82ff:fe39:bece QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1479377226 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1479377262 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed.
< 1479377267 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it works. I can message all channels at once with a single command
< 1479377343 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's more important to ask whether you *should* do something rather than whether you *can*.
< 1479377461 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I needed to know
< 1479377480 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It'll mostly just be used for going AFK
< 1479377492 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't have to go to each one to say "afk"
< 1479377494 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's exactly what I was afraid of.
< 1479377540 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ...why??
< 1479377548 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html https://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
< 1479377567 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're both mostly about the automated kind, but doing it by hand isn't any better.)
< 1479377593 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a more direct way of doing  git archive --format=tar --prefix=junk/ HEAD | (cd /var/tmp/ && tar xf -) ...
< 1479377622 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I've looked for one every now and then, but never found anything much more "direct" than that.
< 1479377646 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1479377649 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use tar -C to avoid the (cd .. && tar ..) part, that's about it.
< 1479377722 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And "f -" is the default as well.)
< 1479377825 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can also do  git checkout-index -a --prefix=/var/tmp/junk  but that seems like to much to remember.
< 1479377839 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have an index.
< 1479377868 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or do I... it's a bare repo, it shouldn't have one really)
< 1479377880 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I wouldn't expect it to have one.
< 1479377925 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't think so: fatal: This operation must be run in a work tree
< 1479377993 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :git archive --format=tar HEAD:web | tar -xf - -C $HOME/public_html/something  ... let's see if that works
< 1479378210 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think tar -C makes up directories, so if 'something' doesn't exist, you might have to do that part via the prefix thing.
< 1479378240 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something exists :)
< 1479378316 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 'web' subdirectory is small so I'm not concerned about atomicity.
< 1479378371 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and needlessly replacing files that have not been changed)
< 1479378379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Really?
< 1479378389 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, couldn't you just create a new checked out repository (either by (possibly shallow) cloning the repo or with git worktree add), then remove .git from that, then tar c the remaining stuff up?
< 1479378410 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃x
< 1479378429 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ^
< 1479378439 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't see how that is supposed to simplify things
< 1479378454 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's not much simpler than git archive
< 1479378465 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not simpler at all
< 1479378467 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it uses commands I already remember
< 1479378472 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about git archive
< 1479378501 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a SANE interface for a vcs would have an svn export command...
< 1479378564 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perfectionist approach is this: Make a shallow clone of the repo with a detached GIT_DIR (I don't want a .git directory in public_html, though I guess I could use .htaccess magic to make it invisible and inaccessible), and pull that whenever the repo is updated.
< 1479378587 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, git archive could be more complicated if you wanted to make an archive in a format (or option for format) that git archive doesn't know about
< 1479378619 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, I think the perfectionist approach uses git worktree instead of a shallow clone
< 1479378668 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use worktree anyway, because it's useful
< 1479378716 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does involve a .git symlink in there, doesn't it? 
< 1479378739 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use worktree(ish thing) as well, and it is indeed useful.)
< 1479378740 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not if I use GIT_DIR, I think.
< 1479378759 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean worktree
< 1479378774 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a .git that might be a symlink... I'm not sure of the details of the impl
< 1479378792 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not sure either. At least it doesn't include all the content.
< 1479378800 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was a real .git with some symlinks in there.
< 1479378803 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can one make a worktree for a subdirectory, like master:web ...
< 1479378812 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you'd have to exclude that from the archive
< 1479378824 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: not in git I think
< 1479378827 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually care about the archive.
< 1479378837 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Git isn't very good at "narrow" anything, I think.
< 1479378838 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do care about not checking out all the rest.
< 1479378862 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
< 1479378881 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think I have something that works for me now, thanks :)
< 1479379004 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, git is very bad at partial checkouts and partial clones. this means that
< 1479379091 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a clone such that certain files or certain versions of files are excluded (because they're big and you don't want to download them, or don't want to store a copy on your disk, or they have confidental data) or a partial checkout (a worktree with only a small section of files in it), then git is about the WORST vcs to use for that.
< 1479379149 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost every other vcs has better support for this (not that they support it perfectly, but better than git is easy).
< 1479379164 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK this isn't some theoretical format limitation of git, it's just something the commands currently don't do at all.
< 1479379174 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sort of related, the other day I learned about https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Replace which looks to me like a really manual way of supporting truncated-history clones.
< 1479379298 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subversion has moderately good support for this. you can check out any subset from a repo, the rest won't be stored or downloaded; or you can exclude any file from the repo after the fact, and then svn clean will free the space for its stored copy; or add any file you had excluded; or you can create a backup or read-only mirror of the history with the files and versions of them filtered arbitrarily.
< 1479379307 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ or you can create a backup or read-only mirror of the history with the files and versions of them filtered arbitrarily.
< 1479379317 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are at least two problems in the interface:
< 1479379329 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :without looking at the link... isn't that essentially doing  git clone --depth ?
< 1479379412 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The thing that is hard is narrowing the history to a subdirectory; that needs git-pack-objects support to be efficient, because you need to skip subpaths of the tree objects attached to a commit.)
< 1479379456 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the commits. (singular vs. plural mismatch)
< 1479379522 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and I suppose git-fsck would also have to know about this.
< 1479379556 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... lots of plumbing, but technically this should all be possible without touching the repo format in a significant way.
< 1479379614 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: We made this for "the other DVCS": https://bitbucket.org/Google/narrowhg
< 1479379625 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I want something simpler... just check out the latest version of a subdirectory on every push. It doesn't have to be a working directory; it's really a poor man's deployment mechanism.
< 1479379673 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :every directory in the checkout stores the setting of whether to download newly added files when you pull to the checkout, but you can't easily change this status with the interface without affecting the status of existing files in that dir, which may involve a lot of unnecessary downloading files; and if you exclude an external (submodule) from a partial checkout, I know of no way to later include it in that checkout so that svn knows about it without h
< 1479379682 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ and if you exclude an external (submodule) from a partial checkout, I know of no way to later include it in that checkout so that svn knows about it without having to recreate stuff unncessarily.
< 1479379786 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very familiar with darcs and mercurial, luckily, but I think at least one of them has some support for partial clones too.
< 1479379809 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hg keeps rubbing me the wrong way... I can see that its foundations support what I need, but it's interface keeps working against my (git-influenced) intuition.
< 1479379822 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's/its/
< 1479379828 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously scapegoat is supposed to solve *all* the problems with dvcs, so as a special case it will support partial checkouts perfectly.
< 1479379881 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs is *too* different... somehow, to me, software development produces a history, not a set of changes.
< 1479379894 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much like hg either, but I found that some of the bad things people used to say about it are either completely wrong or were true only in old versions, so I should perhaps give learning it another try later.
< 1479379909 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look at darcs too.
< 1479379937 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have been wrong above though, because I think fossil has even less support for partial clones than git.
< 1479379949 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course I used darcs too early... it had some severe issues in its early versions)
< 1479380003 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I have darcs and mercurial and bazaar only because I wanted to download some software or other stuff that was on the net only as repositories.
< 1479380022 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly performance issues, but once or twice it has messed up a repo so completely that I had to start over.
< 1479380041 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, that's often the problem with some software. I think that's part of the reason why many people don't like svn: they used old versions of it back when it sucked.
< 1479380083 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also why clang people don't like gcc, even though modern gcc is as good a compiler as clang is; and why tmux people don't like screen.
< 1479380142 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: if you have performance issues, then you probably need subversion, possibly git. I believe mercurial and darcs and fossil don't aim to provide much performance, either because it's not in their focus, or because they're young so it's not in their focus yet.
< 1479380187 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the subversion guys have done a LOT for having great performance, provided you use recent enough versions of all of the client, the server, and the repository format (the latter two can be hard if you're not the sysadm who runs the server).
< 1479380239 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in the future mercurial or darcs will have more performance, when they get as mature as subversion. I don't know.
< 1479380277 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are also things why you currently might want to use two different version control systems; one for the big stuff where you need performance, and one for the small stuff where you don't.
< 1479380288 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ideal, but we don't have the perfect vcs.
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< 1479382366 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1479382379 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479382507 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Baez defines Kolmogorov complexity in such a way that it differs only up to constant addition (not constant factor) depending on how you make arbitrary choices (like encoding programs): http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/thermo/thermo_nopause.pdf (linked from https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/algorithmic-thermodynamics-part-3/ )
< 1479382514 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : the slides you mentioned (to Cale), 
< 1479382514 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know people do that
< 1479385239 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1479385395 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479385402 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory//To be theory is to be like a theorem, but inferior.
< 1479385422 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COAL CHICKEN
< 1479385902 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone who can translate something from japanese for me https://imgur.com/gallery/xRGyC
< 1479386031 0 :gniourf!~gniourf@pdm-l03.insa-lyon.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479389992 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikqcuoaplthwubbw JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479390155 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikqcuoaplthwubbw PART #esoteric :"Meh. I'm in too many channels."
< 1479390197 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1479390197 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1479398319 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sygmei 5*  10New user account
< 1479398504 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50261&oldid=50217 5* 03Sygmei 5* (+124) 10
< 1479398516 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50262&oldid=50254 5* 03Sygmei 5* (+38) 10
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< 1479399825 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1479399972 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell hppavilion[1]  So I don't have to go to each one to say "afk" <-- the only time i say "afk" is when i'm interrupting my ongoing conversation hth
< 1479399972 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1479400058 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479400059 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lie//Lies are even easier than monoids. They form groups, known as Lie groups.
< 1479400064 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479400066 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`mk//Everything's better with `mk.
< 1479400069 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479400070 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera//izabera is a bradyherpetologist. She is probably implemented in bash.
< 1479400074 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479400076 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real fast nora's hair salon 3: shear disaster download//Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is the most readable functional programming language out there.
< 1479400084 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brady-herpetologist? what does brady mean?
< 1479400086 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brady
< 1479400087 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brady? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1479400101 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow, i think
< 1479400110 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn brady-
< 1479400111 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "brady-".
< 1479401144 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... does that mean he writes slow python scripts?
< 1479401190 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :she
< 1479401233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you write slow python scripts?
< 1479401243 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no non slow python scripts
< 1479401270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible that was inspired by a particularly slow one.
< 1479401326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt izabera
< 1479401329 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6644:2016-02-08  learn izabera is probably implemented in bash. \ 6645:2016-02-08  learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in bash. \ 6681:2016-02-09  learn izabera izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh \ 6682:2016-02-09  learn izabera is a tachyhe
< 1479401378 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's truncated
< 1479401390 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think so
< 1479401416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Kitanai14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50263 5* 03Sygmei 5* (+863) 10Created page with "Kitanai is an interpreted esoteric language. The original interpreter is made with C++.  (By the way, Kitanai means "dirty" in Japanese (Obviously refering to the language's s..."
< 1479401423 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` dowt iza\bera | sed 1,3d
< 1479401426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6682:2016-02-09  learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh \ 6683:2016-02-09  learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh. \ 6685:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/zsh/bash/\' wisdom/izabera \ 6686:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/They are/She is/\' wisdom/iz
< 1479401449 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` dowt iza\bera | sed 1,6d
< 1479401451 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6686:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/They are/She is/\' wisdom/izabera \ 6812:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/tachy/brady/\' wisdom/izabera
< 1479401460 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i was assuming the interesting edit was near the start anyway
< 1479401476 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brady one is right at the end
< 1479401501 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't notice it was tachy
< 1479401507 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? calesyta
< 1479401508 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calesyta? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1479401510 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg izabera
< 1479401512 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6812:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/tachy/brady/\' wisdom/izabera \ 6686:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/They are/She is/\' wisdom/izabera \ 6685:2016-02-10  ` sed -i \'s/zsh/bash/\' wisdom/izabera \ 6683:2016-02-09  learn izabera is a tachyherpetologist. They are probably implemented in zsh. \ 6682:2016-02-09 
< 1479401540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was only two days later.
< 1479401639 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was always meant to mean "slow"
< 1479401659 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but boily confused the prefixes
< 1479401717 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brady-#English => seems right
< 1479402145 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The hippothalamus is the brainiest animal.
< 1479402148 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hippothalamu': The hippothalamus is the brainiest animal.
< 1479402184 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1479402201 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv wisdom/hippothalamu{,s}
< 1479402204 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479402220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/re-s//F="$(lastfiles)"; mv "${F}" "${F}s"
< 1479402223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/re-s
< 1479402240 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only does shachaf obsess on me, he reads my mind too
< 1479402298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that command name is memorable, though
< 1479402321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1479402324 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to rename it
< 1479402326 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also test it
< 1479402335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`re-s
< 1479402337 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479402349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits hippothalamus
< 1479402350 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it should also echo the name
< 1479402351 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän
< 1479402369 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm slightly worried about clobbering the original.
< 1479402378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it actually existed.
< 1479402386 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1479402391 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should check for that.
< 1479402408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/re-ss
< 1479402409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :F="$(lastfiles)"; mv "${F}" "${F}s"
< 1479402422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/re-ss
< 1479402423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479402535 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»"
< 1479402547 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that?
< 1479402597 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although maybe add an optional wisdom/"$1"
< 1479402622 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case there are intervening edits
< 1479402631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how about just adding "$1"
< 1479402634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then using rw-s
< 1479402638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1479402651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but adding s only makes sense in wisdom.
< 1479402687 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that's a lack of creativity hth
< 1479402731 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you should add that.
< 1479402798 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»"
< 1479402821 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then invent a good name for it, since you're possibly going to be the primary user.
< 1479403083 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like "The next time a nontoken Aura dies this turn, you may cast it."?
< 1479403086 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm having trouble thinking of a better one.
< 1479403149 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, make sure it includes the letter w.
< 1479403157 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru
< 1479403170 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: definitely not. that lets you cast a card an opponent owns. that shouldn't normally happen.
< 1479403197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still have to pay the mana cost
< 1479403199 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/whoops//OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»" 
< 1479403201 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/whoops
< 1479403206 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and any other costs, if any)
< 1479403215 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a w, an s, that's the essentials, right
< 1479403220 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: still
< 1479403232 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`culprits bin/whoops
< 1479403234 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän
< 1479403236 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you should control cards on the stack that you don't own
< 1479403241 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before
< 1479403244 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/whoops//echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ we forgot to implement this command
< 1479403264 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that even happen currently?
< 1479403268 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in the world was that
< 1479403274 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's an invariant I'd like to see broken
< 1479403276 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doat bin/whoops
< 1479403279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5338:2015-05-02  (cat bin/emptylist; echo \'we forgot to implement this command\') >bin/whoops; chmod +x bin/whoops \ 9708:2016-11-17  mkx bin/whoops//OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "\xc2\xab${NEW}\xc2\xbb already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "\xc2\
< 1479403299 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some cards that can allow you to control objects on the stack that you do not own
< 1479403303 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me to check.
< 1479403315 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, i don't think it was used much
< 1479403322 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rgrep whoops bin
< 1479403330 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: objects, sure. I said card
< 1479403331 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479403359 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ones that do that to cards
< 1479403367 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, Aethersnatch
< 1479403383 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` before bin/whoops | sed '1s#.*//##' | tee tmp/whoops; chmod +x tmp/whoops
< 1479403386 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0")${@:+ }$@: "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ we forgot to implement this command
< 1479403392 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1479403394 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tmp/whoops
< 1479403395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops: we forgot to implement this command
< 1479403408 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tmp/whoops oerjan
< 1479403410 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops oerjan: we forgot to implement this command
< 1479403410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, they printed that recently
< 1479403415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm tmp/whoops
< 1479403416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479403425 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this break could be acceptible then
< 1479403430 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I still don't much like that effect
< 1479403519 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it was only added because `whoops should exist, so it's probably okay to change it.
< 1479403608 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoops
< 1479403611 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​«bin/whoops» -> «bin/whoopss»
< 1479403626 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/whoops{s,}
< 1479403629 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479403634 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoops monad
< 1479403634 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​«wisdom/monads» already exists
< 1479403641 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoops testing
< 1479403643 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​«wisdom/testing» -> «wisdom/testings»
< 1479403651 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1479403662 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1479403668 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`before
< 1479403671 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/testing wisdom/testings//wisdom/testing wisdom/testings: no such file in rev 620059368c7d
< 1479403672 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479403684 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY GOOD
< 1479403691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chancellor of the Spires allows you to cast cards owned by opponent (but you can avoid paying the mana cost).
< 1479403760 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so why doesn't http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/products/card-set-archive still not have the Conspiracy 2 set in it under "Casual Supplements"? Does that set not exist or something?
< 1479403803 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its real name is probably "Conspiracy: Take the Crown"
< 1479403839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoops arglebargle
< 1479403840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `wisdom/arglebargle': No such file or directory
< 1479403930 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( do conspiracy cards have misleadingly innocuous names )
< 1479404173 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also doesn't have "Welcome Decks 2016" but maybe that's just new
< 1479404894 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: the page has Conspiracy 2 near the top under "Featured Releases". still doesn't have "Welcome Decks 2016", nor "Masterpiece Series: Kaladesh Inventions"
< 1479404896 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1479405841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479406456 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existential Quantification: There exists some value x satisfying the predicate p- not that it matters in the grand scheme of things- which, when passed to the functio...
< 1479406465 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-hubris
< 1479406465 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1479406469 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-proud
< 1479406469 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 1h 48m 16s ago:  So I don't have to go to each one to say "afk" <-- the only time i say "afk" is when i'm interrupting my ongoing conversation hth
< 1479406481 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1479406568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: but universal quantification is all that matters!
< 1479406577 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1479406711 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479406872 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1479406923 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Given the immense size of the universe, it's reasonable to assume ¬∃!you
< 1479406955 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ∃
< 1479406961 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+2203 THERE EXISTS]
< 1479406982 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how that quantifier works tdnh
< 1479406993 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479407023 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's only one way to interpret ∃!
< 1479407035 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes it is hth
< 1479407072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mv bin/whoop{s,}
< 1479407075 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1479407095 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479407105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoop
< 1479407107 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `bin/whoop bin/whoops': No such file or directory
< 1479407129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1479407134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/whoop
< 1479407135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLD="wisdom/$1"; [ -z "$1" ] && OLD="$(lastfiles)"; NEW="${OLD}s"; if [ -f "$NEW" ]; then echo "«${NEW}» already exists"; exit 1; fi; mv "$OLD" "$NEW" && echo "«${OLD}» -> «${NEW}»"
< 1479407146 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, ∃ quantifiers for "there exist finitely many", "there exist countably many", "forall but a finite number", "forall but countably many", "there exist uncountably many", "there exist infinitely many", etc.
< 1479407151 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must see them.
< 1479407160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoop ../bin/whoop
< 1479407163 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​«wisdom/../bin/whoop» -> «wisdom/../bin/whoops»
< 1479407225 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1479407228 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? אrjan
< 1479407230 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​אrjan is oerjan's first uncountable twin. He's inconsistent with the ZFC axioms.
< 1479407265 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice
< 1479407275 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:604f:2837:5593:2485 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1479408376 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :overheard on wikipedia
< 1479408383 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :"L'Arc-en-Ciel" is a Japanese rock band
< 1479408573 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w
< 1479408581 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3:o//o is a popular comedy adventure fantasy webcomic. It's about a group of adventurers, heroes or warriors (whatever you want to call them) called the Order of the Stick, as they go about their adventures with minimal competence or knowledge of what they are doing, and eventually sort of stumble into a plan by an undead sorcerer
< 1479408594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam
< 1479408595 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3: to conquer the world, essentially, and they're out to stop him and conquer their personal problems at the same time. Hopefully not in that order, so they get their personal problems taken care of before the final battle. And it's a comedy. tmns//tmns makes no sense. \ olist//olist is update notification for the webcomic Order o
< 1479408598 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`spam
< 1479408599 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/3:f the Stick. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html \ kmc//kmc ran the International Devious Code Contest of 2013 \ cake//The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
< 1479408608 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Is that description of "o" even accurate at this point?
< 1479408613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits o
< 1479408615 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjän oerjän b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs b_jonäs oerjan_nop̈e oerjan_nop̈e
< 1479408618 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siddhartha is a pretty shitty book
< 1479408619 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa whoa
< 1479408623 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt o
< 1479408625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5951:2015-08-31  learn_append os Also a municipality in Norway. \ 5952:2015-08-31  rm wisdom/o \ 7423:2016-04-17  learn o is a popular comedy adventure fantasy webcomic. It\'s about a group of adventurers, heroes or warriors (whatever you want to call them) called the Order of the Stick, as they go about the
< 1479408649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is b_jonas.
< 1479409091 0 :Alcest!~alcest@69.64.40.177 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479409228 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479409674 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1479409701 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479410089 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later
< 1479410313 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? os
< 1479410314 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Os is the accusative plural of us. Also a municipality in Norway.
< 1479410346 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp wizard
< 1479410354 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary file reflection matches \ vampire:Vampires are a wizarding myth Professor Lupin invented to make students hate Professor Snape even more, after Professor Snape almost made the students realize he's a werewolf.
< 1479410405 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i mwnicipality
< 1479410718 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1479411111 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1479411584 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479411607 0 :otherbot!?@? NICK :OTHERBOT
< 1479411612 0 :wlp1s1!?@? NICK :WLP1S1
< 1479413123 0 :WLP1S1!?@? NICK :wlp1s1
< 1479413125 0 :OTHERBOT!?@? NICK :otherbot
< 1479413170 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1479413872 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ALT+ENTER to open in a new tab in Firefox becomes far more useful with the "relative location bar" feature that I have added in.
< 1479415513 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479416179 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50264&oldid=50241 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+90) 10Optimized loop. ADDED TRUTH MACHINE!
< 1479416331 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1479416415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that feature?
< 1479416486 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That if something is typed into the location bar, it is treated as a relative URI (you can restore the old behaviour by prefixing it with a colon; this can be used to activate searches that are activated by keyword, for example).
< 1479416562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50265&oldid=50130 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+76) 10Added shuffle
< 1479416579 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian
< 1479416590 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen any web browser with a "relative location bar" feature built-in, although I was able to add it to Firefox by using userChrome.js (there is no other extension that does this either).
< 1479416764 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50266&oldid=50264 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-85) 10finalized syntax
< 1479417598 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479417598 0 :harvey!~h@APuteaux-551-1-100-139.w92-132.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479417841 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479417919 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1479418537 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1479419195 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you can sorta do that with vimperator (and some other browsers with vim-like keybindings) where T opens the commandline with ":tabopen ", so you can ^W the filename and write the name of another file in the same directory
< 1479419495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still isn't quite it; you will still need to erase part of the text and modify it. With what I did you can just push CTRL+L and then if you type something directly it will replace what is already there.
< 1479420794 0 :sewilton!uid32560@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zjzgkdxrfrjhpzlq JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479420801 0 :The_Prospector|2!~The_Prosp@c-73-239-179-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: when in doubt, kernel panic
< 1479421010 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never understood this vim fetish
< 1479421032 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ emacs user
< 1479421462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim seems like it makes editing text very fun
< 1479421475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but objectively less efficient
< 1479421545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not like you spend much time when programming being held up by the complexities of line editing
< 1479421640 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1479421721 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg69xv6ru3d73fv.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1479422030 0 :augur_!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479422110 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I've heard that vim is one of those things that's awful until you're suddenly amazing at it
< 1479422123 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereupon it is basically magic
< 1479422148 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can program with a keyboard with a different layout
< 1479422166 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're much more proficient with your qwerty or dvorak or whatever you're used to
< 1479422185 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yes but i think that's just the fun of proficiency
< 1479422192 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479422226 0 :DHeadshot_!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1479422234 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1479422236 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to say, its learning curve has a higher degree of polynomial than other text editors
< 1479422262 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use emacs, fwiw)
< 1479422284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of the day i think the entire world except vim and emacs has converged on the same conventions for basic text editing conventions because they work, unobtrusively, and the alternatives have no objective advantage
< 1479422292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like qwerty vs. dvorak
< 1479422390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the adage that code is read far, far more often than it's written, after all
< 1479422412 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim can read 
< 1479422434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but it's not any better at it
< 1479422449 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree
< 1479422459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it's worse because its plugin/integrated IDE ecosystem is shit, from what i've heard
< 1479422466 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1479422483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i won't argue that point. i don't know that much about it
< 1479422545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do know is that apple did studies on user interface design in the 80s which found that mouse-based interfaces are objectively faster than keyboard-based ones, but users consistently report the opposite
< 1479422568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are absolutely terrible at estimating how efficiently they use an interface
< 1479422627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vim is the ultimate keyboard interface
< 1479422631 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe apple is terrible at estimating efficiency
< 1479422666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have any evidence otherwise?
< 1479422936 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: nope I use pico
< 1479422999 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: yep I usually use standard IS QWERTY and require 111 key (or more) keyboard.
< 1479423116 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only 'IDE' I found worth using is the one in SmallTalk80 or Squeak.
< 1479423143 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I just use notepad++ or similiar syntax highlighting editor
< 1479423172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i gave up on emacs and just went with kate a while ago
< 1479423224 0 :The_Prospector!~The_Prosp@unaffiliated/cornman JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479423459 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use vim
< 1479423471 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with syntax highlighting and some other features disabled, though)
< 1479423566 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use kakoune
< 1479423574 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is like vim but better :)
< 1479423630 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1479423890 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, it has an old mso like helper? that's awesome
< 1479423980 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479424278 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1479424299 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii//ascii is the plural of ascius
< 1479424370 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think amongst live languages Finnish has the weirdest plurals out there.
< 1479424421 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: can you explain?
< 1479424443 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm dreadful at vim and it's sort of *ok*
< 1479424451 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hardly boosts my productivity though
< 1479424466 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning vim is one of the things I should really sit down and do over a weekend, but I never do
< 1479424502 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Zarutellon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitive_plural
< 1479424524 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is that?
< 1479424524 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhand: sdhellond. vim organically grows on you.
< 1479424534 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has seen too many wikisalted articles in his time

< 1479424549 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: wikisalted?
< 1479424549 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: as i thought! i knew his tale could be nothing else than the divine fnord, the ancient ones had aided his spell. still guided by instinct and blind determination, he floated forward and through the doorway and edging past the body, i loved the dead that gave me life!
< 1479424554 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: vim: yeah like foot fungus.
< 1479424568 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Interesting
< 1479424572 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good tasting fungus. you can make a delicious broth with mushrooms!
< 1479424584 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Does it exist in any languages besides Finnish?
< 1479424586 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: why does it break vims gj/gk?
< 1479424592 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it appears to be growing quite slowly
< 1479424601 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What do those do in vim?
< 1479424615 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: with that kind of broth you will see karmic accountants in tutus doing tensor calculations where they are the indexes.
< 1479424616 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhand: I once ate lichen in China at a restaurant. it was... interesting...
< 1479424621 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, moves the display without moving the cursor?
< 1479424622 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have wrapped lines, it will navigate through these wrapped lines
< 1479424626 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1479424638 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Well, kakoune doesn't currently support soft wrapping anyway
< 1479424646 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1479424646 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I haven't had to use tensors yet in anything.
< 1479424655 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knocks on wood

< 1479424655 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of annoying tbh
< 1479424666 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: was it served on a stone? so you ate an lichen stein dish?
< 1479424690 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I find gj/gk for go to start/end more intuitive than gg/G anyway
< 1479424696 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is that cooked in any way?
< 1479424700 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not the only keybinding that differs
< 1479424714 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: afair, it was sautéed with random stuff that Chinese dishes are sautéed with.
< 1479424726 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well yeah, but softwrapping is nice for stuff like latex imho
< 1479424737 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also gh/gl instead of ^$
< 1479424739 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhand: yup. there were pictures in the menu, and we were wondering if that was lichen. so we ordered it, and it was.
< 1479424753 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my rule of thumb: try to identify half of the stuff in the dishes you eat.
< 1479424760 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use 0 ubstead of ^
< 1479424820 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: everything I ever ate in China eventually got identified. I can't say that for Japan.
< 1479424830 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that's missing that I do mind is the * and + registers
< 1479425091 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt crazy always written with an z before the y?
< 1479425114 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mainly wondering about it when I see compound words such as beurocrazy and such
< 1479425521 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :my father is dating the daughter of my high school french teacher 
< 1479425590 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's 19 years younger than him
< 1479425600 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes me feel unconfortable
< 1479425611 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "beurocrazy" is a British person who's enthusiastic about the European Union, right? 
< 1479425647 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any words that have a "yz" in them, besides "xyzzy"
< 1479425662 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: syzygy.
< 1479425668 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "bureaucrazy" is a psychotic American working at a federal agency.
< 1479425670 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's one
< 1479425671 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :izelove: is your father prone to go elaborate lengths to make you uncomfortable?
< 1479425675 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme grep /usr/share/dict/words
< 1479425692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Turns out it's actually pretty common.
< 1479425698 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: could be, now I see my misspelling
< 1479425699 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. "analyze".
< 1479425711 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: basically the antipode of brexiter
< 1479425751 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizze: what does the suffix -yza mean?
< 1479425766 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yze*
< 1479425780 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that's spelled "analyse" over here
< 1479425799 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yeah, you have to be American for most of the 'yz' words in my /usr/share/dict/words.
< 1479425835 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Byzantine might count, unless it's too proper-nouny.
< 1479425835 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Breathalyzer", variations of "Byzantine" and "Kyrgyzstan" are the only results in mine
< 1479425873 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :No syzygy either.
< 1479425876 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn syzygy
< 1479425878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "syzygy" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1479425878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :syzygy
< 1479425878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: the straight line configuration of 3 celestial bodies (as
< 1479425878 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         the sun and earth and moon) in a gravitational system
< 1479425885 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least WordNet knows it.
< 1479425902 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/share/dict/words is the basic dictionary, maybe it's in an extended one
< 1479425934 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordNet also knows of kok-saghyz, but...
< 1479425944 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :comceptualize should be the newest buzz word de jure, no?
< 1479425952 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn kok-saghyz
< 1479425954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "kok-saghyz" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1479425954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kok-saghyz
< 1479425954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: perennial dandelion native to Kazakhstan cultivated for its
< 1479425954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         fleshy roots that have high rubber content [syn: {Russian
< 1479425954 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         dandelion}, {kok-saghyz}, {kok-sagyz}, {Taraxacum kok-
< 1479425956 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :         saghyz}]
< 1479425983 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it used like an rubber too?
< 1479425998 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that entry.
< 1479426026 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There definitely are a bunch of "uz" words, probably
< 1479426027 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :'rubb'er'roo't'
< 1479426043 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :uzi, vuvuzela, buzz
< 1479426061 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely probably
< 1479426082 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1479426103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "scuzzy", which you always use as an example on how to pronounce SCSI.
< 1479426117 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Scuzzy" redirects here. For the historic sternwheeler known by that name, see Skuzzy (sternwheeler)."
< 1479426124 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh, I remember vuvuzelas and how their buzzing drone were so much delight to football haters everywhere.
< 1479426133 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Anyway, puzzle.
< 1479426144 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCSI is pronounced "Skussi" in Icelandic
< 1479426146 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Anyway" doesn't contain "uz"
< 1479426159 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means someone who is a willfull dounce
< 1479426215 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finnish it's often /skɑsi/.
< 1479426328 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it like skass? (Which is basically an uncouth (usually ugly) woman)?
< 1479426346 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479426389 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Polish, but I'm not sure how SCSI would be pronounced
< 1479426402 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really mean anything in Finnish, though if you say it fast, maybe people will parse it as a contraction of 'sekaisin' "in disorder, in confusion, upside down; baffled, bewildered, confused, perplexed; upset (of a stomach)". (Which turns into "sekasin" more often than not in colloquial speech anyway.)
< 1479426413 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've heard anyone say SCSI out loud
< 1479426466 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I think the idea is, if you spell it out you reveal yourself to be not savvy.
< 1479426497 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an ASCIUS be?
< 1479426501 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to use something like scuzzy, to show that you're part of the cool kids.
< 1479426513 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Same with how SQL you're supposed to say sequel?
< 1479426536 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what is it a sequel to?!?!?
< 1479426537 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1479426547 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost a full day was devoted to agreeing to name the standard "Small Computer System Interface", which Boucher intended to be pronounced "sexy", but ENDL's[6] Dal Allan pronounced the new acronym as "scuzzy" and that stuck.[4]"
< 1479426547 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1479426558 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was for the best.
< 1479426601 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: exactly my first thought when I heard the name
< 1479426616 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, only things related to the number 6 can be sexy
< 1479426656 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what SCSI
< 1479426658 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: To be fair, it was written "SEQUEL" originally.
< 1479426659 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 
< 1479426666 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: like the number itself: sex (this is how it is written and said in Icelandic, kid you not)
< 1479426666 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+"*+"
< 1479426673 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could even say SQL is a sequel to SEQUEL.
< 1479426674 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Also german
< 1479426680 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also latin
< 1479426697 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SQL comes after OGNL hth
< 1479426709 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is based on the superior language THBK
< 1479426709 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also swedish iirc
< 1479426711 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't know that
< 1479426726 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: an Icelandic example: Hversu mikið ætli mörgæsir á Suðurskautslandinu driti á ári hverju?
< 1479426737 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not norwegian, we use ks pretty consistently)
< 1479426758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: Mmmm, eð...
< 1479426782 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er dat satt hvad dem siger om de dansk?
< 1479426814 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: a propper letter an not an currency symbol
< 1479426820 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you are wrong
< 1479426827 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 in german is sechs
< 1479426830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: About??
< 1479426840 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Wait, is the "ch" a [x]?
< 1479426859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: I know it isn't spelled the same, but it sounds the same from what I've heard
< 1479426862 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Oh, yeah that is true. One of Alitas battle bots is names Sechs.
< 1479426864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Which is what I was getting at
< 1479426870 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: yeah, but sechs is pronounced differently than sex
< 1479426878 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex as a sharp s, sechs does not
< 1479426881 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: primarly because it was the sixth to be made
< 1479426888 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Is the difference just the [z] at the beginning or...
< 1479426900 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK, this would be a REALLY good time for you to know IPA
< 1479426924 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: please be more specific, also i suspect you mean "sant"
< 1479426949 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you may look it up somewhere
< 1479426966 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically the norsk word for true
< 1479426990 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Is your point that the initial sound in 'sechs' is a [z] rather than an [s]?
< 1479427056 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [z] is the sound in bulldozer, yes
< 1479427069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OK
< 1479427136 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get this: In Polish, the letters u and ó are pronounced exactly the same
< 1479427143 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are distinct only for grammatical reasons
< 1479427194 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "ch" and "h" are pronounced the same too