00:00:25 i guess i played a couple MUDs, and that's about all of rpg-like things. (excluding a game for Oric-1 called Zodiac, which i never got very far in.) 00:00:46 no first person shooters, ever, afair. 00:01:19 the hydra game hth 00:01:22 and palisade hth 00:01:33 i thnk that counts as "abstract puzzle" hth 00:01:51 i wasn't going to list those individually. 00:01:55 *think 00:02:11 -!- moon_ has quit (Quit: Page closed). 00:02:24 what about nomic hth 00:02:41 i didn't count that as a computer game. 00:03:09 unless you want to argue semantics tdnh 00:03:25 except for that schemenomic thing, once. 00:03:33 isn't that what nomic is about 00:03:42 shachaf: ...point. 00:05:57 the chances of getting deeper into gaming diminished sharply after my hands started aching back in 2003 or thereabouts. 00:06:51 i feel like there are genres of game that you can play fine even with that 00:07:11 like there are strategy games which require about the same level of mouse use as just web browsing 00:08:14 i don't use a mouse these days, but a trackpad. also, i can ache simply from typing if i do it long enough. 00:08:47 trackpad, mouse, if you can click buttons on a screen it works out the same 00:09:15 well i'm just not sure how different they are for the hands. 00:10:33 -!- augur has joined. 00:11:42 -!- moon_ has joined. 00:13:48 You can play text adventures with voice control hth 00:14:14 hizzie 00:14:27 `tervetuloa fizzie 00:14:28 fizzie: Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavan #esoteric päälle EFnet tai Dalnet.) 00:15:23 That's very silly. 00:15:35 What is? 00:15:39 grammar corrections are also `welcome hth 00:15:53 Telling people to go to Dalnet #esoteric, when it doesn't even exist? 00:16:05 it used to? 00:16:25 it was the first we found afair. 00:16:27 oerjan: Everything except the parenthetical remark seems fine. 00:16:57 fizzie: and the grammar of that is atrocious? 00:16:57 HackEgo: what are you Muumin' for 00:17:01 -!- almightynsx1 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:17:01 wait, that doesn't make sense 00:17:10 we _do_ get the other kind occasionally. 00:17:29 moomins are tg 00:17:32 in fact we have one here right now, who somehow doesn't leave. 00:17:45 no wait 00:17:50 e just left. 00:18:03 although there might be others. 00:18:08 The latter could be something like: "kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa." 00:19:09 `slwd welcome.fi//s/kokeile.*/kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)/ 00:19:12 wisdom/welcome.fi//Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.) 00:19:35 It's hard because you really would need to inflect the names EFnet and Dalnet, and they're not really very Finnish. So I cheated by making it "in the EFnet or Dalnet network" instead. 00:20:02 Efnetti 00:20:10 *F 00:20:17 oerjan: are you making fun of finland 00:20:20 tdnh 00:20:26 Well. EFnetissä. Maybe. 00:20:40 the dogs now howl 00:21:06 -!- baordog has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:21:11 the owls now hdog 00:21:16 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:21:19 (For some reason, in Finnish, the channels are definitely "in", not "on".) 00:21:31 oerjan: that doesn't make a tonh of sense hth 00:21:43 socking 00:21:55 fizzie: Do you recommend learning Finnish? 00:21:58 Hyperbolic dog. 00:22:15 Or no, that'd be dogh. 00:22:43 arcdog 00:23:01 my arcdog has an arctic problem 00:23:40 * oerjan arcs his swatter onto shachaf -----### 00:24:18 -!- almightynsx has joined. 00:25:02 i,i internet relay cat 00:27:44 is shacaf a decaf brand 00:28:18 why would it be decaf 00:28:26 -!- almightynsx has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 00:29:26 -!- moon_ has joined. 00:29:35 for ryming purposes hth 00:30:24 i c wut u did 00:30:49 quhintopia 00:31:07 oerjan: You have permission to mispronounce my name, because I always mispronounce yours. 00:31:18 altoug, i tink you meant "for ryming purposes t" t 00:31:26 how would i randomly run one of 5 diffrent commands? (bash) 00:31:38 shachaf: but, but, i've been training on uvular fricatives 00:31:41 How does Finnish generally handle the inflection of foreign names, fizzie? 00:31:49 hi lynn 00:32:00 . o O ( "badly" ) 00:32:21 did you hear about how unary nfa universality is conp-complete (scow) 00:32:24 ...i would never have thought to pronounce shachaf with a uvular fricative 00:32:26 (that's the inflection, not the fricatives) 00:32:27 now i'm going to 00:32:33 shachaf: yes. 00:32:37 That's the official pronunciation. 00:32:45 oerjan: Yes what? 00:33:04 shachaf: i saw int-e point out that's an equivalent formulation 00:33:28 quintopia: you could sabotage it by pronouncing the "sh" as one instead 00:33:53 oerjan: i'll voice the "sh" hth 00:33:57 what is conp 00:34:06 CoNP 00:34:09 oh 00:34:12 oh, and btw, the stress is apparently on the first syllable, which was opposite of my initial assumption. 00:34:32 Your initial assumption was that it's on the other two? 00:34:44 i've never thought of emphasizing the second syllable--now i'm going to 00:35:33 new unofficial quintopia pronunciation: "zhach AS fuck" 00:35:59 quintopia: that would be "for ryming purposes t t", i think, since it would break my script. 00:36:05 that makes me feel better about "schaf" ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schafe ) 00:36:14 oerjan: what awful pun didn't you make 00:36:34 oerjan: I mean there was a bunch of bad puns anyway 00:36:38 My pronunciation advice: say "shachaf-chan" but pronounce "shachaf" all wrong but make the ch in "chan" is a uvular fricative 00:37:00 CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!~~~~~ 00:37:02 lynn: We just mangle them in the way that sounds least bad. 00:37:42 moon_: using shuf -n 1 maybe? 00:37:50 (as an ingredient.) 00:38:09 So it would likely be "EFnetissä", "Dalnetissa". 00:38:13 oerjan: i think maybe they were asking about the giant nested if statement, and possible replacements for it? 00:38:29 mantissa, exponent 00:38:38 moon_: oh and -e looks useful too 00:38:51 And if someone is impolite enough to put vowel harmony mismatch already in the original word, we'd probably just get all confused. 00:39:06 (Mostly an issue with y.) 00:39:06 `` shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g 00:39:08 t 00:39:26 that was the most likely outcome! 00:39:36 `` `shuf -e -n 1 'echo hi' 'echo ho'` 00:39:36 `` shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g 00:39:40 ho 00:39:40 t 00:39:42 Dälnetissä 00:39:48 moon_: ^ 00:39:56 kkthx 00:40:18 `` for i in $(seq 1000); do shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g; done | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn 00:40:31 int-e: a pun with "pouting" hth 00:40:41 272 t \ 169 i \ 153 s \ 146 g \ 139 n \ 121 e 00:41:24 Thanks 00:41:26 CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!~~~~~ <-- with that, it feels hard not to make the CH a full trill hth 00:42:06 oerjan: go ahead. i do. 00:43:08 oerjan: would you be pouting nonsense? 00:43:16 Your initial assumption was that it's on the other two? <-- i'd read somewhere that hebrew stress is usually on the last syllable, or something else i garbled into that. 00:43:19 * int-e is too tired to think of anything better than that. 00:43:51 oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Hebrew_phonology#Stress hth 00:44:02 shachaf: whence did derogatory adjective "scow" originate? twh 00:44:12 `? scow 00:44:15 Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. 00:44:16 quintopia: scowling, I though 00:44:22 quintopia: It originated on a scow. 00:44:24 t 00:44:27 Near Los Angeles. 00:44:50 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 00:44:52 `? shachaf 00:44:54 Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. 00:44:56 shachaf: by a passenger or crew? 00:45:05 Passenger. 00:45:08 s 00:45:18 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:45:32 hmm, that entry fails to mention the propensity to lie about etymology 00:45:43 And if someone is impolite enough to put vowel harmony mismatch already in the original word [...] <-- Ørjan feels targeted 00:45:55 shachaf: and how did you come to be the only other person in the universe to use it? 00:46:00 int-e: When have I lied about etymology? 00:46:09 quintopia: I'm not the only person in the universe to use it! 00:46:14 For example, oerjan uses it. 00:46:19 Being young and impressionable. 00:46:40 Other people also use it. 00:46:49 yes but i doubt he uses it anywhere but here, thereby not perpetrating it to the wider population 00:46:59 quintopia: i didn't see the if statement, but he did say "random". 00:47:11 I can believe the lispy cow. 00:47:11 oerjan: Well, the ø alone is pretty weird, so. 00:47:15 oerjan: Do you speak English anywhere but here? 00:47:25 oerjan: oh i didn't see random. also you are far behind the present moment? 00:47:50 I don't think "scow" has a direct translation to Norwegian or German or any of oerjan's other languages. 00:49:28 -!- almightynsx has joined. 00:49:43 oh when did dictionary.com add maps? 00:50:05 e.g. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scowl 00:50:08 I thought "dictionary" and "map" meant the same thing. 00:50:15 In Python, for example. 00:50:22 shachaf: map is something you do with dictionaries hth 00:52:01 :t map 00:52:02 (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] 00:52:05 :t dictionary 00:52:06 Not in scope: ‘dictionary’ 00:53:31 -!- Zekka has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:58:24 -!- atrapado has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:03:24 oerjan: Do you speak English anywhere but here? <-- i'm only on two chat channels, really, and the other doesn't have much talk. 01:03:41 * oerjan waves to quintopia from the past 01:05:36 * oerjan returns briefly to the present, before running 01:11:18 -!- almightynsx has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:14:17 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:15:26 * oerjan notes that the section on /r/ in the article shachaf linked is inconsistent on whether israelis prefer velar or uvular. 01:16:00 oerjan: hey, i linked to the stress section hth 01:16:11 oerjan: Last I tried I can't distinguish velar and uvular fricatives. 01:16:59 i suppose you need an oscilloscope :P 01:17:30 shachaf: yes, but i was thinking of something i wanted to check 01:19:23 oerjan: Anyway those are voiced fricatives. 01:19:28 Of course the one in my name is unvoiced. 01:19:38 i figured. 01:22:00 apparently it's been discussed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Modern_Hebrew_phonology#Uvular_Fricative 01:22:55 "Perhaps they are supposed to be uvular, but this article is about what they actually are, which is velar in 80% of speakers according to Dekel (2014), who performed a statistical study to answer exactly this question." 01:23:14 I'm not actually sure what a velar fricative is. 01:23:39 shachaf: well it depends on where in your mouth your tongue is blocking... 01:23:39 I know what a uvula is. 01:23:49 But do I even have a vela? 01:24:16 well g and k are velar stops afaik 01:25:58 velum=soft palate, supposedly 01:26:26 although that's a pretty big region, isn't it. 01:28:41 and afaiu the discussion, "back velar" is hard to distinguish from uvular. 01:28:49 -!- byteflame has joined. 01:34:06 * oerjan posts on the talk page 01:35:02 * shachaf wonders whether to bring up fixing the error in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_language#Decidability_properties 01:35:08 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:35:21 that's your job hth 01:35:23 It's a serious error, claiming that it's NP-complete when it's really coNP-complete. 01:37:13 -!- Cale has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:37:21 got bored 01:37:31 I think I might have found a solution to the paradox of the stone, but it's pretty fucking stupid (and still can be broken) 01:37:33 now im running something silly 01:37:44 What is it? 01:38:07 God becomes more powerful as needed 01:38:18 So he creates a really heavy stone that he can't currently lift 01:38:27 But then when he needs to, he becomes stronger so he can lift it 01:38:50 could he make a stone that he could never lift 01:39:07 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 01:39:08 Phantom_Hoover: No. 01:39:10 Certainly, just make it a unmoving object 01:39:13 well 01:39:14 hmm 01:39:22 maybe not actually, depends on view point 01:39:33 Wait! Just use relativity! 01:39:35 -!- Cale has joined. 01:39:40 Could God make an argument so circular that even He couldn't believe it? 01:39:50 -!- idris-bot has joined. 01:39:55 Hmm idunno 01:39:56 "Most of my arguments are elliptical" 01:40:41 someone try telnetting to this silly server a few times: 76.1.72.128 5318 01:44:11 -!- byteflame has joined. 01:44:30 shachaf: ok i didn't find the answer to what i was actually looking for, so i have to ask you: are hebrew t, p, k aspirated or not? 01:44:45 What's aspirated? 01:45:20 a small h sound at the end, essentially. english has it, except after s. 01:45:34 (as does norwegian.) 01:46:31 germanic languages tend to have aspirated unvoiced plosives, romance languages tend not to afaik. 01:46:48 and i've read somewhere that semitic languages can have aspiration... 01:47:34 (some languages, like ancient greek and standard chinese, distinguish stops _only_ with aspiration, not voicing.) 01:47:52 no wait 01:48:05 greek also has voicing - three way distinction. 01:51:35 I'm not sure. 01:51:41 Is it only at the end of a word or something? 01:52:08 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:52:21 it's mostly before a vowel. 01:53:10 -!- byteflame has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:53:50 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant suggest testing it by holding your palm in front of your mouth to feel how much air there is. 01:53:55 *+s 01:54:30 (in english, there should be more with "pin" than with "bin".) 01:55:11 Wait, how do you pronounce "p" unaspirated? 01:55:41 take a "b" and just don't voice it, i think... 01:56:24 oh, also contrast "pin" vs. "spin", the latter should be unaspirated. 01:57:51 "Aspiration varies with place of articulation. The Spanish voiceless stops /p t k/ have voice-onset times (VOTs) of about 5, 10, and 30 milliseconds, whereas English aspirated /p t k/ have VOTs of about 60, 70, and 80 ms." 01:58:52 -!- augur has joined. 02:03:38 "French,[5] Standard Dutch,[6] Tamil, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Modern Greek, and Latvian are languages that do not have aspirated consonants." 02:04:50 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:05:33 * oerjan surprised about dutch 02:08:34 -!- Jafet has joined. 02:13:02 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:14:42 huh the article used to use "spin" as the example, but someone changed it to "bin". 02:18:04 -!- _miketo has changed nick to miketo. 02:18:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:20:48 -!- Cale has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:20:56 -!- Cale has joined. 02:21:46 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:22:00 -!- Cale has joined. 02:22:51 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:23:11 -!- Cale has joined. 02:24:04 huh the article used to use "spin" as the example, but someone changed it to "bin". 02:24:08 oops 02:24:21 Cale: *cough* 02:25:16 sorry 02:25:28 turns out, shift-* on my keyboard is just next to up-return 02:25:32 Was just sorting out something with my IRC client 02:25:50 ah. i was thinking you'd got into a bad cycle. 02:27:08 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 02:27:29 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!~wibblewob@yakamo.org$##fixyourconnection. 02:27:59 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b ent0*!*@*$##fixyourconnection. 02:28:15 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b Lilly_Goodman!*canaima@*. 02:31:05 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net$##fixyourconnection. 02:31:52 * oerjan wishes freenode didn't keep resetting the times on bans 02:32:09 we need elliott here to do a proper cleanup of the list :( 02:32:30 69 bans left 02:33:20 is elliott the only +F? 02:34:04 ... apparently it's freenode-staff?!? 02:34:40 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b $a:`0x00. 02:34:48 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:35:39 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b $a:silverstream. 02:36:10 -!- almightynsx has joined. 02:36:18 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 02:37:00 alercah: elliott isn't an op, as he left and got deregistered. however, he was very good with cleaning up the ban list :P 02:37:26 ahh 02:37:27 i'm pretty sure i have all the authority, i just don't have the skill. 02:38:03 i think fizzie should be the founder but apparently freenode has a different policy :( 02:38:22 (he's the oldest op nick afaik) 02:38:24 Wikipedia is calling transitions of NFA that match an empty string as epsilon transitions, but a book I have is calling them as lambda transitions instead. Do you know why? 02:39:03 I do not. 02:39:17 but for what it's worth, I learned them as epsilon 02:39:28 zzo38: I never heard "lambda". 02:40:34 Haskell calls it \& 02:40:40 The book that is calling them lambda transitions is from 1988 02:41:02 Oh, I don't believe in books that were written before I was born. 02:41:19 anyway, because freenode resets the times on the ban list, and also adds new ones at either end, i'm pretty confused about which bans are old enough that they're safe to remove. 02:41:30 Why not generalize NFAs further? 02:41:42 If you allow epsilon transitions, why not allow transitions to be labeled with arbitrary strings? 02:43:09 That would be possible to do too yes, and then you can easily convert into the one that only allows up to one symbol. 02:43:12 (I think) 02:43:38 you can label them with arbitrary regexes hth 02:44:06 Yes you can do that too and then convert them. 02:44:09 also, the atoms of the regexes can be NFAs 02:44:23 and then you can add some turtles to taste 02:49:57 DFA can sometimes have many more states than the corresponding NFA. However DFA can also be made minimized. What will it be if a NFA has these restrictions: [1] A state can have no more than one epsilon transition leading out. [2] A state can have no more than one epsilon transition leading in. [3] It is not allowed to form a loop entirely of epsilon transitions. 02:51:00 What do you mean, what will it be? 02:54:16 you can eliminate epsilon-transitions though 02:54:33 Right. 02:54:49 You can eliminate arbitrary string transitions, too. 02:54:58 -!- moon_ has joined. 02:55:22 76.1.72.128, port 5318. i got bored and made this :P might keep it up just for the fun of it 02:58:16 -!- almightynsx has quit (Read error: Connection timed out). 03:01:06 I don't know what it is, and I cannot seem to connect either 03:02:02 -!- moon_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 03:03:52 `? chicken 03:03:58 chicken is boily af 03:04:07 How can you convert into a minimum NFA that has the three restrictions I mentioned? 03:05:11 Why do you like those restrictions? 03:06:07 A parser I have designed has these restrictions. 03:18:29 -!- almightynsx has joined. 03:25:50 -!- almightynsx1 has joined. 03:27:21 -!- almightynsx has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:32:12 -!- almightynsx has joined. 03:35:59 -!- almightynsx1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:36:05 -!- almightynsx2 has joined. 03:36:30 -!- almightynsx has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 03:42:14 -!- almightynsx has joined. 03:43:02 -!- almightynsx has quit (Client Quit). 03:43:03 -!- almightynsx2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:45:10 -!- Zekka has joined. 04:01:26 -!- moon_ has joined. 04:05:34 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 04:06:22 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 04:08:20 -!- Cale has joined. 04:16:48 `learn The password of the month is Strindberg 04:17:06 Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Strindberg 04:30:13 -!- moon_ has changed nick to moonythedwarf. 04:59:19 -!- centrinia has joined. 05:18:44 -!- moonythedwarf has changed nick to moon_. 05:30:43 -!- moon_ has changed nick to [poke-for-poke]. 05:39:12 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:40:02 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 05:53:40 -!- miketo has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:00:27 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:00:34 -!- miketo has joined. 06:01:03 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:03:56 -!- [poke-for-poke] has changed nick to [ctcp-for-yellin. 06:04:01 -!- [ctcp-for-yellin has changed nick to [ctcp-for-yell]. 06:12:50 -!- miketo has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:19:03 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:27:36 -!- Jafet has joined. 06:49:12 -!- [ctcp-for-yell] has quit (Quit: Bye). 06:49:36 -!- moon__ has joined. 06:49:38 -!- moon__ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 06:50:14 -!- moon__ has joined. 06:50:17 -!- moon__ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 06:50:34 -!- moon__ has joined. 06:50:36 -!- moon__ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 06:51:00 -!- moon__ has joined. 06:58:13 -!- moon__ has changed nick to moonythedwarf. 06:58:41 -!- moonythedwarf has changed nick to [ctcp-for-yell]. 07:00:37 -!- bauen1 has joined. 07:00:39 <[ctcp-for-yell]> Network went crazy 07:00:41 <[ctcp-for-yell]> srry 07:01:39 Can any computer printer support printing in invisible ink as well as black? 07:02:22 <[ctcp-for-yell]> No idea lol 07:02:56 I intend to make the FreeUHS "print" program to support an option to tell it what specials (if any) to use to tell it to select or deselect invisible ink, so that if this option is used, then you can print the contents of the hints in invisible ink. 07:04:01 (Such a program can be implemented even if no such thing currently exists, because when it does exist, then that option can be used.) 07:05:32 Another thing that can be put is to cover up the text and then you can scratch it off in order to read it (like some lottery cards). 07:06:21 -!- Cale has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:06:30 -!- Cale has joined. 07:10:12 -!- centrinia has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:13:50 <[ctcp-for-yell]> i wonder what would happen if i fed a ethernet switch 2.5v through the data lines, no ossilation or changes 07:18:10 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 07:19:59 [ctcp-for-yell]: If you're applying 2.5v on a *pair*, rather than individual parts of the pair? Not much. 07:20:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:21:11 A similar (but fairly carefully specified) scheme is used in Power over Ethernet. 07:21:44 <[ctcp-for-yell]> would 2.5v ac do damage? 07:21:55 2.5V AC would probably ruin the signal. 07:22:24 <[ctcp-for-yell]> 120v ac? 07:24:11 120V AC would likely ruin the signal, possibly the cable as well, and might ruin the opto-isolator in the Ethernet switch. 07:24:37 <[ctcp-for-yell]> I was hoping it'd start it on fire : 07:24:54 <[ctcp-for-yell]> ok, neon transformer hooked to it lol 07:25:04 (though I *think* the opto-isolator is actually rated for a couple kV?) 07:25:15 Arc through the insulation on the cable. 07:25:31 <[ctcp-for-yell]> Ruin everythin 07:25:35 <[ctcp-for-yell]> ? 07:25:51 Wouldn't even reach the switch, it'd be arcing pretty close to where you hook the cable up. 07:26:52 If you want to have a good guarantee of destroying a switch you'd need to basically connect all of its contacts up to a Tesla coil or a beefy capacitor bank or something. 07:27:12 <[ctcp-for-yell]> Someone already said that in ##chat 07:28:42 One of the nice things about Ethernet is it's designed to be pretty robust to people screwing it up, from a physical or electrical point-of-view... 07:29:04 Your most likely failure cases are just gonna make the network stop working, not cause lasting damage to equipment on the network. 07:34:33 -!- Sgeo__ has joined. 07:36:03 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:37:21 [ctcp-for-yell]: if you really want to screw up a network switch, try to make a virus 07:37:47 there are probably already viruses that pread over ethernet 07:38:02 <[ctcp-for-yell]> on outdated switches a socket into socket cable works sometimes 07:38:46 That'll screw up the network it's attached to, not the switch itself (permanently). :) 07:39:39 <[ctcp-for-yell]> Ik 07:39:54 <[ctcp-for-yell]> works on stupid it/big server tho 07:41:02 <[ctcp-for-yell]> It also works on my home netwrk :P 07:44:17 -!- [ctcp-for-yell] has changed nick to dontctcp. 07:45:24 -!- farrioth has joined. 07:46:39 it's somewhat unlikely that a mains AC waveform will be decoded as a valid ethernet frame 07:46:39 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:50:25 Jafet: Yes, but it will likely corrupt any Ethernet frames going over the cable. 07:51:10 -!- dontctcp has changed nick to moon__. 07:55:45 even at 60 Hz? an ethernet frame is much smaller than 1/60s. 07:56:03 https://devnull-as-a-service.com/ 07:56:06 They will collide 07:58:04 -!- moon__ has left ("Leaving"). 07:58:24 Jafet: Whatever you're doing, it sounds like a bad idea... 07:58:43 Jafet: I dunno, I'd be worried about it considering it's adding a 50/60 Hz 120V waveform to a 2.5V AC signal. 07:59:00 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:59:17 ... That said it probably shouldn't do much more than be noise. 08:00:19 www.name.tld: the domain of the tribush 08:01:05 Huh, this is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush is _not_ a redirect 08:01:32 where did you expect it to redirect? 08:02:19 izabera: Well, "Jeb" isn't Jeb Bush's name 08:02:26 Jeb = John Ellis Bush 08:02:42 maybe he should change it 08:02:47 Yeah 08:02:52 wikipedia says so 08:13:13 Jebush 08:13:36 je suis bush 08:13:52 ...somehow sounds like ambush, so I've immediately discarded the idea 08:15:08 hppavilion[1]: iirc wikipedia policy is to usually name articles what most people call the subject. 08:16:45 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump <- why is this not called big fat racist? 08:22:24 (is it worse to be a big fat racist, or to be a miserable failure?) 08:28:30 Jafet: Trump isn't yet qualified as a miserable failure, because he is yet to be president 08:30:51 I'm not sure whether Trump's wikipedia article (see: http://loser.com/) is biased 08:30:57 I feel like it is, but then again, I'm biased 08:31:17 "Trump is a strong proponent of law and order. He has suggested a temporary suspension of immigration to the United States from nations having a "proven history" of terrorism against the U.S. until more precise vetting techniques can be put in place to screen out potential terrorists; he also believes that the quick defeat of ISIS is mandatory." 08:31:32 It's a little incorrect, because it's not so much nations with that history as it is muslims 08:32:31 Whether or not they have that history 09:07:09 When the ratio of illegitimate births in comparison to the number of total births is high, the number of mustaches within the population drops 09:07:11 Apparently 09:08:00 -!- augur has joined. 09:13:09 maybe they get killed by husbands 09:19:03 -!- Zekka has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:20:39 -!- Alcest has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:24:25 This one is mostly for the logs: my vacation to Sweden and Norway starts on 2016-08-05 and ends on 2016-08-17, I'll be barely available during that time. I probably won't be on the internet, or only a little. I might not even be reading email much. For urgent problems, try phone call and SMS, or call my family. 09:25:09 i'll just send you an owl like every normal person 09:26:07 b_jonas: How can I reach your family? 09:27:05 -!- Zekka has joined. 09:29:56 creep 09:30:58 lol 09:31:02 Do you think that's justified? 09:34:58 shachaf: if you're a co-worker or family or other person who should know, ask me privately and I can give email and phone number of them 09:35:16 -!- MDude has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:35:25 or you might already know 09:35:26 Ah, I didn't realize those folks were in here. 09:35:36 -!- MDude has joined. 09:36:17 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 09:36:33 they aren't, probably 09:36:44 so if you're here, then you probably won't want to reach me for anything urgent 09:37:01 but it's hard to tell anything for sure, especially about people reading a public log 09:37:31 and besides, if you want to meet me, and ask nicely in private, I can probably give my phone number (even if not my family's) 09:38:30 -!- contrapumpkin has joined. 09:40:25 (mind you, it's probably not that hard to find a contact for my family on the internet, since some of them has the same last name as me) 09:40:38 But I've forgotten your last name. 09:40:42 Though it's somewhere in the logs. 09:41:09 Ah, and also on the Internet. 09:41:16 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 09:42:11 it's on the internet, yes 09:43:03 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 10:28:11 -!- gamemanj has joined. 10:46:08 I should probably set up a pager for urgent esolangs.org matters. 10:57:45 what happened this time? 10:58:29 Nothing, just musing. 10:58:46 Inspired by b_jonas' announcement above. 10:59:50 b_jonas: enjoy your vacation 11:05:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:07:32 you should HireFly to handle the pages 11:19:22 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 11:23:37 oh Faraday cage news... fun. 11:24:08 `` (cd wisdom; grep -ri faraday .) 11:24:33 No output. 11:26:17 `grep -ri cage wisdom 11:27:03 grep: invalid option -- ' ' \ Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... \ Try 'grep --help' for more information. 11:27:14 is it ``? 11:27:18 ``grep -ri cage wisdom 11:27:25 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `grep: not found 11:27:27 HackEgo: you are being very slow 11:27:41 `` grep -ri cage wisdom 11:28:08 wisdom/boxmodel:boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb's cage is going to be. 11:29:05 "Taneb's cage"? 11:29:27 I'm not sure people like cages. IDK. Is Taneb a cage collector? 11:29:39 is to to protect Taneb or to protect the other people? 11:30:47 It's obviously to protect Taneb. If we had to protect the other people, well, 11:30:51 that would be impossible anyway. 11:30:57 `? tanebventions 11:31:03 Obviously Taneb's cage is a tanebvention 11:31:17 Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. 11:31:31 `? tanebventions: math 11:31:36 You'd have to somehow protect people from the BBC. 11:31:37 Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the Hodge star operator, pointless topology, and histograms. 11:32:04 `le/rn tanebventions: linguistics//Linguistic tanebventions include [...] 11:32:15 Learned «tanebventions: linguistics» 11:32:42 the common comma 11:32:49 (now falling out of style) 11:33:10 HackEgo: huh? 11:33:21 `? tanebventions: linguistics 11:33:25 /Linguistic tanebventions include [...] 11:33:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:34:41 -!- boily has joined. 11:35:02 `revert 11:35:05 oops 11:35:18 rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. 11:35:32 how does learn/le\rn work? 11:35:36 er 11:35:40 -!- farrioth has quit (Quit: leaving). 11:35:40 learn and le/rn 11:36:06 (Normally) 11:36:07 there's le//rn as well 11:36:23 was le//rn meant to be used instead? 11:36:28 (it's magical) 11:36:37 ybden: maybe! 11:37:05 what about le///rn 11:37:19 `cat bin/slashlearn 11:37:30 or le/s/ignorance/truth/g/rn 11:37:33 sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo "$verb «$key»" 11:38:33 Pretty sure you mean strength 11:41:37 The old musing at https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html from 2002 is still fucking completely true. 11:43:33 @massages-loud 11:43:33 You don't have any messages 11:44:26 boily: have you seen http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2900/fv02843.htm? 11:45:42 -!- int-e has left ("PANICKED CHICKEN"). 11:45:42 -!- int-e has joined. 11:45:51 int-ello. I'm not a chicken and I don't look like a chicken >_>'... <_<;... 11:46:01 I'm a sane man! 11:46:22 `? mad 11:46:25 This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. 11:46:27 :-/ 11:46:47 `? sarlacc 11:46:49 sarlacc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:48:06 int-e: the old version is still there in the PDF hth 11:48:07 I wonder how many other people out there prefer the canine version of FreeFall to the colorized one. 11:48:48 "canine version of FreeFall"??? 11:49:08