< 1477267570 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yphvcnnvztwoiyvp PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm speechless < 1477267592 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi speechless! < 1477267627 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yphvcnnvztwoiyvp PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. Have you worn this in public?! I hope so < 1477267688 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gorgeous < 1477267702 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :something summoned a demon with my terminal while i was afk http://i.imgur.com/9YxarEH.png < 1477267703 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the last few weeks it's actually been waiting for me to take that photo; now it's going to the wash, and *then* I'll be wearing it in public. < 1477267750 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itmakes me want to make something big in an esolang to print it on a shirt < 1477267831 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about the flowchart version of fungot, but it wouldn't've been readable, unlike this snippet. < 1477267831 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and unless you sleep the disk during most of holidays and weekends, zurich during weekdays. :) there were some differences with structs at least < 1477267985 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477268109 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lynn < 1477268150 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can tell when people are speechless < 1477268176 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of speech recognition < 1477268227 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the flowchart cersion? < 1477268346 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: https://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png (or remove "small" for a 5x larger version where you can actually read the labels) < 1477268346 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i love the internets. < 1477268352 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I know, right. < 1477268353 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: configure.ac is *not* up-to-date in cvs. what you say < 1477268380 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... what should i write with which language to put it on a shirt? < 1477268402 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pleasantly surprised that thing still exists; my user account died long ago, and I couldn't find a local copy anywhere.) < 1477268409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I take it the shirt isn't all of fungot, just a representative sample? < 1477268409 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you asking stupid things about option one is if you had 0, your input wouldn't work, it'd have waited until now :) thanks < 1477268426 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's only the babble generation part, right. < 1477268443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minus the actual babble dictionaries < 1477268461 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I see an "ELIF" which is probably a fingerprint load < 1477268461 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are separate files. < 1477268472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's loading them from files < 1477268498 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can call it "loading". It's actually mostly just seeking around the files, reading a few bytes here and there. < 1477268510 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to get the memory bloat of loading them all to fungespace. < 1477268577 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "irc" style is 195659600 bytes of n-gram trees and 1042812 bytes of a token-index-to-string map.) < 1477268612 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lower part is a binary search, I think. < 1477268621 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly remember what it is a binary search *of*. < 1477268670 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the "cur>" and "cur<" and "match" comments do suggest it's looking for something.) < 1477268808 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/images/2/25/Ziim_%E2%80%94_Add.png rotated 90 degrees would be an interesting motive < 1477268843 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need an mmap fingerprint < 1477268994 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should my botprefix be? < 1477268996 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^prefixes < 1477268996 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . < 1477269025 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477269029 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears metasepia isn't on atm. Is e pretty much gone? < 1477269033 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily. I'm making a bot! < 1477269062 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lambdabot hogs prefixes so much... it's kind of annoying < 1477269065 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1477269120 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~test < 1477269127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll go with ~ then < 1477269138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia isn't here right now < 1477269170 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last seen 2014-09-10 in my logs. < 1477269176 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a while ago already. < 1477269191 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]! I ought to revive it >_>'... < 1477269197 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: NO < 1477269205 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his523. I know the hiatus is long. sorry. < 1477269210 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: If you do, I have dibs on the ~ prefix. < 1477269212 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziello. that's about right v_v < 1477269229 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1477269230 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 232320Z AUTO 04004KT 9999 NCD 10/06 Q1011 NOSIG < 1477269232 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *THWACKS* hppavilion[1] away from the prefix
< 1477269254 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Soon, you will be able to thwack people via my bot and have it be meaningful. < 1477269289 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you use something else than ~. afaik, nobody has & yet. < 1477269303 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can use ˝ if you want. < 1477269334 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I believe it'd be fittinger if b_jonas used it. the wob_jonas bot, the wobbot.) < 1477269348 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a language named tube or something similar? < 1477269360 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CYUL < 1477269361 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 232300Z 26015G26KT 15SM FEW250 09/M03 A2963 RMK CI1 CI TR SLP037 < 1477269423 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, tubes < 1477269430 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the search function is stupid < 1477269478 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1477269619 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've always been at war with Eastasia < 1477269633 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. no we haven't. < 1477269641 0 :advbot!~advbot@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477269641 0 :advbot!~advbot@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :H3110! < 1477269649 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~test < 1477269650 0 :advbot!~advbot@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477269652 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1477269677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, simple ordering error < 1477269686 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad, tubes is underspecified < 1477269708 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh? < 1477269711 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's not < 1477269713 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up oldthinker. you must bellyfeel ingsoc < 1477269717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: My bot is supposed to have realname OceanaJones < 1477269724 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at hppavilion[1]. very intently looks. feel yourself being looked at.
< 1477269756 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called a method of the argument on the object, rather than the reverse < 1477269831 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477269831 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AdventureBot Joined! < 1477269838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~test < 1477269838 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net: Message acknowledged < 1477269841 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1477269864 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I'm not wearing any ingsocks, and my bellyfeel is full of phở. Eurasia is our ally. < 1477269881 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477269922 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still glaring at hppavilion[1]. "'tis my prefix, you vile heathen! I shall virtually shake my fist at you! In your approximate direction!"
< 1477269937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the walloons accepted our trade agreement yet? < 1477269972 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so... < 1477270014 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Le Canada et l'Union européenne ont donné à la Belgique jusqu'à lundi soir pour dire si elle soutient ou non l'accord de libre-échange, sinon la cérémonie de signature sera annulée, selon une source de l'agence Reuters.» ← It won't happen until tomorrow night. < 1477270571 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1477270580 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unréliable//unréliable is French for «peu fiable». < 1477270594 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo... what can you program with like 3 different characters to output < 1477270613 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about game of life, but i don't know if this isn't lver the top < 1477270759 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: If you can propose an unterrible prefix, I will accept it. Note that & is bad because it's overused. < 1477270810 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Multi-symbol prefixes are acceptable- will metasepia trigger on '~~'? < 1477270869 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ¤, ±, ¶, §, ¢ are all interesting. < 1477270876 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. it's been a long time... < 1477270891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Perhaps, but I want something that can be done on a normal keyboard. < 1477270973 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't suggest ⅞ nor Ω. < 1477270995 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :⅞ < 1477271002 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly standard keyboard here < 1477271008 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to type that capital omega though < 1477271019 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I can type ¢, ¤, €, §, ±, ∓, ≥, ≤, ¿, ⸮, ‽, ⸘, ⟦, ⟧, ∨, |, ¦, ⦃, ⦄, ≈, ×, ⁂, ¡, ‰, ‱, ∧, 〔, 〕, 〈, and 〉on command from my keyboard < 1477271021 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most people can't < 1477271032 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So I heard there's a new Linux privilege escalation bug. What do you think of using it in HackEgo? < 1477271034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(≥ would be a fun prefix though...) < 1477271036 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :≥test < 1477271047 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Canadien Multilingue Standard. it's very standard and sane! < 1477271048 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...OK, I'm going with ≥ for fun < 1477271056 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's some weird unicode thing < 1477271069 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ISO Level 5 + Shift + Q for the “Ω” hth < 1477271076 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477271076 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AdventureBot Joined! < 1477271089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to remove the joinalert... < 1477271092 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :≥Hi < 1477271092 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Message acknowledged < 1477271105 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1477271111 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477271138 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ is a great idea < 1477271198 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm hoping it wouldn't account to much, because I don't think the root user is supposed to be able to do much in umlbox that a normal user can't. < 1477271215 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought root access in UML was approximately the same as user access to the host? < 1477271248 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe. I don't think it's supposed to be, but it's possible it's porous enough to be that. < 1477271271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't a root user install arbitrary kernel modules etc. in UML? < 1477271316 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ❄ as the prefix for my bot < 1477271318 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got CONFIG_MODULES=n. < 1477271328 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can install arbitrary modules on *that*. < 1477271352 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the escalation bug allowed you to write to arbitrary cache pages < 1477271366 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual exploit is to get a copy of /usr/bin/su cached in memory, then overwrite it to do something else and execute it < 1477271377 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe there's some exploit that escalates a different way < 1477271379 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: did it snow in Ontario today? < 1477271397 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, at least up where my grandparents live < 1477271406 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here in toronto tho < 1477271456 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to fill up more gaps in my font now < 1477271478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so can we enable root access to HackEgo? twh < 1477271499 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1477271501 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh would help, but is an hth derivative. hth. twh. hand. < 1477271516 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand < 1477271518 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: are you planning on supporting brahmic scripts? < 1477271519 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird. < 1477271556 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: maybe someday. I have Devanagari and Thai working already though < 1477271587 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIvDVhN5Lv4 < 1477271649 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess the bug already did that? hth < 1477271803 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttp://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2742/index.htm <-- WTFFFFFF < 1477271830 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what universe is that a CIRCLED OPEN CENTRE EIGHT POINTED STAR < 1477271859 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cluster of 13 circles of various size! < 1477271945 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what it looks like in the actual Unicode code chart. < 1477271976 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like they have the wrong default image < 1477271982 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2742/browsertest.htm < 1477271991 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some weird font maybe < 1477271996 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, luckily i cross reference this stuff < 1477272019 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arial Unicode MS is the font with the weird symbol < 1477272298 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1477272428 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDq2xeed40 < 1477272452 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1477272453 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 13m 19s ago: The revert-file-additions thing was more subtle than I thought. < 1477272453 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 12m 53s ago: Turns out "hg revert" *does* remove (tracked) files that did not exist in the revision to revert to. The problem is that it *removes* them instead of *deleting* them. < 1477272453 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 12m 39s ago: Mercurial has both "deleted" (doesn't exist but is still tracked) and "removed" (doesn't exist and is no longer tracked) states for a file. < 1477272453 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 12m 15s ago: As far as I can tell, the transact code wasn't expecting anything to be "removed" (because commands in the sandbox can't), so it only checked for deleted file in the < 1477272453 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :status and never made a commit if the only change was files having been "removed" (like after a `revert of adding a file). < 1477272455 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 11m 50s ago: So after a `revert of a file addition, the repository was left in an inconsistent state, and the next command that caused a commit inadvertently restored the removed < 1477272457 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :file when it cleaned up the state for the second run. < 1477272459 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 10h 10m 53s ago: I think it doesn't hurt to just include removed files in the "commit or not?" check as well, so I'll propose that. < 1477272461 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 10h 8m 3s ago: that's a lot of @tell oerjans! < 1477272463 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 8h 51m 51s ago: btw fyi https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/pull-requests/5 hth hand < 1477272474 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only one could check these messages in query < 1477272517 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when lambdabot annoys me in query for messages i already read somehow else < 1477272531 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this was a bad idea. < 1477272544 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily yep! < 1477272544 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1477272562 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs popcorn
< 1477272584 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell izalove please send pooch pics twh < 1477272585 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1477272648 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://rs391.pbsrc.com/albums/oo357/autobono/angrydog.jpg~c200 < 1477272932 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that was indeed subtle. < 1477273045 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1477273086 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpoochaf. < 1477273177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of the IRC protocol to I use to check that a user is logged in? < 1477273183 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the nickserv sense) < 1477273193 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: to check that you're logged in or that someone else is? < 1477273203 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: WHOIS gives that info < 1477273204 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Someone else < 1477273205 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1477273217 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that nickserv is an extension to IRC, not an actual part of IRC, so it doesn't work the same way on every server < 1477273225 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on most servers, though, it's either whois or mode < 1477273229 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may not be the least verbose method, since it gives much other info too < 1477273261 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some servers change the username, in which case /who would work < 1477273289 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is the change of /whois to /whowas for a recently logged out user something the server does, or the client? < 1477273297 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1477273298 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :client < 1477273304 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1477273315 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the protocol level, you repeat the name to do a whowas < 1477273315 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477273321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO BROKE HACKEGO < 1477273327 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg WHOIS HackEgo HackEgo < 1477273328 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes it was Gregor
< 1477273337 0 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1477273346 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome atehwa_ < 1477273348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atehwa_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1477273364 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: oh? that does something else too ... gives idle time < 1477273368 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if logged in) < 1477273385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you give a second argument that doesn't match the first? < 1477273418 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1477273418 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1477273420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's back already < 1477273427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then it's a server name < 1477273449 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming the raw protocol is the same as irssi's /whois there) < 1477273475 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has /wii aliased to that repetition. it may have been preset.
< 1477273500 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been contributed by nintendo < 1477273543 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nintendo < 1477273544 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477273594 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That reminds me of a conversation yesterday about second derivatives : (U ⊗ U -> V). Apparently people always pass in the same argument twice? < 1477273663 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are fewer practical uses for differentiating by two different variables < 1477273685 0 :iovoid-!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1477273692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know what it means for it to be a bilinear map. What happens if you vary just one argument? < 1477273773 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If you vary just one argument, it behaves linearly < 1477273941 0 :iovoid-!?@? NICK :iovoid < 1477273948 0 :Yurume|q_!~yurume@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1477273968 0 :ski_!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1477273992 0 :Yurume|q!~yurume@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1477273992 0 :ski!~ski@129.16.29.50 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1477274084 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and that's the actual definition of bilinear hth < 1477274094 0 :ski_!?@? NICK :ski < 1477274109 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477274116 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1477274141 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477274158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what FreeFull said. sheesh. < 1477274189 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1477274300 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. But what does it actually do? < 1477274362 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, when did it join? < 1477274364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird... < 1477274465 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477274477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :±admin < 1477274515 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1477274570 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1477274573 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :≥hi < 1477274583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't receiving messages... < 1477274624 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477274690 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477274693 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1477274696 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :≥test < 1477274696 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Message acknowledged < 1477274699 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :±admin < 1477274770 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477274784 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently matrix multiplication is an example of a bilinear map < 1477274855 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it better be. < 1477274875 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HOURGLASS < 1477274877 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⌛ < 1477274883 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode HOURGLASS* < 1477274886 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode SCYTHE < 1477274889 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+231B HOURGLASS \ UTF-8: e2 8c 9b UTF-16BE: 231b Decimal: ⌛ \ ⌛ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+23F3 HOURGLASS WITH FLOWING SAND \ UTF-8: e2 8f b3 UTF-16BE: 23f3 Decimal: ⏳ \ ⏳ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+29D6 WHITE HOURGLASS \ UTF-8: e2 a7 96 UTF-16BE: 29 < 1477274892 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1477274908 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode oren < 1477274908 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode DEATH < 1477274915 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477274917 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1477274917 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2E9E CJK RADICAL DEATH \ UTF-8: e2 ba 9e UTF-16BE: 2e9e Decimal: ⺞ \ ⺞ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+2F4D KANGXI RADICAL DEATH \ UTF-8: e2 bd 8d UTF-16BE: 2f4d Decimal: ⽍ \ ⽍ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Decomposition: 6B79 < 1477274922 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radical death < 1477274925 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :±admin < 1477274938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, weird... < 1477274946 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to #esoteric-blah < 1477275027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: very common in china back in the 60s hth < 1477275057 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird... < 1477275057 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOH < 1477275071 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It was working more and I came to demonstrate it; changing the channel back now < 1477275079 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\ has an epiphany. we're doomed. < 1477275105 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nah I just realized my font doesn't cover < 1477275120 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY of the kangzi radical characters < 1477275131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the process was terminated without disconnecting... < 1477275133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops... < 1477275139 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sho xing < 1477275157 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unionized radical death, no doubt < 1477275167 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in pinyin x is sort of a sh sound hth < 1477275191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275193 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275193 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :713) I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF EVERYBODY THINKING I'M CONAL < 1477275193 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275194 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275196 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :795) it's not completely obvious since the displayed nick lengths are rounded to the closest integer < 1477275197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275205 0 :advbot!~OceanaJon@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477275209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :144) ais523: my nose feels like a bad heuristic < 1477275209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :432) Well, I'm now experimenting with clients It doesn't sound like good PR to say that out loud. < 1477275209 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :931) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" < 1477275239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all fine tdnh < 1477275272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, the process just didn't terminate < 1477275288 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yes. but not the same sound as sh. < 1477275288 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Pretty sure 'x' in pinyin is 'zh' in english < 1477275302 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which isn't helpful because we almost never use 'zh'- but it's voiced 'sh') < 1477275311 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it confirmed that exo mars has bcome more endo-mars? < 1477275394 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latin transcription of Chinese has always bugged me < 1477275394 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1477275395 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1058) Bike: i think it's a fermented fish product? either that or it means "welcome" in finnish < 1477275401 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what time of day are Muslim call of prayer supposed to be? < 1477275429 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese uses entirely symbolic writing, with no influence from Rome < 1477275445 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i believe x in pinyin is not voiced and neither is sh hth < 1477275473 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why aren't the symbols used in transcription the symbols that MAKE those noises? < 1477275495 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who decided "OK, so when they make the [tʃ] sound, we'll write a 'Q'" < 1477275505 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_times < 1477275554 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawn, midday, afternoon, sunset, midnight < 1477275657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But it has to be on UTC hth < 1477275678 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in UTC+3, for example, you do everything 3 hours early. < 1477275694 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they were just like "well, we don't need this crappy rounded k sound, so thets use it for a more different ch." < 1477275747 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea JOIN :#esoteric < 1477275749 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477275791 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "we never have a stupid ks consonant cluster, so we can just use x for something else" < 1477275870 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, Sunnis use UTC1 whereas the more orthodox Shias use UTC0, so prayer times vary due to leap seconds. < 1477275895 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/phonemes < 1477275901 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest smbc comic, surprisingly relevant < 1477275938 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That's awesome < 1477276006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHOIS foo foo" is not the same thing as WHOWAS at all. The WHOIS syntax is "WHOIS [] [,...]" and "WHOIS foo foo" is just a WHOIS command that's sent to a specific server. There is an entirely separate WHOWAS message. (RFC 2812, sections 3.6.2 and 3.6.3.) < 1477276015 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes that the prayer UTC divide was a real thing
< 1477276038 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make more Wiki Captchas to test? < 1477276073 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Golden Age of Islam, which is when they discovered a shitton of math and such, was (this is true, not a joke) driven by them trying to figure out what goddamn direction it is to Mecca < 1477276099 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The optional part is also a server; clients just turn "/whois foo foo" into "WHOIS foo", because sending the WHOIS to the server foo is directly connected to returns more information.) < 1477276158 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can only imagine a man in a turban in the desert with a camel getting a stick and scrawling non-euclidean geometry, vector calculus, and a proof that P ⊃ NP < 1477276161 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and in my opinion that is a silly way to continue such tradition. If the tradition doesn't work you can ignore it < 1477276207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good to figure out various math, but that reason doesn't make much sense < 1477276230 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: chinese has two parallel series of sh-like sounds. one of the series is written as sh, zh, ch. the other has to use some other representation, and they happened to choose x, j, q. not sure if i remembered the order right. < 1477276232 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in space, where apparently people have come up with two different systems to do < 1477276236 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276262 0 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276265 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i just discovered i've somehow got their pronunciation difference about backwards.) < 1477276278 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ch is a consonant cluster hth < 1477276311 0 :scoofy_!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276311 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276312 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276334 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: And it ended when they figured it out? < 1477276344 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Presumably < 1477276348 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276349 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276349 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1477276360 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for someone to comment on the last part of his frustrated scrawling < 1477276374 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ok guys, the algebra says Mecca is this way" < 1477276375 0 :nortti!nortti@ayu.smar.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276386 0 :scoofy_!~scoofy@catv-89-135-80-2.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276388 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "Um, I think that's a bialgebra" < 1477276400 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "algebra" does come from Arabic < 1477276401 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276411 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Somebody tries to find Gebra to ask him < 1477276424 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "alcohol" does too, and Muslims aren't meant to drink it.. < 1477276425 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's a name < 1477276432 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276432 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1477276436 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't think alcohol is arabic... < 1477276450 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the word, not the class of chemicals) < 1477276478 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's greek, though they may be related I suppose... < 1477276553 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what would "alcohol" be, but I think "algebra" is Arabic. < 1477276562 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It comes from Arabic < 1477276592 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it got mutated along the way < 1477276603 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Came in via alchemy < 1477276629 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary says from Arabic < 1477276685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1477276685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Wait, but what about "chem" < 1477276685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "chemical" < 1477276702 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did the greeks get the word, then decide it HAS to be greeky and inflecty? < 1477276712 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Algebra definitely is, and I'm pretty sure it comes from the authorship being "Al Gebra" and the transcriber mistaking that for (or thinking it sounded better than) the name given < 1477276742 0 :boily!~alexandre@192.222.245.222 QUIT :Quit: LLAMA CHICKEN < 1477276745 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: In the word "alchemy", the "al" part came from Arabic, and the "chemy" ultimately from Greek < 1477276779 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1477276818 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: So... did the 'chem' go from greek to arabic, Arabic created 'al chemy', and the greeks adopted 'alchemy' and used it to make 'alcohol'? < 1477276835 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the muslims sometimes _do_ adjust tradition, but only as much as necessary. e.g. not to starve when ramadan falls in norwegian midsummer. < 1477276901 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: greek -> arabic -> medieval latin -> old french < 1477276929 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: That "Gebra" thing is not true."-- from Arabic al jabr ("in vulgar pronunciation, al-jebr" [Klein]) "reunion of broken parts," as in computation, used 9c. by Baghdad mathematician Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi as the title of his famous treatise on equations ("Kitab al-Jabr w'al-Muqabala" "Rules of Reintegration and Reduction") --" < 1477276945 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: 'alcohol' was initially an alchemical term, before it became more widespread < 1477276948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With this formula, I can turn the phoneme cluster [ɛmiː] into [oʊhɑːɫ]!) < 1477276955 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1477276960 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, OK. It may also depend on denomination too I suppose; it also happens with Christian denominations and Jewish and Pagan and Wiccan denominations and so on as well though < 1477276985 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This may be the reason for UTC1 vs UTC0) < 1477276987 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if my denomination is dollar bills? < 1477277023 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: So we were only a small change away from being taught Walmukob in schools? < 1477277048 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: If they are US dollar bills (we don't use dollar bills in Canada) then it is done by the US laws for money I suppose < 1477277050 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...you realize that was a joke, right? < 1477277067 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I wanted to answer anyways < 1477277068 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the Sunnis and the Shias don't debate over what time standard to use < 1477277070 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1477277073 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good < 1477277097 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1477277105 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: No, but the start of a month is variable from Arab country to Arab country. < 1477277111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what, only dollar coins? that's a bit loonie hth < 1477277139 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it is, and that is how it is supposed to be < 1477277167 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coins are inconvenient. You should use only bills. < 1477277178 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also they should all be exactly the same size and color. < 1477277202 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bills are inconvenient. You should only use bitcoins. < 1477277208 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easter also may be different based on the Catholic or Orthodox they do it differently < 1477277211 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for convenience everyone should use the same wallet. < 1477277229 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems zzo38 has a similar reaction to jokes as me (to take them seriously in the hope of making the conversation more absurd) < 1477277250 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure that's zzo38's motivation? < 1477277265 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe not the motivation, but the reaction is similar even if the motivation is different < 1477277272 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The humorous thing is, it's not quite the same as that. The months are different in each Arab country because a month only starts when a full moon is observed. In that country. At the official observatory for that country. < 1477277277 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I prefer to use coins, and in Canadian also to have bills of different colours so that you can easily to know the difference < 1477277287 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not if you're blind. < 1477277293 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a cloud's in the way, it never gets observed so the month doesn't start. < 1477277294 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now that you mention it, I wonder when anchorage's large muslim community eats in the summer... < 1477277298 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(during ramadan) < 1477277306 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like string diagrams? < 1477277307 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We have the same 24-hour sunlight) < 1477277315 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and coins help better with blind < 1477277340 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But shouldn't we have ephemerides by these days? < 1477277363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: *Some* Arab countries use those instead, yes. < 1477277369 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How much are the small blind and big blind in Canadian poker? < 1477277375 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I myself am not so sure. < 1477277387 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of my motivation) < 1477277389 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: btw unless you were _completely_ joking, you may be confusing algebra with algorithm. take another look at fizzie's explanation above... < 1477277418 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know of any game called "Canadian poker". < 1477277422 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh! Right, it's that one, isn't it < 1477277433 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Looked it up, Holy crap, some crazy people actually fast from sunrise to sunset up there. < 1477277442 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so they will probably vary like with other poker games < 1477277444 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow. < 1477277452 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, they did. < 1477277455 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they're dead. < 1477277478 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Does IV count as fasting? What about at the hospital?) < 1477277488 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What happens to muslims who are in comas?) < 1477277495 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: you can break fast if you're ill hth < 1477277503 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. good hth. < 1477277508 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does optimizing a computer program count as fasting it? < 1477277510 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the official exceptions. < 1477277515 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are several.) < 1477277522 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Does that include if the muslim is rad (as in, "totally sick")? < 1477277535 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: i think being rad may be haram hth < 1477277539 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh < 1477277558 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that "sunrise" and "sunset" are timed based on being able to see the sun itself, not on seeing sunlight. And in Anchorage you don't ever get an actual lack of sunset. < 1477277564 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can some of your virgins be revoked in extenuating circumstances? < 1477277577 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, you get sunlight 24 hour but the sun is below the horizon for part of the day. < 1477277583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True, but it's hard to tell < 1477277612 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Muslim scholars suggest is, if following local time for Ramadan is impractical, use the time in Mecca. < 1477277628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, that's actually pretty clever < 1477277644 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that kind of like cheating? < 1477277663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this sentence < 1477277669 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is just. Taneb invented it. < 1477277684 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think there were some fairly famous statements about how if the rules are impossible to follow, you can substitute something similar < 1477277684 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you "invent" sentences? < 1477277695 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wash yourself with sand" to someone complaining about the lack of water to wash with < 1477277698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you sentence people to things, but what do you do when you create the sentence itself? < 1477277717 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: s/full moon/new moon/ way above, i think < 1477277745 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you assemble them hth < 1477277748 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Considering the alternative would probably mean nobody following Ramadan (per the fact that medical conditions are permitted exemptions)... not really? < 1477277757 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sentences are like lego constructions) < 1477277760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you assemble contraptions. < 1477277766 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lol, your sentences were always there, you're just discovering them < 1477277778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody may have done it before, perhaps several times, but you did it independently. < 1477277779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Cale < 1477277781 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1477277783 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of string diagrams? < 1477277797 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentences are crafted, I think < 1477277798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than invented < 1477277808 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm talking about a judicial sentence. < 1477277810 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O, OK, I suppose it is better than nothing anyways. People should be allowed to follow their own religion themself, although it does help to have traditions and philosophy and so on and you can learn better from these things together with your own ideas < 1477277811 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them, though I don't know how useful they are in very complicated situation. < 1477277811 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1477277813 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: But you can (theoretically) write a program that will iterate over all english sentences < 1477277831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: those are chosen, because there's typically only a small finite number of possibilities < 1477277835 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, crafting has to be uniform and rigid, something a machine can do without 10 years of AI research < 1477277836 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Are there places where geometric intuition can go wrong? < 1477277840 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: like "Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo." < 1477277843 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "This sentence is just. Taneb chose it."? < 1477277858 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a little amusing if the way that settled is everyone fasted until it ceased to be healthy to do so, though. < 1477277860 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well Taneb inventing things is a #esoteric meme < 1477277861 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still think you assemble sentences < 1477277867 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can invent things that can't logically be invented < 1477277875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1477277876 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. < 1477277883 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be not very long, as the fast includes liquids. < 1477277886 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lambek's lemma < 1477277887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambek's Lemma, invented by Joachim "Taneb" Lambek, states that initial algebras have inverses. < 1477277893 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1477277922 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing to do is to try to figure out the intention, I think. And then, see if it is good or not to you. < 1477277931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The components already existed, the rules to determine if it's allowed are set in stone (well, it's talc), and it may have been used before; you just put together the parts that make that particular sentence < 1477277936 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know about going wrong... but they're not terribly compact, and you end up wanting to express that one diagram is equal to another, which can be awkward if you have to do it a lot. < 1477277940 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blind faith is no good. < 1477277954 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But for like, examining how the basic laws look and stuff, it's really nice. < 1477277968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can't invent a sentence, but somebody did invent sentences in general, though likely accidentally hth < 1477277986 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The invention was changed over time to adjust the scope of permitted sentences) < 1477277992 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whether you are Muslim, Chrisian, or atheist, either way is what I meant by my points made) < 1477278004 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah < 1477278014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! It's a judicial sentence, I see < 1477278029 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Taneb invent the very notion of inventing things? < 1477278034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This [judicial] sentence is just[ified]" < 1477278041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebvention < 1477278042 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1477278043 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You administer sentences < 1477278060 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: No hth < 1477278075 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that entry used to say that Taneb invented Tanebventions. But not anymore. < 1477278090 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the judge administer a sentence, or do people do that after the judge's sentencing? < 1477278094 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Problem: Taneb never invents anything involving sex, but humans can make ANYTHING sexual. < 1477278103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1477278115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he invented the sentence that describes Tanebventions < 1477278115 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Greenspun's Third Theological Problem (regarding hell) < 1477278142 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, he invented a sentence iterating over a finite subset of tanebventions. That's different < 1477278143 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure "this sentence" doesn't refer to the wisdom entry "this sentence"? < 1477278150 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this sentence < 1477278151 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is just. Taneb invented it. < 1477278159 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right < 1477278162 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much you know of theological problems anyways? < 1477278173 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know Greenspun's Third theological problems < 1477278183 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not 100% sure the entry actually refers to anything, given that it's mostly a joke entry < 1477278215 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Greenspun's other theological problem? < 1477278243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the problem of evil (omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omniscient -> ~evil anywhere), the problem of moving goalposts (god keeps getting farther away), and the obvious issue with God of the Gaps < 1477278281 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Greenspun famous for not using contiguous numbers for things like laws? < 1477278302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change-of-basis matrices have nonzero determinant. Taneb inverted them. < 1477278311 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Greenspun's Third Theological Problem is like Greenspun's Tenth Rule < 1477278325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: my favourite description of the (fictional, probably) Computer from Paranoia is "it's omnipotent, but doesn't realise it; and it's not omniscient, but believes it is" < 1477278329 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it wasn't even invented by Greenspun, I just made it up right now. < 1477278365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a pretty fun combintion of properties to have for a character in a fictional universe < 1477278369 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I have other ideas about those things anyways. Such as, God doesn't keep getting farther away it is just our point of view to do so (although this statement also oversimplifies it a bit perhaps). < 1477278375 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AFAICT doesn't contain any internal inconsistencies < 1477278433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477278710 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, where does WHOIS's output come out protocol-wise? < 1477278831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I see... < 1477279889 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any number-base-agnostic programming languages? < 1477279900 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/programming/estoeric < 1477279911 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/estoeric/esoteric < 1477279932 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: does Radixal!!!! count? < 1477279944 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I'll check. < 1477279948 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are plenty of languages that don't decompose numbers into digits at all, but I assume that's not what you meant < 1477279973 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of languages that don't have numbers. < 1477279976 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that count? < 1477279983 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck for example is like... kind of unary. < 1477280010 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a way of specifying hexadecimal or decimal literals. < 1477280436 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo fibonacci | sed -e's/.*/. ./;x;s/.*/./p;x;:l' -e's/\(.*\) \(.*\)/\2 \1\2/;h;s/ .*//p;x;bl' | head -7 < 1477280437 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ . \ .. \ ... \ ..... \ ........ \ ............. < 1477280455 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as a language without numbers? < 1477280457 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed never fails to amaze me. < 1477280467 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's TC < 1477280472 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware. < 1477280473 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an interpreter for a TC language in it, I forget which offhand < 1477280481 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used to play sokoban in sed.
< 1477280482 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a bf interpreter in sed < 1477280493 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is boring
< 1477280503 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only does bf stuff
< 1477280540 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf is fun. < 1477280748 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo pow2 | sed -e's/.*/./;:a' -e'p;s/.*/&&/;ba' | head -7 < 1477280749 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. \ .. \ .... \ ........ \ ................ \ ................................ \ ................................................................ < 1477281045 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1477281091 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan is my dad < 1477281202 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ratpuke < 1477281206 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ratpuke: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1477281210 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1477281274 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Have No Son HTH < 1477281323 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boi < 1477281335 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're old enough to have a daughter < 1477281462 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true but i don't and it doesn't fit the meme hth < 1477281483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(technically i'm also old enough to have a granddaughter) < 1477281492 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be a programmer am now a doctor nurse practitioner < 1477281502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, great granddaugher. < 1477281506 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss programming uwu < 1477281518 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one would require some creepiness) < 1477281536 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan you are 45 - 48 ??? < 1477281540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1477281560 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good I remembered correctly < 1477281601 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how are you œrjan < 1477281635 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is old enough to be his own grandpa < 1477281644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which he is, incidentally < 1477281687 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not my own grandpa. < 1477281724 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my uncle is, however, iirc. < 1477281732 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:818a:50af:5d76:97ea QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477281735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your uncle is your own grandpa? < 1477281742 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, his own hth < 1477281764 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze < 1477281766 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i messed this up < 1477281767 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to be someone's hth < 1477281774 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atleast shachaf isn't dead < 1477281782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is ratpuke? < 1477281789 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be dead. you are all illusions. < 1477281794 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old attendee < 1477281810 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't remember. < 1477281813 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed my name and my house since I left < 1477281830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you did not improve your manners? < 1477281866 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed your manor to another manor < 1477281877 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its hard to keep manners at my house seeing as I have to super professional at the clinic < 1477281903 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be* < 1477281962 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me be your doctor shachaf < 1477281972 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who you are. < 1477281980 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I know you by another name? < 1477281982 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:dbd:2a11:f0d7:a06d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477281984 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no that's a conflict of interest scratch that forget I said that < 1477282011 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what name I came on here with last hence the new account let me remember in a bit < 1477282057 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan lest you wake up to find you were only ever a dream < 1477282080 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the I may be dead you are all illusions < 1477282115 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:dbd:2a11:f0d7:a06d QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1477282363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cut elimination < 1477282364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cut-elimination theorem states that any Prolog program written using the cut operator ! can be rewritten without using that operator. < 1477282425 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits cut elimination < 1477282427 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzïe evilips̈e shachäf < 1477282505 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls /bin < 1477282506 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ findmnt \ fuser \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ kmod \ less \ < 1477282509 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that's somehow a special case of the real CET
< 1477282520 0 :ratpuke!~AndChat63@69-10-210-57.rainierconnect.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477282521 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo > /bin/chgrp < 1477282522 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: /bin/chgrp: Read-only file system < 1477282542 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls / < 1477282543 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr < 1477282546 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :breatharians vs flat earthers < 1477282550 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick your favorite < 1477282587 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mount < 1477282588 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none on /bin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/) \ none on /usr type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/) \ none on /dev type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/) \ none on /opt type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/) \ none on /lib type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/) \ none on /sbin type hostfs (ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/) \ none on /lib64 type host < 1477282597 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` mount | grep rw < 1477282598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none on /hackenv type hostfs (rw,nosuid,relatime,/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/) \ tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,relatime) \ proc on /proc type proc (rw,relatime) \ sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime) < 1477282598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat earthers do less damage to their children. therefore they are my favorit < 1477282664 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's debatable < 1477282725 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -ld .hg < 1477282726 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 4 5000 5000 4096 Oct 23 21:01 .hg < 1477282732 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` touch .hg/abc < 1477282733 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `.hg/abc': Read-only file system < 1477282765 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477282814 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1477283001 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should [θ] and [ð] be called the "Voic(ed/less) INTERdental fricative" rather than the "Voic(ed/less) dental fricative"? < 1477283032 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! the next version of my font will have a complete DINGBATS block < 1477283060 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2700 0x27ff < 1477283060 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​✀✁✂✃✄✅✆✇✈✉✊✋✌✍✎✏ \ ✐✑✒✓✔✕✖✗✘✙✚✛✜✝✞✟ \ ✠✡✢✣✤✥✦✧✨✩✪✫✬✭✮✯ \ ✰✱✲✳✴✵✶✷✸✹✺✻✼✽✾✿ \ ❀❁❂❃❄❅❆❇❈❉❊❋❌❍❎❏ \ ❐❑❒❓❔❕❖❗❘❙❚❛❜❝❞❟ \ ❠❡❢❣❤❥❦❧❨❩❪❫❬ < 1477283137 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: correct, typically those symbols are used for the interdentals < 1477283238 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1477283296 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477283559 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The voiceless glottal fricative (IPA [h], english ) is often used to modify consonants into... whatever < 1477283584 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh, zh, th, dh < 1477283667 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think we should use capital letters for that < 1477283676 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Why? < 1477283683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: For stress? < 1477283685 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that if the leading symbol is the voiced version of another symbol that exists in this combination (e.g. z/s, d/t), you voice the combination (zh is voiced sh, dh is voiced th) < 1477283726 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase 'Du' is better than 'the < 1477283741 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some languages, however, have a voiced glottal fricative (IPA [ɦ], let's say that if we used it in english it'd also be [ɦ]) < 1477283753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Wait, what? < 1477283753 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused
< 1477283763 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :u is like in "but" < 1477283767 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: OK... < 1477283778 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'the' is 'Du' < 1477283815 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Are we saying that capital letters and miniuscule letters will be different? Like in X-SAMPA? < 1477283882 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. /ðʌ/ is "modified d, short u" so 'Du' < 1477283926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Oh, are you suggesting we use something similar to X-SAMPA for IRC? < 1477283958 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1477283968 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, ch is [tS], but we'll treat it as distinct and say the voiced version- gh- is [dZ] aka /j/) < 1477283981 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gh, henceforth, does not make [f], because that's stupid.) < 1477283986 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch is C < 1477284005 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had u Cat wiT yU < 1477284059 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, ch is tS < 1477284069 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gh would be more like the french r < 1477284086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Can we make [j] like in pretty much every other language? < 1477284087 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, you pronounce a french r by choking on snails < 1477284093 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: No, gh is [dZ] < 1477284141 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kh makes [x], qh (now, q:k::g:c) is [ɣ] which we write [G] apparently < 1477284158 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'da gone with [Y], but it was presumably taken) < 1477284172 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is a vowel < 1477284178 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Fine < 1477284194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But what about in "yU"? < 1477284217 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :y glide followed by 'long U' < 1477284220 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely off track < 1477284262 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But y is a vowel you said < 1477284295 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y is. y is a vowel glide < 1477284306 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1477284345 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have sh (aka S), zh (aka Z), th (aka T) with rare variant dh (aka D), ch (aka tS aka C), gh (aka dZ aka old english j), kh (aka K), and qh (aka Q) < 1477284362 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/speliG.htm heres my spelig reform proposal < 1477284377 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's restrict to sh, zh, th, dh, and ch temporarily < 1477284390 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I take it this would be a system not only for english < 1477284416 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/JRnSQFI.jpg this is so cool < 1477284438 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sounds are sɦ, tɦ, zɦ, dɦ, and cɦ? < 1477284447 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ɦ is its own letter now) < 1477284568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\oren\> you know, you pronounce a french r by choking on snails <-- actually, almost any mollusc will do hth < 1477284579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: If I want to write capital ɦ, what unicode do I use? < 1477284588 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɦ < 1477284589 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0266 LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH HOOK] < 1477284700 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`uniencode U+0286 < 1477284700 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: uniencode: not found < 1477284742 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʆ, apparently < 1477284743 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How that's an ezh I'm unclear < 1477284875 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, how DOES one initialize a name with a digraph? < 1477284924 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there a name for the process that gave us [s] -> [S], [t] -> [T], [z] -> [D], and [d] -> [D]? < 1477285033 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? subtle < 1477285034 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477285041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? segmentation < 1477285041 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477285056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? segmentation fault < 1477285057 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Segmentation Fault is just of the Silicon Valley and is known to produce various hiccups at the most inconvienent times. < 1477285059 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn subtle/The 'b' sound is pronounced in 'subtle', it's just difficult to hear < 1477285061 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'subtle': The 'b' sound is pronounced in 'subtle', it's just difficult to hear < 1477285082 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd subtle//s/$/.$/ < 1477285084 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/subtle//The 'b' sound is pronounced in 'subtle', it's just difficult to hear.$ < 1477285089 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...creap < 1477285093 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crap < 1477285109 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd subtle//s/\$// < 1477285111 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/subtle//The 'b' sound is pronounced in 'subtle', it's just difficult to hear. < 1477285174 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly not supertle < 1477285636 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, really, what is the rule that transforms _ into _h? < 1477285684 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: it all started with latin < 1477285732 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: o rly? < 1477285745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when romans imported greek words that had aspirated c (/k/), aspirated r, and aspirated p < 1477285754 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they spelled them with an h < 1477285786 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like phi, chi, rho, and theta < 1477285810 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these were originally pronounced with simple aspiration < 1477285824 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but over time the language changed < 1477285864 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now those sounds are not simply aspirated versions anymore < 1477285881 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I want to generalize the process though < 1477285888 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make an 'nh' sound to horrify people < 1477285911 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in latin that would probably have been a devoiced n < 1477285944 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in gaelic it would maybe be a alveolar appriximant? < 1477285984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want mg... < 1477286001 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages have pretty ad-hoc spellig systems < 1477286138 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Yes, and I want to make it uniform and non-ad-hoc, but in the opposite direction < 1477286158 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather than by changing the spelling, by changing the sounds) < 1477286198 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason for spelling to correspond to sound. < 1477286206 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different dialects pronounce words different ways. < 1477286218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe is the intradental nasal... < 1477286223 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/intra/inter/ < 1477286400 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right like your dialect pronounces 'ch' as /x/? < 1477286449 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dialect doesn't assign a single pronunciation to "ch". < 1477286455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nor does any other dialect I know how. < 1477286457 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong, because [x] should clearly be written < 1477286457 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :know of < 1477286467 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrath of Khan < 1477286533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the "ch" in my name is IPA χ, not x. < 1477286569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my dialect pronounces 'ch' as either /tſ/ or /k/ in all cases I know of < 1477286644 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "loch"? < 1477286709 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced identiacl to lock by most people < 1477286722 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as lotch < 1477286724 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1477286733 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bach"? < 1477286759 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even remotely an english word < 1477286783 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Your dialect is wrong hth < 1477286798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So is mine, to be fair, but I'm working on it, OK?) < 1477286806 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chutzpah"? < 1477286842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"machine"? < 1477286876 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chutzpah" <-- yeah, I defiantly don't consider THAT an english owrd < 1477286891 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1477286898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine is a good point though. < 1477286911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a different meaning in English than in Hebrew (and Yiddish, as far as I know). < 1477286950 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously most english speakers can't pronounce /x/ and approximate it with /k/ < 1477286951 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477286975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chanukah"? < 1477286980 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or h < 1477286990 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: itym hanukkah < 1477287005 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidn < 1477287014 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: iaw \oren\. ydm hanukkah < 1477287017 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanukkah < 1477287058 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The string "Chanukah" is right on that page. < 1477287066 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the hypothetical letter making [x] be called? < 1477287087 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bach for example I have heard many people pronounce as bak < 1477287093 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hippothetical < 1477287108 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ɛx], probably? < 1477287124 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(written ×, of course) < 1477287228 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Consonants <-- chart does not contain /x/ < 1477287245 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you some sort of prescriptivists? < 1477287290 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477287302 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s\b// < 1477287319 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it does. < 1477287333 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just pointing out it's a marginal sound only used by people familiar with it though knowledge of foriegn phonology < 1477287344 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's right to the left of h < 1477287414 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you really looking at the same chart? < 1477287484 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, you're just wrong < 1477287498 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, I was looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Consonants < 1477287511 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I got by searching for "consonants" on that page and clicking the link. < 1477287549 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://s16.postimg.org/h4i3117ut/phonemes.png < 1477287565 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's not prescriptivism to say someone is englishing wrong when they say "I have one dogs" < 1477287577 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is? < 1477287587 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, I'm pretty sure it's not < 1477287598 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The voiceless velar fricative /x/ is mainly used in Scottish and Hiberno-English; words with /x/ in Scottish accents tend to be pronounced with /k/ in other dialects. The velar fricative sometimes appears in recent loanwords such as chutzpah. Many speakers of White South African English realize /x/ as uvular [χ].[4] < 1477287608 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's at least not 1 sigma above the standard prescriptivism levels. < 1477287628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really, it's below) < 1477287738 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone speaks that way, it's not wrong. < 1477287792 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather: If someone speaks that way, it's prescriptivism to tell them that they're wrong. < 1477287794 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it is a low-status dialect < 1477287815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistakes.pdf < 1477288258 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: AAVE is different < 1477288281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediately realizes shachaf's dialect could be AAVE
< 1477288289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a little program to correctly identify whether to use 'a' or 'an', but it's hacky < 1477288333 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a string that is being randomly generated) < 1477288335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly it's different. < 1477288419 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 'a/n' (capitalized 'A/n') any time it's ambiguous. I have a master list of vowels, and I replace any occurrence of 'a/n' (or 'A/n') followed by a vowel or its upper case with an < 1477288532 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For words that start with a consonant orthographically but a vowel in theory, an additional pseudo-vowel ^ is used where 'a/n ^' (or 'A/n ^') becomes 'an ' (or 'An ') < 1477288586 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s%in theory%out loud, like 'hour'% < 1477288612 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for words that start with a vowel orthographically but not in speech (not sure if any exist though), the opposite ! is used which is the same but with 'a' or 'A' instead of 'an' or 'An' < 1477288613 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s#%#℅#g < 1477288686 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then any remaining ^s are stripped, any remaining !s, and all remaining 'a/n's become 'a' and 'A/n's 'A' < 1477288691 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clunky, but it works < 1477288918 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "use" hth < 1477288931 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, thank you < 1477289021 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nother < 1477289056 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole nother problem < 1477289473 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477289985 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ℅ < 1477289988 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2105 CARE OF \ UTF-8: e2 84 85 UTF-16BE: 2105 Decimal: ℅ \ ℅ \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ Decomposition: 0063 002F 006F < 1477290000 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1477290034 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: it's a really common typo on Android < 1477290050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's right next to % on the mobile keyboard < 1477290050 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really? can it be typed normally? < 1477290054 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol < 1477290061 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never seen that symbol
< 1477290068 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they look really similar so inattentive people frequently pick the wrong one < 1477290078 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why Android placed in on their default keyboard, but they did… < 1477290084 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1477290092 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was aware of it beforehand < 1477290111 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used in addresses, when you send a piece of (physical) mail to one person, but it's intended for another person < 1477290112 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is used for postal routing, TIL < 1477290142 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you're sending mail to someone who's on holiday, you can send mail to the guest ℅ the host, followed by the host's address < 1477290144 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly speaking I never seen like that, I think I've seen (for example) ⅊ several times < 1477290155 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's quite similar to a bang path from very early email < 1477290162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"send the mail to this person, who will deliver it to that person" < 1477290169 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I reminded of < 1477290200 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've received mail routed like that in the past, but I can't remember why < 1477290257 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite why this would be useful on a mobile phone, I don't know, given that smartphones were invented well after postal mail mostly died out < 1477290277 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in my country I have never seen such a thing probably because the recipient is probably not considered for the routing < 1477290310 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the address is significant to mail carriers < 1477290330 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name of the recipient is normally only relevant over here for resolving typos < 1477290356 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone typos the house number then you can sometimes figure out where to deliver the letter from the recipient's name < 1477290367 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in rural areas where everyone knows who lives where < 1477290380 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good point < 1477290404 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen this sort of thing happen in practice more than once < 1477290433 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modern) Korean addresses are relatively better standardized so such thing might not have been required < 1477290472 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK we have, or should have, two unique identifiers on each address: {house number, postcode} and {house number, address} < 1477290505 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no postcode required? < 1477290507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time when you tell someone your address in person at a store or the like, they use one to input the value and the other as verification < 1477290530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the postcode isn't technically required but the post office will yell at you for not using it < 1477290536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have little rubber stamps that say "please use the postcode" < 1477290538 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they deliver it anyway though < 1477290546 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's generous :p < 1477290674 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US doesn't have said rubber stamps at all, but they will deliver without a ZIP code. < 1477290701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your zip codes are way more ambiguous than our postcodes, though < 1477290708 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one postcode narrows things down to around ten houses < 1477290726 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the ZIP code typically narrows down to a post office. < 1477290728 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things are typically arranged so that they all have different numbers (typically they're all adjacent on the same road) < 1477290756 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for a ZIP+4, which is substantially more specific. < 1477290763 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, a postcode is {one or two letters}, {small integer}, digit, letter, letter < 1477290786 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's generally only businesses with an automated system in place that will use a ZIP+4. < 1477290794 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty well-designed format because it can't run out (the "small integer"s value is "as small as necessary" but it can get quite large when the numbers would otherwise run out) < 1477290836 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A ZIP+4 will refine down to a city block, apartment complex, or an individual high-volume receiver of mail) < 1477290859 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the small integer in question is also placed on the street name road signs that exist on pretty much every street corner < 1477290874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to help you figure out where you are if you're lost and on a road with a commonly used name (e.g. "Church Road") < 1477290896 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assumption is that you know which town or city you're in, but not necessarily where you are within that town or city < 1477290912 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. *Part* of why nobody cares that much at the post office is we've got automated machines that read in an address and spray on the matching ZIP+4 and delivery point as a barcode. < 1477290913 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "postcode areas" in question are shown on maps < 1477290942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's all mostly obsolete in the days of GPS, though < 1477291016 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the USPS has this weird thing that they will deliver mail anywhere where they can figure out WTF you *meant*. Weird pride thing, I think. < 1477291032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Royal Mail is like that too < 1477291070 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got pretty good odds of getting mail routed properly just by scrawling "Google" on an envelope and mailing it. < 1477291094 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, it'll probably take longer. < 1477291138 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the market forces on mail over here are also somewhat weird < 1477291138 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read they mailed various stuff to Robert Ripley even though strange addressing, but then eventually posted a notice saying they would no longer deliver it if it was addressed incorrectly. < 1477291150 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result of email outcompeting it < 1477291168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used to have two standards of mail delivery, first class which was next-day if posted before a certain time < 1477291178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and second-class which was a bit slower, typically a few days < 1477291192 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, second class was originally much cheaper, so people used it for most things < 1477291211 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays second class is not only substantially slower than it used to be, but also it's only marginally cheaper than first class < 1477291228 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it's basically only ever used for junk mail < 1477291269 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-class mail here is any postcard, letter, large envelope, or package 13 oz or smaller. < 1477291295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you don't even really have the option of using second class for your letter. < 1477291341 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION . o O ( Are there any languages where [m] and [n] are allophones )
< 1477291367 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Course, first-class mail here also doesn't have an attempt to be next-day. < 1477291390 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could say that anything defined within [ and ] is always an anonymous, recursive function that's always evaluated when encountered.. < 1477291404 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a fancy way of saying a while loop. < 1477291405 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the UK still has the next-day thing going but has relaxed the timings within the day < 1477291416 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Japanese? < 1477291418 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you have to post early morning and it might arrive late afternoon the day after < 1477291460 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: first-class mail is mail that you can send within another letter or embed it into text < 1477291464 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1477291479 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it's not necessarily a while loop; it's more of a forever loop, but I don't see any reason it necessarily even has to be tail-recursive < 1477291479 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understandbly: first-class mail is required by law to be the same cost for *any address served by the USPS*, so for them to make that would imply a fairly expensive bit of postage. < 1477291486 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a ({})%-1 < 1477291508 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in my language, [ and ] is just while(1){} < 1477291520 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because the US is so large and there's no restriction on which states you can send it to? < 1477291525 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bingo. < 1477291535 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'm taking the definition of "anonymous recursive function that's always evaluated when encountered" < 1477291549 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you did it within, say, a 100 mile radius it'd probably be pretty reasonable. < 1477291550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting the timing restrictions in the UK used to be fairly hard < 1477291558 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had dedicated overnight train services for the longer-distance mail < 1477291567 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within your state would only be reasonable for some states. < 1477291595 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's why the timing restrictions were relaxed, come to think of it < 1477291609 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less the only way to hit such a timing restriction for some states would be airmail. < 1477291667 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm wondering how fast those pneumatic tubes that some stores use to transfer cash around can go < 1477291738 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably appreciate the (no longer operating) New York pneumatic tube mail system. < 1477291761 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Mail there went up to 35 mph. < 1477291937 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately that doesn't scale to long distances. < 1477291943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google alameda-weehawken burrito tunnel < 1477291945 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda_weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm < 1477291945 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: The Alameda-Weehawken Burrito Tunnel (Idle Words) < 1477291980 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… perhaps using the hyperloop for cargo would turn out to be more useful than using it for transporting humans < 1477291983 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less danger if it goes wrong, for one thing < 1477292061 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1477292097 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477292171 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: m and n are allophones in romaji japanese < 1477292232 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Only in some locations. < 1477292264 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can represent ん as n in ほんと or m in せんぱい < 1477292271 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"na" and "ma" are different sounds, but the n/m in "senpai" or "sempai" are the same phoneme. < 1477292273 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, the USPS has this weird thing that they will deliver mail anywhere where they can figure out WTF you *meant*. Weird pride thing, I think. ← Reminds me of http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37233913 < 1477292346 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that seems like a pretty precise way to describe a location < 1477292351 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, in modified Hepburn they are never allophones. < 1477292398 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but few people actually write formally correct romaji in a single system) < 1477292425 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, though very nonstandard < 1477292503 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The picture has prompted readers to share other miraculous postal stories; such as the tale of the Christmas card sent from Germany, which somehow arrived at the right place despite only being addressed to "England".' hmm < 1477292515 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an impressive feat < 1477292596 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://text-mode.tumblr.com/post/31409503070/russian-postmen-fix-an-error-caused-by-an is a canonical example of such a feat < 1477292626 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1477292703 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty impressive to be honest < 1477292791 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they have to look at the message inside the envelope to figure it out? < 1477292869 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the mojibake one? Doubtful. TBH pretty much any Russian Internet user would be familiar with that sort of mojibake. < 1477292880 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: that doesn't seem that difficult, all you need to know is the existence of mojibake < 1477292892 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for only being addressed to "England" < 1477292917 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same as ordinary language except that all the letters have different shapes < 1477292919 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps need some work to map it, but mojibake was pretty serious in Russia. < 1477292925 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The German post office should know to forward it to the English post office, but then the English post office has to figure it out) < 1477292929 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think so, since one also needs to guess the encoding < 1477292931 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still just a 1-to-1 translation, and one that can readily be looked up < 1477292941 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of there being several mutually incompatible encodings for Russian. < 1477292945 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: well yes, but there's a small finite number of possibilities there < 1477292964 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in Canada. I once posted a piece of black string (with no writing or pictures or whatever) to see if it would get delivered correctly (somehow I thought that it would); it did not get delivered. < 1477292964 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might well be possible that the post office reached for external help < 1477292966 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they can easily be figured out because the wrong encodings will be gibberish. < 1477293015 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mojibake should be easy enough to figure out yes. That is different from writing only "England" or writing no address at all. < 1477293027 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you decipher those black strings? < 1477293045 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The one directed to "England" almost certainly needed opening. < 1477293054 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you have someone in mind as the intended recipient? < 1477293065 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes; myself < 1477293078 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would anticipate the UK is much like the US in that the post office is legally allowed to open a letter if it's necessary to correctly deliver it. < 1477293084 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that was when I was young and somehow thought of strange things like that) < 1477293094 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in this case they probably guessed fast that the first word was "Россия" < 1477293128 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That'd help. < 1477293156 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I tried to decode the icelandic map < 1477293168 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely based on satellite images and the landmarks shown on the map, you can narrow it down to about three farms < 1477293178 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of them appears to farm crops rather than sheep < 1477293185 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-24-163.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the postman probably knew who was being talked about. < 1477293195 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1477293307 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I worked in the post office in England and received the letter addressed only to "England", I would assume that it was addressed to the post office and open it anyways, and then can see if it is clearly for someone else then it can be forwarded. < 1477293347 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if I worked in a post office somewhere else, I would have simply forwarded it to England without opening it.) < 1477293426 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the letter addressed just "England": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-35174646 < 1477293447 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was unopened, but believed that it had a more complete address at one point, which fell off en route < 1477293456 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that point it was already in the correct city < 1477293510 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at that point it boils own to knowing who receives occasional mail from germany, I guess < 1477293567 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as 3peg? < 1477293573 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they outright said that's how they solved it, by asking everyone in the area if they were expecting mail from germany < 1477293579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jpeg for voxelular imagery) < 1477293605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: h.264 (mp4) < 1477293618 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might not be the three dimensions you were expecting but it still works < 1477293679 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is it like layering? < 1477293679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1477293778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's the vector equivalent of voxelling? < 1477294002 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rasterizing? < 1477294203 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas about making up Magic: the Gathering cards see if you like or what comment of it please. One idea is if a card has "At the beginning of each combat damage step, you gain life equal to the amount of damage marked on ~." < 1477294254 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it should be a card with first strike also, or with another ability that can temporarily grant itself first strike) < 1477294334 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since then you can earn life points more than once) < 1477294366 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, perhaps don't add first strike (rely on other cards having it), but maybe to put banding < 1477294402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it should have an ability like "1W: target creature gains first strike until end of turn" < 1477294404 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, not first strike, maybe last strike!) < 1477294426 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, OK that can help better < 1477294442 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can create extra combat damage steps by giving it to another creature you control (while also helping in combat), or give a blocker first strike to get damage marked on it < 1477294443 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like your idea better < 1477294456 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did realize that when you said < 1477294832 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea to make a card: At the beginning of your draw step, put a charge counter on ~. ;; At the beginning of each opponent's draw step, that opponent exiles his hand and then puts the bottom X cards of his library into his hand, where X is twice the number of charge counters on ~. < 1477294989 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort of like a cross between midnight oil (in reverse) and forced fruition < 1477294994 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think of those cards? < 1477295070 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Midnight Oil < 1477295071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1477295076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Forced Fruition < 1477295077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forced Fruition \ 4UU \ Enchantment \ Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards. \ LRW-R < 1477295082 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this thing doesn't have Kaladesh yet < 1477295102 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should add Kaladesh < 1477295144 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I looked on Gatherer so that I can see its working. < 1477295295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forced Fruition certainly look to be very powerful (although you should probably play some counterspells too); can be even better if combined with Underworld Dreams. < 1477295357 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midnight Oil looks like it can be risky to use, but it may be good in the right circumstances. < 1477295402 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Underworld Dreams < 1477295403 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underworld Dreams \ BBB \ Enchantment \ Whenever an opponent draws a card, Underworld Dreams deals 1 damage to him or her. \ LE-U, 8ED-R, 9ED-R, 10E-R, M10-R < 1477295425 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that'd work well with Forced Fruition if the opponents were on low life < 1477295439 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :above that, though, you'd probably want to win via making them draw from an empty library < 1477295504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is generally how you should win by Forced Fruition, but if you are playing black as well as blue then you might want to have both just in case < 1477295739 0 :Cale!~cale@CPEc8d3a35c2cdd-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1477295790 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477295835 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477297255 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1477297379 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1477298619 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477298633 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:d9f5:e504:2744:86e9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477298735 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:d9f5:e504:2744:86e9 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1477298766 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477298920 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1477299622 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1477299669 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently people have picked up on the fact that my company outfits truck exhaust with apiocides. < 1477299684 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're starting to get upset about the bees dying. < 1477299872 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477299984 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477300315 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477300363 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No new xkcd < 1477300369 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting worried < 1477300446 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :randall is dead! < 1477300449 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogawd! < 1477300958 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51a4bf3b.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477301057 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh xkcd hasn't updated. < 1477301251 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Worrying, right? < 1477301273 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm constantly refreshing the news to wait for reports of his death to stream in < 1477301402 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], it sometimes updates quite late < 1477303091 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nite < 1477303092 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477303294 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages (I don't think I have any, but why not try) < 1477303295 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1477303630 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` dowg oerjan | grep -i nite < 1477303632 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1477303639 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1477303640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your venerated itymologist 9gracious octoberlord oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Pre-recombination Glaswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1477303704 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :octoberlord? < 1477303931 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s#st#st knite# < 1477303932 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/oerjan//Your venerated itymologist knite 9gracious octoberlord oerjan is a lazy expert in suture complication. Also a Pre-recombination Glaswegian who passionfruitly dislikes Roald Dahl. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. < 1477303944 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, oerjan is Lord of October. < 1477304146 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tanebventions < 1477304147 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tanebventions: not found < 1477304152 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1477304153 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1477304189 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? _46bit < 1477304191 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :_46bit is a slightly-uptight public-schooled Brit. Taneb invented him. < 1477304203 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? go < 1477304204 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go is a common irregular verbal game programming language invented by the Germanic Taneb tribes catching monsters in the strategic territories of East Asia. < 1477304228 0 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-126-39.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, possibly the best Tanebventor < 1477304240 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fueue < 1477304241 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fueue? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477304376 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sand < 1477304376 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sand is what microprocessors are made of. Taneb invented it. < 1477304550 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Did you ever play Shade? < 1477304551 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eblong.com/zarf/zweb/shade/ < 1477304557 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :short game < 1477304567 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I have not < 1477304656 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477304936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the standard model... there are 6 types of lepton, 6 types of quark, and 5 bosons < 1477304944 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 6 bosons? Why not consistency? < 1477305397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_particles#Bosons lists six, with one unconfirmed < 1477305628 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh. That explains it. < 1477305927 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.97.181 QUIT :Quit: Bed Time < 1477306420 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477306603 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477306661 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477306689 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:d9f5:e504:2744:86e9 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477306978 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:d9f5:e504:2744:86e9 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1477307085 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477308608 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yphvcnnvztwoiyvp PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? lynn < 1477308609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477308615 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477308624 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yphvcnnvztwoiyvp PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect IMO. < 1477308708 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477308751 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477308828 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477309611 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1477309814 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1477309815 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :manometer//A manometer is a device for testing real men by putting them under pressure. < 1477310284 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.76.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477310331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1477311701 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1477312216 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: COLLOIDAL CHICKEN < 1477313427 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477313805 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477314027 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1477314900 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477316028 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477316636 0 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1477316720 0 :iaglium!~i@45.63.76.107 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316721 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316722 0 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316726 0 :paul2520_!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316726 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316727 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316731 0 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1477316939 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477316984 0 :erdic_!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1477317050 0 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1477317116 0 :paul2520_!~paul2520@paulkaefer.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1477317420 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477317439 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1477317817 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1477317962 0 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477320044 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an unsorted vector, you can pretend it's a linked list < 1477320071 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remove an element in the middle, move the last element to the middle position < 1477320079 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then vect.pop_back() < 1477320169 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i realize that you're all very smart but this was a nice trick imo <.< < 1477320344 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477320347 0 :ybden!?@? NICK :ybdett < 1477320508 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477320530 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477322791 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477322811 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1477323061 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Client Quit < 1477323075 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1477324703 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1477324725 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477325265 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove, that is a nice trick! < 1477325556 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x267A 0x267E < 1477325562 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​♺♻♼♽♾ < 1477325881 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1056 < 1477325882 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1056: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1477325884 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x26B9 0x26bf < 1477325885 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⚹⚺⚻⚼⚽⚾⚿ < 1477325941 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2745 0x274c < 1477325942 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❅❆❇❈❉❊❋❌ < 1477325971 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange < 1477325994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x293e 0x293f < 1477325996 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​⤾⤿ < 1477326037 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x2741 0x2743 < 1477326038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​❁❂❃ < 1477326046 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what's strange? < 1477326052 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a rumour that the colon builtin in the bash-like shells was added in ancient times back when there were no shebang lines, to distinguish sh scripts from csh scripts, so that when csh saw it in the first line of a shell script, it invoked sh or something < 1477326070 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe backwards, sh invoked csh if it saw that < 1477326115 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I did a web search, and http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/31673 indicates that its history is that it was used to mark labels, when the shell had a goto statement (currently only tcsh has that, bash doesn't) < 1477326133 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`u8tbl 0x27ad 0x27bf < 1477326133 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​➭➮➯ \ ➰➱➲➳➴➵➶➷➸➹➺➻➼➽➾➿ < 1477326200 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the dos cmd and the windows shell also uses a leading colon to make a label you can goto in a batch file) < 1477326400 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should spread the rumour that the colon is for compatibility with the windows shell, so that you can write comments that work in both, since # is an ordinary character for the windows shell and ' doesn't work as a comment char in the unix shell < 1477326511 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♺♻♼♽♾⚹⚺⚻⚼⚽⚾⚿❅❆❇❈❉❊❋❌❁❂❃➭➮➯➰➱➲➳➴➵➶➷➸➹➺➻➼➽➾➿⚰⚱ aww that's not that many characters... < 1477326539 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now I have all the dingbats < 1477326639 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was especially hard to draw like ten distinguishable asterisks and snowflakes < 1477326641 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you have mail envelope and telephone dingbats too? < 1477326647 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1477326679 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, this ✆ is probably the telephone one < 1477326688 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1477327009 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fd4d:ce9b:1845:7dc0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477327035 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ✉ is the envelope < 1477327143 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1477327162 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were easy to draw < 1477327260 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had to spend quite some time experimenting to figure out how to draw all those damn snowflakes and asterisks different < 1477327448 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes the unicode consortium are meanies < 1477327621 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477327697 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477328297 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: the snowflakes don't come from the unicode consortium, I think. it comes from those two and a half 256-character dingbat fonts from windows 16 before unicode, and now they had to encode all the characters in those so documents using them can be upgraded. < 1477328367 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcpafyzbstekvtgy PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goshdarn dingbats < 1477328382 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, not really 256 character, I think they only have like 224 characters each or something, but they're fonts back when you just chose a different font when you wanted a different single-byte encoding. < 1477328515 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, wallonia is still holding out < 1477328573 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the beginning of the end for globalbism < 1477328635 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker has also urged the 28 member states to “fight against stupid populists.” < 1477328946 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid QUIT :Quit: Iovoid has quit! < 1477328992 0 :iovoid!iovoid@unaffiliated/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1477329026 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrystia freeland is the MP for my riding, but I didn't vote for her < 1477329147 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted for Jennifer Hollett, because Chrystia didn't seem to care about local issues < 1477329358 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted someone who would make the trains run on time < 1477329475 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477329500 0 :otherbot!~yaybot@unaffiliated/jeffl35/bot/jeffbot JOIN :#esoteric < 1477329607 0 :Froox!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Quit: *bubbles away* < 1477329626 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477330324 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-12-108.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1477330483 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1477330546 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477331553 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@193.190.253.145 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1477331601 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1477331715 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1477332005 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CznBOoj.jpg < 1477332011 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vlad the Inhaler < 1477332039 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1477332443 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hnURox5G28 < 1477332504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477332674 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if peЯoco is supposed to be ペロコ or ペヤオコ < 1477332848 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1477332855 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477333348 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? day < 1477333349 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :day? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1477333747 0 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01:e35:2eed:a430:fd4d:ce9b:1845:7dc0 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1477333928 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477334255 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8ntkf9gnitwcq.ip6.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1477334396 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1477334718 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1477335030 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking, even a rather small 64x64 image tells over 3000 words. < 1477335115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477335488 0 :deltab_!?@? NICK :deltab < 1477336499 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good < 1477336502 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randall isn't dead < 1477336816 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@36.75.164.72 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1477336954 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman JOIN :#esoteric < 1477337348 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unicode ə < 1477337350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+0259 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA \ UTF-8: c9 99 UTF-16BE: 0259 Decimal: ə \ ə (Ə) \ Uppercase: U+018F \ Category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase) \ Bidi: L (Left-to-Right) < 1477337461 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_alphabet < 1477338292 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 【＝◈︿◈＝】 < 1477338293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+3010 LEFT BLACK LENTICULAR BRACKET] [U+FF1D FULLWIDTH EQUALS SIGN] [U+25C8 WHITE DIAMOND CONTAINING BLACK SMALL DIAMOND] [U+FE3F PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL LEFT ANGLE BRACKET] [U+25C8 WHITE DIAMOND CONTAINING BLACK SMALL DIAMOND] [U+FF1D FULLWIDTH EQUALS SIGN] [U+3011 RIGHT BLACK LENTICULAR BRACKET] < 1477338553 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477338687 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1477338687 0 :ybdett!?@? NICK :ybden < 1477339128 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Jesse's Girl (1) had brown eyes and (2) has a daughter named Stacy from a previous marriage < 1477339424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-87.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1477339680 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1477339963 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477340874 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477340891 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477340955 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477341549 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1477341638 0 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1477342729 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1477342819 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477342990 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477343801 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1477344225 0 :MoALTz!~no@77-254-12-108.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1477346015 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what tools can parse grammars that require infinite lookahead? < 1477346183 0 :godel!~gonzalo@190.195.110.167 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1477346185 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1477346324 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:98e0:54c:70b5:d8f:40c4:3c5d JOIN :#esoteric < 1477346385 0 :fizzie`!?@? NICK :fizzie < 1477346464 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1477347759 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477348250 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman JOIN :#esoteric < 1477348627 0 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1477349179 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg8ntkf9gnitwcq.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1477350428 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1477350614 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477350626 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1477350633 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1477350635 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9//9 is a free smalltalk. < 1477351378 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's handy: my mobile operator's "account balance" page has switched units from megabytes to gigabytes. < 1477351385 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they also don't do fractions. < 1477351492 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's been showing "1" for the last 9 days, and I have no idea how much of the gigabyte is left. < 1477351544 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzle: call them that there after you are only going to pay in kilopounds and only when the bill reaches that. < 1477351569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pre-paid thing, so I don't think I can use that trick. < 1477351618 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still hoping they'll switch units once the remaining allowance goes under one full gigabyte. Extrapolating from historical trends, that should've already happened, but it's not entirely impossible it hasn't. < 1477351642 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But quite possibly they're just rounding to nearest and it'll flip from "1" to "0" at half a gigabyte. < 1477351656 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought telecoms only used bits as the units of data. < 1477351680 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits are for speed, bytes are for volume. < 1477351692 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits per seconds are for speed < 1477351702 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :just bits are for volume. < 1477351708 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just bits aren't for anything. < 1477351741 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand we have a sign phrase for a protestor < 1477351742 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not exactly. Just bits are for bragging on your phone spec sheet. (64 instead of 32.) < 1477351798 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I am off to bed < 1477351814 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is unseen for the seen.
< 1477351851 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1477352145 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1477352326 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vGjmZNbKGE < 1477352434 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izellove. that is some sweet animation. < 1477352593 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome boily < 1477352614 0 :wanderman!~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1477352875 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1477352915 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1477353214 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go clog my arteries with fat, grease, and greasy fat... < 1477353222 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Congratulations. < 1477353228 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: POUTIIIIIIIIINE! < 1477353233 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.245.222.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: FRIEND CHICKEN < 1477353370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[generic question] If/when humans branch out to other planets (when it's been done for a while and we have the space infrastructure; not at the very beginning) how do you think we're likely to go about organizing? Will nations be united under a world super-nation (like the EU, but planet-wide), will nations tend to control entire planets, or will it just be a horrible mess of nation-splitting where countries are often split between < 1477353370 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple planets, each of which tends to host multiple parts of countries? < 1477353481 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to just be colonialism IN SPACE hth hand < 1477353595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hand < 1477353596 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.