00:10:51 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:13:52 Bibimbap is pretty tasty. 00:14:27 @google bim bam bom hebrew 00:14:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lLGmRj3_MA 00:18:57 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:23:25 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 00:26:16 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:26:58 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( What's the opposite of red tape? 00:27:10 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( +) ) 00:35:57 I think the "Europe and Asia or Eurasia" debate should be settled by saying Eurasia is a continent, but having a separate term describing a cultural mass 00:36:28 (Europe is separate from Asia in this system, and so are the Middle East and India) 00:37:12 Asia is a continent, and Europe is a peninsula. 00:37:40 shachaf: Then where's the UK? 00:37:56 A kingdom. 00:38:19 Also, no it isn't, the called "Europe" is clearly more than a peninsula 00:39:33 (There's a bizarre model that is still taught in some places (most notably France, Italy, and Spain) that claims there are 6 continents) 00:39:52 (They are: Europe, Asia, Australia, Antarctica, Africa, and America) 00:40:07 hppavilion[1]: you have read wikipedia's article on Continent, right? 00:40:16 oerjan: I'm in it right now 00:40:22 figures. 00:40:34 oerjan: Why? 00:41:41 i didn't say _i_ had read it hth 00:41:59 -!- Kaynato has joined. 00:42:45 * oerjan ponders if he should think before speaking 00:43:06 otoh that is boring. otth... 00:43:16 otuh 00:44:40 otooh... 00:45:03 hppavilion[1]: if we have a separate term describing cultural mass, where does that put russia and some of its neighbors? 00:45:40 we could compromise and say europe is a pencontinent 00:45:45 oerjan: Either in Europe (a name which will be adopted as distinct from Eurasia) or split between Europe and Asia, depending on how Russia works 00:46:12 I don't actually understand russia 00:46:41 “Let social purpose hang itself unhindered! No- I mean, literature can replace, can actually become… Russia!” 00:46:46 That's not the quote I was looking for. 00:46:50 hppavilion[1]: i'm thinking that russia might need to be a third one 00:46:54 But I can't find the one I was looking for on that page. 00:47:01 oerjan: Perhaps 00:47:07 they're certainly acting like they're trying to be 00:47:13 (third? Won't there be, like, 10?) 00:47:21 Asia is the parts of the former Asia that aren't India or Stanic 00:47:37 hppavilion[1]: i mean beyond asia and europe. although of course asia needs further breakup. 00:47:41 Ah 00:48:07 Africa is divided around the middle (apparently) and Brazil is separate from the rest of South America 00:48:12 and stanic ... does that include _all_ the muslim countries in the middle? 00:48:20 oerjan: No, just the middle east 00:48:27 You aren't counting Russia as part of Asia? 00:48:29 Or anywhere like it 00:48:36 shachaf: oerjan recommends I don't 00:48:43 I was talking to oerjan. 00:48:47 hppavilion[1]: the middle east isn't the part that has countries named -stan 00:48:54 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn1rPQouU 100% accurate 00:49:34 shachaf: i'm speaking about hppavilion[1]'s cultural division idea. russia is certainly not asian, and probably not european by that measure. 00:49:40 (We must be careful though; Scandinavia is still in Europe, but further divisions will separate it (except finland)) 00:49:43 oerjan: Oh, huh 00:50:18 That's not the quote I was looking for. <-- i believe you. 00:50:24 Well, the Middle East is its own area (and probably includes Egypt, honestly) separate from the main Asia (which also excludes India) 00:50:58 I would make such a good racist... 00:51:11 Unfortunately, I'm not. :( 00:54:10 (A radical Muslim would be referred to as an "orthodox muslim"; when talking about countries allowing certain Muslimy traditions (to any extent; Sharia Law is implied as the endpoint, but just letting them leave their classes to pray 2-3 times a day (depending on when the rules say they must and the school schedule) will be referred to as "[country name]-stan"- e.g. Americastan, Francestan, Germanystan, United Kingdom of Great Britain 00:54:10 and Northern Irelandstan) 01:08:04 hppavilion[1]: Never mind that permitting such prayers would probably fall more under 1st amendment rights than anything else (... in the US) 01:08:10 But, y'know. Racism. 01:17:09 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( Is it possible to make a Cesar Cipher with a non-integer key? ) 01:17:41 2.5 = 5/2. You alternate between a shift of 2 and a shift of 3, I guess. 01:20:40 Oooh, atbash('holy') = 'slob' 01:21:11 OMG, atbash('wizard') = 'draziw' 01:21:20 This is the best thing ever 01:22:01 wat 01:25:41 Perhaps the process should be refined to account for /number/ of links <-- iirc that's been done for erdős 01:26:01 oerjan: Oh 01:26:03 with 1/n. but only for the first step. 01:27:32 oerjan: It should account for how many papers have been written by him- sure, erdős is dead /now/ (for now), but if you apply the erdős distancing function ő(a, b), a and b might both still be alive 01:31:47 so, my dwarfs can now cut down trees, collect resulting wood and make barrels in workshops 01:35:28 but can they love 01:35:43 also, i forgot what skill is connected with actually build workshops in df 01:35:47 not yet 01:42:32 izalove: No, myname isn't running the nightlies 01:42:57 aww 01:43:37 Is there such thing as cryptographic steganography? Where you encrypt two messages into one, in such a way that message A can be broken in a way that looks real, but message B (which is slightly harder to break) is a separate message discretely encoded into message A? 01:43:52 I suppose you could do it with case or something... 01:45:09 But only if it isn't on a computer; if the person who breaks it would have to be doing it by hand 01:46:18 Encrypt your main message using Caesar #2, capitalize and decapitalize the letters in output to encode your secreter message in quintets (caps = 1, uncaps = 0) 01:46:56 Even better, switch between typographic variants while doing this. single-story a = 0, double-story = 1 01:48:05 hpp: my only real take at steganography is http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=877696 01:48:15 Ah 01:49:24 (Oooh, or obsolete-cypher cypher; Vingere a long mess of garbage using the message, and the other person breaks it the usual way, discards the message and just reads the key) 01:56:26 ``` sed '1itest' /dev/null 01:56:28 No output. 01:56:38 why 01:56:41 huh 01:56:44 what did you expect? 01:56:55 izalove: who are you talking to 01:56:58 you 01:57:35 izalove: i was looking at wob_jonas's experiments in the log, and wondering if sed provides at _all_ any way of adding something to an empty file 01:58:17 -!- teuchter has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:58:36 it seems to me that you cannot apply any command if there isn't an already existing line for it to act on 01:58:48 obviously 01:59:22 which is rather stupid if you wanted to, say, unconditionally add a prefix 02:00:36 oerjan: I think it does, yes. try the i command for that. 02:00:46 or maybe not... wait 02:00:58 let me read the manual 02:02:09 oerjna: dunno, maybe it doesn't 02:05:01 `` sed 'itest' << test \ hello 02:05:07 Interesting 02:10:48 `` sed '$itest' /dev/null 02:10:49 No output. 02:10:56 `` sed '0,$itest' /dev/null 02:10:56 sed: -e expression #1, char 4: invalid usage of line address 0 02:11:02 `` sed '1,$itest' /dev/null 02:11:03 No output. 02:11:16 `` sed '1,$itest' << test \ hello 02:15:25 you're not grokking sed 02:15:38 1itest means when you read line 1, do i test 02:15:49 (Apparently the Polybius square for English usually merges I and J. Much better would be to drop W and make people use 'vv' 02:15:50 line 1 was never read so it's never executed 02:15:57 same for $itest 02:16:28 0,$ 0 only works for 0,/regex/ 02:16:32 izalove: it's not about grokking sed, i understand why it does it. 02:16:58 ah i see, then you're just trying stupid things that you know are not gonna work 02:17:01 for reasons 02:17:12 izalove: i just think it is stupid that sed _has_ no way of doing this. 02:17:23 why 02:17:28 it's a stream editor 02:17:34 how do you edit a stream if you have no stream? 02:18:03 izalove: because sed allows appending and inserting data, and unless the file is empty you can _easily_ do it at the beginning or end of it. 02:18:19 you can only apply commands for each line read, so if you read no line you obviously can't apply commands 02:19:12 izalove: you are thinking in a "this is why sed's logic implies this" way, not a "why would anyone _want_ sed's logic to work like this" way. 02:19:40 i understand why you would want to do it but that's not how sed works 02:20:01 izalove: you seem to be repeating what oerjan said 02:20:01 sed works line by line and you can only apply commands on those lines 02:20:29 why are you siding with the stupid one 02:20:33 * oerjan swats izalove -----### 02:20:43 izalove: because it is your way of thinking that is stupid. 02:22:47 you're confusing $ for something to do at the end of the file, so you're expecting sed to have a similar symbol for something to do at the beginning of the file 02:22:51 * oerjan should not swat when frustrated. sorry. 02:22:53 but $ is for the last line 02:23:04 izalove: i'm not confusing anything. 02:23:29 izalove: i am saying that sed would be a better program if it followed a slightly more user-friendly interpretation. 02:23:50 hello 02:23:52 oerjan: no, no, you don't understand. sed doesn't do what you're saying you wish it did. your wish is wrong. 02:23:55 hth 02:24:00 oerjan: ok think of sed actions as foreach (line for which this expression is true) { dothing } 02:24:07 * oerjan swats shachaf -----### 02:24:25 oerjan: think of sed as a program that doesn't do what you want. 02:24:31 now do you see why it doesn't do what you want? 02:25:04 oerjan: why don't you make a patch to gnu sed that lets you use 0 as an address to run commands before the first line is read, so that there's a zeroth cycle that also ends with emptying or printing the pattern space like normal cycles? 02:25:06 now think of every program as a program that doesn't do what you want 02:25:16 now does *everything* make more sense? 02:25:16 oerjan: you wouldn't expect a foreach to execute actions if there's no line, right? 02:25:24 quintopia: darn, you're right! 02:25:31 you guys are all stupid 02:26:08 izalove: no, you're just fixating on your interpretation of the situation. 02:26:18 it's the right interpretation 02:26:31 perhaps oerjan is too left-leaning for you 02:26:41 * oerjan topples over 02:33:09 this forbes article about target's data mining and advertising is quite interesting 02:35:14 `` (echo hi; echo there; echo counterexample) | sed '1,2cwhoops...' 02:35:15 whoops... \ counterexample 02:35:30 izalove: your explanation needs work hth hth ;) 02:35:41 oops 02:35:44 oerjan: your hthing needs work hth hth 02:35:47 *-hth 02:35:56 i like it when he uses two 02:36:59 oerjan: idiot 02:37:24 izalove: jerk 02:37:28 izalove: hm? i'm just saying that doesn't work like your foreach interpretation 02:37:28 fair 02:38:21 `` (echo hi; echo there; echo counterexample) | sed '1,2ithis one i dunno what it will do' 02:38:22 this one i dunno what it will do \ hi \ this one i dunno what it will do \ there \ counterexample 02:38:47 i suppose that fits. 02:38:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:39:02 so c may be the only counterexample. 02:42:42 `? oerjan 02:42:43 Your mysterious helpful œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 02:43:01 * oerjan thinks better of it 02:43:21 Who was your new arch-nemesis? 02:43:22 Oh, right. 02:43:42 i have a new arch-nemesis? 02:43:59 Yes, one with many names. 02:44:00 i'm considering neil degrasse tyson hth 02:44:49 (but only because the only video i've bothered watching by him was so obviously strawman fighting) 02:46:11 was it http://i.imgur.com/brDnLIg.webm 02:46:32 my browser won't open that 02:46:38 why not 02:46:47 what if you replace the last four characters witth gifv 02:46:51 or with gif 02:47:20 i'll just chop it off 02:47:35 or that 02:48:59 OKAY 02:49:30 look 02:49:32 * oerjan needs to calm down. also, food -> 02:49:45 oerjan: can you photograph a pooch while you're away 02:49:48 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 02:49:57 no, for at least two reasons. 02:50:25 what are the reasons 02:50:29 actually, three 02:51:17 elaborate 02:51:25 (1) i don't have a camera (2) there aren't any pooches around at this time (3) it would be too dark... oh wait, flash. i don't have a flash either. 02:51:43 no pooches? 02:51:44 come on 02:51:57 point (3) applies even for the inconvenient option of bringing my laptop outside 02:51:59 just go outside and knock on some doors until you find someone with a pooch 02:52:35 many phones have built-in cameras nowadays 02:52:38 maybe you have one of those 02:52:49 i don't think so. i worked too hard on making my next door neighbors care enough to keep theirs silent hth 02:52:54 nope 02:54:05 what's this? why do you need to photograph a pooch? 02:54:15 ask shachaf 02:54:22 while i'm getting food 02:54:47 oerjan: what food are you getting 02:59:25 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 02:59:35 Oh my god 03:00:22 'vacc-' is latin for 'cow' 03:00:30 "consider a spherical cow in a vacuum" 03:01:04 (I mean, 'vac-' is Latin for "empty", but that's probably unrelated) 03:01:25 svacc 03:10:06 shachaf: bread 03:10:39 shachaf: are you saying his argument is weak (svak in norwegian) 03:10:48 i'm saying it's scow 03:11:04 ah. 03:11:05 sku 03:11:10 `? scow 03:11:11 Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. 03:16:07 `? HackEgo 03:16:08 HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico! 03:16:18 `? Elronnd 03:16:19 Elronnd desperately wants this entry to say something. 03:16:28 `cwlprits Elronnd 03:16:31 No output. 03:16:33 oopse 03:16:36 `cwlprits elronnd 03:16:38 oerjan Elronnd oerjan Elronnd Elronnd 03:16:47 `dowg elronnd 03:16:49 2016-01-11 learn Elronnd desperately wants this entry to say something. \ 2016-01-08 learn Elronnd ... \ 2015-12-20 ` rm wisdom/{elronnd,b_jonas} \ 2015-12-19 learn Elronnd *definitely* esoteric \ 2015-12-19 learn Elronnd *Definitely* esoteric 03:17:00 `rainwords Elronnd 03:17:02 ​Elronnd 03:17:11 `rainwords HackEgo you done a good job 03:17:12 ​HackEgo you done a good job 03:26:17 in pokemon games, potion restores 20 hp and fresh water restores 50 <-- obviously their medicine is based on homeopathy hth 03:26:37 still mad at you 03:26:53 * oerjan offers icecream 03:26:58 ok 03:27:04 that works 03:27:07 oerjan: please, what kind of ice cream are you offering 03:27:09 how do i get it 03:27:23 shachaf: step 1: be mad at oerjan 03:27:30 oerjan is too good 03:27:38 oerjan++ 03:27:43 shachaf: dark chocolate 03:27:51 scow 03:27:57 i don't like chocolate ice cream 03:28:03 and i don't really like dark chocolate 03:28:03 *MWAHAHAHA* 03:28:14 whoa 03:28:15 My token non-binary lesbian friend is currently playing Pokemon and was asking me what e should do. I know nothing at all about pokemon. 03:28:17 you really are evil 03:28:18 `? oerjan 03:28:19 Your mysterious helpful œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 03:28:22 * oerjan gives shachaf a pistacchio one 03:28:31 oerjan: please, where can i get it 03:28:46 *-c 03:29:14 `slwd oerjan//s#helpful œ#evil o# 03:29:17 wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious evil overlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 03:29:43 shiny 03:32:48 -!- JX7P has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:34:01 -!- IRIXUser has joined. 03:34:25 -!- IRIXUser has changed nick to Guest13447. 03:52:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:55:21 shachaf: i don't know if diplom-is delivers to california, alas 03:56:11 oerjan: Can you find out? 03:57:14 (of course you haven't noticed my evil scheme yet...) 03:58:19 Which scheme? 03:59:01 the fact that the pistachio is covered in dark chocolate hth https://www.diplom-is.no/produkter/royal-pistasj1 03:59:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:00:05 Oh, that's fine. 04:00:12 That's not chocolate ice cream. 04:00:22 ah 04:00:26 And I probably don't mind dark chocolate in that form. 04:00:34 You should send me some so I can find out. 04:00:54 i don't think i can do that 04:01:04 Why not? 04:03:42 (1) it needs to be kept frozen (2) mental issues 04:04:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:05:02 Which issues? 04:05:06 The kind that it's rude to ask about? 04:05:42 obviously. 04:08:13 anyway, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistachio_ice_cream lists some american companies 04:13:42 -!- `^_^v has joined. 04:29:22 Obviously I'm interested in Norwegian ice cream. 04:30:00 And none of those seem to have dark chocolate, anyway. 04:30:51 norwegian ice cream is quite good 04:31:05 `? shachaf 04:31:09 Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. 04:32:04 sprø som pistasj iskrem 04:32:23 there's a good company near where I used to live 04:32:30 very good, although drop the last space 04:33:31 "tolive" is invalid english hth 04:33:49 * oerjan swats shachaf-----### 04:36:07 Oh, I get it. 04:36:13 "sprø" means crunchy 04:36:17 But also crazy 04:36:24 So it's a pun, because celery is crunchy 04:36:27 shachaf: why do you hate bell peppers 04:36:35 alercah: so many reasos 04:36:38 n 04:36:51 pistasjiskrem isn't very crunchy at all 04:37:45 Pistachios, on the other hand... 04:38:24 shachaf: well the one you're pining for includes some nut pieces 04:38:34 oh 04:38:38 and also the chocolate 04:38:48 so what you're saying is, not very sprø at all? 04:38:57 mildly sprø? 04:39:14 Was my assessment of the pun correct? 04:39:22 is sprø the opposite of scow? 04:40:09 probably not. prø isn't the opposite of cow. 04:40:24 hmm maybe there's a triangle 04:40:33 prø-cow-??? 04:40:44 gnition 04:40:49 clearly gnition. 04:41:16 clearly I am not as educated in these arts as you 04:41:44 shachaf: you've assessed well. 04:42:37 Why does everyone know all these languages? 04:42:38 shachaf: btw i didn't invent that pun, norwegians actually use it. 04:42:42 * Elronnd only knows 2.6 languages 04:42:43 oerjan: I know. 04:42:46 A cow is the dual of a w, obviously. 04:43:11 There are many vegetabel colloquialisms that are difficult to translate. 04:43:23 In Hebrew people say "nonsense in tomato juice" 04:43:30 Which actually isn't a good example because it's not a pun. 04:43:50 it rhymes nicely, though 04:43:55 Yes. 04:44:03 a scow is the dual of a wino. 04:44:07 approximate translitteration: shtuyot be mits 04:44:12 agvanyot 04:44:38 What are other vegetable colloquialisms? 04:44:46 I know there are more but it's hard to think of them. 04:45:11 potato 04:45:17 (also in hebrew) 04:45:26 ? 04:45:52 you never heard that one? 04:46:08 oerjan: I've been informed that "shachaf sprø som selleri" is iggrammatical. 04:46:13 Missing an "er". 04:47:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:48:14 shachaf: it was adapted from a previous version that was also iggrammatical hth 04:48:46 What was the previous version? 04:49:03 "shachaf mad" hth 04:49:17 * oerjan whistles innocently 04:50:21 what's iggrammatical 04:50:35 it's the opposite of grammatical hth 04:50:58 that would be ungrammatical 04:51:24 * oerjan looks at Elronnd like he's sprø som selleri 04:51:27 iggrammatical is iggrammatical 04:51:30 but pointing that out is not very insightful 04:51:44 s/insightful/iggrammatical/g 04:51:46 some people do it reflexively 04:51:49 is it, really? isn't it more immorphological. 05:04:47 -!- trn has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 05:07:42 -!- j-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:13:29 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 05:34:50 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:38:58 -!- Sgeo has joined. 06:10:28 clippy in freefall is going to need to sort out some things... 06:18:01 in girl genius, grandma is one confident lady. 06:19:40 Yep, Clippy is quite confused at present. 06:33:58 -!- MoALTz has joined. 06:34:37 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:46:42 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:48:53 -!- carado has joined. 07:05:16 -!- trn has joined. 07:15:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:25:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:32:44 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:40:34 -!- copumpkin has joined. 07:45:51 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 07:52:20 -!- `^_^v has joined. 07:56:57 -!- augur has joined. 07:59:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-H1LddWxo8 08:05:48 Apparently, there used to be an idiom "The only people who stay dead in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben." 08:05:57 Bucky and Jason Todd were both brought back in 2005 08:07:50 Did... they bring back the Waynes? 08:10:32 pikhq: Probably at some point 08:10:37 But do they even really count as characters? 08:10:45 They're more of a backstory plot device 08:10:51 Well, no, they are just plot devices. 08:11:23 (Think, what do you know about Batman's parents? They died... usually after seeing Zorro... and that's it) 08:11:57 (Usually it was an assassination set up to look like a mugging gone awry?) 08:13:11 This is my proposed API of SQLite to use with a JavaScript code http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sqlite_js and I hope this would be better than the existing packages for SQLite on JavaScript. But, I wouldn't know how because I don't know C++ programming 08:13:46 Isn't SQLite pure C? 08:14:18 Yes 08:14:33 However, Node.js extension are written with C++ 08:14:48 Grumble. 08:15:28 The asynchronous stuff I wrote might be wrong though and might need to be changed if the way I currently wrote it won't work very well. 09:11:40 -!- `^_^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 09:17:17 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:45:54 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:46:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:01:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:14:24 -!- `^_^v has joined. 10:16:06 -!- `^_^v has quit (Client Quit). 11:30:49 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Talideon * New user account 11:35:14 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49725&oldid=49721 * Talideon * (+191) /* Introductions */ 11:38:17 [wiki] [[User:Talideon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49726 * Talideon * (+313) Created page with "Hello! My name's Keith Gaughan. I mirror some esolang-related content: * [https://mirrors.talideon.com/articles/qbal/ Q-BAL] - I really ought to write an implementation of t..." 11:38:29 [wiki] [[Dis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49727&oldid=46482 * Talideon * (+133) /* External resources */ Add a specification mirror link. 11:53:40 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 11:57:05 "(Think, what do you know about Batman's parents? They died... usually after seeing Zorro... and that's it)" => oh, like Doctor Sarton 13:01:26 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:08:47 -!- sewilton has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 13:09:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:15:52 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 13:24:58 -!- Guest13447 has quit (Changing host). 13:24:58 -!- Guest13447 has joined. 13:25:01 -!- Guest13447 has changed nick to JX7P. 13:38:34 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 13:40:01 -!- Kobalt has joined. 13:40:30 ~>pyc print 1+1 13:40:32 'import site' failed | 2 | 13:49:25 -!- digin4 has joined. 13:56:22 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 13:56:39 -!- digin4 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:31:22 -!- Kaynato has joined. 14:39:43 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 14:54:03 -!- sewilton has joined. 15:27:46 -!- j-bot has joined. 15:36:17 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:36:33 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:38:23 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:46:37 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:47:32 -!- Kobalt has joined. 15:52:20 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:55:42 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:55:57 -!- Kobalt has joined. 15:57:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:59:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:03:14 -!- Zarutian has joined. 16:08:53 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:09:09 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:11:30 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:11:46 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:11:52 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: when is your bot going to do anything? 16:12:15 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:14 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:13:22 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:40 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:13:49 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:54 well the bot is going relatively slowly atm 16:14:08 although if it's quitjoinspamming and there isn't a human attending it, it should probably be tested in a channel of its own 16:14:16 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:14:17 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:14:36 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 16:14:50 \oren\: how long has it been doing that? 16:15:10 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:15:45 <\oren\> only since half an hour ago by my scrollup 16:15:58 right 16:16:08 let's give it a while to do something more interesting before it gets banned 16:16:42 <\oren\> the frequency is about one every 4 minutes anyway 16:16:57 that's comparable to pingout timing 16:16:57 <\oren\> on average 16:17:03 maybe it doesn't know how to handle the ping from the server 16:17:14 and sends a quit rather than a pong 16:17:15 <\oren\> possibly. 16:17:38 <\oren\> My bot is irssi based, so it doesn't have to handle any of that stuff 16:17:54 Sorry, im fixing a few bugs. 16:17:59 code changed 16:18:07 <\oren\> oh, so you're rebooting it 16:18:11 <\oren\> i see 16:18:22 yea. its design is not exactly reload friendly 16:18:31 may try childprocesses later 16:19:10 right, if there's a human behind it 16:19:17 the joinspam is less of a problem 16:19:52 ~>pyc while True: print 1+1 # _Should_ no longer let processes run rampant 16:19:53 it can be easier to test it in a channel of your own, though, both because you don't spam the channel as much and because other people don't say things and interrupt your tests 16:19:54 'import site' failed | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 16:19:54 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 16:19:58 <\oren\> irssi can reload a script without unjoining 16:20:14 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 16:20:19 <\oren\> or whatever the tchincal word im looking for it 16:20:23 True ais523 16:20:41 im going to implent childprocess based commands for the next update. :P 16:21:05 maybe 16:26:28 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:26:43 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:26:48 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:27:17 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:28:18 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:28:33 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:29:01 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:29:07 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:29:17 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:30:11 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:30:28 -!- Kobalt has joined. 16:30:37 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:37:13 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:37:47 -!- digin4 has joined. 16:38:05 -!- digin4 has quit (Client Quit). 16:45:39 -!- Kaynato has joined. 16:48:30 <\oren\> I should invent a dish involving servings of waffles and call it "wunderwaffle" 16:50:39 does that use English pronunciation, German pronunciation, or change halfway through the word? 16:50:56 <\oren\> or maybe a whole waffle house: luftwaffle, panzerwaffle, wunderwaffle, atomwaffle, waffle-ss 16:51:37 I like "luftwaffle" 16:51:38 <\oren\> ais523: not sure. I could only get away with it in japan or korea anyway, where noone knows how to pronounce any of that anyway 16:52:19 <\oren\> like in germany I would probably go to jail on opening night 16:53:13 \oren\, luftwaffe is still the name of the German Air Force 16:54:02 <\oren\> but i wouldn't get away with a dish called waffle ss 16:55:09 That is true 16:55:21 <\oren\> or probably even "wunderwaffle" would be frowned upon 16:57:28 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:06:14 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:06:31 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:07:34 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:07:50 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:07:52 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:08:06 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:09:55 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:10:09 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:10:15 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:10:31 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:11:32 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:12:00 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:13:07 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:13:22 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:13:56 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:14:11 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:15:31 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:15:45 -!- Kobalt has joined. 17:15:50 Ok should be done for now 17:15:59 ~>pyc print 1+1 17:15:59 2 | 17:16:09 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:22:42 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:25:30 <\oren\> horray 17:25:49 <\oren\> ~>pyc print "hello " + "wrold \n" 17:25:50 hello wrold | | 17:31:10 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 17:35:38 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 17:41:53 -!- wob_jonas has joined. 17:46:34 Wow, http://faculty.evansville.edu/ck6/encyclopedia/ETC.html Encyclopedia of Triangle Centers has really grown. It has over 10000 points now.\ 17:47:12 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 17:57:39 -!- `^_^v has joined. 17:58:15 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 18:04:53 [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49728&oldid=46494 * Primo * (+35) /* 48 */ 18:05:31 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:16:06 -!- Kaynato has joined. 18:17:19 what is special about 45306? 18:22:11 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 18:22:25 [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49729&oldid=49728 * Primo * (+35) /* 208 */ 18:24:40 [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49730&oldid=49729 * Primo * (+0) /* 48 */ 18:24:59 [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49731&oldid=49730 * Primo * (+0) /* 208 */ 18:40:02 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:15:37 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:17:34 -!- wanderman has joined. 19:22:33 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:24:04 -!- Kaynato has joined. 19:26:37 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:28:48 -!- sewilton has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 19:30:46 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:32:57 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 19:37:34 [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49732&oldid=49731 * Rdebath * (-70) Sorry, not interesting (not shorter or fewer cells) and they use three cells anyway. See talk. 19:42:40 [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49733&oldid=38128 * Rdebath * (+1536) /* Note on crunchfuck and more values. */ new section 19:49:51 -!- AndChat112404 has joined. 19:50:17 -!- AndChat112404 has changed nick to Siniestro. 19:50:21 Hola 20:01:57 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:07:17 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 20:09:04 -!- sewilton has joined. 20:22:17 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:26:59 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 20:30:19 (Why is ONLY the third verse of Deutschlandlied sung in Germany? Like, the first verse is kind of objectionable, but the second is fine, though not really a good first verse. Why not 3 then 2?) 20:31:08 (I mean, I guess 2 could be considered sexist? "Our women are the best women" is I guess offensive to certain horseshoes?) 20:32:48 (Is the current government of Germany considered different from the one the Third Reich was part of, or the same government but reformed?) 20:37:26 -!- wanderman has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:43:19 -!- Caesura has joined. 20:46:35 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:48:24 Pretty sure it's considered different 20:48:39 And, well, dunno, maybe they wanted it short 20:56:23 (Every country should standardize their emergency codes. I just learned it's 112 in Deutschland rather than 'Mürika's standard 911. I vote we all agree worldwide to use 900, 999, 666, or 100. 999 and 666 are best because they're easily memorable and can be typed quickly; I like 666, but other people won't and 999 is easier because it's the lower-right) 20:57:04 999 was rejected by GSM body due to being easy to accidentally dial 20:57:07 (Current numbers in each country would be a standard redirect to the new one) 20:57:10 nortti: Oh right... 20:57:33 That must be why they went with 911... 20:57:42 and 112 20:58:06 nortti: 112 is easier 20:58:07 hpp: it's more or less standardized, in that the recommended number is 112 everywhere in Europe and 911 everywhere in North America 20:58:12 Ah 20:58:15 hppavilion[1]: 112 works everywhere in Europe 20:58:31 ais523: Ah. I vote 'murica adopts it as an alternate. 20:58:37 hppavilion[1]: the US uses 911 because numbers of the form x11 were used as special cases in the original US numbering system 20:58:58 yes, 112 is definitely easier to dial, at least on European phones where you can dial 112 without unlocking the key lock, because the three buttons are next to each other 20:59:04 also, I've seen 999 dialed by accident myself (it was a small child who happened to like the number 9) 20:59:11 using nonrepeating digits makes that somewhat harder 20:59:14 o.o 20:59:28 also, on a rotary phone, you have to rotate the dial the entire distance to dial a 9, 112 is much faster on one of those 20:59:32 (but nobody uses them nowadays) 20:59:57 hpp: I think 911 probably sometimes works in Europe too (from mobile phones), for compatibility 21:00:06 but it's hard to tell because you can't find out which ones work without actually calling it 21:00:19 you could get a job as an emergency communications tester 21:00:36 there are people who go around dialing 911 from every phone in the US as it's set up to make sure it's connected to the emergency system correctly 21:00:44 wob_jonas: It's the same in the US; in fact, you can dial any number without connecting on iPhone (I think; maybe it's only emergency calls or only one before logging in) 21:00:56 obviously, you need to let the dispatchers know that that's what you're doing 21:01:13 hpp: that's two different things 21:02:06 hpp: one is that you can dial emergency calls from any phone without a sim card, or with an invalid (expired) sim card, or with a valid sim card but without knowing the Pin, and in all of those cases you can't do any other calls (not even free calls) 21:03:38 but what I'm talking about is that on phones that aren't fold-out or slide-out, but have a key lock activated by a short combination of keys (or rarely, by a physical switch on the side) to avoid accidental keyopresses and butt-dialling, if the keys are locked you can still press 1 1 2 green to dial emergency. 21:03:54 112 works everywhere the GSM standard holds sway, even outside Europe. 21:04:04 this makes it very easy to call emergency services blindly, without looking at the phone, because those three buttons (1 and 2 and green) are next to each other 21:04:15 The UK uses 999 it looks like 21:04:28 we use 112 but 999 still works for backwards compatibility 21:04:28 (Even in places where the "traditional" number is something else.) 21:04:44 to the extent that hardly anyone actually knows or uses the new number 21:06:01 ais523: sure, lots of countries still have older emergency service numbers that still work. in Hungary, they're 104 for ambulance, 105 for firefighters, 107 for police (these were introduced within my lifetime, the previous ones were 04, 05, 07), 21:06:06 Finland had 000 as the nationwide emergency number when it was established. 21:06:12 I think Austria has 122, 133, 144. 21:06:25 It might still work for all I know, but the official number was changed to 112 in 1993. 21:06:34 112 is quite well advertized here so I think most people know about it, which is a good thing 21:06:45 wob_jonas: in the UK the way it works is that when you call 112, you get linked to a dispatcher who basically just asks you which emergency services you need 21:06:51 -!- Zoroaster has joined. 21:06:55 then transfers you to the individual emergency-handling department 21:07:02 mind you, some phones also have an interface that lets you call emergency services without knowing the number, although the number is easier 21:07:04 there are six, but most people only know three of them 21:07:23 (fire, police, ambulance; cave rescue, mountain rescue, coastguard) 21:07:36 ais523: sure, there are more than those three here too. I don't know how they work. 21:08:21 I don't know how many of them are and which ones they are and how the central number works (I think at some point it was connected to the police emergency line, and they'd transfer you, but that might have changed since), because luckily I've had no need to call them yet. 21:08:33 Wikipedia has some rather dubious lists of more detailed emergency numbers, which I couldn't really find citations for and find a bit suspicious. 21:08:37 we do have separate less-than-an-emergency lines, though 21:08:41 Or at least had, maybe they've cleaned up. 21:08:51 101 will contact the police for something low priority 21:08:51 ais523: wait, cave rescue? wow 21:09:19 and 111 is a triage line for when you think you have a medical emergency, but aren't sure because you aren't a doctor, and need a qualified doctor to let you know whether it's a medical emergency or not 21:09:39 (this situation comes up regularly enough to need its own number, and I've had to use it in the past) 21:09:43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers 21:10:28 In the older days, phonebooks used to have a page or two at the beginning listing dozens of useful not-quite-emergency numbers (and also the emergency numbers), but for some reason they removed those in later editions (even when phonebooks still existed) and now I don't know of an up to date list, not even online. 21:10:30 -!- Caesura has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:10:44 I think 101 has done wonders for crime reporting, because before it was introduced 21:10:59 nobody could remember how to report a crime that didn't lead to any immediate danger for anyone 21:11:04 so they probably went mostly unreported 21:11:27 Many of those numbers were not short abbreviated numbers, but normal format ones, but these days there are a lot more abbreviated numbers out there (I think there are some with six digits, seriously, although most are four digits long) 21:11:40 People often say they're a "Black belt" in e.g. Python-Fu. Clearly they aren't real programmers, as programming ranks are hex (and #000000 is the lowest rank) 21:11:52 I'd like to see a list, especially because they keep changing the short numbers very quickly a lot of times. 21:12:40 The base rank (can't do anything at all) is #000000, every time you level up you add 1 to the smallest pair, with the tiebreaker being Red before Blue before Green 21:12:52 ais523: for reporting crimes in non-emergency, we do have a number called "Tanú vonal", but I don't know its number 21:13:39 hpp: wait, #000000 is can't do anything at all? how about those people that do more harm to the code than help? 21:14:42 they have colors like the overblack that the NES has 21:14:50 (you aren't supposed to use it because TVs get confused by it) 21:15:17 basically you specify colors to analog TVs via using a range of voltages 21:15:25 overblack has a voltage beyond the black end of the range 21:15:28 hmm… ultrablack? infrablack? 21:16:39 (after looking it up) Apparently it's called "telefontanú" instead, is free to call, and has the number +3680555111 21:17:07 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:17:09 * wob_jonas writes that up in his phone 21:17:52 wob_jonas: is +3680 significant/memorable in any way? I assume at least some of the leading digits refer to Hungary 21:18:22 ais523: +36 is Hungary, +3680 followed by 6 digits are free to call numbers 21:18:55 aha 21:19:17 so the only bit that isn't structural is a fairly memorable 555111 21:19:43 +3690 or +3681 followed by 6 digits are premium rate numbers, their rate per call or rate per minute can be determined from the next three digits using a step function you have to look up in documentation. 21:20:35 -!- Kobalt has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:20:51 The 80 bit is somewhat standard, I think 80 or 800 are used as the are code for free to call numbers in some other countries too 21:21:37 800 is the area code used in the North American Dialing Plan. 21:21:45 Erm, Numbering Plan. 21:21:50 yes, UK prefix for a free to call number is 0800 21:22:01 And "1-900" for premium-rate services, I believe. (In the USA, I mean.) 21:22:03 and the leading 0 is structural 21:22:06 fizzie: Yes. 21:22:23 (Where the '1' was the characteristically humble country code.) 21:22:24 (it's basically the equivalent of a leading / in a path) 21:22:31 Except that's not US-specific... 21:22:40 these free to call numbers are sometimes called "zöld szám" in Hungary by the way 21:22:57 some of the abbreviated numbers (which these days all start with 1, but some used to start with 0 or 9) are also free to call 21:22:57 I can't guess what Hungarian means by looking at it :-P 21:23:06 The NPNA is used by like a couple dozen countries. 21:23:16 I can't guess what Hungarian means even if Finnish is technically related. 21:23:19 what I wish for is there to be a consistent way to call Hungarian abbreviated numbers from abroad, but I don't think there is one 21:23:40 some of the abbreviated numbers have long equivalents, but not in a systematic relation 21:23:44 (US, Canada, and the Carribean) 21:24:47 fizzie: I saw an experiment on that where they gave some Hungarians in the room some Finnish to try to decode 21:24:59 none of them could figure it out, but they started to see the connections when they were explained 21:25:24 so from this small amount of anecdotal evidence I conclude that the languages are related, but only tenuously 21:25:37 ais523: yes, the two languages are too far to be even partly intelligable. 21:25:46 -!- `^_^v has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 21:25:50 the relationship is more in the grammar system 21:26:02 reading Middle English can be fun 21:26:10 Finnish and Estonian work better that way. 21:26:15 it's pretty alien, especially in the spelling, but you can often figure out what it means 21:26:38 They are both Uralic languages, and even Finno-Ugric, but that doesn't help too much. 21:26:45 as opposed to figuring out Swedish from German, which is much easier 21:27:10 English and German are both Germanic languages, and even not *that* far apart, but going from English to German can be pretty mystifying without study. 21:27:34 English is only partly Germanic 21:27:44 it has large Romance influence too 21:28:04 this is part of the reason the vocabulary is so large, it's basically glued two different language families together 21:28:05 English is 100% Germanic, at least from a language family sense. 21:28:14 But it has, yes, huge Romance influence. 21:28:14 (the grammar/structural components are mostly Germanic though) 21:28:32 It's also got huge influence from a *different branch* of the Germanic family. 21:28:53 It's West Germanic, but with vocabulary and grammatical changes adopted from North Germanic. 21:28:53 also, obviously how easy it is to understand a language from another depends a lot on the topic discussed and even the writing style, because those can influence how much of the vocabulary is related 21:28:55 100% Germanic, not from concentrate. 21:29:19 if you talk about modern topics like computers, there are more likely to be words that were loaned recently from English or Latin or Greek 21:29:49 or that were just outright invented 21:30:27 yes, invented and then borrowed from English 21:31:05 hmm, I was just checking Wiktionary to see if the urban legend about the word "quiz" having been invented for a bet is true 21:31:30 and if you're reading French about technical topics, then it can depend a lot on the writer how many English-derived words they use 21:31:30 apparently there's no evidence behind that theory but there isn't evidence behind any of the other theories either 21:31:34 ais523: it's mostly true 21:31:36 so I guess it's possibly true but probably not 21:31:43 iirc 21:32:27 Wikipedia says that the timeline is wrong (the bet is commonly alleged to have happened in 1791, but the word was used in 1781) 21:34:43 -!- Siniestro has quit (Quit: Olfateamos muchas cosas entre prisas diariamente son verdades deliciosas y verdades pestilentes.). 21:36:34 Another useful non-emergency phone number is +3640374636 (branded as +3640DRINFO) which you can call for non-emergency medical problems to find out which clinic you should go to for urgent or non-urgent problems of any kind, based on the type of problem, time, and where you live. 21:38:03 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 22:04:05 Can you call +36403762746 to find out which pills to eat? 22:04:41 for a good time call +1-202-762-1069 22:06:22 fizzie: they can tell you the information in the public description of all medicine products and on interactions (you can also find these on their webpage at http://dr.info.hu/drinfo/pid/0/medicine ), but they probably won't give you a diagnosis and will sometimes tell you to ask a doctor or pharmacist instead 22:07:28 I don't really know how much medical information they will give you 22:07:29 apparently nobody sees pharmacists nowadays 22:07:41 at least, I went to a pharmacist for a question which was definitely in their domain 22:07:50 and they answered it, but seemed surprised and happy that I hadn't just gone to a doctor 22:07:58 their homepage does have some medical information 22:08:18 wob_jonas: That's why I suggested +3640DRMARIO instead. 22:08:42 ais523: Yeah, very few people will just ask a pharmacist about things like drug interactions. 22:08:49 Which is literally their job and domain of expertise. 22:09:05 ais523: yes, that's my experience too, people (including me) rarely ask questions from pharmacists 22:09:14 in my case, I was asking whether it was safe to end a course of a drug early if it wasn't having the hoped-for effect, or whether it was one for which I needed to take the whole course 22:09:37 There's also one in Colorado. 22:09:47 The questions I usually ask about them is which is the cheapest product equivalent to some other product. 22:09:58 ais523: Seems reasonable. 22:10:46 Mind you, it may help now that I have a doctor as a brother and I can ask questions to him. 22:12:06 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 22:14:04 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 22:18:48 -!- sewilton has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 22:19:03 -!- espes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:23:47 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:26:15 <\oren\> they should just have made one of the emergency numbers 8675309 22:26:35 -!- Zoroaster has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:26:44 \oren\: why? 22:26:53 -!- Zoroaster has joined. 22:27:06 wob_jonas, it's easy to remember 22:27:16 <\oren\> becuase everyone knows that number from the song 22:27:37 I don't. That song was never popular here. 22:28:12 <\oren\> well, in places where that song was popular, then 22:28:20 I've never heard the song. 22:28:22 But I know the number. 22:29:08 People can remember the emergency numbers because they're written on a lot of places that are easy to notice: on lots of emergency vehicles, near public payphones, on some police buildings, on websites, etc. 22:29:34 (And from phonebooks, for old people like me.) 22:29:43 I don't know if there's a song for them. Maybe there should be. 22:29:56 There are probably instruction videos. 22:30:34 I think I've seen signs advertizing the emergency numbers in other public places too, often together with other useful information about emergency procedures.. 22:31:31 -!- espes has joined. 22:31:46 Like, signs that say that if there's a fire in this building, call some number it gives which is the phone number of the maintainer for that public building or call 112; the sign also sometimes tells you what information you should report. 22:33:30 I don't know if it's written on emergency vehicles here; what payphones?; I don't think it's writen on police buildings either 22:33:35 at least not particularly prominenty 22:33:48 Agree about emergency signs though 22:34:25 Like the ones in public buildings pointing out where emergency exits are and what way to take and such 22:34:41 FireFly: and websites too. like, see the two big numbers on http://www.police.hu/ ? 22:35:19 Sure, I'll give you websites too 22:35:45 https://polisen.se/ ← yeah, here too apparently. makes sense 22:35:52 not quite as prominent though 22:36:19 I also hope teachers teach these kinds of useful things in elementary schools and high schools, but I don't follow what schools do these days. 22:36:29 Yeah, definitely 22:36:58 Obviously that doesn't help older adults when a lot of these information needs updated. 22:37:02 Oh, and 22:38:59 the majority of adults here have a driver's license, and unless you've got it many decades ago, a driver's license requires a course and exam on first aid procedures and other procedures to be followed in case of an accident, and that definitely requires knowing how to call the police and ambulance 22:39:42 There's also television. Many people still watch television, and television also tells about this sort of thing sometimes. 22:40:13 At least if you listen to the news programs, not only TV series. 22:40:17 So television and radio probably helps a lot too. 22:41:10 One of the annoying things about English is comparative adjectives 22:41:50 hpp: be more specific? 22:41:57 wob_jonas: Working on it 22:42:06 When I first saw the words used by Wiktionary, it was that (usually) -est is the Superlative (the most adjectival), which I knew 22:43:00 And that (usually) -er (used to say something more adjectivial, but not necessarily the most) is the... "comparative"? 22:43:19 yes 22:43:23 -!- copumpkin has joined. 22:44:44 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:46:30 let's hear a story 22:47:18 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:49:23 -!- Kobalt has joined. 22:54:28 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2). 22:55:54 Kobalt: did you kill your master 22:59:37 -!- Zoroaster has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:06:35 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:07:59 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:08:12 -!- makellite has joined. 23:12:50 -!- Zoroaster has joined. 23:12:55 -!- ais523 has quit. 23:14:45 hello world :) 23:15:27 -!- makellite has left. 23:15:27 `WeLcOmE makellite 23:15:29 MaKeLlItE: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: . (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.) 23:15:42 oops 23:15:58 lol 23:23:15 `? lol 23:23:16 lol stands for laughing out legends 23:24:15 `dowg lol 23:24:17 2015-06-24 le/rn lol/lol stands for laughing out legends 23:24:25 i don't get it 23:24:41 shachaf: it's probably out of your league 23:24:48 i get that part 23:25:06 it's combining, i guess, "laughing out loud" and "league of legends" 23:25:07 that's fine 23:25:15 but i don't get it 23:25:17 yes. you expect there to be more to it? 23:25:29 i expect it to not exist if that's all there is to it 23:26:08 shocking 23:27:26 `mkx le/rm//rm "wisdom/$1" 23:27:28 le/rm 23:27:29 `le/rm lol 23:27:31 No output. 23:28:00 `ln -sf ../bin/forget le/rm 23:28:01 ln: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ln --help' for more information. 23:28:05 `` ln -sf ../bin/forget le/rm 23:28:07 No output. 23:28:19 `le/rm lol 23:28:19 rm: cannot remove `wisdom/lol': No such file or directory \ Forget what? 23:35:31 -!- Moonythedwarf has joined. 23:35:36 `wisdom 0 23:35:38 hax0r//hax0r (see ¯\(°​_o)/¯) 23:35:46 `wisdom 1 23:35:47 1*1//1*1 is two. 23:35:49 `wisdom 2 23:35:50 ais523//Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. 23:36:07 `wisdom 3 23:36:08 usb3//USB3 hosts are packaged with a full independent implementation of the older USB/USB2, going through separate pins in the same socket. It is similar to DVI, except you need a separate passive converter stub to plug VGA monitor to DVI socket, but you don't need one to plug a USB client to an USB3 host. 23:36:30 `wisdom 4 23:36:31 4chan//4chan is twice as loud as stereo. 23:36:35 `wisdom 5 23:36:36 md5//MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens. 23:36:42 `wisdom 6 23:36:43 2600//2600 Hz is the tone made by Captain Crunch's whistle. 23:36:48 `wisdom 7 23:36:49 1337//1337 15 50 905 23:36:52 `wisdom 8 23:36:53 -!- wob_jonas has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 23:36:54 footnote 8//Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes? 23:36:59 `wisdom 9 23:37:00 hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2//hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2 23:37:05 `wisdom 10 23:37:06 cat: : No such file or directory \ // 23:37:10 `wisdom 11 23:37:12 cat: : No such file or directory \ // 23:37:14 `wisdom 12 23:37:15 hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2//hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2 23:37:19 `wisdom 13 23:37:20 1337//1337 15 50 905 23:37:24 `wisdom 14 23:37:25 cat: : No such file or directory \ // 23:37:55 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:37:55 Please stop spamming. 23:38:20 Not just right now but in general. 23:38:22 * oerjan wonders if that 905 is meaningless or not 23:38:53 `dowg 1337 23:38:54 2015-11-23 learn 1337 15 50 905 23:39:00 don't we all 23:39:04 i was a bit surprised that it got through all digits without repeating a wisdom 23:39:32 shachaf: i suppose we'll never know, then. 23:40:02 `? effilry 23:40:03 Effilry is eemnoos how ahs got it all deorst otu. 23:40:34 I find that "cat: : No such file or directory \ //" behavior on error a little... less polished. Needs more PE. 23:41:15 PE? 23:41:21 shachaf: Product excellence. 23:41:38 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 23:41:42 hi hppavilion[1] 23:42:07 Helloon 23:42:22 `hoag bin/wisdom 23:42:24 ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); { echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; } | rnooodl\' > bin/wisdom \ ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; rnooodl < "$f"\' > bin/wisdom \ ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom - 23:42:32 I seem to have dropped out of a spiel I was in the middle of 23:42:41 About comparative adjectives in english 23:43:00 comparative adjectives are the most bester 23:43:31 When I first saw the words used to describe relative adjectives used by wiktionary, I saw -est is for "superlative", which I knew- it is the most adjectivial thing 23:43:42 But then I saw -er is for "comparative", which I'd never heard 23:44:05 i think that's just your problem hth 23:44:35 And it bugged me at first because if -er- which is for a more, but not necessarily the most, adjectivial thing- what is for a less adjectivial thing? The word "comparative" applies to any relative difference, not just increase 23:44:38 positive, comparative, superlative are the three used in english. 23:44:49 oerjan: Never heard positive 23:45:00 And then it hit me, something I'd missed my whole life: English doesn't /have/ a way to say "less" 23:45:08 hppavilion[1]: well it's the default form so rarely noted specifically. 23:45:13 Ah 23:45:21 Sure, you can use antonyms ('bigger/smaller'), but that just doesn't feel right any more 23:45:40 unbigger 23:46:18 Especially because for more obscure adjectives, their properest antonym might not be available- so you'd have to use a propere... shit. See? Do you see the problem? 23:46:33 shachaf: Well yeah, sure 23:46:33 hppavilion[1]: i haven't yet learned of any language which has an inflection for "less", as opposed to using an auxiliary word. but there's probably some. 23:46:46 oerjan: It should be ALL that have inflections. 23:46:59 (and while we're at it, one for equal) 23:47:20 `` sed -i -e 's/{/if [ -n "$f" ]; then/;s/} |/else echo "that'\''s not wise"; fi |/' bin/wisdom 23:47:21 hppavilion[1]: but it isn't. we've probably inherited this mess from PIE. 23:47:22 No output. 23:47:27 Well yeah 23:47:51 `wisdom 11 23:47:52 that's not wise 23:48:12 `wisdom forty 23:48:13 forty//forty means "in a fort-like manner" 23:48:22 That's at least a little better. 23:48:24 `wisdom taneb 23:48:25 tanebventory//The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel. 23:48:28 You can say "Your house is big" and "this cavern is big", but are they /equally/ big? 23:48:41 -!- hydraz has changed nick to hydPaz. 23:48:45 `wisdom taneb 23:48:46 tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms. 23:48:56 `wisdom taneb 23:48:57 people who taneb is not//elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond 23:48:59 `sled bin/wisdom//s/that/That/;s/wise/wise./ 23:49:01 bin/wisdom//f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl 23:49:51 `` rgrep -li really wisdom 23:49:58 wisdom/zygohistomorphic prepromorphism \ wisdom/piet \ wisdom/oklopol \ wisdom/tanebventory \ wisdom/god's number \ wisdom/vorpal \ wisdom/inory 23:50:11 `? god's number 23:50:12 God's number is the maximum number of moves a Rubik's cube can require to solve. It is equal to 20. No, really. Look it up. 23:50:16 boring 23:50:24 `? vorpal 23:50:25 Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones. 23:50:38 boring 23:50:44 (Oh, what the hell. We need ALL the equalities and inequalities) 23:50:53 actually come to think of it, i don't know any language inflections for comparison that aren't the indo-european ones. 23:51:14 i think most people either know what god's number is, or expect quarter turn metrics 23:51:21 in which case god's number is 24 23:51:22 ...scratch that, i know hungarian. which afaik also has 3 levels. 23:51:39 You know Hungarian? 23:51:41 (-bb, leg-...-bb) 23:51:48 thats not vorpal, this is vorpal: https://github.com/dthree/vorpal 23:51:54 shachaf: well the affixes for comparison, anyway. 23:51:59 ah no it's 26 in qtm 23:52:09 quan tum mechanics 23:52:09 and some other cruft. 23:52:15 `? oerjan 23:52:16 Your mysterious evil overlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 23:52:18 shachaf: quarter turn metrics 23:52:24 -!- digin4 has joined. 23:52:43 `slwd oerjan//s#overlord kommisjonær#hungarian oerlord# 23:52:45 wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious evil hungarian oerlord immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it. 23:53:37 oerjan: There's the "-ish" adjectival inflection, that's a little like "less". Big, bigger, biggest -- but just moderately biggish. 23:54:23 Well, of course there are diminutives and things. 23:54:29 But those aren't used for comparison. 23:55:55 hppavilion[1]: anyway as for using antonyms, did you know russian has an entire inflection category (verb aspect) that is _always_ formed by changing to a distinct verb? and although it's often done with some prefix, it's not predictable which one. 23:59:21 ("x is adj-er than y" is x > y; "x is the adj-est X" is max(X) = x; additional inflections must be added for: x < y; min(X) = x; x ≤ y; x ≥ y x ≪ y; x ≫ y; x = y; x ≠ y; x ≈ y; x ≉ y; x ≡ y; x := y; x ≟ y ("x isn't even related to y what the hell are you talking about"))