00:01:29 Phantom_Hoover: Four and a bit. 00:01:41 i mean since the wiki got started 00:02:24 Well, I don't remember when that was. But elliott said something about going to install it in 2012. 00:03:41 I still wouldn't have done it except that they bundled it into the MediaWiki distribution a while ago, which meant installing it was a one-line edit to LocalSettings. 00:08:20 Maybe around 2020 or so I'll get around to Math. 00:14:04 -!- haavard has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.4). 00:33:05 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Excess Flood). 00:36:08 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:42:46 -!- byteflame has joined. 00:46:19 Zarutian: fizzie nailed it. BCT can emulate CT can emulate any post canonical system 00:46:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:46:50 anyone watching the opening ceremony 00:47:10 the what now? 00:47:20 The big sports thing. 00:47:32 "Here we open up these new box!" is what I thought of 00:47:37 the biggest athletic event of the year 00:47:40 That's an unboxing. 00:48:42 There's a "Finnish people in London" facebook group, I know they're watching it in some scandinavian bar. 00:48:46 quintopia: I have an permanent filter that filters out any and all sport news 00:49:09 Zarutian: impressive. i don't even know how you would set up such a thing. 00:49:33 Zarutian: nonetheless, the opening ceremony is not a sporting event, but rather a performance and a parade. 00:49:34 quintopia: naah, it is more of an mental one. 00:49:39 the performance is usually worth watching 00:49:58 my one exception is curling 00:51:11 so you tuned to sochi in 2014? 00:52:06 nope, just found youtube (or other stored video streaming site) video of the curling 00:53:02 ah 00:53:14 why curling specifically? 00:53:20 did you play? 00:53:34 nope, just low to watch the absurdness of it 00:53:41 s/low/love/ 00:54:06 ...yet you don't tune in for synchronized swimming or dressage? :P 00:54:07 can't beat the cycle sprint for absurdity 00:54:23 dressage beats cycle sprint for absurdity 00:54:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:54:30 helloerjan 00:54:39 dressage is just horses prancing around 00:54:44 hellopia 00:54:47 yes it is 00:55:10 cycle sprint is game theory conspiring to make a cycling race about who can cycle the slowest 00:55:22 @messages-good 00:55:22 int-e said 5h 29m 35s ago: thanks for suggesting stackage-update the other day, it's so much faster than its cabal counterpart! 00:55:25 okay, back in the 1900s, for a year or so, motorboating was an olympic sport. boats driving in circles. 00:56:08 oerjan: I installed Extension:Cite hth hand etc 00:56:52 wat 00:57:01 The thing that lets you . 00:57:05 aha 00:57:59 (I'm advertising this to people I think might care about citations.) 00:58:23 Phantom_Hoover: the game theory aspect could be negated by the invention of uniforms and bikes that channel air into the person behind you, if they would allow that... 01:04:52 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:15:31 brazil has a lot more singable and danceable anthem than average, i should think 01:29:47 -!- centrinia has joined. 01:41:27 that dnsmask looks familiar 02:06:04 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:12:31 -!- Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian). 02:12:54 Nobody will care about the Trump presidential campaign a few generations down the road if he loses; most of the people who have even heard of him might wonder what his position was on funding the Apollo missions (that may be a slight exaggeration, but only slight) 02:13:30 hppavilion[1]: i hereby point you at "Diana: Warrior Princess" hth 02:14:12 -!- heroux has joined. 02:14:23 (disclaimer: never played it, only heard the legends. which somehow seems appropriate.) 02:16:06 of course it my be so old by now that hppavilion[1] gets a meta-experience from it. 02:16:47 wtf hppavilion[1] has been idle for an hour 02:16:51 stupid silent channel 02:17:15 @tell hppavilion[1] if you ping out before seeing what i said, see the logs. 02:17:15 Consider it noted. 02:17:37 Hellu 02:17:39 It didn't beep 02:17:43 @massages-oud 02:17:43 oerjan said 28s ago: if you ping out before seeing what i said, see the logs. 02:17:48 oh? 02:18:17 are you one of those silly people who only get pinged when their nick is at the start of a line 02:18:24 if so, welcome to the club 02:18:48 no wait, i _did_ use it at the start of a line 02:20:33 you know, after this year they really need a new version. 02:27:37 -!- Jafet has joined. 02:33:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:34:44 -!- heroux has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:39:39 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 02:43:46 -!- augur has joined. 02:49:19 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 02:49:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:52:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 02:58:06 -!- heroux has joined. 02:59:25 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:03:15 http://sorting.at/ look how cool this is 03:03:18 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 03:05:48 -!- heroux has joined. 03:08:48 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:16:05 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 03:24:01 -!- heroux has joined. 03:31:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:31:39 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:38:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:46:20 -!- heroux has joined. 03:50:08 -!- Kaynato has joined. 03:51:10 . o O ( new rule: hppavilion[1] doesn't get to bring up mainstream news in the channel ) 03:51:24 :( 03:51:26 it's in . o O ( ) because i'm only tempted 03:51:26 Why not? 03:51:42 How about tributarystream news? 03:51:45 hppavilion[1]: you do a lot of it, and it's all depressing :P 03:51:55 Ah :P 03:54:26 GPL3 says "If the Program specifies that a proxy can decide which future versions of the GNU General Public License can be used, that proxy's public statement of acceptance of a version permanently authorizes you to choose that version for the Program." I think this might be useful for protecting business interests, although the proxy should always authorize it if they do not have a good reason not to, and if the company goes defunct, they should 04:04:19 The proxy feature in the GPLv3 is one of its best features. 04:05:12 * izabera gets her sarcasm detector 04:07:32 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:08:33 I doubt it is of much use unless you are running a business, but for a business it looks like a good feature. 04:12:26 You can just omit "or later version" and omit the proxy too, but then it can be problem if there are new versions of GPL that can be good and then they cannot be used. If you do add "or later version" then the business does not have full control over the licensing of the software they are selling, and that can be a different problem. With the proxy, you can avoid both problems. 04:14:26 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:14:54 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:15:24 . o O ( can you be your own proxy ) 04:16:21 I would expect so; I do not see anything that says that you can't. 04:19:15 Though if you are a copyright holder, who needs a proxy? 04:19:20 You can dictate terms. 04:21:17 In case there are multiple copyright holders I suppose, or in case the copyright holder is dead. 04:22:44 pikhq: I assume the intent is to declare yourself as the proxy for your program so that you can control icensing on derivatives? 04:22:48 *licensing 04:23:12 alercah: Except you can only control licensing on derivatives made with the same terms, proxy and all. 04:23:32 Though, it's likely that would be the case for a decent number of projects. 04:26:37 -!- Jafet has joined. 04:36:50 -!- heroux has joined. 04:43:56 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:52:08 -!- heroux has joined. 05:00:06 -!- Kaynato has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:32:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:14:05 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:56:38 -!- Dr0xSmartassE6 has joined. 08:09:38 Define "pre-haste" 08:18:18 i think i'll wait until it's more urgent. 08:22:42 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:36:58 -!- Jafet has joined. 09:06:31 -!- MoALTz has joined. 09:14:20 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:34:32 I want https://vine.co/v/edXbvrwdpgE to be made into a techno remix 09:55:30 https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/761188320042823680/pu/vid/1280x720/0lw0LhCnZzpop7sO.mp4 sfw 10:03:21 where is this from 10:04:03 also that tree grew fast 10:07:07 it's the latest ending in the anime 10:18:18 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 10:27:17 There's a rumor that Matt Smith will be back on Doctor Who 10:28:08 (Personally, the best thing EVER would be The Doctor regenerating... into (the appearance of) Amy Pond... but that doesn't seem likely) 10:28:35 (the best thing ever would be the Doctor regenerating into the Master) 10:28:36 (They did fairly recently establish that Time Lords can flip genders on the regeneration, so I'm expecting The Doctor to be a woman fairly soon) 10:29:31 -!- Akaibu has joined. 11:17:30 anybody can tell me what to look for if i want to find stuff about the _real_ mahjong and not these pair finding solitaire games? 11:34:54 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:50:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:07:10 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:50:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:09:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:12:10 -!- boily has joined. 13:22:13 @metar CYUL 13:22:13 CYUL 061200Z 28014KT 15SM FEW010 BKN070 23/19 A2965 RMK CF1ACC6 CF TR SLP041 DENSITY ALT 1400FT 13:25:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:37:29 -!- Akaibu has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 14:21:12 -!- boily has quit (Quit: OTAKU CHICKEN). 15:21:57 -!- moon-moon has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.5). 15:33:10 [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * AshuraTheHedgehog * New user account 15:51:54 [wiki] [[User:AshuraTheHedgehog]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49077 * AshuraTheHedgehog * (+565) Created page with "'''''Under construction.''''' These are '''all''' of my Brainfuck derivatives: == BF-M == Brainfuck with a memory cell. +, -, >, <, ., ,. [, and ] are unchanged...." 15:56:03 i wouldn't be proud of that 16:09:48 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 16:14:13 -!- Dr0xSmartassE6 has left. 16:15:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:37:35 [wiki] [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49078&oldid=33564 * AshuraTheHedgehog * (+234) Added my attempt. 17:37:34 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:43:08 -!- Zarutian has joined. 17:46:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:48:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:01:25 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:25:18 If you are betting at roulette in American casino and have unlimited time, and you have $1000 but you need $2000 then what strategy is best? The answer in this case is to bet everything on black (or on red, or odd, or even). But how will the strategy differ if you need only $1500 instead, or if you need $3456 instead? What changes if there is a maximum bet imposed, or if you are betting at crap instead of roulette? 18:26:50 if I have all the time I need why don't I just put it into a bank account :P 18:28:39 And can we simplify this to a fair coin throw? 18:29:46 though, perhaps not... because that would make it a zero sum game, and as long as you never overshoot your target, you'll have a 50% chance of reaching $2k and a 50% chance of going broke, regardless of your strategy. 18:30:12 (just a simple expected value computation) 18:30:38 "zero sum" is the wrong term, I mean expected earnings are zero. 18:32:57 $1500 is still boring; you can just bet $500 (on one of the 18/37 chances) all the time. 18:36:35 But for $2500, is it better to bet $500, then $1000, or vice versa? 18:37:17 The chance of winning is less than 50% regardless of what strategy is used. The game is memoryless, and you cannot use bank interest, other games, asking other people for help, comp bonuses, cheating, angling, etc. 18:37:35 And you have those good points too. I don't know what is best for $2500. 18:43:15 I believe you about $1500 if the game is roulette at least; but at craps I don't know because the betting is much more complicated. 18:44:33 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:45:24 (I'm not sure that these complications change much, although the odds and so on seem to be more confusing, and changing bets is sometimes possible, and even bets are also sometimes possible as auxiliary bets.) 18:45:53 -!- moon_ has joined. 18:47:36 apparently the greedy approach wins out 18:54:10 (I get a 38.2% chance for greedy, and a 37.6% chance for the non-greedy strategy, of reaching $2500) 18:54:25 OK 18:55:00 assuming 18/37 odds of winning and 19/37 odds of losing 18:56:20 More strange restrictions than a maximum bet would be to require the bet to be a prime number of dollars. (This restrictions is not actually used at any casino as far as I know, though.) 18:57:11 Or, to disallow any bet to be the same amount as any previous bet (also something that does not exist as far as I know). Or both restrictions together. 19:11:26 -!- Augure has joined. 19:14:12 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:19:11 -!- iaglium has quit (Quit: Bed Time). 19:21:13 Anyone using tarot? 19:21:49 I have no tarot cards. I know a few (but not much) about it. 19:22:15 `welcome Augure 19:22:25 HackEgo: c'mon 19:22:43 Augure: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 19:22:47 What I know is that a standard deck has 78 cards, being fourteen in each minor suit (rods, swords, cups, and coins; these are the Latin suits, some are French suited), and twenty-one trumps, and one Fool or Excuse (also sometimes considered a trump). 19:23:20 Also in some decks the coins have pentagrams on them; this is irrelevant, they are still the same suit of coins. 19:23:54 -!- iaglium has joined. 19:25:55 HackEgo is 182 seconds idle it says 19:27:24 int-e: Just type the correct output yourself if you know what it is 19:27:46 Oh sorry guys ah ah ;) 19:28:47 Augure: We are unlikely to answer your questions, but you can ask if you wish I suppose; it would probably better to asking someone else I think, though. 19:30:28 -!- Augure has left. 19:30:36 zzo38: it did reply 19:30:46 O yes it did. 19:30:55 Why is it sometimes slow though? 19:31:09 Sometimes it is fast, and sometimes very slow. 19:31:21 And it seems sometimes you get error messages that should not occur. 19:32:57 I think it's slow because it's sharing a host with too many other VMs... possibly doing stupid stuff like cryptocurrency mining, password cracking and the like 19:34:43 O, OK 19:39:22 (As far as I recall, HackEgo is running on one of those $35 for a life time VMs at Cloud at Cost... and overloading the hosts is pretty much the only way that this can be a sustainable business.) 19:39:46 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 19:40:42 Oh and of course there will be no people handling issues... abuse, VMs running amok (you're not supposed to have long-running CPU intensive jobs) etc. 19:40:50 * int-e shrugs 19:42:30 Maybe you should get your own computer that you can put it in? 19:45:03 int-e: It's one of those, yes. Although it's some higher-tier offering than the $35 one. 19:45:53 2G RAM and so on. 19:46:18 zzo38: I'm already paying for lambdabot's VM (and doing it gladly, but I don't want to do that for two bots). 19:48:01 O, OK 19:48:05 -!- heroux has joined. 19:53:54 The same system is running the wiki as well. 19:58:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:01:12 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:13:47 -!- kuroro has left. 21:02:12 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 21:16:01 -!- augur has joined. 21:22:19 can we talk for a moment about the man who attacked a police station with a machete in belgium? 21:22:25 how fucking stupid is that 21:22:34 quite a lot 21:22:56 how hard is it to get a gun in belgium? 21:23:19 Maybe it's more about making a statement 21:23:27 what statement? 21:23:43 the Gävle goat got torched one year by someone firing a fire arrow into it while being dressed up.. there's probably easier ways to torch it 21:23:55 but it's kind of more notable that way 21:24:19 but he was shot dead before even managing to kill one police officer 21:24:34 i can't think of anything more inefficient than that 21:25:04 ok maybe if you blow yourself up /in a desert/... 21:26:26 they dont have anti-riot-foam? (Basically uhu glue or equiv forced through an areosolizer) 21:26:49 where can i get a ton of that? 21:27:06 Maybe they want to die without too much police investigations? 21:32:31 izabera: could be a suicide by proxy thing, rather than poltical 21:33:10 izabera: hardware stores and general stores? Just take the areosolizer (must be of metal) of an spraycan, make a pressure container that has that plus ports for four of those sodastream/whipped-cream CO2 charges. Take the glue and put it in the pressure container, use four CO2 charges. 21:34:22 you should start selling it 21:35:51 i don't even know what to think of that suicide by proxy thing 21:35:58 reading about it for the first time now 21:38:39 Hmm, I've read the term somewhere, I didn't know it was born out of a religious loophole. 21:45:24 `danddreclist 81 21:45:37 danddreclist 81: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex 21:51:15 I hope that I can somehow to convince them that the tin cups are magic and to trick them to go there just before they fall down and make noise. If they try to dispel it after they fall and make the noise, they will fail to dispel it, because the cups are not magic! 21:57:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:57:50 -!- augur has joined. 21:57:55 While in the prison cell, with no items or magic (except for a few short lengths of rope), I would have to figure out how to confuse them and lead them astray. 22:03:24 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:04:05 -!- augur has joined. 22:06:13 -!- atrapado has joined. 22:28:48 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:38:53 -!- Guest75937 has joined. 22:45:12 hello 22:52:15 -!- gamemanj has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 22:56:40 -!- Guest75937 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:19:04 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in). 23:22:49 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:26:28 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 23:47:59 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 23:51:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:57:10 ick my left cursor key has gone all mushy 23:57:15 helloerjan 23:57:59 hellopia 23:58:39 anybody can tell me what to look for if i want to find stuff about the _real_ mahjong and not these pair finding solitaire games? <-- i assume boily knows, and possibly zzo38.