< 1472428872 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nofrily.
< 1472428943 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nofrily?
< 1472428968 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a repetition from previous time when you DIDN'T NOTICE hth)
< 1472428977 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1015241
< 1472428983 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_<... >_>'...
< 1472428987 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavellon[1].
< 1472428994 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahoily
< 1472429008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i shouldn't have cheated so fast, i probably could have guessed it was baltic with some thought.
< 1472429031 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no fungotting idea where nofrily could be coming where from.
< 1472429039 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT
< 1472429042 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizziello. FUNGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1472429047 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(T)
< 1472429064 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm godelling slang
< 1472429079 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? godelling
< 1472429080 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :godelling? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1472429081 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1015241 is 69 and 420, in no particular order
< 1472429098 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being the product of the 69th and 420th primes, though I may be doing something wrong as of yet)
< 1472429130 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe some random language spoken in Siberia?
< 1472429131 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it works
< 1472429140 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :69th and 420th, with index at 0
< 1472429150 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1472429155 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wrong continent hth
< 1472429171 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's transliterated, i guess
< 1472429174 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472429218 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wish to specifically refer to 69 followed by 420, you use 2953336069, and for 420 followed by 69 you use 354319109
< 1472429245 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are there codes for other drugs yet?)
< 1472429262 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: those are big numbers. you should do an MTF then RLE to compress them.
< 1472429276 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Burmese?
< 1472429284 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Never heard of MTF, or at least I can't think of it
< 1472429289 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it?
< 1472429293 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope
< 1472429314 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's still the same continent afaiac hth
< 1472429316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1472429348 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1472429375 0 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472429424 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "-fr-" bit is throwing me for a loop...
< 1472429458 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maldivian?
< 1472429579 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, are there any numbers for drugs other than pot?
< 1472429583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I already asked
< 1472429584 0 :dingbat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycovieoiirmwuqkz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472429627 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: there is the 2C family, but it's alphanumeric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2C_(psychedelics)
< 1472429655 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'll just treat it as ASCII in that case
< 1472429756 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: on checking, it seems to be a dead language. it's the last descendant of one you might consider classical.
< 1472429817 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not maldivian, anyway
< 1472429823 0 :zgrep!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ywlhmnuwljjayxzs JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472429823 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pali?
< 1472429861 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you're still in asia despite my best efforts to tell you that's wrong :P
< 1472429871 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops >_>'
< 1472430008 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cretan? Minoan?
< 1472430016 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nope
< 1472430056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(do we know any words from those? i don't know.)
< 1472430097 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next hint: although dead, it's still used by some
< 1472430115 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old Church Slavonic?
< 1472430123 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aramaic?
< 1472430123 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as i implied, i didn't actually know it was dead until right now)
< 1472430128 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no
< 1472430142 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to remember "classical" languages.
< 1472430163 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "classical". it depends on your definition i guess.
< 1472430197 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liberally classicaly classify languages usually...
< 1472430235 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manx? Cornish?
< 1472430261 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no. more classical than that, i think.
< 1472430319 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next hint: you can blame the muslims for it dying.
< 1472430323 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin and lesser Latin?
< 1472430331 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope
< 1472430354 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhelloq.
< 1472430369 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salboiliton
< 1472430383 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1472430397 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot. two riddhelloes at the same time.
< 1472430417 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pikhq's one isn't too hard.
< 1472430437 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Coptic?
< 1472430442 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DING*
< 1472430460 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good one.
< 1472430493 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Portuguese?
< 1472430521 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guessed pikhq's correctly.
< 1472430530 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing weirdo Esperanto, personally.
< 1472430584 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Coptic is only mostly dead -- it's still used liturgically.
< 1472430586 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot most of Esperanto's suffixes. are -n adverbs?
< 1472430648 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n is the accusative suffix.
< 1472430696 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently the accusative is used in excalamtions, such as "Saluton".
< 1472430706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns that chebyshev's first name, pafnuty, is originally coptic.
< 1472430763 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm pretty sure "dead" does not usually exclude that for languages.
< 1472430801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... Well, it depends.
< 1472430815 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coptic is as "dead" as Latin is, and some might call Latin a dead language.
< 1472430892 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1472430899 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also learns that this is one of the cases where -ev is pronounced -of.
< 1472430937 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is post-re-de-undead.
< 1472431036 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: btw iirc aramaic isn't quite dead, although it's not doing well in the current war zone down there.
< 1472431056 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they come in ones and twosles, but if they so choozles, before your eyes you'll see hem multiply
< 1472431103 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :them
< 1472431105 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf thinks he's found my secret weakness or something.
< 1472431135 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or he's got it on his brain himself.
< 1472431142 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly the latter
< 1472431154 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is utterly confused by the sudden turn in conversation
< 1472431155 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of the former maybe, but one can only expect diminishing returns there
< 1472431185 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Aramaic is classed as endangered, but not extinct.
< 1472431237 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the talmud is mostly in aramaic?
< 1472431262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: itym confusel hth
< 1472431316 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: unconfusel hth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnADKgurvc
< 1472431418 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. It's worth remembering that the Talmud is a large body of writing from various rabbis written post-70CE.
< 1472431583 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think i sniped myself with that link hth
< 1472431637 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the internal rhyme in "because they guzzle up the things you prize"
< 1472431641 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, semi-rhyme.
< 1472431655 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that sort of thing have a name? Are there other instances of it?
< 1472431669 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am... partially unconfuselled?
< 1472431719 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: half rhymes are a thing.
< 1472431735 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like thr feel of it.
< 1472431746 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the
< 1472431788 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That would probably be alliteration, not rhyme.
< 1472431838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because" and "guz" seem to rhyme.
< 1472431845 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that. Yes.
< 1472431850 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a semi-rhyme.
< 1472431871 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the actual term for it)
< 1472431878 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alliteration is scow.
< 1472431885 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's fine.
< 1472431888 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people make too much of it.
< 1472433423 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472433638 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1472433639 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious pronounced zombie oeverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
< 1472433759 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s/Crocker/&, and his secret weakness is heffalumps and woozles./
< 1472433761 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious pronounced zombie oeverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker, and his secret weakness is heffalumps and woozles
< 1472433772 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1472433774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1472433775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious pronounced zombie oeverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker, and his secret weakness is heffalumps and woozles.. He sometimes
< 1472433780 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double oops
< 1472433782 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1472433787 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done.
< 1472433944 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Robdgreat
< 1472433945 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04Robdgreat: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.)
< 1472433963 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1472433974 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :allo
< 1472433982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: long time no see
< 1472433985 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/oeverlord/œverlord/' wisdom/oerjan
< 1472433987 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472433989 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: please fix up the oerjan wisdom entry twh
< 1472433999 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what were you aiming for?
< 1472434001 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode œ
< 1472434002 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[U+0153 LATIN SMALL LIGATURE OE]
< 1472434011 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. How's everything?
< 1472434022 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :spammy
< 1472434033 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: allo. French?
< 1472434072 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no
< 1472434076 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :murcan :)
< 1472434087 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` sed -i 's/\.\././' wisdom/oerjan
< 1472434089 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472434106 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you "He sometimes"?
< 1472434132 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um you seem to be looking at the pre-reverted version
< 1472434135 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan
< 1472434135 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mysterious pronounced zombie œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
< 1472434177 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is fine now then.
< 1472434202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf perceived some crampiness.
< 1472434225 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan perceived some crankiness
< 1472434443 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily
< 1472434443 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only sane man" boily is monetizing a broterhood scheme with the Guardian of Lachine, apparently involving cookie dealing. He's also a NaniDispenser, a Trigotillectomic Man Eating Chicken and a METARologist. He is seriously lacking in the f-word department. He is also a renowned Capitalist.
< 1472434459 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still shorter :P
< 1472434630 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan/s/pronounced zombie/reanimate/
< 1472434630 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: sled file//script
< 1472434636 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd oerjan//s/pronounced zombie/reanimate/
< 1472434638 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious reanimate œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
< 1472434667 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :word merging through puns
< 1472434824 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom__Hoover
< 1472434824 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover can't decide what an appropriate number of underscores is.
< 1472434826 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover
< 1472434826 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman, hatheist, and completely out of the loop.
< 1472435142 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hat
< 1472435143 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
< 1472435616 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Robdgreat
< 1472435617 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat ? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1472435676 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: BARBARIAN CHICKEN
< 1472435879 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot
< 1472435880 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
< 1472436049 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this all that happens in here anymore?
< 1472436102 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, sometimes people discuss Magic the Gathering
< 1472436120 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1472436140 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slightly ironic
< 1472436168 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :only slightly
< 1472436443 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the more energetic newbies aren't in at the moment.
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< 1472436831 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :On occasion esolangs also get talked about.
< 1472436846 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :While we're often off topic, we all *are* genuinely interested in them.
< 1472436875 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this will probably please you: fungot is written in Befunge.
< 1472436893 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters, fungot is dead
< 1472436904 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1472437193 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472437581 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Douchey Douches Douche Douchily" -- Ernest Hemingway, July 3, 1961
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< 1472438141 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1], man you do say some shit sometimes
< 1472438154 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I do
< 1472438170 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it up though, if it wasn't for you nobody would ever talk about esolangs
< 1472438681 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( i didn't know Ernest Hemingway made esolangs )
< 1472438704 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn something new every day
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< 1472440082 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! The Imperial Japanese invaded my Iranian Communist Authority through India, but I encircled them and wiped out 50 divisions at once
< 1472440110 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all that in canada?
< 1472440144 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49669&oldid=49668 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* (+173) 10
< 1472440167 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49670&oldid=49669 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* (+17) 10
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< 1472440409 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the british are here, to retake the Raj through Kuwait
< 1472440433 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pip pip comrades
< 1472440594 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look! I now own Jordan, Syria, and Israel
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< 1472441078 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advancing into the Sinai
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< 1472443116 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concept of choosing one's sexual orientation is mathematically absurd
< 1472443131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1472443153 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple game theory tells us that, assuming your choice of orientation does not affect anyone else's, the optimal strategy is /clearly/ to choose bisexuality
< 1472443220 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want to choose asexuality.
< 1472443227 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that people react poorly to it, and as such one should be heterosexual.
< 1472443231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if it does affect others' choices, unless it specifically affects your contemporaries to choose straight or asexual, you still benefit
< 1472443243 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That would be nice too
< 1472443269 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But no one can tell your orientation unless they are informed- sex as a game has imperfect information
< 1472443337 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*If* you would not be at risk of significant discrimination for being not-heterosexual, that would be the case.
< 1472443363 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the best move for /everyone/ is to choose bisexuality (as, assuming everyone plays optimally, it doubles your dating pool, and under no circumstances does your dating pool decrease), there would be no reason to discriminate against bisexuals because most other people are bisexual too
< 1472443383 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people as a whole were game theoretically optimal, yes.
< 1472443435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, and people tend to be fairly close to optimal for obvious choices such as this
< 1472443451 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, it's not the case.
< 1472443466 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor would it make any sense for it to be the case from an evolutionary standpoint.
< 1472443474 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do you want $10 or $20, both given to you right now with no differences other than amount?"
< 1472443475 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind, that is not a standpoint many people take!)
< 1472443477 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes, there's that
< 1472443507 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\$/¤/
< 1472443563 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some amount of the *idea* that one chooses one's sexual orientation comes from certain individuals who are homosexual or bisexual and feel that it's wrong, and then force themselves into heterosexual acts and then loudly proclaim that they chose to be straight.
< 1472443599 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes
< 1472443605 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard that though
< 1472443609 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, regardless. I'm quite certain it's the case hardly anyone had a time they *decided* to be heterosexual, jusst a time they realized it.
< 1472443620 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I could choose, I definitely 100% would've chosen to be bi
< 1472443644 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've never heard people say they chose to be heterosexual?
< 1472443653 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I honestly have never heard that
< 1472443653 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not listen to many religious fundamentalists then.
< 1472443658 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably for the best.
< 1472443683 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, keep in mind, gays probably have better sex than straight people- sex is never a game with perfect information, but the information is a /lot/ better when you've both had a penis (or vagina) for your entire life)
< 1472443716 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* there exist trans people *cough*
< 1472443718 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1472443748 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is still decision what you want though, such as only opposite or don't sex (therefore, I want don't sex).
< 1472443758 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For the purposes of analysis, we assume that trans people are the gender they identify as- trans men are just men, trans women are just women
< 1472443771 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or something more strange than sexual orientation, in some cases, possibly???)
< 1472443788 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: A reasonable analysis. This does, however, leave some men with vaginas and some women with phallusses.
< 1472443801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, yes, they are definitely in the minority)
< 1472443835 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: To some extent, yes, conscious choices can impact your desires and behaviors.
< 1472443842 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, asexual is nice too because it decreases distractions and prevents sexual frustration (I assume; I've always just assumed asexuals don't have any form of frustration from never having sex, that they just don't feel any inclination to)
< 1472443861 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, human brains are complex and this includes human brains' sexual behavior.
< 1472443891 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I suppose that there are trans women who have not undergone surgery... I think it's the majority of trans people, actually.
< 1472443903 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we just drop them from the equation for now?
< 1472443913 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: It is the majority of trans women, yes.
< 1472443927 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, trans people are negligible as they make up <1% of the population
< 1472443944 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think they still benefit from choosing to be bi, it's just that straight sex is better for them
< 1472443965 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only game-sex with perfect information is, of course, masturbation)
< 1472444003 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: Modulo the fact that trans people's sexual responses can be quite different from a cis person's, even with the same genitalia in both cases.
< 1472444008 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because psychology.
< 1472444012 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes
< 1472444019 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about that too
< 1472444036 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hormones can also be relevant.
< 1472444046 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways!
< 1472444085 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general point that there can be factors in sexual orientation that would influence your decision making, resulting in *very* different choices if it were in fact a choice, is quite valid.
< 1472444086 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes!
< 1472444097 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1472444127 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, OK
< 1472444141 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But since people can't know your orientation unless they obtain information- which in theory should be concealable- you can evade most of those issues by being bi but being a little more discreet about gay sex
< 1472444160 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a bi person having sex with someone of the same gender is still considered "gay sex", right?)
< 1472444165 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: And with gay people being more discreet about the straight sex.
< 1472444177 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say so, at least.
< 1472444185 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but gays at least tend to be more accepting
< 1472444196 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "biphobia" is actually a thing...
< 1472444199 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough there can be serious biphobia in some parts of the gay community.
< 1472444202 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason...
< 1472444208 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah
< 1472444214 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly from people who assert that you're not bi, you're just in the closet.
< 1472444231 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's boyfriend is a gay man that is homophobic, but only towards lesbians...
< 1472444244 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1472444248 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask how it works, I don't know
< 1472444397 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds confusing but not unheard of.
< 1472444409 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what the fuck is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_hair_texture
< 1472444424 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the most OR bullshit I have ever read
< 1472444434 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR?
< 1472444554 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Original Research"
< 1472444583 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like someone didn't get a job, decided it was because they had curly hair, ranted about it, and made it into a wikipedia page
< 1472444617 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I will say, the phenomenon discussed there *is* a real thing. But it's kinda subtle, and is really more a particular manifestation of racism than anything else.
< 1472444625 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And this article is crap at discussing it.
< 1472444709 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is some undergrad African-American studies student realized there wasn't a Wikipedia article about it and turned a class assignment into it.
< 1472444892 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep
< 1472444907 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A bad class assignment at that, but they probably got an A
< 1472444919 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
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< 1472445293 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How exactly does the idea of "ablism" work?
< 1472445435 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :divisaur
< 1472445500 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: "ableism" is literally discrimination against those with disabilities.
< 1472445529 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah
< 1472445534 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does that count as injustice?
< 1472445556 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you are literally disabled
< 1472445574 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes broader than simply failing to account for accessibility.
< 1472445603 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the job likely won't involve a lot of walking, someone with working legs is probably a better hire than someone who's paraplegic
< 1472445609 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be surprised how often e.g. a deaf person is treated as a non-person.
< 1472445795 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar CUIL
< 1472445796 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No result.
< 1472445816 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1472446013 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, compulsory sterilization has happened as late as *2010*.
< 1472446024 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US.
< 1472446096 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Oerjan 5* 10blocked [[02User:31.184.238.6110]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
< 1472446332 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah, yes
< 1472446730 0 :Melvar`!?@? NICK :Melvar
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< 1472449936 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is it possible to change what my IP directs to in a geoip database?
< 1472450007 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I want the internet to think I live in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
< 1472450145 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there isn't: http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/
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< 1472470685 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472470686 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but//But is a Trintercal operator.
< 1472473691 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in fantasy fiction, nobility ranks come in two suits: the Good ranks are named prince, duke, earl, whereas the Evil ranks are named king, count, baron.
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< 1472474121 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472474122 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :orin//orin is oren's evil twin, stalking him from the other side of the international date line.
< 1472474164 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: In which fantasy fiction?
< 1472474200 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There definitely are good kings in some fantasy books
< 1472474625 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there are evil princes that murder good kings.
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< 1472474778 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lord of the Rings had both good and bad kings
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< 1472475042 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you mean the entire verse, not just the books with that title.
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< 1472475790 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the books
< 1472476307 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can't think of very many evil kings. I don't think Sauron counts as a king, Denethor certainly doesn't, and Théoden wasn't really "evil" even before getting better.
< 1472476772 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls the plug
< 1472476777 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no power here!
< 1472476855 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I guess the Witch-King of Angmar counts, though.
< 1472476900 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How about the Witch-king of Angmar?
< 1472476925 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I *just* said.
< 1472476934 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't read that line before I wrote mine
< 1472477056 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, doesn't work too well for the Lord of the Ring, which has elf Lords/Ladies and human ruling stewards instead of elf kings/queens. King Ar-Pharazôn of Númenor could count as an Evil king thouhg.
< 1472477166 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the arch-example (which might have popularized this a bit) is Dune, which plays duke Leto Atreides against baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
< 1472477233 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tvtrope's take on the nobility titles is (TVTROPES WARNING) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AristocratsAreEvil
< 1472477528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note though that Galadriel considered turning from an ordinary elf Lady to a beautiful and terrible Queen.
< 1472477581 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what determines the kingliness/queenliness of elves, anyway. Thingol was the king of Doriath and Thranduil the king of the woodland elves, but Celeborn, Galadriel and Elrond are all nondescript Lords and Ladies of their places.
< 1472477603 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingol and Thranduil weren't all that evil, though AIUI the latter was a bit of a dick.
< 1472477818 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Ingwë, Fingon and Olwë were somehow the kings of Vanyar, Noldor and Teleri, respectively. So it doesn't really seem to depend on having a proper sort of kingdom to run.
< 1472477967 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some elves were like "Do we want to have a monarchy" and some said "Sure", and the others "Nah"
< 1472478032 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland was supposed to have a king once, but that never went anywhere -- now we just read news about the Swedish royalty instead.
< 1472478054 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Finland_(1918)
< 1472478108 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poland hasn't had a monarchy in a while now
< 1472478194 0 :Reece`!~Ner@cpc4-wiga13-2-0-cust799.18-3.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472478226 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last monarch stopped ruling in 1815
< 1472478243 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was just a Duke, not a King
< 1472478252 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last king stopped in 1795
< 1472478289 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the Third Partition of Poland
< 1472478436 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Poland has had it rough
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< 1472479584 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.test: points -25.19, score 12.50, rank 24/47
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< 1472480175 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=tree-percussions
< 1472480180 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=tree-percussions: b_jonas
< 1472480486 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07Churro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49671&oldid=43972 5* 03Martin Ender 5* (+65) 10add categories
< 1472481381 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions
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< 1472484076 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? strt
< 1472484077 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strt? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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< 1472485898 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 4rn4
< 1472485899 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4rn4? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1472485922 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The 4rn4 has two false goals.
< 1472485924 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '4rn4': The 4rn4 has two false goals.
< 1472485929 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1472485933 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unlearn 4rn4
< 1472485934 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unlearn: not found
< 1472485937 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget 4rn4
< 1472485939 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what?
< 1472485950 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The 4RN4 has two false goals.
< 1472485952 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned '4rn4': The 4RN4 has two false goals.
< 1472485957 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better
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< 1472487203 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just `learn without `forgetting, and then it'll relearn.
< 1472487363 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, I was just sort of stupid there
< 1472487381 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would have to use a different filename for 4RN4, but obviously no
< 1472488041 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm looking at the skin color emojis in samsung's new font
< 1472488049 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrBBDfbWYAA5z93.jpg
< 1472488103 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting that the default is brown haired european, 1-2 is pale asian, and 3 appears to be gyaru.
< 1472488524 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's a lot of drama apparently because the new iOS font shows 🔫 as a water gun instead of a real gun.
< 1472488683 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, having skin tone 3 be gyaru helps a lot because we can use [Emoji Modifier Fitzpatrick Type-3][Man] as Trump.
< 1472488811 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a haircut emoji but it's a pity there's no "bad haircut" emoji
< 1472489006 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of the water gun thing.
< 1472489134 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the impression the main concern was that you think you're sending fun water gun pictures and your friends think you're pointing a real gun at them.
< 1472489236 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is already a fun discrepancy with REMINDER RIBBON
< 1472489547 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have suggested that unicode encode a water gun emoji in the next round
< 1472489731 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh, right, some are pink and some are yellow iirc
< 1472489817 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what yellow ribbon means however
< 1472490113 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day someone will make a "create a face app", and it won't have any face rendering code
< 1472490121 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just call the text renderer
< 1472490204 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH god no why no
< 1472490232 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :text renderers are becoming complicated enough that you could get away with doing that nowadays
< 1472490248 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just need a very good font
< 1472490374 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused by thw last row
< 1472490382 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there 6 fingers?
< 1472490493 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: OH GOD WHAT I CANT WHY DID YOU TELL ME
< 1472490577 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there so many emoji characters, though...
< 1472490611 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHy not?
< 1472490631 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: nowadays if more than one cell phone maker has it, they generally will encode it
< 1472490699 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally, it was because multiple Japanese cellphone makers had filled in the gaps in Shift-JIS with emoji.
< 1472490700 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: !help
< 1472490737 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Please leave „oerjan“ a Message stating „Thank You very much Dude, that was a quite helpful Message indeed.“
< 1472490752 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone instruct me to achieve that, please?
< 1472490753 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unicode consortium aims to encode all writing systems used in human communication
< 1472490761 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with @tell
< 1472490764 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1472490775 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you @tell user message
< 1472490780 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan Thank You very much Dude, that was a quite helpful Message indeed!
< 1472490780 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1472490783 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1472490785 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. ☺
< 1472490787 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win.
< 1472490795 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to note that Signwriting is now encoded as unicode, and it needs horribly complicated text shaping algorithms to actually render, because you have to combine lots of modifiers to get a glyph, and there's way too many possibilities to pre-render. It's among the hardest to render scripts encoded in unicode.
< 1472490883 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wor one intend only to add emoji once the terminal software makers decide how to render them
< 1472490912 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminal software makers have no idea. I mean, in theory you could treat them as 16x16 charcells, but then there's the combining chars and modifiers.
< 1472490916 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why they even chose to encode it as characters, rather than a domain-specific non-character-based language like five-staff musical notation or 2d maths notation.
< 1472490956 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminals and emoji just don't work
< 1472490961 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, right now on most terminals, ☁️ is a half-width character, which doesn't work
< 1472490962 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Am I being crazy here?)
< 1472490975 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you can now add combining marks to hand signs
< 1472490984 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Not really, but it's "against the goal of Unicode" not to encode everything
< 1472490995 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there is a way to encode five-staff musical notation in Unicode
< 1472490998 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the newest version of unicode made emoji fullwidth.
< 1472491026 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I don't think that's how it works. They only want to encode characters, not formatting.
< 1472491042 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need to wait for terminal software to catch up
< 1472491058 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, Things need Time to evolve.
< 1472491065 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, presumably, editors and such)
< 1472491111 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switched back from „mosh“ to „ssh“ because my „glibc“ cannot correctly parse „😸“ yet.
< 1472491134 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't intend to ever have colors in my font
< 1472491143 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :With good old SSH i only see a Rectangle, but under „mosh“, i see just nothing at all, a blank Space, which is much worse for me.
< 1472491174 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Term: rxvt-unicode, for the Record)
< 1472491176 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using this through two tmuxes and ssh, and I see a fullwidth cat
< 1472491187 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is nice. ☺
< 1472491189 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the cat is covering up the und quote
< 1472491197 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/und/end/
< 1472491200 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: They do encode formatting already, in a way.
< 1472491201 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not that good.
< 1472491205 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: U+000A
< 1472491232 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Also RTL/LTR overrides
< 1472491238 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: there are a lot of different space and endline variants
< 1472491253 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly
< 1472491263 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just goes to show that they were encoding formatting from the start
< 1472491264 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1472491268 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, look at the text we have in like our sacred books, say the complete works of Arany János or some other literature. Apart from two handfuls of non-ascii characters like áéíóöőúüűAÉÍÓÖŐÚÜŰ–…„”»« and fixed with space which I still don't know if it has a unicode encoding, it uses italic. A lot of italic. Plus a couple of levels of indentation sometimes. The italic isn't supposed to be encoded as characters, and usually is
< 1472491279 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ Plus a couple of levels of indentation sometimes. The italic isn't supposed to be encoded as characters, and usually isn't.
< 1472491341 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Above, if you're using my font, you'll see that I compromized by putting in small abbreiations for what kind of space it is
< 1472491372 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you aren't, you have no idea!
< 1472491388 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm
< 1472491403 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under, "General Punctuation"
< 1472491432 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's completely normal that text contains formatting stuff that isn't characters, like at least italic and headings (chapter titles) and block quotes and the occasional centered row of stars separator, and possibly also line breaks and paragraph breaks and multiple levels of indents, although the latter ones are easy to represent as characters.
< 1472491476 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: right, that's the opposite choice as I made in my font. in my font, space characters and the nul character are the only ones that do have a glyph but it isn't distinguishable from ordinary ascii stuff.
< 1472491496 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italic exists in unicode for latin letters
< 1472491522 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not supposed to be used for anything except math
< 1472491528 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: isn't that supposed to be for _math_ italic variables, as opposed to italicized text?
< 1472491534 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that
< 1472491567 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would usually look wrong for text, and might not have all the necessary characters (you'll need an italicized hyphen at least, which maths doesn't use).
< 1472491569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't recognize their authority to set rules
< 1472491591 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, now I wonder which punctuations ever appear italicized in Arany János poems.
< 1472491609 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I might not recognize unicode's authority, but math italics and text italics are distinct things to me.
< 1472491614 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I designed my font in such a way that italics will look ok as running text
< 1472491659 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: do you have like a full set of italicized common punctuation marks, for italicized text? possibly in a separate font?
< 1472491660 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as will the cursive/script latin
< 1472491667 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Unicode already has „Yellow Heart: 💛“, why should not it have „Yellow Letter A“, or „Yellow Letter π“, also?
< 1472491689 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm not doing colors.
< 1472491707 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terminals we have a better way of doing colors
< 1472491768 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod*
< 1472491793 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msee?
< 1472491807 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why does that look wrong
< 1472491867 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5see?
< 1472491873 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go
< 1472491937 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what happens if I do 3,5☁️ thsi
< 1472491955 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid emoji, i wanted a green cloud
< 1472491988 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3,5 ☁ test
< 1472491994 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there we go
< 1472492002 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-emoji cloud works
< 1472492881 0 :kline!~kline@enucs/committee/kline QUIT :Quit: K-Lined
< 1472493075 0 :kline!~kline@enucs/committee/kline JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472493497 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is 900% stupid.
< 1472493542 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :citation needed
< 1472493591 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do design UTCE deliberately omitting complex scripts and stuff that is not easily rendered in terminals, since it is designed mainly for terminals anyways (not for typesetting). (For typesetting, a system like TeX and METAFONT, perhaps a bit more extended, would help more.)
< 1472493760 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is what has evolved naturally. Nature as a Whole is also way > 100% stupid.
< 1472493854 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid, dumb, and yet we're talking here...
< 1472494005 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I consider Unicode less stupid than the ways to encode it
< 1472494029 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, if it wasn't for UTF-16, we might have been able to just use bitfields instead of combining char madness
< 1472494045 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the way it played out
< 1472494086 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my UTCE design?
< 1472494120 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find it. Is there a link?
< 1472494131 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1472494140 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Taking advantage of UTCE fonts is still possible even if you are running programs that use ISO 2022 instead.)
< 1472494161 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472494167 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/utce
< 1472494204 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already see an issue with this.
< 1472494215 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason UTF-8 avoids the 0x00 to 0x7F area...
< 1472494236 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like C compilers tend to treat the input as ASCII,
< 1472494280 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do know that things. And, normally you still would treat input as ASCII. I try to make the compromise.
< 1472494329 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it looks like, say, \x80\x20 would be valid.
< 1472494355 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 would be better if all multibyte characters were the same length
< 1472494358 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The codes less than 0x80 that are used are those which are unlikely to cause problems with ASCII parsers and with text strings that don't use other encodings.)
< 1472494371 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: It isn't valid.
< 1472494402 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, "unlikely to"...
< 1472494408 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue is that "unlikely" is an odd thing
< 1472494431 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How it will be interpreted is implementation dependent. My suggestion is to display a single-width error indicator followed by a space.)
< 1472494437 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it could be 03xx,02xx,02xx alawys
< 1472494499 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: I actually think UTF-8 is fine as it was , before they banned anything that wouldn't work in UTF-16.
< 1472494539 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think UTF-8 is fine, although Unicode is not fine.
< 1472494567 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I came up with an encoding that uses the "infernal planes" characters to encode common ansi sequences smaller
< 1472494580 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, Unicode's a mess, that's for sure.
< 1472494609 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Worse Is Better" reminds me of "War Is Peace", somehow.
< 1472494649 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "\300\301" could encode bold instead of "\e[1m"
< 1472494691 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not valid utf-8 because "\300\301" would be a redundant encoding of "\1"
< 1472494715 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean "\300\201"
< 1472494871 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I divide unicode into "material plane" 16 bit characters, "astral plane" characters, "infernal plane" redundant utf-8 encodings, and "supernal plane" utf-8 characters that can't be encoded in utf-16
< 1472494997 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing how languages which claim to support international stuff use UTF-16 for everything
< 1472495009 0 :kline!~kline@enucs/committee/kline QUIT :Quit: K-Lined
< 1472495020 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just leaves them at square one, really...
< 1472495081 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "supernal plane" means stuff outside of Unicode range?
< 1472495111 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, numbers beyond the range of UTF-16, but still in the range of UTF-8
< 1472495117 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't outside of Unicode range. It is now, but it wasn't really until UTF-16 came along that it was really restricted...
< 1472495131 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1472495160 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder...
< 1472495172 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays there is no possible way you can even handle the codepoint 0xABCDEF12 in Java. You can't even get the data in, because everything's been sufficiently UTF-16'd.
< 1472495198 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Can you create an array of 32-bit numbers and use that as storiage instead of an array of 16-bit numbers?
< 1472495214 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you're doing your string handling manually from that point on.
< 1472495242 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -e '\300\361'
< 1472495242 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\300\361
< 1472495244 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And things that take, say, filenames...
< 1472495251 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In JavaScript, strings are lists of 16-bit numbers, although there is also Int32Array and that stuff too; those are objects and not strings though.)
< 1472495266 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\300\361";'
< 1472495266 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :âÀñ
< 1472495274 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1472495293 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it did utf-8 naively then that would just be '1'
< 1472495329 0 :kline!~kline@enucs/committee/kline JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472495331 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\300\261";'
< 1472495332 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :âÀ±
< 1472495353 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap I always forget the start bytes and end bytes
< 1472495393 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\340\202\234";'
< 1472495394 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :âà
< 1472495536 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in JavaScript, fromCharCode and charCodeAt treat the data as raw 16-bit numbers, while codePointAt and fromCodePoint treat the data in the string as UTF-16 instead. Both are useful, I think.)
< 1472495538 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";'
< 1472495538 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :âð±
< 1472495571 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472495653 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -futf8 -tutf8
< 1472495654 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
< 1472495691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See what utftovlq does with that? Also see what hd does with that.
< 1472495800 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -f10646-1 -tutf8
< 1472495801 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `10646-1' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1472495809 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -f10646-1/utf8 -tutf8
< 1472495809 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `10646-1/utf8' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1472495817 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -f10646-1/utf-8 -tutf8
< 1472495818 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `10646-1/utf-8' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1472495835 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -fiso:10646/utf-8 -tutf8
< 1472495835 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `iso:10646/utf-8' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
< 1472495841 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` perl -e 'print "\360\200\200\261";' | iconv -fiso:10646 -tutf8
< 1472495842 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv: conversion from `iso:10646' is not supported \ Try `iconv --help' or `iconv --usage' for more information.
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< 1472496884 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a letter from Taiwan, containing the SD cards I ordered, and on the envelope, they printed almost the whole address correctly, including all the non-ascii letters. Nice.
< 1472496907 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should count my blessings.
< 1472496918 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Taiwan. Of course they have to support Unicode.
< 1472496975 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: you'd think that.
< 1472496989 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1472497050 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, this particular vendor seems to support unicode fine. They don't support international mail address formats, but that's basically impossible with these stupid fixed format forms.
< 1472497098 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it sound like a miracle it arrived in one piece...
< 1472497120 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure why they should support one without the other
< 1472497123 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-82.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472497185 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: Why? they printed the address almost correct. It should arrive correctly, because the post does generally support international mail, even if they can't handle it in bulk like they can handle PROPERLY formatted mass mail within borders.
< 1472497306 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :International mail address formatting is sort of like personal names. You can't make any sane form for it, because there's an infinity of different formats, ever changing by time, and for mail address formats, you can often only find information in various local languages.
< 1472497370 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you can accept any name is to take a SINGLE free-form text input, and the best you can do with international mail is two free-form fields, one containing the rest of the address, and one containing the country, and you force the latter to upper case. But few people do this with mail addresses, because that would just lead to lots of us
< 1472497370 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er errors,
< 1472497387 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once paid a thing in Japan using a wire transfer.
< 1472497394 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the people who order also don't understand mail address formats, and enter random junk. They don't even read the guide from the local post office written in their local language.
< 1472497399 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` uname -a
< 1472497400 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.13.0-umlbox #1 Wed Jan 29 12:56:45 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
< 1472497405 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML owns
< 1472497405 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clerk was very confused by the address I gave
< 1472497425 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'll test if these SD cards actually work, and have the speed they promise.
< 1472497436 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the people at the Japanese bank figured it out somehow
< 1472497438 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether Jeff Dike is a Woman, a Man, or something in between, or none. ;)
< 1472497455 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` top
< 1472497466 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls
< 1472497468 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1472497477 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin
< 1472497478 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472497480 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls
< 1472497482 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ test \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf
< 1472497486 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls bin
< 1472497487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472497487 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ 1 \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \
< 1472497490 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls
< 1472497490 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ 1 \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \
< 1472497512 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; cd 2017; ls
< 1472497513 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: cd: 2017: Not a directory \ ` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 04w08e09l11c12o13m04e \ 1 \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 7z \ 7za \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ as
< 1472497519 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; file 2017
< 1472497520 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2017: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
< 1472497530 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2017
< 1472497530 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cd bin; ls -la 2017
< 1472497530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472497531 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 79 Jan 1 2016 2017
< 1472497541 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2017 hello
< 1472497541 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472497551 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2017
< 1472497552 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1472497561 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016
< 1472497564 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn
< 1472497569 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2016
< 1472497569 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1472497570 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong World ;)
< 1472497574 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1472497574 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1472497577 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd
< 1472497578 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv
< 1472497583 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`export
< 1472497585 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: export: not found
< 1472497586 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2014
< 1472497586 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1472497589 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`2015
< 1472497591 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1472497596 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2015
< 1472497598 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $PATH
< 1472497598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1472497598 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$PATH
< 1472497606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/2016
< 1472497606 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah, international mail transfer is sort of strange too. banks ask for the IBAN number (a nice standardized format number that uniquely identifies the recipient account), name of recipient, name of bank of recieving account, and the town of that bank (how the fuck should I know that?).
< 1472497607 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ $(date +%Y) = "$(basename "$0")" ] \ then echo "Hello, world!" \ fi
< 1472497630 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's like train tickets:
< 1472497651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-82.dynamic.asdk12.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1472497663 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ¿
< 1472497663 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ¿
< 1472497664 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2015 puzzles me
< 1472497669 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ?? ¿
< 1472497673 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/hackenv/bin/`: line 4: hw: command not found
< 1472497685 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do international bank transfer and international train tickets with handwritten form, which is basically impossible for in-country train tickets or bank transfer, because in-country is too automated to mess with any handwriting.
< 1472497701 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%Y
< 1472497701 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2016
< 1472497713 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have magnetic strips
< 1472497740 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall there's also numbers just in case that fails, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a barcode
< 1472497762 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: OCR
< 1472497765 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: for what?
< 1472497769 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :train tickets
< 1472497775 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1472497797 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@74-114-87-82.dynamic.asdk12.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472497815 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just talked to the clerk to do the bank transfer, so I was like, you need the number three, then c h o m e, then nishi, that's n i s h i
< 1472497833 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, most train tickets are just plain printed to special paper, except for train tickets you print at home (as opposed to buy from home and print it from a self-operated machine at the big stations), which has some sort of machine-readable barcode,
< 1472497838 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on it was a huge pain
< 1472497855 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because the home-printed one doesn't have a special paper to prove its authenticity, so they need to check it more carefully that you're not just making up all the data.
< 1472497922 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably check anyway, even with special paper or magnetic stripes
< 1472497945 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly there's the ticket entry gates
< 1472497954 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are likely network-connected if not anything else
< 1472497972 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the fact the trains generally have poor Wifi, bet it works a lot better for the ticket inspector's machine
< 1472498007 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could use an offline protocol
< 1472498012 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@vps.jaboja.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1472498027 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, you need to be able to verify the ticket wasn't reused
< 1472498054 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: They don't check the tickets you buy at a station. The controller just reads it and marks it without using any electronics. He must trust the special paper, because there's nothing on it they could verify in their head. (Controllers aren't require to be able to compute public-key cryptography in their head.)
< 1472498085 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: that's why they punch a hole in your ticket
< 1472498126 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure there's a device they use, but who knows. It's been a while since I was last on a train.
< 1472498126 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1472498141 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: they put a marking with a pen to make sure you can't reuse them. the marking is just a four digit number (handwritten ugly) that identifies which train you're on, plus, if it's not the same date as the first valid date on the ticket, the date.
< 1472498150 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: Here (Germany) they just stamp Ink on it, they do not punch a Hole
< 1472498166 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. I last took a train in 2013 or so before they shut down the Ontario Northland line.
< 1472498166 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is basically enough to check you're not re-using the ticket.
< 1472498191 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not completely, but almost, as in, all the ways you could reuse it are very impractical and you can't gain much from them.
< 1472498203 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And sometimes risky too.)
< 1472498224 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually much harder to cheat than on the Budapest public transport.
< 1472498236 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472498257 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: there's an electronic device the controllers use for selling tickets on the train, and for checking self-printed tickets.
< 1472498272 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't use that for ordinary tickets.
< 1472498295 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I also took the Shinkansen, but that was all electronic with magstripes, I'm not even sure the train had an actual driver
< 1472498330 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ticket gets read when you enter the stations, and again when you leave
< 1472498347 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might even be written
< 1472498359 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: what? you need a driver for any train unless it's all in an underground tunnel, don't you? You might not need a _controller_, but you need a driver.
< 1472498455 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the narita-tokyo line, the whole line is closed in with fences
< 1472498473 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of it is raised
< 1472498534 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: is it closed enough that even medium-sized animals can't cross it level?
< 1472498550 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly
< 1472498553 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1472498576 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can close a surface train line that well.
< 1472498586 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's possible in Japan, I dunno.
< 1472498596 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the line is inside city
< 1472498601 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, the Train in Nuremberg here is also only in the Underground
< 1472498647 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get a few minutes of rice paddies before you start having the train pass within a few feet of buildings onboth sides
< 1472498670 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can literally look into some people's bedroom windows
< 1472498685 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: the new M4 metro line is completely underground and without drivers (but instead it has two or three attendants at the platform of every station plus people watching it remotely, so I'm not sure how much they gain from no drivers)
< 1472498735 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1472498749 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it would be like to take the narita-tokyo line at say, 11 pm
< 1472498754 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :People just trust humanoid Figures way too much.
< 1472498800 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, a cardboard cutout works just as well as a real driver
< 1472498824 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, a driver who is asleep
< 1472498836 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1472498843 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :NPC
< 1472498917 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a driver who is trying to catch pokemon by hurling pokeballs at them as he passes by them at 300 km/h
< 1472498939 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Pokemon Go infects train drivers
< 1472498942 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all doomed
< 1472498977 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the narita line only goes at like 150 kmh becuase of you know, passing right by houses
< 1472498990 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are doomed by the Matrix no Matter what happens.
< 1472499003 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you took like the tokyo-osaka line, lol
< 1472499012 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw this at a park the other day: https://zem.fi/tmp/pgo.jpg
< 1472499033 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The park was full of people playing.)
< 1472499047 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1472499066 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: dunno, despite that it creeped me out when I saw a tram driver messing with his handheld mobile phone in the same station where a careless pedestrian stepped under the tram just a day before (he turned out to be our new co-worker, who started working that day, and didn't get seriously injured);
< 1472499099 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't blame them for putting a sign like that up... At least it's not one of those graveyards with pokestops in...
< 1472499109 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual fact is that bus drivers and tram drivers manage to drive an order of magnitude safer than the car drivers, and this is quite consistently true because it applies to both Europe and America.
< 1472499146 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god what if someone showed up to a burial and it was like "how did you know him?" "look, a dragonite!"
< 1472499160 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was before Pokemon Go, but after smartphones.)
< 1472499209 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, it won't be the case anymore.
< 1472499225 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking to wob_jonas, BTW.
< 1472499247 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, people will show up to burials talking about dragonites.
< 1472499309 0 :augur!~augur@76-218-206-38.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1472499310 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a memorial to Marc Bolan nearby here, around the place where he died in a car crash.
< 1472499313 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolan%27s_Rock_Shrine
< 1472499319 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Pokémon Go gym.
< 1472499341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: I'm not sure. Aren't Pokemon Go players and bus drivers somewhat different age groups? Also, I expect the Pokemon Go craze will get much lower in a year, when people realize the game doesn't live up to its expectation and the great premise, and companies start to make better games like that.
< 1472499364 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is slow. Is my SD card reader slow? Or the motherboard or what? I don't get it.
< 1472499370 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bus criver who is 31 or so
< 1472499372 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is supposed to write fast.
< 1472499383 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: What is „this“?
< 1472499391 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, IO to an SD card.
< 1472499393 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic: testing speed of new SD card
< 1472499402 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing large files to it
< 1472499408 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees.
< 1472499420 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSD-Memory is Rocket-Science B-)
< 1472499462 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need a newer SD card reader or something. Or a newer computer. Definitely a new computer, this one is old, regardless of this SD card thing.
< 1472499510 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google-branded Cell-Phones stopped supporting removable microSDs because of the Driver-Hell
< 1472499547 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Nexus 5X has „/sdcard“ on the non-removable 32GB-Storage
< 1472499570 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :While my Nokia N900 has 32GB internal eMMC _and_ a microSD-Slot
< 1472499583 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what driver hell? they seem to just work for me. I thought they just stopped with removable micro sd because wireless transfer through wifi and bluetooth got well supported enough, plus they want to push people to store their files online.
< 1472499588 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves his N900. Would not have bought the Nexus. Got it from a rich Friend as a Present
< 1472499606 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what Hell specifically. Just read about it.
< 1472499621 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driver hell is true, but not about SD cards I think.
< 1472499622 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really needs a Hardware-Keyboard on his main Phone
< 1472499630 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for other hardware.
< 1472499635 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1472499646 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't believe me, I'm not a hardware guy.
< 1472499654 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, this is really slow
< 1472499665 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a Discordian and thus forbidden to believe whatever he reads. B-)
< 1472499677 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APic, the sky is generally considered to be blue.
< 1472499687 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the performance thing, as I think wob_jonas is currently finding out.
< 1472499687 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1472499707 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, APic, what do you now believe people generally consider the sky to be?
< 1472499713 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sky sometimes _looks_ blue, from a given Perspective.
< 1472499730 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes down "the depth, it is too much for me"
< 1472499735 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot answer that Question generally. It is way too subjective.
< 1472499752 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, i am more the Breadth-first-Dude
< 1472499756 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is important about the Question such that it is Capitalized?
< 1472499771 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Capitalizm has nothing to do with any Question.
< 1472499783 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1472499784 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION melts to the floor
< 1472499790 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1472499798 0 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues watching the Simpsons S01E11
< 1472499924 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use a CSS code to make text in multiple columns of a printout?
< 1472499991 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I dunno
< 1472500203 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I doubt it but I think you can use enscript or something iirc
< 1472500232 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nvm the command is called a2ps
< 1472500255 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data I have is in a table that spans multiple pages. Using column-count for the body just causes it to omit all but the first page from the printout; it doesn't actually do what I want.
< 1472500261 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a2ps --columns 2
< 1472500276 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result needs to be HTML though.
< 1472500280 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will output postscript that you can sent directly to the printer
< 1472500295 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I need the output to be HTML.
< 1472500314 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, do you want a long table? or to break text to columns automatically?
< 1472500360 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a long table with many rows. I want it to fit the rows that don't fit on one page first on the top on the right of the page, and then once it reaches the bottom of the right part of that page, to start on the next page.
< 1472500439 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Display of this document on continuous media is irrelevant; this document is only intended for paged media.)
< 1472500473 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so a long table in multiple columns. dunno, maybe try to read https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/ and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/column-width and stuff like that
< 1472500546 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you hadn't said that the output needs to be html, then I'd just suggest to load the html to some office program like libreoffice or ms office, then set the section to multiple columns there, and output an office document (not html) or the rendered printable version.
< 1472500574 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that probably won't work well if you need html output.
< 1472500575 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could probably write a program to process it into a series of tables, one on each page, some of which have twice as many rows
< 1472500588 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, columns
< 1472500614 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice as many columns, simulating a paginated, two-column formay
< 1472500639 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much fit on one page will be unknown at compile time though!
< 1472500734 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you need html, then I say study those css documents, experiment with browsers and printing (to file); and if all else fails, as a fallback, print in single columns wasting half or more of the paper.
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< 1472500814 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just use print preview to test it; I need not use up any paper to test it or print to files.
< 1472500908 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems this wrote the files with 0.13 megabytes speed. That seems very wrong. Even the old SD card reader or anything else (operating system, motherboard, hard disk) shouldn't slow it down that much.
< 1472500920 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I messed up with the test.
< 1472501506 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm testing the speed of reading back now.
< 1472501976 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure, but my guess is that it's a problem with the operating system, and it's doing the IO inefficiently somehow.
< 1472501982 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunoo.
< 1472501987 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe driver indeed.
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< 1472502336 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, I'm stupid
< 1472502341 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely stupid
< 1472502346 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I can't even do a division
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< 1472502411 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write speed was 7.6 mebibytes per seconds, which is not great, but much more realistic, read speed was 13.9 mebibytes per second, also not great but realistic.
< 1472502669 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my utf handing code currently falls back to latin 1 in the event of error. Maybe it should fall back to different encodings depending on the kind of error
< 1472502710 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what encoding would be most likely to include long sequences of high-bytes
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< 1472502831 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: how long? it could be utf-8, I think, when you encode long paragraphs of text in a cjk script.
< 1472502876 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean suppsoe you have two start bytes in a row? what encodign would be most likely to include that?
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< 1472502895 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I cannot get "page-break-before: avoid" to work.
< 1472502899 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is parsing utf-8 but I want it to be very permissive
< 1472502978 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "avoid" is not supported in Firefox.
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< 1472503018 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe I'll figure that out later. for now, all invalid bytes to latin 1
< 1472503066 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome if a single decoder could intelligently handle various encodings mixed
< 1472503116 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that you should not mix multiple encodings unless there are some kind of control codes or other commands in the file which specify where the encoding changes.
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< 1472503167 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or in cases where the multiple encodings can't interfere, such as UTF-8 with ASCII, or UTF-8 with 7-bit ISO 2022.)
< 1472503179 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but this comes up often when a web page has no encoding marked, and people take it as various ascii-based encodings.
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< 1472503188 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when multiple people post
< 1472503206 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :their posts are encoded, each, in the encoding that was default on their system
< 1472503230 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the resultant comment section is full of mojibake
< 1472503313 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then whoever reads/receives the files should be allowed to override the encoding (in Firefox this is possible in the View menu).
< 1472503355 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the point is when this happens, you have a single file containing text on several encodings unmarked.
< 1472503357 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: yeah. I've seen (non-html) files at work that has xml tags, but contain both utf-8 and some byte encoding in different fields. has no encoding declaration.
< 1472503538 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it might help to add something that can be called from GreaseMonkey or Stylish to declare specified elements as encoding-contexts.
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< 1472503611 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would then allow each encoding-context to be set separately according to the user's setting, which can be either auto-detect or set manually, and the context menu can set the encoding within that context.
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< 1472506399 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where do you get the rule "d(x^2) = 2x dx"?
< 1472506427 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know the answer. But what does it mean exactly?
< 1472506447 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means what it is.
< 1472506455 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's the type of the argument to d?
< 1472506489 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an expression that may have free variables?
< 1472506536 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1472506551 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if Wikipedia or something else mentions?
< 1472506552 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but you said it the other day.
< 1472506558 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Wikipedia page?
< 1472506564 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what I would read to make sense of it?
< 1472506571 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One about differential calculus I suppose.
< 1472506608 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell the argument to d could be anything
< 1472506665 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysterious.
< 1472506675 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d(xy)=x dy + y dx, right?
< 1472506686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it, like, know, man?
< 1472506763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It knows by the rules of mathematics.
< 1472506875 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the value of this expression? let x = 5 in dx
< 1472506914 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the I should ask a major general about differential calculus.
< 1472506937 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is zero, assuming x cannot change.
< 1472507446 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[wiki] 14[[07S.I.L.O.S14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49672&oldid=49670 5* 03Rjhunjhunwala 5* (+8) 10
< 1472507584 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about this: let x = 5 in d(x^2)/dx
< 1472507586 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10?
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< 1472507649 0 :kaoD!502486b8@unaffiliated/kaod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472507649 0 :kaoD!502486b8@unaffiliated/kaod QUIT :Changing host
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< 1472508360 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1472508459 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.first: points -9.60, score 16.93, rank 20/47
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< 1472509265 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, alpine is confusing when the timestamps are in different time zones
< 1472509296 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent an email and got the reply almost 3 hours before I sent it
< 1472509409 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does sound confusing
< 1472509464 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the timestamp on the reply is in santa clara time, but my email's timestamp is in Toronto
< 1472509673 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1472510028 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how we write codepoints in hex. octal would be more suitable for utf-8, and for utf-16, base 32 would be more suitable.
< 1472510188 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1472510322 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in base-32, upper surrogates are all AV** and lower surrogates are all AW**
< 1472510452 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here plays on zenhill? I'm trying to do nesting but failing at it
< 1472510460 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zem
< 1472510463 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would octal make more sense for UTF-8?
< 1472510495 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said that octal is more suitable for x86 encoding.
< 1472510503 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't read the argument.
< 1472510510 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: because all start bytes are 03xx and all continue bytes are 02xx
< 1472510538 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each continue byte gives you 6 bits
< 1472510548 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I could see that being the case, because at least Z80 is laid out in a way so that opcodes group neatly if you express them in octal
< 1472510565 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1472510568 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess so
< 1472510576 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a code point in octal, you could just divide it into continue bytes easily
< 1472510606 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttp://www.orenwatson.be/utf8guide.htm
< 1472510612 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.orenwatson.be/utf8guide.htm
< 1472510617 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit
< 1472510698 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD: A few, but none of them seem active right now.
< 1472510713 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1472510726 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the encoding looks cryptic as all hell if you have your code point in hex, but in octal it looks trivial
< 1472510736 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running the thing, but I'm not much of a BF Joust player myself.
< 1472510872 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, perhaps you know how nesting works?
< 1472510885 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest avoid (>)*9 ([ ([ ([ - ]>)*21 ]>)*21 ]>)*21
< 1472510885 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, if you have an astral plane code point in base 32, then you just subtract B@@@, take the first two digits and add AV@@, and take the last two digits and add AW@@
< 1472510885 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.avoid: points -11.90, score 11.11, rank 43/47
< 1472510910 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ztest avoid (>)*9 ( ([ {-} ]>)*21 )%3
< 1472510911 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.avoid: points -25.71, score 7.67, rank 46/47
< 1472510929 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get different score, but they should be the same, I think
< 1472510967 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD: There's no difference between * and % in the implementation, so the latter is interpreted as (>)*9 ( ([ {-} ]>)%21 )*3
< 1472510998 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472511020 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, any workaround? or is what I'm doing nonsensical?
< 1472511090 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always find it very hard to reason about these things. You might or might not get what you want by having more {}s.
< 1472511103 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule of thumb is, {} always "binds" to the next "available" pair of ()s.
< 1472511169 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, will think through it
< 1472511170 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks!
< 1472511181 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1472511222 0 :AnotherTest!~turingcom@ptr-2hj4tbos9tbg6w04sln4tvg8j.ip6.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
< 1472511245 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a(b{c{d}e}f)%2 g)%3 -> abbc abbc abbc d effg effg effg and so on.
< 1472511336 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a standalone version of this preprocessor people can play with?
< 1472511398 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :\oren\: There's no preprocessor, generally you'd end up with huge programs if you actually tried to expand all of it. Instead the (, {, } and ) are just non-time-taking jump instructions with a counter, and a ({-loop counts to a different direction than a })-loop.
< 1472511416 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1472511449 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not to say you couldn't write a piece of code to expand things, and I think there are some BF Joust implementations that do it.
< 1472512303 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1472512304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array
< 1472512441 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472512942 0 :\oren\!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sghello!
< 1472513091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472513154 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1472513247 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mklang?
< 1472513536 0 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc88301-woki8-2-0-cust688.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1472513552 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1472513673 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mklang
< 1472513674 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mklang? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1472513697 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalloD, fizziello, he\\oren\, Sgello, mynamello.
< 1472513717 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I give up. What does `? do?
< 1472513735 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering at times the majority of the activity in here consists of it
< 1472513736 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rellobdgreat! it queries the wisdom database!
< 1472513755 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take a formatted look at it in the PDF in the /topic ↑
< 1472513770 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom # for a random wisdom entry.
< 1472513771 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: : No such file or directory \ //
< 1472513774 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472513775 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slwd//`slwd //
< 1472513778 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472513779 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perpetual motion machine//Perpetual motion machines came with FreeFull's phone. They were hallucinated by Slereah's lack of entropy.
< 1472513783 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472513784 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ something like that.
< 1472513784 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wealhtheow//Wealhtheow is the barkeep in the tavern where the adventuring party of Beowulf meet at the start of the story.
< 1472513800 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck
< 1472513800 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array
< 1472513826 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it only respond to authorized users, or does the emperor have no clothes?
< 1472513839 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wisdom
< 1472513839 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? it started with, like, an ø?
< 1472513854 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wisdom
< 1472513856 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural transformation//A natural transformation is a transformation of something containing no chemicals.
< 1472513863 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: should respond to anyone
< 1472513889 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see nothing
< 1472513894 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1472513909 0 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ignored the bot last time I was in here >.>
< 1472514045 0 :FireFly!~firefly@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1472514055 0 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd do it
< 1472514480 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor hackego
< 1472514724 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.avoid: points -11.90, score 11.11, rank 43/47
< 1472514780 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poutine time!
< 1472514793 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: DESSICATED CHICKEN
< 1472514970 0 :kaoD!502486b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.36.134.184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!zjoust sorry >[]<(+)*100000
< 1472514972 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38bf:1ec1:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1472514972 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.sorry: points -12.07, score 15.98, rank 16/47
< 1472515171 0 :zemhill__!bfjoust@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kaoD.sorry: points -11.86, score 16.31, rank 16/47 (--)