< 1479168208 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine that depends on the language culture e's supposed to be from... < 1479168255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that makes sense it is supposed to depend on the language. < 1479168289 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Physical capability of speech could also affect it.) < 1479168331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should probably decide what syllable has the stress < 1479168345 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if any < 1479168384 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used the program namegen.js that I wrote to make up the name, and then selected this one.) < 1479168590 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of to make Magic: the Gathering card that has the effect: Target spell loses all subtypes and supertypes. < 1479168807 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother said the second or third syllable has the stress < 1479169517 0 :knottiloos!~androirc@2600:1:f202:7e33:4ea2:20bb:8b2e:52c1 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1479169589 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1479170357 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1479170359 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moooo < 1479170713 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as "efficients"? Probably the variables? < 1479170722 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By analogy to "coefficient", and not in a punny way) < 1479170848 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In precalc today, one of the things you were supposed to do was solve a system of linear equations in 4 variables < 1479170853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50232&oldid=50231 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+22) 10 < 1479170859 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x, y, z, and w. Written in that order. < 1479170861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was sad. < 1479170879 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50233&oldid=50232 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-2) 10 < 1479171220 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1479171249 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cdop < 1479171252 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDOP is OCPD, except with the letters in the *proper* order. < 1479172274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardinality is weird... < 1479173113 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdness you can count on < 1479173427 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har har har < 1479173471 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Particularly, the proof that the pure sets are countable (iirc) < 1479173487 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are pure sets < 1479173510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pure sets are sets that only contain pure sets. < 1479173541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really a definition. < 1479173551 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The empty set is pure < 1479173554 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could still mean all sets, like that. < 1479173568 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vacuously) < 1479173581 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't *think* it could < 1479173585 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and? < 1479173586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you like an iff? < 1479173612 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i would like an actual statement that is not fulfilled if you take "pure set" to mean "any set". < 1479173613 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A set is pure if and only if all of its elements are also pure; the empty set is vacuously pure. < 1479173625 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, right. I see. < 1479173653 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually that doesn't matter really < 1479173694 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In an infinite form, a pure set is a Set which only contains sets which only contain sets which only contain sets which only... < 1479173774 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you still haven't given a statement that isn't satisfied by "all sets" :P < 1479173792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1479173812 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479173822 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Dammit... < 1479173827 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, barring urelements. < 1479173841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they're usually excluded anyway.) < 1479173844 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm, could I define it constructively maybe? < 1479173863 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: however, i think even the thing you are _trying_ to define is not just countable sets. < 1479173876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh < 1479173881 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it includes the uncountable ordinals. < 1479173884 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, whoops, only finite ones... < 1479173901 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that i can believe. < 1479173909 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hppavilion[1] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[0] hppavilion[1] hppavilion[0] < 1479173916 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make perfect binary < 1479173919 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :111010 < 1479173923 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh xD < 1479173931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: Actually, that's ternary < 1479173936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: There just aren't any 2s < 1479173952 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: oh right. hppavilion[2] < 1479173985 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: Wait, when was I hppavilion[0]? < 1479173989 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(-hppavilion[1]) = hppavilion[1]I < 1479173993 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: never < 1479173997 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: Close. i, not I < 1479174003 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: Now that's going to be my backup nick < 1479174006 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: I hope you're happy. < 1479174022 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: blame my keyboard < 1479174038 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I will help the nas decode your secret nick messages < 1479174046 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nsa < 1479174087 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øerjan < 1479174089 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1479174133 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppâvīlíon < 1479174136 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ñ < 1479174218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: No, it's not øerjan, it's just "ørjan" < 1479174276 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: "_e" is the canonical way of encoding "_" when the umlaut is not available, and norwegian and danish's ø is an o umlaut in swedish and I *think* icelandic < 1479174302 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1479174304 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1479176675 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479176762 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get some help figuring out what Shuffle's paradigm is? < 1479177165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linky < 1479177195 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shuffle < 1479177241 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems imperative < 1479177269 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the others fit, anyway < 1479177280 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I was thinking that, but wasn't sure. < 1479177294 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, do you think it's safe to assume it's not tc? < 1479177294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: Looks like imperative with a *tiny* dash of declarative? < 1479177312 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: You assume it's not regular until you prove it, so yes. < 1479177339 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't figured out how to create a loop, so.. < 1479177353 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: ...rly? < 1479177366 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: Is there any way that you could *ever* change location in the code? < 1479177375 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite one anyway < 1479177375 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without going backwards) < 1479177379 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1479177404 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get it to loop 2 or 3 times, but then it resolves < 1479177426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: Clearly you should have used a tarrot deck twh < 1479177439 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1479177441 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tarot < 1479177443 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tarot deck does have more cards, so yes it can help < 1479177451 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: But really. Go learn tarot. < 1479177473 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be interesting. < 1479177494 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The card meaning get applied to the program < 1479177512 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will describe tarot cards here: There are four suits (swords/spades, rods/clubs, coins/diamonds, cups/hearts), with fourteen cards per suit (numbered 1 to 10 and a jack, horse, queen, and king), and trumps numbered I to XXI, and one Fool/Excuse. < 1479177526 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the explanation there! < 1479177543 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: didn't you see the warning about politics earlier tdnh < 1479177554 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the cards which Unicode has defined? < 1479177566 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which cards Unicode has defined < 1479177584 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those plus two jokers < 1479177603 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1479177606 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoua5: Oh, there's apparently "knight" < 1479177626 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is (I mentioned it in shuffle) < 1479177632 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Unicode has defined the standard French deck as well as the tarot trump cards. < 1479177638 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I called it a horse here (it will depict a man riding a horse), but maybe a knight is better) < 1479177653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, donny cards. < 1479177658 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fool is U+1F0E0, and the higher ranks continue from there. < 1479177661 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for demonstrating my new find-and-replace < 1479177673 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1479177679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :🃠? < 1479177682 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not have Latin-suited tarot cards then you can use French-suited tarot cards; I listed the corresponding suits between Latin and French suits. < 1479177685 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3 jokers < 1479177746 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, it also has three jokers. < 1479177755 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a generic playing card back. < 1479177771 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an interesting idea to look into. I may have to look into for a shuffle++ < 1479177835 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Unicode definition doesn't refer to the cartomancy tarot cards, but specifically the French tarot cards used in games. < 1479177872 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence the 2 is Childhood, not the High Priestess) < 1479177900 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than French-suited there is also Latin-suited, although if needed you can use them interchangeably like I have described. < 1479177910 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1479177946 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really just the symbols that are different, they are entirely identical in terms of the set of possibilities, and hence interchangeable for games. < 1479177947 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look more into tarot cards, I've never used the, < 1479178048 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Just* like the generic Western sets are interchangeable, with 4 different choices of suits. < 1479178091 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1479178117 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never used tarot cards either, but I can know the deck without ever having used them. < 1479178124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though apparently with the German suits it's common to use a 36 card deck? < 1479178145 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't know any games that use them and I don't much care to try cartomancy. < 1479178154 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What about a Double Fanucci deck? < 1479178170 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the Double Fanucci deck too. < 1479178183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original 15 suits (Mazes, Books, Rain, Bugs, Fromps, Inkblots, Scythes, Plungers, Faces, Time, Lamps, Hives, Ears, Zurfs, and Tops) each have eleven cards, valued at 0-9 and Infinity." < 1479178201 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is how it works, and there are also nine extra cards. < 1479178207 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The face cards are as follows: Granola, Death, Light, the Snail, Beauty, Time, the Grue, the Lobster, and the Jester." < 1479178250 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does Unicode support double fanucci? < 1479178260 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It better support the Tengwar already...) < 1479178265 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The biggest mistake made about Double Fanucci is the number of cards in the desk. Most claim that the complete deck contains 174 cards, but this number only refers to the number of unique cards per deck. In a proper game of Double Fanucci, there are in fact at least four of each card, which would give a complete deck at least 696 cards" < 1479178293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I take it single fanucci has 2 of each card? < 1479178298 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50234&oldid=50233 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+7) 10 < 1479178314 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(it is assumed that this version of the game was called Double Fanucci because it was played with a double deck, thus both a Single Fanucci or a Solitaire Fanucci deck may be thought to have only two of each card)" < 1479178409 0 :keemyb!keemyb@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-pfisrspkrjqbeojk JOIN :#esoteric < 1479178411 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A deck with 696 cards is far more than a mahjong game. < 1479178472 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you play the mahjong game with pokemons that I thought of, which has more than a normal mahjong game; you get four of each pokemon and a number of each element equal to the generation.) < 1479178495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many pokemon are there? < 1479178519 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 7 < 1479178528 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends which generation you are playing; with first generation there will be 151 pokemons < 1479178707 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Approx. 800 as of this Friday. < 1479178736 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, technically they already exist, but that will be the first time you will be *able* to play with the new ones) < 1479178754 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without a pirate copy from some guy who got a cartridge early) < 1479178851 0 :enoua5!4941accc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.65.172.204 PART #esoteric : < 1479178853 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pokemon mahjong game has two kind of sequences; you can make a numeric sequence or a evolution sequence (and some sequences may be both; in the case of only one generation, all evolution sequences are also numeric sequences; the sequence still need exactly three cards like in normal mahjong though) < 1479178931 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this gonna be like the mahjong videogame where you have to match up two tiles to remove them from the table or the actual game? < 1479178993 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized that talking about sequences wouldn't have sense in one of the two < 1479179037 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mario mahjong < 1479179053 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1479179806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1479180990 0 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1479181549 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought that some displays and also some devices that emit a Digi-RGB signal, could have two connectors, labeled "coarse/left" and "fine/right". If the other device has only one connector, or if you only have one cable, then the "coarse/left" connector is used. You can use both with "deep colour" mode or "true stereovision" mode. (You can also use "interleaved stereovision" mode with only one connector.) < 1479181598 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The normal mode with one connector is just "true colour" mode.) < 1479182396 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479185528 0 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1479186369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1479186600 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1479186794 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1479187364 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479187517 0 :Akaibu!uid118096@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmrjzrahdiyshtbi JOIN :#esoteric < 1479187778 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wanted to add a Delusion to my GURPS character to be interesting (and to use the points for skills), but I don't know what, and I also don't want something that would be easy to disprove, because then why would my character be deluded if he has disproven it? < 1479189496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1479190119 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like what I did with rule 120.8 of Magic: the Gathering? < 1479190264 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you did with rule 120.8 of Magic: the Gathering. < 1479190293 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwfrxnigsntmwxcj JOIN :#esoteric < 1479190378 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.7 (as of the datestamp mentioned the rule wasn't numbered 120.8, but I expect it to still work with current rules; that rule was only renumbered) < 1479190432 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :120.8. If a spell or ability causes a card to be drawn while another spell is being cast, the drawn card is kept face down until that spell becomes cast (see rule 601.2i). While face down, it's considered to have no characteristics. The same is true with relation to another ability being activated. If an effect allows or instructs a player to reveal the card as it's being drawn, it's revealed after the spell becomes cast or the ability becomes acti < 1479191435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingbat: Oh, hi < 1479191454 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwfrxnigsntmwxcj PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1479191499 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1479191697 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your bank interest is 100% compounded continuously, then in how many years will the numbers overflow in the computer? < 1479191811 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much memory does the computer have? < 1479191883 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I hoped you would know about how much they would need in the bank's computer. < 1479192075 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What type is the number stored as? < 1479192107 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also I don't know. < 1479192112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Once you know that, it's just B*ln(maximum_value), where B is your current balance. < 1479192115 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1479192123 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I knew these things, I could answer the question myself.) < 1479192127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, divide. < 1479192128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1479192130 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFUSED < 1479192140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln(maximum_value/B) looks right < 1479192248 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think you are correct. < 1479192255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks correct to me too < 1479192281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your take? < 1479192304 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1479192314 0 :moony!~computing@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1479192332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Now, if they're storing the value as some sort of float (like idiots), you could mess it up with rounding errors LONG before you overflew < 1479192538 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1479194149 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1479194395 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: So what do you think of the adjointness-as-associativity thing in Pratt's slides? Did I ask about it? < 1479197365 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg65rvmno7if815.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1479197533 0 :hppavilion[0]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479197563 0 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1479197729 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1479198202 0 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: found 1 in /dev/zero < 1479198280 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1479198794 0 :dos!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479199004 0 :hppavilion[0]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1479199726 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1479199973 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1479200303 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1479200709 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: ! < 1479200753 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1479200820 0 :dos!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1479200910 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1479201381 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1479201590 0 :Elronnd!elronnd@znc.dank.ninja JOIN :#esoteric < 1479201775 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1479201775 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1479201789 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg65rvmno7if815.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1479201802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no, it's not Accurate Hungarian < 1479204957 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479206984 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1479207502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1479208016 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1479209555 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50235&oldid=50221 5* 03Actuallyallama 5* (+10) 10Added CSL < 1479209688 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479209811 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good one. "Maybe a better estimate is possible — the current upper bound for N^* seems a bit big." (That's the final sentence from the paper that established the lower bound 13 for the planar K_4 in hypercybe Ramsey theory problem) < 1479209876 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the problem for which Graham's number is an upper bound, though not the best one known.) < 1479210200 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls wisdom/graham* < 1479210206 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/graham's number < 1479210216 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? graham's number < 1479210216 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graham's number isn't as delicious as his crackers. < 1479210941 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? graham's crackers < 1479210943 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graham's crackers? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1479211171 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fternooners are better. < 1479211179 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` datei < 1479211179 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-11-15 11:59:36.554537000+00:00 < 1479211190 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean today is the deadline of the < 1479211194 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? calesyta < 1479211195 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calesyta? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1479211202 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1479211239 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the CALESYTA contest, as advertized in the topic < 1479211494 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Results will be published before December 15th, 2016."? < 1479211686 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you implement a Turing-complete language in less than 128 bytes?" ... Brainfuck already made that possible. < 1479211724 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I find ironic since this is a point under "Rather than designing yet another variant of Brainf*ck, it can be much more interesting to work with trigger questions:") < 1479211780 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1479211781 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: brainfuck isn't the only one. there are a handful of other tiny interpreter esolangs up there on the wiki, unrelated to brainfuck < 1479211895 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it should be feasible to implement something in the "accidently TC" category that is much smaller. < 1479211897 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: see the list at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Golf < 1479211920 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get really tiny interpreters though, it sometimes becomes a question of definition < 1479211942 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reference (and shameless plug) for the size of brainfuck implementations is http://www.hugi.scene.org/compo/compoold.htm#compo6 ) < 1479211972 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1479212064 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the format, DOS .com? < 1479212113 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anyway thanks for the link, I didn't expect such a nicely organized list. < 1479212116 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes < 1479212145 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: link that from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_implementations < 1479212193 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1479212284 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that topmost comment in your .asm source a block comment... < 1479212289 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :old assemblers worked in mysterious ways < 1479212405 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BEACHCOMBER CHICKEN < 1479212527 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: good question; I forgot, but I'm guessing it takes the character following the 'comment' as terminator, somehow. < 1479212673 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was right. It's MASM syntax: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2096374/multiple-line-comments-in-assembly < 1479212709 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still works, https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/4c9h3x38.aspx < 1479212716 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking it might be something like that < 1479212727 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacky, but neat and useful for art like that :P < 1479212866 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, close enough... recode CP437:UTF8 < ENTRY.ASM < 1479212878 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50236&oldid=50094 5* 03B jonas 5* (+158) 10 < 1479213205 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sorry, didn't find my wiki credentials in time < 1479213241 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter probably, nobody cares about brainfuck < 1479213575 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1479213631 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's still a gateway esolang :P < 1479213686 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and I too am struggling with trying to get it out from my head < 1479213697 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: recode? < 1479213700 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used iconv(1) < 1479213742 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: recode is a bit older, I believe, and I recalled its foo:bar syntax so I didn't need to read a manpage < 1479213747 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1479213752 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know about recode < 1479215144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1479215469 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1479216337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1479217359 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479218579 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479218629 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479219912 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50237&oldid=50234 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+132) 10 < 1479219981 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50238&oldid=50237 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-2) 10/* Loop */ < 1479220145 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1479221968 0 :doesthiswork!~Adium@207.55.82.224 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1479224946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1479226200 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : boily: no, it's not Accurate Hungarian <-- boily was not there hth < 1479226520 0 :Ox0dea!~dea@unaffiliated/ox0dea JOIN :#esoteric < 1479226626 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Quit: Restart requested by wlp1s1: please, somebody kill moony < 1479226878 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479226973 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: a script in unicode whose combining character rules are turing complete < 1479227100 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that means the language is not normalizing < 1479227128 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for exapmle, you could have COMBINING S COMBINATOR, COMBINING K COMBINATOR, < 1479227185 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and COMBINING I COMBINATOR < 1479227209 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: um, how would you group those? < 1479227250 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING COMBINATOR APPLY < 1479227270 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something? < 1479227303 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just with ZWNBSP < 1479227322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zwnbsp < 1479227323 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zwnbsp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1479227332 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nbsp < 1479227333 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nbsp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1479227415 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb my building is apparently on fire < 1479228333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm someone put it out < 1479228745 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: https://www.xkcd.com/723/ < 1479228782 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( brb my building is under attack by a monster nvm someone put it down ) < 1479228833 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what sort of monster? giant mantis? red spiders? < 1479228837 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombies? < 1479228951 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining something reptilish < 1479228965 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like a velociraptor? < 1479228970 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger hth < 1479228997 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say allosaurus < 1479228999 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mighty ancient dragon? < 1479229002 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, allosaurus < 1479229004 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1479229014 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's better with allosaurus < 1479229144 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more dinosaurs => http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/10.html < 1479229212 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew what that link was before clicking it < 1479229303 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently somone was smoking on the 8th floor < 1479229469 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1479229540 0 :Cale!~cale@CPE9c5c8eb8e0c8-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know which slides you're referring to < 1479229651 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/PrattCDOOct2016.pdf < 1479231870 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1479232134 0 :otherbot_!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479232185 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1479232220 0 :otherbot_!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Client Quit < 1479232505 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479232643 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Excess Flood < 1479233042 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a090:8d4a:8c:8049 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479233898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "iw" is a deprecated language tag for israeli hebrew < 1479235082 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1479235943 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1479236074 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479236179 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: he brews what? < 1479236579 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1479236602 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479237626 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:a090:8d4a:8c:8049 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1479237761 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Quit: Quit requested by Bowserinator: dammit < 1479237910 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479238029 0 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lkooqtwyaijuheaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1479238320 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50239&oldid=50238 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+85) 10 < 1479238563 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: In particular slides 13-14 < 1479238600 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1479238943 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1479239403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50240&oldid=50239 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-42) 10Redefined war return order < 1479239628 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479239737 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1479239886 0 :otherbot_!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479239898 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1479239910 0 :otherbot_!?@? NICK :otherbot < 1479239948 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1479239976 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1479240628 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1479240889 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1479241111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1059 < 1479241116 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1059: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1479241533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: What does German yoda talk like? < 1479241568 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vso, i think it's the same as in english < 1479241614 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you are < 1479241809 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479241838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479241838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479241839 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479241839 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479241840 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479241840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337//1337 15 50 905 < 1479241840 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bdsm//BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did not invent it. < 1479241841 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :histogram//Histograms are diagrams showing histamine levels. Taneb invented them. < 1479241842 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opposite//Eht etisoppo yrogetac fo a yrogetac si tsuj taht yrogetac, tub sdrawkcab. < 1479241842 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes//You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. < 1479241849 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely spam < 1479241857 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ART is an esoteric timezone :-( < 1479241865 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALESYTA deadline is in 6½ hours from now < 1479241890 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note, anyone happen to know a Perl module that allows you to run an external program like a filter on input? < 1479241901 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you give it a standard input and a command, it runs the command and gives you the standard output < 1479241906 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like the intended usage of vi < 1479241925 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the intende usage of vi? < 1479241935 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's how you do nontrivial things in it < 1479241947 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by getting an external command to operate on the contents of your buffer < 1479241999 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1479242028 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah that reminds me of http://sprunge.us/FiUL < 1479242034 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :good damn, I understood that 1337 thing. < 1479242146 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :905? is that a year... < 1479242220 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has any[pb]o[nd]y ever made a programming language that behaves similar to a natural language? < 1479242236 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is a whole decade < 1479242246 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. right. < 1479242248 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not, like, developed randomly in a Naturally Selected way over hundreds of years natural language < 1479242248 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both my ISP and BT keep talking about a fault being in "the green cabinet", that must be some sort of a term. < 1479242257 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with grammatical categories and subject-verb agreement < 1479242286 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is the one with the red blonking led? < 1479242297 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I don't think anybony has. < 1479242316 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language with grammatical gender >:D < 1479242322 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would expect that to be a very common thing to do in Perl, so I'm surprised it's not built in. < 1479242327 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479242338 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: I don't know, I never found out. Presumably the truth, like the green cabinet, is somewhere out there. < 1479242344 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pronouns would be nice in general < 1479242356 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hewlob_jonas < 1479242378 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fizzie < 1479242380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is not fnord with a monad but the sneaky king of #esoteric, see https://zem.fi/static/img/square_fizzie_320px_white.jpg < 1479242386 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it isn't, Perl's built-ins can do it in one direction but not both < 1479242393 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I found IPC::Filter which seems to work < 1479242398 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a bonus, it was written by an Agoran < 1479242430 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.004 isn't the most trustworthy of version numbers. < 1479242440 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I thought you said it was written by Aragorn. < 1479242451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: version numbers are scow agree/disagree < 1479242451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I assume the Heir of Elendil knows his Perl. < 1479242487 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: P. scow, I guess. < 1479242503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean library versioning. < 1479242507 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a nightmare, huh? < 1479242564 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I believe IPC::Run can do it, and is also a well-established module. < 1479242566 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought version numbers were fine, until somebody had the bright idea to coin the term "web 2.0". < 1479242570 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it can < 1479242578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the solution #perl came up with < 1479242584 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but IPC::Filter has a nicer interface < 1479242587 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm torn < 1479242594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :inter-face communication < 1479242596 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go with IPC::Run to reduce the chance of random breakage, I guess < 1479242598 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all perlverts! < 1479242599 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1479242625 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: please stop it < 1479242662 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whatcha gonna do pun-ish me, eh? < 1479242741 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was in response to "now I'm torn" and not later messages < 1479242750 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zarutian: you can expect a sound beating with a maperl. < 1479242796 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still wondering whether the "anybony" was a typo or a pun. < 1479242844 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: It was just an intentional unconventional expansion from hppavilion[1]'s "any[pb]o[nd]y". < 1479242859 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Deciding between anybony and anypody was hard.) < 1479242879 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like anypodes < 1479242967 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp pode < 1479242974 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia:quintopia is our resident tl;dr generator. He is flooded by thundercats and thunderdogs. He is the temporal antipode of boily despite living on the same continent. \ Binary file reflection matches < 1479243149 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@vbo91-1-82-238-218-67.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1479243487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1479243503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479243503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479243504 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one ring//One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them < 1479243505 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp//welp is humid kelp, and not at all related to toes, their hairs, and generic requests for TWHes and TDHes. < 1479243505 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479243505 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479243506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :entrymsg//ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: < 1479243506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :copower//Copower rrupts. < 1479243508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1479243509 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drug//Drugs are no joke. < 1479243517 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg drug < 1479243519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7030:2016-02-27 learn Drugs are no joke. < 1479243540 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowg entrymsg < 1479243542 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8218:2016-05-30 learn ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: < 1479243552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough choice < 1479243782 0 :int-e!~noone@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp beef < 1479243888 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1479243897 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck:brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array \ Binary file reflection matches \ sbeef:Sbeef is the culinary name for meat from scow. < 1479243899 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? relcome < 1479243903 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1479243904 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relcome? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1479244597 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@74-114-87-88.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1479244854 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko JOIN :#esoteric < 1479244871 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1479244885 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1479244892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test1 \ test2 \ tmflry \ tmp \ wdiff-latest.tar.gz \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf < 1479244899 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does < 1479244904 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said earlier that it's hard to write a quine in my CALESYTA language < 1479244916 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to write a pretty-printer < 1479244925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end I had to resort to simulated annealing in order to produce a result < 1479244934 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome sdhand < 1479244941 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​04sdhand: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.) < 1479244947 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operation "go from AST to source code representation" is something that we normally take for granted as being easy < 1479244947 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1479244964 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's sort-of implicitly assumed that doing that's easy in normal quine constructions < 1479244968 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this language, it is crazy hard < 1479244996 0 :sdhand!kyubiko@unaffiliated/kyubiko PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Tanebventions < 1479244998 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1479245041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent sdhand? < 1479245049 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1479245053 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sat next to me < 1479245062 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe < 1479245067 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that grammar British only? < 1479245073 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever heard it from Brits. < 1479245091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I read about it? < 1479245135 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/18609/is-i-am-sat-bad-english says it's northern Englandish. < 1479245151 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another person says it's American? < 1479245195 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm northern English, so that's believable < 1479245209 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were Dutch. < 1479245215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1479245218 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although he has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventions). < 1479245219 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the top answer there, it's a very Yorkshire sort of phrase < 1479245239 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appropriately, I am very much in Yorkshire < 1479245255 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: moved out of Northumbria then? < 1479245267 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1479245270 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For uni, at least < 1479245277 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been for three years < 1479245293 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't Taneb been a student at the University of York for a while now? < 1479245293 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1479245303 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm racking my brains to figure out if there are any major universities in Northumbria < 1479245307 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of one offhand < 1479245313 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1479245314 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Northumberland, no < 1479245315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. And a lystrosaur. < 1479245321 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1479245338 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumbria university is in Newcastle < 1479245350 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as is Newcastle university) < 1479245547 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Northumberland is way too sparsely populated < 1479245575 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? northumberland < 1479245577 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1479245595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the title is intentional :-) < 1479245601 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typo < 1479245641 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like my sense of humour from five years ago < 1479245641 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479245649 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dowt northumberland < 1479245667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has a very good northumbrain. < 1479245668 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2904:2013-05-14 learn Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1479245686 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 3½ years ago < 1479245694 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Taneb becomes wise, he'll change his name to Tanwb. < 1479245739 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you managed to submit a language to claesyta? great < 1479245752 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: yes < 1479245762 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still working on it actually, although it's already a complete submission < 1479245765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hoping to go a bit further < 1479245774 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pretty printer is important for if I want to generate code < 1479245775 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Markets are pretty good. < 1479245776 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be interested to see that later < 1479245787 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you make an esoteric market or exchange? < 1479245803 0 :lezsakdomi!~led@540354BE.catv.pool.telekom.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1479245812 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the ordinary market is eso enough these days < 1479245822 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated, but is it esoteric? < 1479245927 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, http://esolangs.org/wiki/ARGENTOS is for calesyta and it's already up on the wiki, so that's probably at least 2 submissions < 1479245943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Market microstructure is a pretty interesting topic. < 1479245948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone else here was planning to submit too < 1479245961 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deadline's 2:59:59 am UTC < 1479245972 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably be awake then; if anyone else is I can talk through my entry then < 1479245981 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't want to discuss it until post-deadline) < 1479246000 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"planning" is not enough < 1479246016 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have five dice. Since my character has no attack that causes more than one dice of damage, I only need three of them, and the other two are not enough for another player (unless they have a similar set, and have an attack doing seven dice of damage, in which case I can give two of mine to them). < 1479246074 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TinyBF -- argh! wasn't there already one of these/ < 1479246176 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a more interesting approach to BF golf derivatives than I normally see < 1479246180 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to do better < 1479246746 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1479247004 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only has 1d6 currently. ☺ < 1479247009 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least i hope so. < 1479247011 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Inventory* < 1479247036 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1479247038 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*glad* < 1479247113 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games such as backgammon will need more than one dice though. < 1479247205 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or monopoly! < 1479247219 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too (and also many others) < 1479247244 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Settlers of Catan < 1479247245 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not chess, at least as I know the game < 1479247273 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not need the dice for FIDE chess (although some variants will use dice) < 1479247336 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently very early versions of chess used dice to determine which piece you got to move < 1479247346 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such as my own "123456 Chess" which uses the equipment from a combination chess/backgammon set, although the dice are not used to generate random numbers in this game.) < 1479247369 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could play modern chess under the roll-dice-to-see-which-piece-to-move rules too < 1479247378 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it would be fairly frustrating < 1479247385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to change the check/checkmate rules < 1479247507 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another variant of chess using dice that I have seen (but which doesn't use the dice for random numbers) is each player needs sixteen dice of their colour; they substitute for the pieces. What number is on top controls how that piece is moved (and which one(s) is king). After you move, you must turn the dice to any number other than the same or opposite. < 1479247519 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But you can choose which way to turn it) < 1479247566 0 :Sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1479247609 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could play ordinary chess, and use the dice to decide which player empties the ashtray. < 1479247662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you have an ashtray, but that isn't using the dice for chess, since it is external to the game. < 1479248942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Ashnod's Coupon < 1479248947 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ashnod's Coupon \ 0 \ Artifact \ {T}, Sacrifice Ashnod's Coupon: Target player gets you target drink. \ Errata: You pay any costs for the drink. \ UG-R < 1479248997 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could combine throwing a Die with throwing Coins. < 1479249077 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "the deadline's 2:59:59 am UTC. I'll probably be awake then; if anyone else is I can talk through my entry then" => I'll be sleeping. will you publish your language later, eg. on esolangs.org ? < 1479249103 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: I imagine it'll be published on the CALESYTA site at some point < 1479249114 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I plan to at least publish it by reference on Esolang when I'm awake enough to do so < 1479249123 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1479249266 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I just realised that Ashnod's Coupon is potentially even useful < 1479249288 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite its effect having nothing to do with the game, there are some decks which need artifacts that cost {0} and don't care what they actually do (so long as it doesn't hurt them) < 1479249388 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure. you can use it to get a drink when you're lazy to get up, or you can use it to distract your opponent to cheat a Cheatyface in play, or to make your opponent drop a Charm School < 1479249416 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was assuming other Un-cards weren't in use for some reason < 1479249421 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're playing one you're probably playing more < 1479249429 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, Ashnod's Coupon + Cheatyface is a good combination < 1479249465 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish they would revise the Oracle text for uncards. < 1479249472 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess where you roll a die for initiative every pair of moves < 1479249494 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as for artifacts that cost {0} that don't do anything useful, that's why they printed Darksteel Relic, though of course there are other artifacts you can use < 1479249556 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some moves, white goes first, some moves, black does < 1479249623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if one player is in check? < 1479249638 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe make an exception < 1479249671 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a bad idea for giving check to give you a 50% chance to win < 1479249685 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one player is in check they always move first. if both are, they roll dice as normal < 1479249689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that said, check-chess is a fairly fun quick game, the rules are identical to normal chess except that if you give check you immediately win) < 1479249795 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I don't think an artifact that doesn't do anything is generally useful except in limited games, because there are so many better artifacts < 1479249809 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: at {0} your choice is often limited < 1479249834 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Modern deck which plays a playset of every {0}-cost Equipment that's legal in the format, I think < 1479249860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact combo it uses, but it probably involves Puresteel Paladin < 1479249864 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Puresteel Paladin < 1479249871 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puresteel Paladin \ WW \ Creature -- Human Knight \ 2/2 \ Whenever an Equipment enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card. \ Metalcraft -- Equipment you control have equip {0} as long as you control three or more artifacts. \ NPH-R < 1479249875 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-44-58.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spellbook might help if you don't need the ability to discard for hand size during cleanup step < 1479249900 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the indestructible clause does help the Relic, since in formats where you play artifact decks, the opponent will often have artifact removal < 1479249940 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a modern deck that plays a playset of every {0}-cost equipment ... hmm, let me check how many those are and which ones < 1479249979 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, equipment that doesn't do anything is usually more useful than a plain artifact that doesn't do anything < 1479249996 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the combo is probably Puresteel Paladin + Hurkyll's Recall < 1479250009 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the Paladin out, all your {0} cost equipment cycles < 1479250025 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you play Hurkyll's and get to draw a card for each equipment you've cycled < 1479250032 0 :augur!~augur@c-73-46-94-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1479250041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need a win condition from there (attacking with the Paladin would be risky) but that would only need to be a couple of cards < 1479250114 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 7 such equipment (if you count Sigil of Distinction < 1479250130 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Sigil of Distinction < 1479250133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigil of Distinction \ X \ Artifact -- Equipment \ Sigil of Distinction enters the battlefield with X charge counters on it. \ Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each charge counter on Sigil of Distinction. \ Equip--Remove a charge counter from Sigil of Distinction. \ ALA-R < 1479250142 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I assume you'd count that < 1479250236 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it tries to draw a lot of cards quickly? < 1479250266 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can work, there are other decks that try to draw a lot of cards somehow, and many can be built in modern < 1479250296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my elf control deck tries to do that too (though it's not a Modern one) < 1479250305 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are good elf decks doing it too < 1479250348 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play combo elves in Time Spiral block, except with slivers < 1479250356 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the same combo, just a different creature type < 1479250370 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting to make the deck for Modern but I don't want to give Wizards any more money < 1479250397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How's your game thing going? < 1479250411 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game thing? my own TCG? < 1479250414 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy with CALESYTA atm < 1479250415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1479250418 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1479250418 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a couple of rules I want to change < 1479250441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can ask when CALESYTA is over. < 1479250443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I think I want the stack-equivalent to work more like M:tG's than like Yu-gi-oh!'s, purely for memory issues < 1479250460 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the guiding goals in the design here is to make it so that you can determine the entire gamestate simply by looking at the table < 1479250471 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Yu-gi-oh!'s works. < 1479250476 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that goal. < 1479250483 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of like Magic's except that when it starts resolving you can't stop it < 1479250484 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does that mean no hidden information? < 1479250498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: no, I mean you can determine the entire non-hidden gamestate by looking at the table < 1479250508 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1479250519 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all information that's hidden to one player but not the other is in the hand of the player who's aware of it (this probably generalises to multiple players but I haven't attempted that yet) < 1479250522 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll still have shuffled decks, right? < 1479250526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all information that's hidden to everyone is in the ordering of the decks < 1479250552 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the "hidden to one player but not the other" is not quite true, players have a sideboard-equivalent as well < 1479250553 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by TCG you mean a trading (=collectible) card game, right? < 1479250566 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or something in that genre < 1479250582 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the method via which the cards are actually sold doesn't really have an effect on the rules < 1479250597 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but it has a lot of game design consequences < 1479250606 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder to design a trading card game than a general card game < 1479250634 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's intended as a game in which each player builds a deck from a cardpool < 1479250650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the feature of trading card games that makes them hard to design for < 1479250664 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1479250694 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, and is the list of your opponent's starting deck public (unlike in M:tG usually) < 1479250703 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1479250757 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking on how to make a tcg, but haven't got anything that would really work well. I've got a few ideas, but they don't make a complete game. < 1479250838 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ais523, what do you think of the card Treasonous Ogre? it seems strange to me that they dared to print it < 1479250878 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably won't break anything, but only because they don't print it in a modern-legal set. but if it's a card that they can't print in modern, then why do they make such a card in first place? < 1479250911 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a card that costs 3R and you can immediately get six mana back. < 1479250922 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like a mini-Channel < 1479250958 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50241&oldid=50240 5* 03Enoua5 5* (-8) 10updated interpreter < 1479251337 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1479253426 0 :hppavilion[1]!~doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1479254343 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client