< 1475539466 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475539860 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475540116 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1475540127 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ada Lovelace was the (legitimate) offspring of Lord Byron < 1475540133 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Epitaph to a Dog guy. < 1475540135 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1475540973 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475540984 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475540985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :caps lock//CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR TIRED OLD MEMES < 1475541447 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475541471 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is CAO down? < 1475541472 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: a. i don't think i answer those, ihope. i yield to you. < 1475541478 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475541479 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: damn. < 1475541479 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i just don't like how... weird... and doesn't make a difference yes? says who??? fnord ( car list) < 1475541493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well, I like that server. that's the closest one. < 1475541493 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i dont think i have now spend more time typing than thinking, i'm doing work"? i'm impressed if you think about this in the mzscheme compiler manual < 1475541537 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, I think in French. messemble que depuis le temps c't'assez évident... < 1475541537 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: laml is neat, kipple, axo,...? yeah, i think. < 1475541554 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, a kipple is not French hth < 1475541596 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1475541603 0 :MDead!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1475541627 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475541672 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“It's not just you! http://crawl.akrasiac.org looks down from here.” thanks downforeveryoneorjustme.com! < 1475541701 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is "chicken" several of "chicke"? < 1475541746 0 :super_bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48b0:c3d0:dae8:50d1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475541757 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1475541810 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1]. no, it undergoes vowel-mutation. singular is checkan. < 1475541812 0 :super_bender!~bender@2404:e800:e61a:41d:48b0:c3d0:dae8:50d1 QUIT :Client Quit < 1475541818 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan! do you mutate? < 1475541826 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Ah, but what's the dual? < 1475541836 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chickenayim. < 1475541839 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily! constantly! < 1475541846 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slowly, though. < 1475541856 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( there seems to be a pun in there, but where... ) < 1475541874 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is QUIT :Quit: Zarutian < 1475541876 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( We need an enhanced plural schema for english with distinct rules for infinite cardinals ) < 1475541895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't conscious, but _maybe_ you could say "constant" is the opposite of "mutating". < 1475541941 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English also needs indefinite form- not singular or plural or dual; no grammatical number at all < 1475541984 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, if the schema is +ae, the indefinite of dog would be dogae, which means 1 (or should it be 0?) or more dog(s) < 1475542041 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified english is the brainfuck derivative of conlangs hth < 1475542280 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's less easy to implement < 1475542325 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, surprisingly many BF derivatives have non-nesting [] because the author couldn't figure out how to implement them < 1475542346 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in at least one case, this is for a good reason as the derivative was created to prove another language TC; it was replaced by a conditional goto) < 1475542445 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language is the most surprisingly TC? < 1475542463 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well yeah... < 1475542487 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: /// maybe? < 1475542508 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh my god #esoteric is discussing esolangs... weird...) < 1475542530 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Even better, which language is the most surprisingly ¬TC < 1475542633 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though, I wasn't going for a conlang modifying english; more for making people use it under pain of glaring so it's just part of english < 1475542998 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to create a company for which the name violates English order of adjectives... < 1475543025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ssages? < 1475543025 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1475543032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ >:) < 1475543042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating :-P < 1475543096 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messes? < 1475543096 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1475543112 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:08 @messes-loud < 1475543130 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages- < 1475543130 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1475543139 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FAIL < 1475543162 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume we're golfing) < 1475543179 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golfing what? < 1475543186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot commands < 1475543186 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That question made no sense. < 1475543197 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was obvious what you were golfing. < 1475543222 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why I wrote it. < 1475543226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point was I wasn't golfing. < 1475543246 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:53:17 @messageese-loud < 1475543276 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-lousy < 1475543276 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1475543529 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs his dose of crawl, fungot it! < 1475543676 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love ///. < 1475543740 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1475543740 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: four files: fnord, which might be very sensitive to medications). < 1475543770 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: has boily been overusing you < 1475543770 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: scheme48 has immutable objects in general. i'm spending a lot of work < 1475543829 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @messages- < 1475543829 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: user error (Unknown command: "messages-") < 1475543834 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot < 1475543834 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: would you /please/ stop playing with me... i am not sure whether they're _required_ to have constant time.... < 1475543843 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAH AH AH AH AH AH AH :D < 1475543862 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely overused. < 1475544032 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say. < 1475544053 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all know about MegaHAL. It's that one chatterbot you can download and play with, that was created in 1998. < 1475544089 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a more modern chatterbot that you can also download and train and run locally? < 1475544120 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot hth < 1475544120 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: someone drank all the milk again, have you got any nice stuff :) forthers would say that the branches are mutually exclusive sounds more restrictive than doing the 32-bit math in the first < 1475544146 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i have coke zero < 1475544147 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm sure you can try ideologies, but be extremely rigid on the ones where you press combinations of keys are mutually exclusive in style. < 1475544195 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I make a mean Hong Kong style milk tea, if you want to stay awake for the next 12 hours. < 1475544195 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's so straight-forward i'm not even in that movie a dozen times. always the same. i think his solution is quite workable for individual use or in other words < 1475544289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back, fungot < 1475544289 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: or maybe ,trace fnord/ fnord/ images/ fnord < 1475544302 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw i made `hurl hth < 1475544311 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hurl < 1475544312 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475544339 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hurl < 1475544340 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print "http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/" \ else: \ f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \ f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \ if re.match(r"/|(?:\.hg|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \ sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \ < 1475544344 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurl hurl hur < 1475544361 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`doag bin/hurl < 1475544364 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016-10-02 ` cp bin/{,h}url; sed -i \'11s/file/log/\' bin/hurl < 1475544367 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the same as `url except for a single word < 1475544370 0 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@194.108.5.201 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475544397 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/hurl < 1475544397 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/bin/hurl < 1475544408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl bin/url < 1475544409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/log/tip/bin/url < 1475544453 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you invalidating all my dog work < 1475544503 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a pooch have the Buddha-nature? < 1475544505 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not necessarily. sometimes the log for a file is a bit too long to browse on irc, is all. < 1475544529 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the web browser seems to leave out obvious edits :( < 1475544533 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you invalidating all my dog work 04a08n09d all my spam work < 1475544556 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES BECAUSE I'M EVIL *MWAHAHAHA* < 1475544568 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes you can't win so better go for the carnage) < 1475544582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\texrb *\rainbow{MWAHAHAHA}* < 1475544585 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1475544587 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays with fungot < 1475544587 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: a very general answer; i'm looking for one that's simple to understand. < 1475544593 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's embarrassing < 1475544595 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*04M08W09A11H12A13H04A08H09A* < 1475544622 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays with fungot some more < 1475544622 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: probably someone's done one already < 1475544629 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: done one what? < 1475544629 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: " reiserfs the file system to die for! and especially to evaluate in your head, everywhere you need to duplicate the lines then. sorry, once again we return to a non-extended one would wipe away the original text :) < 1475544644 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: it was indeed a file system to die for, for some < 1475544662 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you say some worrying things < 1475544662 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: oh, i'm just a coop stuck with the lamest parts of the pre-scheme source code for it < 1475544669 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I see. < 1475544690 0 :ybden!ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silence* < 1475544782 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybdellon. once you reach the fungothreshold, he won't answer to you. somebody else has to summon him between runs. < 1475544782 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that was fast. almost at fnord packing up. hrmph.), sieni_. would you refer to is all part of the set! < 1475544825 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I want to call it rowg. But that's ambiguous between dowg and howg <-- drwg hth < 1475544841 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But that doesn't sound like "rogue". < 1475544898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1475545178 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you a MegaHAL? < 1475545179 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: mmm sounds like it involves robotic breasts. college of engineering. < 1475545219 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bot is getting better and better every day < 1475545299 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1475545305 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1475545327 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475545344 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you improving? < 1475545345 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: 1 gregorr: bf8 isn't harmfull < 1475545366 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1475545387 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475545401 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Produce a mathematical generalization of the 12 days of christmas < 1475545488 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :a for loop...? < 1475545516 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: uhm... you want to have, robotic breasts? < 1475545516 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: then it rejects all functions that don't return, tco falls into place, though. do you plan to support paredit.el for xemacs as well? < 1475545643 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: No? < 1475545757 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :two nested for loops? < 1475545768 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475545855 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: I'm looking for a generalization < 1475546029 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1475546091 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: QUANDARY CHICKEN. < 1475546169 0 :carado!~carado@bea44-1-78-193-226-57.fbxo.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1475546241 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]! < 1475546249 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu! < 1475546286 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to hate LDAP < 1475546440 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDAP?? < 1475546490 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1475546618 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to organize the configuration of Servers, Flavors, Users, and Groups. < 1475546620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: What is LDAP < 1475546635 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you don't know what it is < 1475546638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :low density audio platform hth < 1475546654 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lightweight Directory Access Protocol" < 1475546679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :long and delicate pincers < 1475546777 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's LADP < 1475546788 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is < 1475546793 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you a windows person? < 1475546801 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a person? < 1475546804 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, unfortunately < 1475546810 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: THAT IS NOT YOUR DOMAIN TO KNOW < 1475546815 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :large distracted antwerp pooch < 1475546816 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: ahh, then you might recognize "Active Directory" < 1475546819 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs around in circles < 1475546874 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list detected active protocols < 1475546970 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to troll brits with numbers: Follow these rules: (1) If '0' is 'oh', then 1 is 'el', 5 is 'es'; say 'single oh' every time there's a zero (along with 'double oh'); express everything as its prime factorization < 1475546975 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :long distance argumentative parrot < 1475547005 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you familiar with Active Directory? < 1475547007 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a good post for your Twitter account. < 1475547009 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1475547020 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I got blocked because I look like a bot, remember < 1475547026 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: are you familiar with the concept of a "User" < 1475547034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: Yes. < 1475547040 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be great if C# supported generic generic parameters? < 1475547041 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I just google LDAP? < 1475547046 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: LDAP is a "User" Database < 1475547048 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so you continue the same behavior in IRC? < 1475547058 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think I get it < 1475547061 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...yes? < 1475547066 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends hppavilion[1] around in circles < 1475547069 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::, < 1475547074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:,( < 1475547083 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public abstract class Monad> { public abstract M Join(M> input); ... } < 1475547112 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're ...ing return because you can't type it? < 1475547154 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :public abstract M Return(T input); < 1475547168 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serious question: Is there an equivalent to the FLA for HCNs? < 1475547190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. "all numbers can be expressed as a quotient of HCNs") < 1475547207 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 QUIT :Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client < 1475547262 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up what that stuff is on Wikipedia. < 1475547263 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number < 1475547275 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By FLA, do you mean the Fundamental Theory of Arithmetic? < 1475547377 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( /kickban hppavilion[1] Obvious bot ) < 1475547390 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Theorem, but yes < 1475547440 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundamental Law of Arithmetic, surely < 1475547467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The theorem is this: The positive naturals are a free commutative monoid generated by the primes under multiplication. < 1475547471 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, my fallibility is showing. < 1475547504 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: damn it. I read as far as "the theorem is this" and decided to one-up you by giving *my* favorite statement of the theorem... < 1475547525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your statement, then? < 1475547543 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I realized that what you said *is* my favorite statement (more or less). < 1475547556 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1475547569 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's how I like to phrase it: < 1475547586 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The commutative monoid of the positive integers under multiplication is a free commutative monoid." < 1475547614 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing, really. < 1475547648 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have moved "under multiplication" nine words earlier. < 1475547741 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left out "generated by the primes" because you can just define the primes as being the generators. < 1475547768 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you can figure it out. < 1475547781 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point of the theorem is that it's what you get after you figure it out. < 1475547864 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, yes, FTA < 1475547886 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You can fix that by becoming pope < 1475547904 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I thought of offhand today: orders of composite numbers < 1475547912 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I'm unintentionally suggesting is that you could first prove the FTA, and then use the FTA to define the prime numbers. < 1475547920 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A first-order composite number is a prime number (...yeah, sorry) < 1475547940 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The positive integers under multiplication are a free commutative monoid. Define the prime numbers as the generators of this monoid." < 1475547943 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly, if you generate a free monoid from a countably infinite set, what you get is isomorphic to the positive naturals under multiplication. < 1475547945 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An nth-order composite number is an (n-1)th-order composite number times a first-order composite number < 1475547968 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you already know the positive naturals, and you already know the primes, then telling you that those primes in particular generate the positive naturals is pretty good. < 1475547973 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: so an nth-order composite number is a number with exactly n prime factors? < 1475547993 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is equivalent to saying that the composite order of a number is the cardinality of the bag of its prime factors) < 1475547996 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes < 1475547999 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. < 1475548073 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is there a prime factorial function? Or, more accurately, there is a prime factorial function, but does it have any use? < 1475548074 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x‽ = product({p : p ≤ x, p in |P}) < 1475548091 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called the primorial function. < 1475548106 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Really or in an #esoteric way? < 1475548114 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, yep < 1475548117 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primorial < 1475548127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sylvan Primordial < 1475548138 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In general for a positive integer n {\displaystyle n} n, a primorial n # {\displaystyle n\#} {\displaystyle n\#} can also be defined, namely as the product of those primes ≤ n {\displaystyle n} n:" < 1475548143 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologize for the wonky copy-paste. < 1475548183 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: hey, I have a random question for you. < 1475548194 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You may proceed < 1475548211 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: do you have any thoughts as to where you want to start your career? < 1475548220 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, software development, mathematics research, something else? < 1475548226 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That question has a rather big assumption, doesn't it? < 1475548233 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO idea < 1475548275 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that hppavilion[1] wants to have a career? < 1475548284 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what a career is. < 1475548330 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more potential for success in private sector dev, but I'm drawn to academics on... almost moral grounds < 1475548335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i not a career in the world < 1475548352 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your sense of morality has already been established to be very suspect. < 1475548363 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I kind of feel like I'm doomed to eventually go to grad school. < 1475548364 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Excellent < 1475548374 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iovoid 5* 10New user account < 1475548381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1475548384 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I want to be Dr. Naþan, so...) < 1475548392 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1475548424 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I think my industry experience is going to be really valuable if I ever want to do business-oriented research. < 1475548435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1475548454 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to design a business-oriented programming language if you have experience doing business-oriented programming.. < 1475548495 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently there are two conflicting definitions of primorial- one is what I said above, the other is the product of the first n primes. I'm already developing strong opinions on it.) < 1475548647 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475549027 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I know. The primorial function should be a function PrimeCut -> N, where PrimeCut is the collection of all downward closed sets of prime numbers. < 1475549478 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: whoa whoa whoa, norway doesn't even have a legal minimum wage < 1475549528 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does italy < 1475549587 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is OK a minimum wage should not be needed < 1475549599 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: see, your minimum wage is only a half-assed compensation for the fact you don't have properly powerful labor unions hth < 1475549623 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the government is the most powerful labor union of all hth < 1475549627 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not very good < 1475549631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :at labor unioning < 1475549707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't count as a labor union if the employers have more say than the laborers hth < 1475549778 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475550637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if british banks have the most say < 1475550643 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it count as a libor union < 1475550679 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think the us minimum wage should be raised < 1475550723 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my prejudices say yes. < 1475550735 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my actual knowledge is insufficient hth < 1475550749 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that I decided to do some amateur economics that's probably terrible in the wake of Brexit < 1475550785 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and concluded that in response to Brexit, the UK minimum wage should probably be increased, with a reduction in corporation tax to compensate < 1475550798 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I was surprised to see that many actual economists had come to the same conclusion < 1475550803 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think about the tipped employee minimum wage exception < 1475550824 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scowissimus hth < 1475550841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475550842 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's ridiculous, I don't like the idea of peoples' livelihoods depending on customs rather than actual rules < 1475550852 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it doesn't apply in california < 1475550863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, tipping at restaurants is rare apart from very high-end ones < 1475550879 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if someone takes your order while you're seated, then later physically delivers your food < 1475550883 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't directly depend on custom though < 1475550883 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tipping would be usual < 1475550885 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even where it does apply, the minimum wage is the lower bound, with the employer having to pay the difference if necessary < 1475550893 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1475550900 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, the US minimum wage is a joke < 1475550903 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still scow < 1475550917 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How did you come to that conclusion? < 1475550917 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you star a repo called silver-giggle? < 1475550920 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :on github < 1475550938 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't star a scow < 1475550953 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering how popular i'd be if i created repos with the names github suggested < 1475550975 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm headed to England for the weeked (... stupid, I know), is tipping like that only for high end restaurants, or just anywhere where there is sit-down service? < 1475550992 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw I have stopped tipping at restaurants that do not offer full sit-down service. I feel the need to draw the line) < 1475551012 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many places have started asking for tips because it's just a configuration option on the credit card machine < 1475551029 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: has to be fairly high-end < 1475551044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the usual tip is approximately 10% but it's common to round it so that the total price paid is a round number < 1475551050 0 :encodingcollecto!~encodingc@c-73-189-255-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475551055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be 9% or 11% depending on the exact price of the meal < 1475551078 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in the US the standard restaurant tip is ~20%. < 1475551136 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nobody would be annoyed if you didn't round it; it's just usual to do so) < 1475551171 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK minimum wage seems to be higher than the US's but lower than California's. Of course it's hard to compare these things. < 1475551183 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My impression of UK software engineer wages was that they're very low compared to the US, but I don't know whether that's true. < 1475551183 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49854&oldid=49847 5* 03Iovoid 5* (+222) 10 < 1475551191 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe comparing to silly valley is unfair. < 1475551232 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VoidLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49855 5* 03Iovoid 5* (+1151) 10Created page for VoidLang < 1475551240 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, partly because silicon valley wages are high due to living costs < 1475551255 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, try adjusting the wages for cost of living and, while still quite high, they are far more reasonable) < 1475551276 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: here, the standard tip is 15-20% depending who you ask < 1475551282 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but traditionally this is on the pre-tax price < 1475551294 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays the credit card machines do it for you, but they apply it to the total prie < 1475551301 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if wages scale linearly with cost of living, then it makes sense to live in the most expensive place you can find. < 1475551303 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot of people started tipping more without knowing it < 1475551354 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scow stipping < 1475551365 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tipping is dumb < 1475551369 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kill it < 1475551371 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlaw it < 1475551377 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is cow tipping < 1475551455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, if wages scale linearly with cost of living, then it makes sense to live in the most expensive place you can find. ← that might explain London :-P < 1475551485 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :London has a semi-serious issue in that housing there is in such high demand for people who work high-paying jobs in the captial < 1475551493 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is London more expensive than the san franciscow bay area? < 1475551524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all the people who work support jobs, people like shelf stackers and doctors and the like, can't afford to live there on their smaller salaries < 1475551572 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :london is probably less expensive than san fransisco < 1475551578 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's basically like a transport/housing black hole < 1475551592 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do UK doctors make much less money than US doctors? I think I might've heard someone say that once. < 1475551593 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a house anywhere where it's possible to commute to London to do a job is more expensive as a result < 1475551600 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the commute is ridiculous < 1475551610 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is typical London rent? < 1475551659 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :average price to buy for a flat is £494,329 < 1475551663 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder to figure out the renting value < 1475551672 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 494329 GBP in USD < 1475551673 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1475551678 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That used to work. < 1475551683 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco is the most expensive housing in the world IIRC < 1475551690 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF refuses to permit densification < 1475551695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty expensive, but it would be quite cheap in San Francisco. < 1475551708 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the prices are skyrocketing because the supply is limited by the arbitrary rules about how high you can build < 1475551765 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like most rental prices in London are in the £1000-2000 range < 1475551775 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :per month, that is < 1475551824 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and £12000 per year is a plausible salary for someone's first job after graduating university < 1475551851 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems like practically minimum wage. < 1475551859 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a 1-bedroom apartment in Berkeley, where I live, would be in that range. < 1475551863 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a huge proportion of the country goes to university < 1475551874 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably toward the mid-upper end of the range unless you get a cheap one? < 1475551910 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimum wage in the UK varies by age: for 21-24 year olds it's £6.95 < 1475551914 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :per hour < 1475551915 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anything support the "Accept-Features" HTTP header? < 1475551942 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 40 hours per week for 45 weeks, that's £12510 < 1475551942 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i Accept-Features: Accept-Features < 1475551966 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, no wonder early graduate employment is in a mess < 1475552036 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, apprentices only have to be paid £3.40 per hour in the first year of their apprenticeship, that seems very low < 1475552042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates for anyone who wants to look up the numbers < 1475552057 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's also 50 weeks on this continent < 1475552087 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was guessing at the amount of holiday allowance < 1475552104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the amount of time spent looking for jobs when one fixed-term job after another ends < 1475552116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only slightly bitter about that…) < 1475552121 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've applied for a couple of jobs but haven't heard back for weeks < 1475552131 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sorts of jobs? < 1475552162 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :academic jobs, one in teaching, one in research < 1475552172 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both fields where I have experience < 1475552249 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you not have public insurance for the in-between-jobs periods? < 1475552280 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: yes, but it comes with a huge number of restrictions < 1475552286 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the amount isn't that great < 1475552290 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping to avoid it < 1475552301 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but might be forced into it if the jobs take much longer < 1475552316 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of the requirements is that you have to spend much of your time applying for jobs, including ones that are a terrible fit) < 1475552340 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to stay in Birmingham? < 1475552342 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, I believe that's not the case here; you are not expected to switch fields < 1475552366 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you haven't heard back in weeks it's not unreasonable to follow up < 1475552389 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm really bad at travelling and living in unfamiliar places < 1475552391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't moved house /ever/ < 1475552412 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people have moved out, but I just stayed < 1475552432 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you also don't want to become good at it? < 1475552436 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I've been abroad for conferences and the like it's been terrible < 1475552445 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :why terrible? < 1475552450 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of routine? < 1475552451 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an odd thing. My family moved around probably every few years when I was young. < 1475552483 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: sometimes I have problems doing even basic tasks in unfamiliar environments < 1475552498 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost starved to death while in France because I have food intolerances and most of the food would have triggered one or another < 1475552505 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ouch :( < 1475552507 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, that's an exaggeration < 1475552515 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had enough food to live off but it was a very repetitive diet < 1475552517 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough food allergies that I understand what you mean < 1475552524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically lived off BLT sandwiches and crisps < 1475552546 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't remember whether crisps are "chips" or "crackers". < 1475552549 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're "chips". < 1475552555 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1475552558 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"potato chips" in US English, yes < 1475552582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :poochtato < 1475552584 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that it is something that takes getting used to < 1475552658 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing is that Birmingham is almost exactly the right size for me < 1475552669 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a handy feature < 1475552671 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a good variety of places within walking distance, for example < 1475552673 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish KW were slightly larger < 1475552678 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately < 1475552684 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more people in the same area < 1475552698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kitchener-Waterloo? < 1475552720 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-73-75-233.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1475552748 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco is so small. < 1475552760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even the biggest city by population in the San Francisco Bay area. < 1475552810 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:bdc1:6279:7a41:aaf7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I never really had that thought when I was there :) < 1475552825 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:bdc1:6279:7a41:aaf7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you're talking about Kitchener-Waterloo) < 1475552897 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitchen 'er water loo? i 'ardly know 'er! < 1475552960 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should visit Toronto. < 1475552963 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's a good place. < 1475553069 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :five hours till 10 AM in berlin < 1475553089 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikileaks approaching tick tock < 1475553095 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kitchener used to be called Berlin < 1475553114 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until 1916 < 1475553174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Black14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49856&oldid=49117 5* 03Ais523 5* (+156) 10/* C */ mirror of Blak < 1475553183 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, kitchener-waterloo < 1475553196 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: that KW could be denser? < 1475553201 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Have you considered some sort of software type of job? I hear they're good. < 1475553217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure I actually hear that. I mostly hear people complaining about them.) < 1475553243 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: considered it, yes < 1475553253 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the current jobs fall through then that's my fallback < 1475553439 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I worked in the same building as Don Woods once. < 1475553446 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suspect his job was not related to INTERCAL. < 1475553452 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess the next term 3 7 13 31 61 127 251 < 1475553458 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1475553465 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess again < 1475553467 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1475553475 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're eliminated < 1475553487 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's let lambdabot have a guess < 1475553489 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: http://slbkbs.org/math-diff-2-4.txt hth < 1475553493 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3 7 13 31 61 127 251 < 1475553494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/A014234 Largest prime <= 2^n. < 1475553494 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,3,7,13,31,61,127,251,509,1021,2039,4093,8191,16381,32749,65521,131071,262... < 1475553505 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: lambdabot guesses 509 < 1475553521 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does lambdabot find it? < 1475553540 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even in the first page of results on oeis.org < 1475553543 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it just searches in a huge database of sequences < 1475553569 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what oeis is < 1475553577 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 12 34 56 78 90 < 1475553577 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1475553580 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. < 1475553582 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/search?q=3%2C7%2C13%2C31%2C61%2C127%2C251 < 1475553600 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it works with commas < 1475553602 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oeis.org/search?q=3%2C7%2C13%2C31%2C61%2C127%2C251&language=english&go=Search < 1475553609 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, commas < 1475553613 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 12 34 < 1475553615 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/A035485 Card on top of deck at n-th stage of R. K. Guy's sh... < 1475553615 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,1,6,5,9,1,4,2,16,10,12,14,23,16,18,20,17,27,30,33,38,10,14,37,32,6,11... < 1475553621 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 12 34 56 < 1475553622 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/A059805 Natural numbers written with digits grouped in pair... < 1475553622 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [12,34,56,78,91,1,11,21,31,41,51,61,71,81,92,2,12,22,32,42,52,62,72,82,93,3,... < 1475553647 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say, that sequence doesn't have an obvious way to continue indefinitely < 1475553652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like OEIS knew of one < 1475553653 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 01 23 45 67 89 < 1475553654 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1475553686 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 3 1 4 1 5 < 1475553699 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/A000796 Decimal expansion of Pi (or, digits of Pi). < 1475553699 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,1,4,1,5,9,2,6,5,3,5,8,9,7,9,3,2,3,8,4,6,2,6,4,3,3,8,3,2,7,9,5,0,2,8,8,4,1... < 1475553734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: re the minimum wage rise / corporation tax cut, my reasoning was that it's logical that if you're being protectionist wrt workers, you'd want to ensure that all the jobs were filled via increasing pay, as you can't rely on migrant workers any more < 1475553822 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer mercantilism to protectionism. Buy cheap and sell dear, on the level of nationstates < 1475553863 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i buy sheep and sell deer < 1475553905 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I didn't want to make a judgement as to whether protectionism was a good thing, just work out how you'd have to adjust things in the likely event that it's implemented < 1475553925 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a little topological group representation theory is not amiss if you happen to end up a quantum mechanic, repairing other peoples' quanta when they begin to wear out < 1475553927 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lold < 1475553947 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can mak sure you sell lots of finished goods and buy only raw materials, then money will flow into your country... < 1475553990 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: well the UK's exports are mostly services < 1475554088 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Is money flowing into your country a good thing? < 1475554104 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money isn't even real. < 1475554140 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If real world goods are flowing out of your country and in return some numbers get bigger, is that really to your advantage? < 1475554146 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. if your country has more money, then on average everyone in your country has more moeny < 1475554187 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But money is still not real. < 1475554222 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the time of mercantilism, moeny was gold < 1475554239 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least you can't print gold. < 1475554279 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do a similar thing creating a policy where your country is gathering large amounts of any valuable thing < 1475554294 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold happened to be the thing in the 1800's < 1475554321 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most countries still have their gold reserves < 1475554332 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What do you think of this crackpot-sounding PDF? http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf < 1475554337 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It starts at page 11.) < 1475554355 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gold is no longer that useful < 1475554355 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says some things that are obviously problematic, but I'm not sure what to make of the overall idea. < 1475554367 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold has never been that useful. < 1475554373 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would recommend that countries gather plutonium < 1475554384 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:bdc1:6279:7a41:aaf7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: yeah, I mean, there are obviously denser cities, but I didn't feel like it was too sparse or anything... there always seemed to be plenty of stuff to do. < 1475554400 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: What did you think of New York? < 1475554402 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh you're the author < 1475554404 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, were you in NY or Boston? < 1475554406 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: ? < 1475554408 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jsgif is cool < 1475554410 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plutonium stockpiles are very valuable to a country < 1475554411 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :your site < 1475554415 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: I'm not the author of that text. < 1475554419 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :okk < 1475554422 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reference at the top. < 1475554427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from a book. < 1475554428 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the author of the description for jsgif? < 1475554447 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were talking about the excerpt from _Mathematics Made Difficult_ < 1475554454 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: It's not bad if you have a car < 1475554455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a good book. < 1475554463 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Did you read that book? < 1475554477 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a blog? < 1475554478 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, with the construction, travelling by foot/bus is pretty bad < 1475554524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well gold used to be useful because eveyone used it as money < 1475554534 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:bdc1:6279:7a41:aaf7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: New York is fun to visit, but it's a bit stressful. < 1475554555 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make a case for countries to crate large stockpiles of american dollars... < 1475554569 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:bdc1:6279:7a41:aaf7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've been to both NYC and Boston in somewhat recent times < 1475554572 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a PDF (25MB): http://i7-dungeon.sourceforge.net/math_hard.pdf < 1475554577 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other "safe" currencies < 1475554594 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed re NYC < 1475554697 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1054 < 1475554698 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1054: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1475554761 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't people just put a ping on `olist, rather than adding themself to the list? < 1475554797 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some people do. < 1475554875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there might be some lists with no official subscribers? < 1475554896 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what I suggested for `danddreclist too, and use that even if HackEgo won't respond for any reason < 1475554916 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, also with other stuff such as `olist I suggest you can do that kind of stuff. < 1475555417 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: What do you think of that PDF? < 1475555875 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so why don't people just put a ping on `olist, rather than adding themself to the list? <-- i usually see the `olist in the logs, not in irssi. < 1475555898 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case your name isn't pinging you either < 1475555903 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you grep for your name in the logs, I guess < 1475555919 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep is sort-of an after-the-fact log-based version of pinging < 1475555922 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i search for my name in IE hth < 1475555946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very reasonable as long as it's only one string < 1475556011 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was excited for a moment when the channel was vaguely about esolangs. can we do that again? :P < 1475556041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were we discussing? < 1475556052 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see my edit to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Black? < 1475556076 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently the interp has vanished and wasn't in the web archive, so I rehosted it; it's not my interp but I happened to have a copy saved) < 1475556386 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a decade man < 1475556391 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have proved it TC by now < 1475556478 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a very vehement exposition of some blindly obvious facts, combined with some bullshit < 1475556480 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been working on it all that time! < 1475556489 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the fact of my edit, and the circumstances surrounding it < 1475556501 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :increase the chance that someone else will prove it TC and save me the bother :-P < 1475556544 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that you already understand it well enough to write a meaningful program in it means you have a head start on all such people < 1475556578 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but i'll think about it anyway < 1475556619 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I can't tell whether the first part is true. < 1475556838 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, it's obvious that with fiat currency and in particular with electronic money, the government can create as much money as it wants or needs at any time < 1475556853 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that much is obvious. < 1475556866 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except the federal reserve system is very complicated for some reason.) < 1475556883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But are all the consequences of that obvious? < 1475556992 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because he made other assumptions < 1475557003 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1475557041 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, people talk about government deficits being bad, and say that a government's spending should be lower than its tax revenue. < 1475557064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475557064 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if money is created only by the government, and you want the money supply to grow, is that really the case? < 1475557071 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, if a government prints too much money, its citizens will silently rebel by using foreign currencies and barter, not silently suffer < 1475557107 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there are negative consequences to printing unlimited amount of money. < 1475557127 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think there was a claim to the contrary.) < 1475557153 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, money is introduced by many people other than the government. < 1475557215 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but there are a bunch of places where I think he ignores the fact that currencies can start to compete within the economy < 1475557251 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, not all transactions use the official currency of a country, especially when there is dysfunction < 1475557260 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1475557297 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the goals of anyone who makes any sort of currency is to have people trust it. < 1475557370 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not only will other countries not accept your currency, but a government can't actually force its citizens to use a currency < 1475557424 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they can require taxes to be paid in that currency. < 1475557430 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so inflation rates have to be kept at a slow and veyr steady amount < 1475557496 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people have been trying unsuccessfully to increase USD inflation. < 1475557625 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-135-074.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1475557648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1475557660 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-092-072-135-074.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1475557763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1475557764 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i made a Black gate that does a thing. maybe it will help. < 1475557789 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the hard part is decrementing variables < 1475557795 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variable needs to extend past the original area of the program < 1475557811 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the turning apparatus you need to decrement it needs to be shoved further and further out over time < 1475557822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example program on the page is a proof that the decrement is possible < 1475557833 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I felt reasonably confident at that point that it was TC < 1475557864 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm just thinking about building logic gates and circuits and stuff. < 1475557888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, the control rather than the data < 1475557907 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't thought much about that < 1475557978 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid america and stupid month/day/year dates < 1475558024 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/aappleby/smhasher last commit on jan 9 and the text says "update: 1/8/2016" < 1475558040 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :total wtf for a couple of minutes < 1475558041 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1475558063 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the japanese/chinese system where each number is labeled < 1475558085 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much any other scheme is better < 1475558137 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: what about century/month/day/yearofcentury? 20/1/8/16 < 1475558149 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the devil < 1475558193 0 :foo_!~foo@c-98-235-65-93.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475558204 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: and then Japanese has an era. H28/8/16 < 1475558222 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably will change soon) < 1475558285 0 :burden--!~foo@c-98-235-65-93.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1475558362 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475558404 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:40 hours till Assange will give his address < 1475558434 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 123 fake street < 1475558446 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere, anywhere < 1475558473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean address as in a speech < 1475558484 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 10th anniversary of wikileaks < 1475558925 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly dates should give the year number mod 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 < 1475558938 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be unambiguous until the year 15016, at least if you know which field is which < 1475559017 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could easily do the same fir month and day < 1475559024 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fkr it < 1475559051 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a binary clock but with mod results instead of single led < 1475559105 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, remove 3 from the year < 1475559115 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use 5, 7, 11, 13 for the year, 3 and 4 for the month, 31 for the day < 1475559149 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the same for everything, otherwise it'd be way too easy < 1475559208 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what fun is it to see 27th if you can have 2, 6, 5, 1 < 1475559312 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we could just use the discordian dates < 1475559575 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475559689 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: maybe the day uses 2 and 17? < 1475559696 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475559701 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, perhaps duplicates are OK < 1475559707 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 4 is dubious enough as-is < 1475559742 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the same primes make a neat table < 1475559782 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, 5,7,11,13 as columns and year,month,day as rows < 1475559824 0 :encodingcollecto!~encodingc@c-73-189-255-150.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1475559933 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :til esoteric programming languages are "Langages de programmation exotiques" in French. exotic! now thats classy! < 1475560044 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I should really work out the details of the language I wanted to work out the details of < 1475560050 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the calesyta esolang challenge still going? < 1475560062 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in france, esoteric isn't that esoteric < 1475560085 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475560116 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, November 15 < 1475560117 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of time < 1475560242 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475560533 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There won't BE a world on november 15 < 1475560555 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: is this related to the US elections? < 1475560561 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1475560576 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the president-elect isn't sworn in until January... < 1475560594 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1475560605 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you think the world will end by november 15? < 1475560652 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :trump should at least wait for the release of disney's moana < 1475560656 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :before destroying the world < 1475560684 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :blowing up the planet before that would be a dick move < 1475560714 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at least mildly confident that if it came to a war between the US and the rest of the world, the rest of the world could deal with the problem without accidentally ending human civilisation in the process < 1475560717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: After would be completely fair though; I mean, this is the planet that elected Trump < 1475560728 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hasn't been elected yet < 1475560734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You haven't met the US < 1475560738 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently projected to have around a 1 in 3 chance of winning < 1475560744 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1475560750 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: I know enough about elections to know that they can be determined by completely random stuff < 1475560755 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm worried < 1475560767 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less worried than I could be < 1475560773 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a vote in the US, and if so, in which state? < 1475560785 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Hillary's not exactly preferable < 1475560792 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No; ineligible for the moment < 1475560796 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be preferable without actually being good < 1475560811 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1475560822 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather write an IRC client in INTERCAL than Malbolge, but neither is an appropriate choice < 1475560838 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it boils down to being shot in the foot or shot in the head; neither is good, but one isn't going to kill you < 1475560863 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think it'd be even possible to write it in malbolge; it doesn't do sockets iirc < 1475560874 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it in a loop with netcat < 1475560876 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like thutubot does < 1475560883 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1475560913 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPLs are one thing, but RSERPLs are even better < 1475560923 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Read Send Eval Receive Print Loop- SSH, basically) < 1475560951 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval before receive? < 1475560966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: eval is done remotely < 1475560968 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, CLC-INTERCAL does have sockets < 1475560977 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :and receive isn't? < 1475560984 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the best IPv6 compatibility method I've ever seen < 1475560991 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izalove: As in, data is sent to remote, evaluated there, and the response is sent back < 1475561000 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And printed < 1475561010 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very good name < 1475561016 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can look up an IPv6 IP as though it were a domain name, or an IPv6-only domain name, and you'll get a fake IPv4 address in response which then gets translated to and from the IPv6 address behind the scenes) < 1475561029 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be read send receive eval send receive print loop ? < 1475561038 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say RSRPL+RESL < 1475561041 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"receive eval send loop" is probably the best name for it < 1475561048 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: True < 1475561359 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any program other than CLC-INTERCAL capable to do such a thing with IPv6 compatibility? < 1475561386 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know of one, although that doesn't mean that there isn't one I don't know about < 1475561437 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just say remote-repl < 1475561511 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does remote stand for < 1475561537 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1475561562 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"somewhere, maybe but not necessarily here" < 1475561590 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst acronym ever < 1475561620 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it isn't one < 1475561628 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, INTERCAL is way worse < 1475561652 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even an acronym? < 1475561657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sufficiently advanced friendship is indistinguishable from magic < 1475561660 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1475561662 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pronounceable, which would tend to imply not < 1475561673 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, any technology that is distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced < 1475561677 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stands for Programming Language With No Pronouncable Acronym < 1475561693 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the only official statement along the lines is "INTERCAL is short for Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym" < 1475561703 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that it's an abbreviation, but no necessarily an acronym < 1475561707 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: PLWNPA? That's pronounceable. < 1475561717 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to treat w like old english < 1475561721 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it can make 'oo' < 1475561731 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's only dubiously a real word (which tends to imply that it isn't an acronym), and it isn't an initialism < 1475561734 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: intercal's not that old, i guess < 1475561746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: 1972 < 1475561777 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Would you be surprised if it wanted us to use old English? < 1475561779 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, not "old english" old < 1475561786 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would < 1475561798 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: You clearly aren't in the INTERCALlian spirit then < 1475561815 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal is more of a "look at what you can do" instead of a "look what we moved away from" < 1475561830 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it would be the later, it would still have goto < 1475561831 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is designed to do things differently from other languages, that is its only real guiding principle < 1475561846 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this allows doing things better in cases where most other languages mess them up < 1475561861 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, normally all the best options are already taken, thus forcing INTERCAL to choose a worse one < 1475562044 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't have null pointers, it is still a better language than go < 1475562102 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you possibly don't want to know how INTERCAL's closest pointer equivalents work :-P < 1475562127 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they have null pointers to the same extent that they have multivalued pointers < 1475562150 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some pointer-like constructs have a pointer end up pointing to itself if you attempt to unset it < 1475562269 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO is still something that would help in some programming languages which don't have it; in some of these cases they eventually did add goto < 1475562275 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But JavaScript still doesn't yet < 1475562303 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure if goto would be any good in an event based language < 1475562384 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by "event based language" exactly? < 1475563384 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475565075 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea < 1475565082 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a hash function < 1475565089 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can output any amount of bytes < 1475565097 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a prng < 1475565117 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :seed it with a fixed value < 1475565170 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :then something like uint32_t hash = rng(); while (*data) hash ^= rng() * *data++; < 1475565191 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be adapted to output a 64 bit hash by calling rng twice in the loop < 1475565204 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 128 bit or 196 bit or 1024 bit < 1475565261 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it stupid? < 1475565526 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feedback would be appreciated.. <.< < 1475565526 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too stupid but it's probably better to use a fixed sequence of values rather than random values < 1475565532 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you get silly behaviour when the RNG outputs 0, or a stream of the same value in a row, etc. < 1475565555 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many actual insecure hash functions use that sort of formula though < 1475565566 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not for crypto < 1475565591 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rng is a way to generate a fixed sequence of decently distributed numbers < 1475565609 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1475565627 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one well-known hash (ISBN check codes) uses the sequence 1, 2, 3, 4, … 10 for the purpose < 1475565639 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure that being decently distributed is required here :-D < 1475565647 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a vote in California. < 1475565662 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't hurt, no? < 1475565663 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very useful as far as influecing the national election. < 1475565672 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm, that's one of the least valuable states to have a vote in, sadly < 1475565678 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it means you could safely screw around with it < 1475565689 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1475565692 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 2016 < 1475565693 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, influencing the popular vote might potentially help in the case of a close decision) < 1475565745 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at least one stupid scenario, with a fraction-of-a-percent chance, in which the house of representatives gets to pick between clinton, trump, and johnson < 1475565761 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if clinton doesn't win the popular vote they'll almost certainly go for trump in that situation < 1475565837 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475565848 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :7000/1 is a fraction < 1475567534 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@43.245.203.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475568065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1475568121 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that hash function it's easy to generate a bloom filter < 1475568134 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :just initialize with n different seeds < 1475568468 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475569046 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1475569232 0 :augur!~augur@c-24-7-90-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475569740 0 :izalove!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.scribd.com/doc/18093757/Fuckin-Concrete-Contemporary-Abstract-Algebra-Introduction-by-Nicolas-Bourbaki-Junior < 1475569965 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1475570046 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475571018 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475571523 0 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:boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BONUS CHICKEN < 1475584310 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1475584344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475586487 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@43.245.203.68 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475586671 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475587632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475587667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475588702 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1475588704 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moooo < 1475589034 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gesundheit < 1475589211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475589297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475589475 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:fcd7:c615:a149:bac QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475589506 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:fcd7:c615:a149:bac JOIN :#esoteric < 1475590774 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1475590814 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475591907 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@cpe-174-100-169-144.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475594233 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1475594429 0 :trn!jhj@trnsz.com QUIT :K-Lined < 1475594431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie You know, maybe zemhill_____ should sometimes _subtract_ an underscore hth < 1475594431 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1475595232 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtraction is unsound < 1475595237 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition forever < 1475595248 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY < 1475595307 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative numbers don't even real < 1475595373 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No zero either. < 1475595517 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these newfangled numbers larger than two are suspect as well. < 1475596368 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475597189 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2 < 1475598124 0 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: gotta stay positive, I like it < 1475599974 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:feff:ff:fe00:316b PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote different result < 1475599975 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :397) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. < 1475600696 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475600766 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475600912 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1475601296 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf JOIN :#esoteric < 1475601300 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mooo < 1475601379 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475601414 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb `^_^v < 1475601416 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels obligated to link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI < 1475601432 0 :moonythedwarf!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/moonythedwarf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1475601441 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :special for you < 1475601559 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475603425 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while... I wonder whether the original swf is still around. < 1475604208 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475604600 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1475605108 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475605398 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475605466 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475606283 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you moonythedwarf. your kindness these past few days has warmed my heart < 1475606381 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard that song in a while < 1475606427 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1475606490 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me that the song says "he" but the animation shows a "she" < 1475606766 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mahjong < 1475606767 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahjong? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475607093 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-15-88.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475607297 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475607470 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475607730 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1475607745 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475607867 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475608424 0 :augur!~augur@2601:645:8100:c347:fcd7:c615:a149:bac QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475608661 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475608890 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475608969 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475609089 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475609640 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1475609655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be studying the "signs" of a set, which is a mathematical idea of mine (it could already exist, but I haven't heard of it) that ISN'T half-baked < 1475609667 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's essentially a way of generalizing positive and negative numbers < 1475609689 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll explain if anyone is interested, once I write down an ACIIable version < 1475609805 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless03.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1475609980 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it can't be less half-baked than the "signs" of M. Night Shyamalan < 1475609994 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it 'more half-baked'? < 1475610003 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :'less-than-half-baked'? < 1475610020 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just 'less-baked' < 1475610177 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'll have to check that < 1475610211 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ah < 1475610214 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was math xD < 1475610230 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Shall I explain them? < 1475610455 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1475610489 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1475610505 0 :hppavilion[2]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Wouldn't a half-baked idea be the baguette of ideas? < 1475610513 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1475610516 0 :hppavilion[2]!?@? NICK :hppavilion[1] < 1475611448 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1475611652 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@96.9.69.5 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1475611802 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475612248 0 :Zarutian!~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is JOIN :#esoteric < 1475613075 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc88067-wiga13-2-0-cust35.18-3.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475614126 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1475614226 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614229 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :banach-tarski//"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1475614722 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1475614723 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475614729 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614730 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​αλτγρ+γ//αλτγρ+γ is the national dead pastry of Greece. Goes great with a glass of ouzo! < 1475614745 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614747 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby//Ruby is a programming language from Japan, that eventually decided to support non-ascii characters. < 1475614757 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614758 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth//WTH is wavy toe hair. hth. < 1475614762 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614763 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@//@ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour. < 1475614769 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1475614769 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1475614773 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :overworld//The overworld is an alternative name for the world map, used by players of the Zelda video games. < 1475614780 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth can also be 'hope that harmed' in some cases < 1475614784 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614785 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hðh < 1475614785 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :structural subtyping//Not to be confused with substructural typing. < 1475614786 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hðh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475614792 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614793 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipu//IPU is an invisible pink unicorn. < 1475614799 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475614800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. < 1475614891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn hðh is how hppavilion[n] decides to sæ 'hth' when e's beiŋ annoyiŋ. At least, in a subset of ðose times. < 1475614893 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'hðh': hðh is how hppavilion[n] decides to sæ 'hth' when e's beiŋ annoyiŋ. At least, in a subset of ðose times. < 1475614908 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hðh < 1475614909 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hðh is how hppavilion[n] decides to sæ 'hth' when e's beiŋ annoyiŋ. At least, in a subset of ðose times. < 1475614922 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion[n] < 1475614922 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[n]? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475614926 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion < 1475614927 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk < 1475614966 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk. Not to be confused with hppavilion_n < 1475614969 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'hppavilion': hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk. Not to be confused with hppavilion_n < 1475615064 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/hðh < 1475615065 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1475615130 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :( < 1475615139 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointing out that you're being annoying does not free you from any consequences of being annoying. < 1475615156 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1475615156 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything it does the opposite. < 1475615181 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fair enough < 1475615190 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I felt it'd be useful though. < 1475615201 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people who get confused if I accidentally slip back into ERA < 1475615222 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use ERA outside of #esoteric; I only avoid it here out of consideration for the request of those with bad Unicode handling in their clients) < 1475615228 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you felt it'd be funny. < 1475615268 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...that too. < 1475615281 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I do is for humor < 1475615373 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't expecting Semmelweis to be a real person < 1475615390 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Whom? < 1475615405 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, was it a user that recently joined and turned out to not be a bot? < 1475615849 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1475615883 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475615898 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: no < 1475615907 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom semmelweis < 1475615908 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. < 1475615918 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually true < 1475615945 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick was disinfecting their hands before delivering babies < 1475616034 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1475616040 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh, huh < 1475616140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: But why would doctors hate him? It's more chargeable if the mother lives because (a) nasty ethics like "don't make people pay you, at least as much, when you seriously failed" don't get in the way as often and (b) dead men need no doctors (except, y'know, coroners), so they won't be returning customers < 1475616195 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: they hated him for suggesting that a gentleman's hands could possibly carry disease < 1475616206 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1475616215 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1475616268 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( They could carry the disease... of love! ) < 1475616666 0 :Caesura!~Aedile@casewireless09.CWRU.Edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1475616851 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1475616860 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-93.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1475617257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1475617378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1475618190 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So people apparently sometimes say that Grover's algorithm can be used for "searching a database". < 1475618279 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I have a "quantum hard drive" that I can store qubits in, but when I'm pulling qubits out, I have to specify the index classically; I can't ask for a superposition of indices. < 1475618331 0 :tswett!~tswett@192.241.237.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way I can store a database on this quantum hard drive such that I can use Grover's algorithm to quickly search it? < 1475618567 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: MDude < 1475618593 0 :MDude!~MDude@c-73-187-225-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475619899 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@d51A4BF3B.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1475620177 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm not an expert on this, but as I understand it, no; Wikipedia agrees: "Roughly speaking, if we have a function y = f(x) that can be evaluated on a quantum computer, Grover's algorithm allows us to calculate x when given y." < 1475621443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07VoidLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49857&oldid=49855 5* 03Iovoid 5* (+538) 10Add examples. < 1475621780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1475622105 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1475623436 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475623499 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623500 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#programming//No such channel. See `? #esoteric < 1475623575 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdon < 1475623575 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wisdon: not found < 1475623577 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623579 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oregon//Oregon is the home of Oregano. Gregor used to take care of the color scheme, but then he left. < 1475623586 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623587 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :codoctor//P⚭Q ∧ P ∈ 𝔻𝕣 → Q ∈ 𝔻𝕣* < 1475623607 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623609 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :northumberland//Northumberland may be today a sparsely populated country... but SOON! THE NORTHUMBRAINS SHALL RISE! < 1475623616 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh//heh stands for hope ectoplasm helps. < 1475623624 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623625 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe//The universe was invented by Taneb as an opposing force to oerjan. Escardó proved that it was indiscreet. < 1475623632 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623633 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try//There is no try. < 1475623638 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623640 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland//Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1475623646 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623647 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic-wind//dynamic-wind is the opposite of static-wind. < 1475623868 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he\\oren\. please be advised that nothing can oppose oerjan hth < 1475623879 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623881 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke//Jokes are no drug. < 1475623885 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623887 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fire//Fire, fire, everywhere, nor any drop to drink. < 1475623984 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom < 1475623985 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scotland// it's that place where they all wear kilts and chase haggises around whilst warding off the loch ness monster with bagpipes < 1475624031 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1475624127 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coily < 1475624135 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elloerjan < 1475624160 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intopia < 1475624227 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quinthellopia, hellørjan. < 1475624250 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opposes oerjan. FOR SCIENCE! < 1475624255 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoily. i have found the universe quite efficient at opposing me, actually. < 1475624264 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opposes boily < 1475624287 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to oppose either, on principle < 1475624321 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you opposing opposition? < 1475624349 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1475624360 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1475624370 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not totally opposing boily, i just think he hasnt given vocaloid a completely fair shot. < 1475624378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets hit by the falling anvil. it's been a while... < 1475624464 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppose is when you reverse all the 2-cells in a pose? < 1475624499 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: Wouldn't a half-baked idea be the baguette of ideas? <-- . o O ( baguette derivatives ) < 1475624518 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its when you give a pose the permission to kick people from the channel < 1475624531 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1475624540 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak of the devil < 1475624545 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speak o... oops < 1475624570 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: Wouldn't a half-baked idea be the baguette of ideas? <-- . o O ( baguette derivatives ) < 1475624591 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us aboit set signs then hppavilion[1] < 1475624650 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: itym posse hth < 1475624687 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that would be opposse < 1475624704 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :opossible < 1475624830 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK < 1475624831 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confuzzled. < 1475624868 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signs are basically a way of generalizing positive and negative (and zero) numbers that I'm playing with < 1475624883 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a heffalomp or wuzzle / is very confuzzle < 1475624916 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a set S and a magnitude function (which is basically a more general absolute value) #x : S -> T that may or may not need to satisfy some properties that I haven't found to be needed yet < 1475624949 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they come in ones and twoosels. < 1475624950 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assume for now T is a subset of S. Other cases are possible, of course, but I'm ignoring those for now) < 1475624995 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#x must be defined for ALL elements of S) < 1475625098 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a heffalomp or wuzzle's very sly < 1475625112 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for many definitions of #x, there will be several values x, y where x /= y, #x = #y (by the pigeonhole principle, definitely any where T has lesser cardinality (which is, by the way, a possible definition of #) than X) < 1475625118 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hppavilion < 1475625119 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk. A common alternative definition is the set of all items yielded by the general case of the generator. Not to be confused with hppavilion^k or hppavilion_m. < 1475625126 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1475625138 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sign basically is what makes those values different. < 1475625170 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...all of that seems rather obvious, but how is it useful? < 1475625189 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, y'know, when your set is Z and magnitude is just normal absolute value, -1 /= 1 but |-1| = |1| = 1 < 1475625198 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yeah, that's what I'm looking for < 1475625232 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels like one of those things that HAS to be useful (not random babbling), but I don't know of an exact application < 1475625245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I might have had one in mind earlier, but I've forgotten it if so) < 1475625253 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? heffalump < 1475625254 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heffalump? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475625269 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1475625271 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable < 1475625274 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But the point is that sign can be something more than just + - 0; you can have arbitrarily many of them < 1475625298 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even have a cosign for every sign. < 1475625305 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...yes, you could < 1475625317 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, let's be honest, that's going to come up eventually < 1475625347 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you're doing complex numbers, you have uncountably many if you use normal absolute value for magnitude; the signs represent points on the unit circle) < 1475625411 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn A heffalump is similar to a lump of sugar, but with honey instead. < 1475625413 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'heffalump': A heffalump is similar to a lump of sugar, but with honey instead. < 1475625428 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh, and even if you just use Q, you can find alternative similar interpretations to positive and negative that are very different. < 1475625441 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wisdom entry is very confusil < 1475625455 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1475625474 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? woozle < 1475625475 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woozle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1475625480 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hefelump is a lump of sugar fermented with yeast < 1475625506 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that a pun or just a mispling < 1475625534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using mfloor(x) instead of abs(x), sign becomes any number n/m : m in N*, n in N, -1 ≤ n ≤ 1 < 1475625563 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hefe as in hefeweizen