00:00:11 hppavilion[1]: but does he pirate movies from his boat 00:00:33 oerjan: Twi. 00:00:33 boily: (that means yes) 00:00:36 oh. 00:00:37 oerjan: Not usually, no, but he would if he had WiFi on it 00:00:42 never heard of. 00:00:48 Oh, what's the riddle? 00:00:49 Twifi 00:01:03 TwiPie 00:01:09 hppavilion[1]: today's linguistic porthello hth 00:01:18 Ah, sure 00:01:34 (maadwoerjan) 00:02:08 scott aaronson finally posting again 00:02:26 apparently it has the [ɥ] phoneme. it's a good phoneme. 00:02:30 . o O ( Are there any bots here that could be made to play the "Who/what am I?" game? ) 00:02:34 who's scott aaronson? 00:02:41 hppavilion[1]: there are. 00:02:50 fungot: Am I alive? 00:02:51 hppavilion[1]: i printed and bound a copy of a networking book for fnord.. 00:03:04 boily: Oooh, which ones? 00:03:42 boily: mathematician doing things like studying quantum computation and blogging http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/ 00:03:54 hppavilion[1]: can't remember, but there are 20-questions-like bots out there. 00:04:13 hppavilion[1]: e.g. https://github.com/rawsonj/triviabot 00:04:18 Yeah, but it needs to be very #esoteric 00:04:31 "Am I the Riemann zeta function?" 00:04:42 fungot: do you have non-trivial zeroes? 00:04:42 boily: there might be small differences in " alla ska tala bra svenska", as i write the gui using qt and do the longjmp atomically. if you 00:05:30 hppavilion[1]: i recall old #initgame at EFNet had such a game, although it didn't use a bot. 00:05:39 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:05:41 not sure if it still exists 00:05:43 Ah, yes 00:05:50 (that was back in 1990s) 00:07:57 fungot: din svenska er riktigt bra tdh 00:07:57 oerjan: you always want to declare the equivalent of /dev/ hda is a different bot. 00:08:05 *är 00:08:09 better than mine, anyway 00:08:46 hm it must have been before 1996 00:08:47 fungot: c'est quoi un "alla ska tala bra svenska"? ça sonne louche. 00:08:47 boily: firebird has an extension to the reals must be isomorphic to peano numbers. to represent inexacts. 00:09:15 that's what i get for looking at a line of irc without looking at who wrote it 00:10:02 shachaf: wat 00:10:26 oerjan: i tried to make sense of fungotese tdnh 00:10:26 shachaf: see cluelessness in a lesser state: 00:10:30 exactly 00:10:37 indeed tdnh 00:11:45 "Hitler often doubted whether Czechs were Aryan or not" -- Wikipedia 00:12:04 "The question of whether Italians were Aryan enough was questioned by the Nazi racial theorists." 00:16:40 -!- keemyb has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:18:48 -!- augur has joined. 00:37:51 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:41:33 -!- augur has joined. 00:51:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:58:21 -!- augur has joined. 00:58:42 I take as granted that people here have seen SmallTalk80|Squeak blocks, yes? 00:59:55 http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/dissertation/html/wheeler-trusting-trust-ddc.html I look at this a bit (haven't read it entirely, yet), and actually even before looking at that document and hearing/reading the issues involved, I have thought of other ways. Such as, write a BASIC interpreter in C and a C compiler in BASIC; and possibly, make a program that does not actually produce an executable but instead something else such as writing the 01:00:46 zzo38: your message got cut off at: else such as writing the 01:01:12 nstead something else such as writing the file out backwards 01:02:47 Zarutian: at least ais523 must, since Feather is supposed to be based on smalltalk 01:03:29 zzo38: well another way is to do an Initial Program Load by hand and load in a Forth. Then use that to load a small C compiler written in Forth. Then use that C compiler to compile a bigger one. 01:03:37 oerjan: good afternoerjan 01:03:58 chaflom. 01:04:24 oerjan: I took me a while to notice that there were no control flow statements in that Smalltalk at all. 01:04:30 `wisdom 01:04:31 `wisdom 01:04:31 `wisdom 01:04:31 alpha//Alpha is the numeric measurement of opaqueness, a dog with unusually high voice in the Disney-Pixar Up film, and a NATO phonetic alphabet letteral. 01:04:32 `wisdom 01:04:33 tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater. 01:04:33 studie//Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study. 01:04:33 `wisdom 01:04:33 drone//drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. 01:04:34 at//At is a daemon for procrastinating commands. 01:04:35 oerjan: Was that a kiflom? 01:04:43 prooftechnique: what? 01:04:58 I'm almost certain that a tadpole is just a shorter pole 01:05:09 oerjan: The chaflom 01:05:19 Zarutian: Yes, there is another, like that. 01:06:13 prooftechnique: i don't understand the question hth 01:06:57 They mention hardware stuff too in that document. I have actually thought of such things before, and try to think of if there are ways that compatible computer systems can be built out of parts by throwing dice to decide how to do it, somehow. 01:06:58 `slwd tadpole//s/.$/, and also a tad shorter./ 01:06:59 wisdom/tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater, and also a tad shorter. 01:07:30 oerjan: Kiflom is a greeting and general exclamation used by fictional cultists in Grand Theft Auto. I was curious if your response to "good afternoerjan" was a reference to that. It seems that it wasn't, so now I'm left curious about it. 01:07:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:07:57 prooftechnique: i was just doing some obvious mangling of shachaf and shalom hth 01:07:59 With FPGAs, there is IceStorm for one thing, at least. 01:09:15 re the smalltalk blocks: structurally it is basically an sequence of invocations plus the arg vars defined between ||'s at the start of the block 01:09:23 Ah, that also makes sense. 01:10:09 (smalltalk blocks looked like [ | varA breyta2 | ble doIt: varA ; ble doIt: breyta2 ] ) 01:12:09 -!- augur has joined. 01:14:03 zzo38: the real question is, how did the compiler sabetour get access to the compiler binary? 01:14:37 (on the machine where it is used and not necsirarly where it was produced) 01:15:20 O, yes, there is that too 01:21:39 access control in computers (where the subjects are processes and the objects are various stuff that needs to be accessible to some but perhaps not all subjects) is something I have looked into rather extensively 01:26:05 -!- moonythedwarf has joined. 01:27:02 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 01:27:19 smalltalk is great. i dont know why it never really caught on 01:28:02 imagine a world where a type of smalltalk was used everywhere java is now 01:28:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:33:34 So on the days of christmas 01:35:20 Does the singer receive- in total- 1 partridge in a pear tree, two turtle doves, three french hens, 4 calling birsd, 5 golden rings, 6 geese a-laying, 7 swans a-swimming, 8 maids a-milking, 9 ladies dancing, 10 lords a-leaping, 11 pipers piping, and 12 drummers drumming 01:37:25 That's on the 12th day 01:38:51 hppavilion[1]: 12 partridges, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golden rings, 42 geese, 42 swans, 40 maids, 36 ladies... wait, isn't that the wrong order 01:39:33 hm nope 01:39:34 * moonythedwarf grabs a sort() 01:39:44 oerjan: something seems wrong there hth 01:40:07 shachaf: i've been mixing up the last four :( 01:40:38 Or 12 partridges in 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golen rings, 42(!!!) swans a-swimming, 40 maids a-milking, 36 ladies dancing, 30 lords a-leaping, 22 pipers piping, 12 drummers drumming? 01:40:41 did you see https://twitter.com/luqui/status/770725569151447041 01:40:50 (Yes, oerjan beat me, but I wasn't going to give up on my typing 01:41:01 p. good huh 01:41:14 hppavilion[1]: you also forgot the geese hth 01:41:37 oerjan: fortunately you're a geeser 01:41:42 -!- augur has joined. 01:41:49 Ah, yes, 42 geese a-laying 01:41:51 (!!!) 01:41:59 :t (!!!) 01:42:00 error: 01:42:00 • Variable not in scope: !!! 01:42:00 • Perhaps you meant ‘!!’ (imported from Data.List) 01:42:03 shocking 01:42:07 maybe i shouldn't make fun of oerjan's age 01:42:10 exclamating. 01:42:18 what does oerjan think 01:42:36 it's illogical since i'm not 42 anymore hth 01:43:06 Now to calculate the price... 01:43:14 (well, looks like someone already did) 01:44:36 Totals at 376 (364 if you consider "partridge in a pear tree" to be a single gift, but it's clearly two separate gifts) 01:44:56 a partridge in a pear tree is one gift 01:45:01 Is there any mathematical significance to 364(+1=365)? 01:45:17 No, it's two- the partridge and pear tree are two separate items, they're just bundled into one 01:45:31 just be glad the pears are not in season or you'd have to count them hth 01:45:32 (Is this going to be one of those things that can trigger flame wars like "couple" or "."? 01:45:33 ) 01:45:39 Ah, yes 01:45:40 > sum [i*(12-i) | i <- [1..12]] 01:45:43 286 01:45:50 shachaf: No, 13-i 01:45:57 > sum [i*(13-i) | i <- [1..12]] 01:46:00 364 01:46:03 thx tdh 01:46:07 spot of the convolution, governor? 01:46:07 how are they separate if they're bundled? 01:46:08 You receive gifts on the 12th day too 01:46:21 -!- boily has quit (Quit: MOUNTAINEER CHICKEN). 01:46:32 deltab: They come together, but you could regift the Partridge and Pear Tree to different people 01:46:34 it's certainly convoluted. 01:48:52 ...huh, the "5 gold rings" might actually be a type of bird (a "ring-necked pheasant") 01:49:36 There's a town in Alaska called "Chicken" 01:49:50 They have been gearing up for war with Turkey for the last 8 months 01:50:41 i wonder how useful a pair of 10D scissors would be 01:51:01 moonythedwarf: There are different types of scissors!? 01:51:47 you know, *holds up a 4 dimensional pair, and snips hppavilion[1]'s day in half with it*, like those 01:52:10 Oh 01:52:19 OH 10-dimensional scissors 01:52:26 Wait, are there 3-dimensional scissors in 4D? 01:52:57 /shrug *snips more off of hppavilion[1]'s day* 01:54:20 I was looking up "on the 18th day of christmas" 01:54:39 I was suggested "bleeding on the 18th day of menstrual cycle" 01:54:48 lol 01:54:48 Please see a doctor if you ever consider googling that. 01:54:50 It is not supposed to be "4 calling birds", it is supposed to be "colly birds" (black), and there is twelve lords leaping, and the rings are actual rings and not birds. 01:56:04 Ah, really? 01:56:13 zzo38: oh you've also heard the lords last? 01:56:24 hm i guess it's just one of the variations, then. 01:56:26 Yes, it is supposed to be twelve 01:56:31 Wikipedia disagrees 01:57:12 oerjan: Yeah, the last four can be rearranged however you wnat 01:57:47 Ooh, 12 = "bells a-ringing" 11 = "ladies spinning" is a nice combo 01:58:20 Twelve lords is the proper way. Ten lords is a very common varation. 01:58:22 making an esolang is impossible when you can't get any feedback >.> 01:58:30 10 = "asses racing" per Sharp 1905 01:59:18 Wikipedia uses 10 lords 02:00:09 Well, they are wrong; it is supposed to be twelve. 02:00:47 APNG: people have seen so many lousy esolangs that you have to explain why your language is more interesting than average before they bother to look hth 02:01:23 oerjan, its goal is to become an IR or IL for my 'real' language 02:01:24 * oerjan isn't looking too often these days, either. 02:02:32 I only call it an esolang because it's not meant to be used directly 02:03:22 even I don't know how to use it, personally .-. 02:03:31 altho it's in a really unfinished state I guess... 02:05:16 https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl 02:05:23 "Prexcl is an esoteric proof-of-concept programming language. It's being used to test some concepts for Voxcl." 02:05:44 version 0.0.3 02:06:18 On the pith day of christmas 02:06:31 it's line-based too so that makes it a pain to REPL :/ 02:07:00 (would love to REPL it) 02:08:36 Voxcl is what anyways? 02:09:13 "On the 47th day of Christmas stderr gave to me: G" 02:12:01 "On the 404th day of christmas my browser gave to me: ε" 02:12:33 zzo38: Who decides what's the proper way and what's a variation? 02:12:46 zzo38: you seem to be arguing for wikipedia's 1780 version; note that it did not have the modern melody. 02:13:30 the first instance of the modern melody had lords 10th. 02:15:15 -!- keemyb has joined. 02:15:54 (1909 version) 02:18:31 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( What is the opposite of a Purity Ring? ) 02:19:23 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: a wedding ring obviously 02:19:45 \oren\: No, a wedding ring is the level up from a purity ring 02:19:54 zzo38, the other language I'm making, for use by humans 02:19:55 Purity ring is "promising to remain abstinent until marriage" 02:19:59 general-purpose-ish 02:20:06 mostly oriented towards autistic ppl 02:20:14 (such as myself) 02:20:36 there are programming languages _not_ oriented toward autistic people? 02:20:51 that actually work? 02:21:16 oerjan, yes 02:21:18 the C preprocessor 02:21:36 APNG: Oooh, I want to know :) 02:21:43 I was spectrum until the DSM-V 02:22:03 hppavilion[1], huh? 02:22:13 APNG: Language for autistic people 02:22:17 so it's not this you wanna know about? http://jhnet.co.uk/articles/cpp_magic 02:22:25 No 02:22:54 (And let's be honest, I'll probably be spectrum again in the DSM VI because someone's probably going to protest the change) 02:23:04 hppavilion[1], what change? 02:23:25 APNG: The DSM-V reclassified Asperger's as not autism 02:24:07 Wait 02:24:11 uh, last I checked the DSM-V removed asperger's diagnosis and made autism include what was previously asperger's 02:24:18 Wikipedia is saying the exact opposite 02:24:23 APNG: Huh, I guess I was wrong 02:24:54 x-ray autism 02:25:19 hppavilion[1], so uh random question do you stim often? 02:25:28 @wn stim 02:25:31 No match for "stim". 02:26:39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming 02:27:17 I love sound stims btw 02:27:32 Knuckle cracking may count; I do it pretty much obsessively (often only a few minutes after I've already done it, thus meaning there's no result) 02:27:51 ah 02:27:58 But not particularly otherwise 02:28:09 APNG: Is this language something like Lojban? 02:28:16 . o O ( hm is that why i keep chewing my tongue ) 02:28:49 hppavilion[1], lojban? 02:28:59 hppavilion[1], uh, well 02:29:05 I'm not sure if you can call voxcl a "language" 02:29:10 APNG: It's a spoken language designed to be 100% unambiguous 02:30:38 APNG: How so? 02:30:47 It said "for use by humans" 02:30:56 hppavilion[1], yes, for use by humans 02:31:01 (Wait, you mean a natural language, don't you?) 02:31:04 no 02:31:15 it's similar to piet 02:31:18 but user friendly 02:31:27 and stuff 02:32:40 (voxcl is, at least... prexcl is uh... definitely not...) 02:33:06 (at least not in its current form) 02:33:13 "The first rule of time travel is that any and all modifications made to the timeline result in Hitler winning World War II. Run over a hippy in 1968? Hitler wins." 02:33:17 Oh :( 02:41:06 hppavilion[1], I'll need testers for it too :P 02:41:25 but if I get prexcl functional enough, it'll be much easier to develop voxcl 02:43:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:50:44 question about te standards here 02:50:44 ~>solve math.js pi*(8^8i) 02:50:45 [21:38.55] 5.2707178533289135e+7i 02:50:59 is that enough to be at minimum a bit useful? 02:51:01 :P 02:57:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:02:05 > pi*(8**(0:+8)) 03:02:08 (-1.8842672676782886) :+ (-2.5137902189812014) 03:02:36 hm nope 03:02:51 > pi*(0:+8^8) 03:02:53 0.0 :+ 5.2707178533289135e7 03:04:41 looks like my bot at least knows better formatting :P 03:08:19 anyone here used the CAS Cocoa5? 03:22:22 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 03:32:14 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:38:34 The Other Side is a fun episode of Stargate 03:41:45 yeah 03:42:07 Very good episode 03:43:17 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 17.65 832 nuke 03:43:17 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 2109.44126407687 03:50:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_budget_film is one thing 03:50:58 I want to see a negative budget film 03:52:37 lol 03:54:28 * moonythedwarf grabs the 4D scissors again 03:55:26 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: that would I guess be a film where people are actively taking money from you because you're making it 03:55:50 \oren\: Yeah? 03:56:01 Though you could also make profit via negative remuneration 04:00:58 -!- moonythedwarf has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:06:07 "There's no [i] in \"I\"" 04:06:27 -!- FireFly has joined. 04:08:06 \oren\: a budget is how much you spend, not how much people give you, i think 04:08:26 so it's a movie where people give you money to make it. seems reasonable. 04:10:39 How does one indicate that an equation is to be yelled? 04:13:05 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: Goodbye). 04:14:58 By specifying "yell" on it. How this is done it depend on the context 04:23:38 -!- FireFly has joined. 04:29:28 whoa whoa whoa, FireFly is freenode/staff? 04:29:39 Yup 04:30:52 Only since fairly recently, though 04:31:42 Congrefly 04:31:53 sf\ffFf 04:32:51 nice regex, that 04:32:53 and thanks 04:33:04 the regex is just \f 04:33:09 -!- Guest26671 has joined. 04:33:18 Yes, but deceivingly using f as the separator 04:33:23 i guess freenode decided to HireFly 04:33:39 I guess so 04:34:28 Hmm 04:35:27 i'm guessing they're not paying you, though 04:37:53 zzo38: Would "Bands with Other Bandits" be a good ability? 04:38:30 yeah, it's just volunteer stuff I guess 04:38:36 i would HireFly at that price 04:38:54 what do you do? 04:39:49 Who, me? 04:39:53 bit of everything, though most of it is "support"-style stuff 04:39:59 Oh, FireFly. 04:47:32 -!- Guest26671 has left. 04:47:59 `? firefly 04:48:00 FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. 04:48:08 can't argue with that 05:05:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:06:52 . o O ( this is a fiendish plot to avoid my swattings ) 05:07:18 What is? 05:07:43 shachaf: getting staffed hth 05:08:03 Wait, getting staffed lets you avoid swatting? 05:08:20 Hmm, FireFly is an op in here now. 05:10:30 wait, is he 05:10:51 5 freenode-staff +AFRefiorstv [modified 4y 11w 2d ago] 05:11:30 does that really work? 05:11:36 -!- augur has joined. 05:11:37 Does it not work? 05:11:40 If not, why is it in there? 05:11:46 well it's not his account name is it 05:12:13 Oh, I figured it was special somehow. 05:12:14 shachaf: because of freenode's policy of putting lapsed founderships there 05:12:24 it's been there for a long time 05:12:37 since andreou got deregistered, maybe 05:14:18 (note the F flag) 05:14:59 of course, i don't know what powers arbitrary staff has 05:15:22 perhaps he can just tell chanserv to op him anywhere 05:16:01 Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list. 05:16:11 WELL 05:16:28 i'm skeptical that it matters. 05:16:46 maybe you should swat him and see what happens hth 05:16:59 what do you think about fft 05:17:22 it's fast, it's furry, it's transformational. 05:17:29 was i close? 05:17:31 fancy fourier transform 05:17:39 pretty close 05:17:59 I went to conal's talk about it the other day: http://conal.net/talks/generic-fft.pdf 05:18:14 okay 05:18:28 It's a neat trick. 05:18:37 But maybe I don't fully understand it. 05:19:04 * oerjan doesn't really know what the trick is, he just knows fourier transforms in general. and has forgotten most of the proof details. 05:19:14 What do you do if you want to do FFT of a prime size? 05:19:36 work in Z/(pZ) 05:20:00 fourier transforms work in any locally compact abelian group. 05:20:25 oerjan: The trick seems to be that if you do an FFT of size N*M, you can do a nested FFT of size M and N. 05:20:32 But a bunch of things cancel out so you can do less work. 05:20:37 ...ok 05:20:48 Or something. 05:21:03 well that's just taking product of groups 05:21:18 assuming M and N are relatively prime 05:21:37 It works for any M and N. 05:21:46 Though there's a special version that uses relatively prime M and N. 05:21:52 aha 05:21:58 But often people use a power of 2, and one of M or N is 2. 05:23:09 s-or-and- 05:23:33 shachaf: There is no "Bandit" subtype I think? 05:23:42 zzo38: That's true, but there is a Bandit card. 05:23:47 So they could probably add the subtype. 05:23:56 If such a subtype is added, then, possibly (if the card to surround might help) 05:24:12 Or they could add a Bandit supertype. 05:24:52 Neither seems needed to me actually 05:25:06 I guess they could just add a Bandit type, in that case. 05:25:19 That also doesn't seem right 05:25:30 Subtype would be best if they were to add it at all. 05:28:20 Other kind of idea can be "bands with other creatures with bands with other" 05:40:45 Another thing to write might be "Whenever an object is countered, put a +1/+1 counter on ~." 05:55:31 Please review this code tell me if you see anything wrong or whatever else http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/artifact/890c961cedf74de7 05:56:02 For plain text download is http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/raw/tavernc-parser.c?name=890c961cedf74de7997707e7899fe6d3eb5cc5c5 06:05:31 Why do you use Fossil? 06:06:16 It is better than Git 06:08:09 How? 06:27:24 The program is a single file and the commands are simpler too, and it work better for "cathedral" style project, and it is just better the way I work 06:35:39 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 06:42:10 Also, it can use SQL for ticket queries. 06:46:46 -!- Moony has joined. 06:46:49 moo 06:49:32 I did find a list of what disadvantages people mentioned about Fossil, but it is from six years ago, some of the things mentioned there are no longer true, and some are actually advantages to me. Specifically, the ticketing system using SQL is good, and lacking a rich text editor is also good. "The lack of deleting anything" and "No versioning of Fossil itself" are mentioned, but are no longer true. 06:59:03 -!- yorick has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:59:11 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:15:42 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:39:28 -!- izabera has changed nick to elizabera. 07:40:03 -!- elizabera has changed nick to izabera. 07:51:22 i downloaded a movie and the video quality is perfect and the audio is fine too, but the audio track is slightly slower than the video 07:51:48 like, after 1 hour or so the audio comes 2s sooner than it should 07:51:57 how do i fix this? :X 08:02:23 -!- augur has joined. 08:03:43 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:22:12 -!- MoALTz has joined. 08:48:33 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:28:27 [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49681&oldid=49678 * Qwerp-Derp * (+233) 09:29:00 [wiki] [[Logicode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49682 * Qwerp-Derp * (+2924) Added Logicode page 09:29:56 [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49683&oldid=49649 * Qwerp-Derp * (+15) Added Logicode. 10:19:37 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:45:53 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 11:05:14 -!- Moony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:09:20 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:17:29 -!- carado has joined. 11:52:02 Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list ← freenode-staff is on the ACL because it's the dummy account used for 'successor' for single-# (on-topic) channels 11:52:29 Ah. 11:52:36 Maybe you need to shut this channel down now? 11:52:40 It's not very official. 11:52:50 though incidentally there *is* an ACL entry that is supposed to indicate "it's fine if staff helps us deal with spam", but it's *@freenode/staff/* 11:53:06 Ah, that must be what I was thinking of. 11:53:13 shachaf: not really, and I'm sure it's plenty official as a channel for esoteric.org 11:53:15 I've seen channels that did that. 11:53:26 I mean, official enough, that is 11:53:30 http://esoteric.org/ looks very official 11:53:38 er 11:53:49 esolangs.org* 11:53:50 >.> 11:55:32 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:06:02 -!- Guest15977 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:07:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:16:57 -!- Jafet has joined. 12:35:14 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:47:24 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Jafet). 13:21:20 -!- yorick has joined. 13:42:42 so how did #esoteric survive anyway? 13:45:29 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal hmm, #esocrypt... not even the founder is there anymore. 14:10:11 is there a unicode character that's 2 columns wide and it looks like a circle? 14:11:09 i tried with () but it doesn't really look like a circle and it's hollow 14:13:31 ⬤ maybe? 14:13:43 my font doesn't have it :( 14:13:53 but that's cool 14:14:24 You could also use a fullwidth O if you don't mind being very semantically incorrect 14:14:44 (and hollow) 14:45:51 `unidecode 〠 14:45:52 [U+3020 POSTAL MARK FACE] 16:17:47 -!- Guest15977 has joined. 17:01:06 -!- polybot has joined. 17:02:09 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:06:48 <\oren\> izabera: you're thinking of 〇 17:06:55 <\oren\> probably 17:07:04 hollow too 17:07:26 anyway i gave up 17:07:51 i wanted to make a ncurses goban but it's clearly impossible with custom fonts 17:07:54 without* 17:09:36 <\oren\> there are lots of characters that are circles with somehting inside 17:09:40 <\oren\> ㋐㋑㋒㋓㋔㋕㋖㋗㋘㋙㋚㋛㋜㋝㋞㋟ 17:09:40 <\oren\> ㋠㋡㋢㋣㋤㋥㋦㋧㋨㋩㋪㋫㋬㋭㋮㋯ 17:09:40 <\oren\> ㋰㋱㋲㋳㋴㋵㋶㋷㋸㋹㋺㋻㋼㋽㋾ 17:10:30 <\oren\> as well as ones for every jamo 17:16:29 izabera: apparently you're supposed to use ⚆ ⚇ ⚈ ⚉ http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf 17:16:54 http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2016-09-03_181646.png 17:29:35 go stones don't have dots 17:30:51 i have no idea what "go markers" are 17:32:31 FireFly: i thought you played go? 17:33:07 I do 17:33:09 well 17:33:17 sort of a little bit 17:33:53 izabera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)#Notation_and_recording_games based on this it seems it's used for kifus or something 17:34:05 But I dunno what the dots are supposed to be for 17:34:57 o.o kifus don't have stones 17:35:02 they only have move numbers 17:35:37 http://www.asahi.com/igo/photogallery/image/TKY200609210129.jpg 17:36:20 Yeah 17:43:21 is that a sealed move? 17:43:59 yes 17:49:49 -!- polybot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:49:55 -!- moonythedwarf_ has joined. 18:00:33 Bloop 18:11:53 izabera: FireFly: There's a thread on the Unicode mailing list about that: http://unicode.org/pipermail/unicode/2016-March/003412.html 18:14:05 There's a few pointers to examples of use, e.g. http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/kim.pdf (diagram in chapter 4) 18:16:17 Though the actual answer seems to be that they just got dragged along by something called the "STIX (font) project", the records of which don't happen to mention where they came from. 18:16:53 Or something like that, anyway. 18:19:19 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 18:52:02 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ps4star * New user account 19:16:00 -!- keemyb has quit (Quit: https://fnordserver.eu). 19:17:50