< 1470096025 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i played a couple MUDs, and that's about all of rpg-like things. (excluding a game for Oric-1 called Zodiac, which i never got very far in.) < 1470096046 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no first person shooters, ever, afair. < 1470096079 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hydra game hth < 1470096082 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and palisade hth < 1470096093 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thnk that counts as "abstract puzzle" hth < 1470096111 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't going to list those individually. < 1470096115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1470096131 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1470096144 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about nomic hth < 1470096161 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't count that as a computer game. < 1470096189 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to argue semantics tdnh < 1470096205 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that schemenomic thing, once. < 1470096213 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what nomic is about < 1470096222 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...point. < 1470096357 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chances of getting deeper into gaming diminished sharply after my hands started aching back in 2003 or thereabouts. < 1470096411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like there are genres of game that you can play fine even with that < 1470096431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there are strategy games which require about the same level of mouse use as just web browsing < 1470096494 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use a mouse these days, but a trackpad. also, i can ache simply from typing if i do it long enough. < 1470096527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :trackpad, mouse, if you can click buttons on a screen it works out the same < 1470096555 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm just not sure how different they are for the hands. < 1470096633 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470096702 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470096828 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play text adventures with voice control hth < 1470096854 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hizzie < 1470096867 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa fizzie < 1470096868 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavan #esoteric päälle EFnet tai Dalnet.) < 1470096923 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very silly. < 1470096935 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1470096939 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar corrections are also `welcome hth < 1470096953 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telling people to go to Dalnet #esoteric, when it doesn't even exist? < 1470096965 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to? < 1470096985 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the first we found afair. < 1470096987 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Everything except the parenthetical remark seems fine. < 1470097017 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and the grammar of that is atrocious? < 1470097017 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: what are you Muumin' for < 1470097021 0 :almightynsx1!~JD@108.71.36.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470097021 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that doesn't make sense < 1470097030 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ get the other kind occasionally. < 1470097049 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :moomins are tg < 1470097052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we have one here right now, who somehow doesn't leave. < 1470097065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1470097070 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e just left. < 1470097083 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there might be others. < 1470097088 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter could be something like: "kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa." < 1470097149 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slwd welcome.fi//s/kokeile.*/kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)/ < 1470097152 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/welcome.fi//Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.) < 1470097175 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard because you really would need to inflect the names EFnet and Dalnet, and they're not really very Finnish. So I cheated by making it "in the EFnet or Dalnet network" instead. < 1470097202 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efnetti < 1470097210 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*F < 1470097217 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you making fun of finland < 1470097220 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tdnh < 1470097226 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. EFnetissä. Maybe. < 1470097240 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dogs now howl < 1470097266 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470097271 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the owls now hdog < 1470097276 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470097279 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason, in Finnish, the channels are definitely "in", not "on".) < 1470097291 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't make a tonh of sense hth < 1470097303 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :socking < 1470097315 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you recommend learning Finnish? < 1470097318 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperbolic dog. < 1470097335 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no, that'd be dogh. < 1470097363 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcdog < 1470097381 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my arcdog has an arctic problem < 1470097420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION arcs his swatter onto shachaf -----### < 1470097458 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-187.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470097502 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i internet relay cat < 1470097664 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is shacaf a decaf brand < 1470097698 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be decaf < 1470097706 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-187.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470097766 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470097775 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ryming purposes hth < 1470097824 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c wut u did < 1470097849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quhintopia < 1470097867 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have permission to mispronounce my name, because I always mispronounce yours. < 1470097878 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :altoug, i tink you meant "for ryming purposes t" t < 1470097886 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would i randomly run one of 5 diffrent commands? (bash) < 1470097898 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but, but, i've been training on uvular fricatives < 1470097901 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqykwtkqrnnqqnvv PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Finnish generally handle the inflection of foreign names, fizzie? < 1470097909 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lynn < 1470097920 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "badly" ) < 1470097941 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear about how unary nfa universality is conp-complete (scow) < 1470097944 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i would never have thought to pronounce shachaf with a uvular fricative < 1470097946 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the inflection, not the fricatives) < 1470097947 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm going to < 1470097953 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes. < 1470097957 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the official pronunciation. < 1470097965 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes what? < 1470097984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i saw int-e point out that's an equivalent formulation < 1470098008 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you could sabotage it by pronouncing the "sh" as one instead < 1470098033 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll voice the "sh" hth < 1470098037 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is conp < 1470098046 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoNP < 1470098049 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1470098052 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and btw, the stress is apparently on the first syllable, which was opposite of my initial assumption. < 1470098072 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your initial assumption was that it's on the other two? < 1470098084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never thought of emphasizing the second syllable--now i'm going to < 1470098133 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :new unofficial quintopia pronunciation: "zhach AS fuck" < 1470098159 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that would be "for ryming purposes t t", i think, since it would break my script. < 1470098165 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me feel better about "schaf" ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schafe ) < 1470098174 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what awful pun didn't you make < 1470098194 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean there was a bunch of bad puns anyway < 1470098198 0 :lynn!sid154965@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pqykwtkqrnnqqnvv PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pronunciation advice: say "shachaf-chan" but pronounce "shachaf" all wrong but make the ch in "chan" is a uvular fricative < 1470098220 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!~~~~~ < 1470098222 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynn: We just mangle them in the way that sounds least bad. < 1470098262 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: using shuf -n 1 maybe? < 1470098270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as an ingredient.) < 1470098289 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would likely be "EFnetissä", "Dalnetissa". < 1470098293 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think maybe they were asking about the giant nested if statement, and possible replacements for it? < 1470098309 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :mantissa, exponent < 1470098318 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: oh and -e looks useful too < 1470098331 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if someone is impolite enough to put vowel harmony mismatch already in the original word, we'd probably just get all confused. < 1470098346 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mostly an issue with y.) < 1470098346 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g < 1470098348 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1470098366 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the most likely outcome! < 1470098376 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` `shuf -e -n 1 'echo hi' 'echo ho'` < 1470098376 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g < 1470098380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1470098380 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1470098382 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dälnetissä < 1470098388 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon_: ^ < 1470098396 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkthx < 1470098418 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` for i in $(seq 1000); do shuf -e -n 1 t e s t i n g; done | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn < 1470098431 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: a pun with "pouting" hth < 1470098441 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 272 t \ 169 i \ 153 s \ 146 g \ 139 n \ 121 e < 1470098484 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1470098486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!~~~~~ <-- with that, it feels hard not to make the CH a full trill hth < 1470098526 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go ahead. i do. < 1470098588 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you be pouting nonsense? < 1470098596 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Your initial assumption was that it's on the other two? <-- i'd read somewhere that hebrew stress is usually on the last syllable, or something else i garbled into that. < 1470098599 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too tired to think of anything better than that. < 1470098631 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Hebrew_phonology#Stress hth < 1470098642 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whence did derogatory adjective "scow" originate? twh < 1470098652 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? scow < 1470098655 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp. < 1470098656 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: scowling, I though < 1470098662 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It originated on a scow. < 1470098664 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1470098667 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near Los Angeles. < 1470098690 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470098692 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1470098694 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him. < 1470098696 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by a passenger or crew? < 1470098705 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Passenger. < 1470098708 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1470098718 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470098732 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that entry fails to mention the propensity to lie about etymology < 1470098743 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : And if someone is impolite enough to put vowel harmony mismatch already in the original word [...] <-- Ørjan feels targeted < 1470098755 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and how did you come to be the only other person in the universe to use it? < 1470098760 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: When have I lied about etymology? < 1470098769 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm not the only person in the universe to use it! < 1470098774 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, oerjan uses it. < 1470098779 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being young and impressionable. < 1470098800 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other people also use it. < 1470098809 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i doubt he uses it anywhere but here, thereby not perpetrating it to the wider population < 1470098819 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i didn't see the if statement, but he did say "random". < 1470098831 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe the lispy cow. < 1470098831 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, the ø alone is pretty weird, so. < 1470098835 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you speak English anywhere but here? < 1470098845 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh i didn't see random. also you are far behind the present moment? < 1470098870 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "scow" has a direct translation to Norwegian or German or any of oerjan's other languages. < 1470098968 0 :almightynsx!~JD@2602:306:c472:4749:6dda:fe8e:9625:384e JOIN :#esoteric < 1470098983 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh when did dictionary.com add maps? < 1470099005 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scowl < 1470099008 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "dictionary" and "map" meant the same thing. < 1470099015 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python, for example. < 1470099022 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: map is something you do with dictionaries hth < 1470099121 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map < 1470099122 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> [a] -> [b] < 1470099125 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t dictionary < 1470099126 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: ‘dictionary’ < 1470099211 0 :Zekka!~zekka@167.220.103.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470099504 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1470099804 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Do you speak English anywhere but here? <-- i'm only on two chat channels, really, and the other doesn't have much talk. < 1470099821 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to quintopia from the past < 1470099936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns briefly to the present, before running < 1470100278 0 :almightynsx!~JD@2602:306:c472:4749:6dda:fe8e:9625:384e QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470100457 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470100526 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the section on /r/ in the article shachaf linked is inconsistent on whether israelis prefer velar or uvular. < 1470100560 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, i linked to the stress section hth < 1470100571 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Last I tried I can't distinguish velar and uvular fricatives. < 1470100619 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you need an oscilloscope :P < 1470100650 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but i was thinking of something i wanted to check < 1470100763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway those are voiced fricatives. < 1470100768 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the one in my name is unvoiced. < 1470100778 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured. < 1470100920 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's been discussed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Modern_Hebrew_phonology#Uvular_Fricative < 1470100975 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perhaps they are supposed to be uvular, but this article is about what they actually are, which is velar in 80% of speakers according to Dekel (2014), who performed a statistical study to answer exactly this question." < 1470100994 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure what a velar fricative is. < 1470101019 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it depends on where in your mouth your tongue is blocking... < 1470101019 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what a uvula is. < 1470101029 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do I even have a vela? < 1470101056 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well g and k are velar stops afaik < 1470101158 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :velum=soft palate, supposedly < 1470101186 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's a pretty big region, isn't it. < 1470101321 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaiu the discussion, "back velar" is hard to distinguish from uvular. < 1470101329 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470101646 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION posts on the talk page < 1470101702 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to bring up fixing the error in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_language#Decidability_properties < 1470101708 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470101721 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your job hth < 1470101723 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a serious error, claiming that it's NP-complete when it's really coNP-complete. < 1470101833 0 :Cale!~Cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470101841 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :got bored < 1470101851 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have found a solution to the paradox of the stone, but it's pretty fucking stupid (and still can be broken) < 1470101853 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now im running something silly < 1470101864 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1470101887 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God becomes more powerful as needed < 1470101898 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he creates a really heavy stone that he can't currently lift < 1470101907 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then when he needs to, he becomes stronger so he can lift it < 1470101930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :could he make a stone that he could never lift < 1470101947 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: Terminated < 1470101948 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1470101950 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly, just make it a unmoving object < 1470101953 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1470101954 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1470101962 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not actually, depends on view point < 1470101973 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait! Just use relativity! < 1470101975 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470101980 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could God make an argument so circular that even He couldn't believe it? < 1470101990 0 :idris-bot!~idris-bot@dslb-088-066-188-188.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470101995 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm idunno < 1470101996 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most of my arguments are elliptical" < 1470102041 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone try telnetting to this silly server a few times: 76.1.72.128 5318 < 1470102251 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470102270 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i didn't find the answer to what i was actually looking for, so i have to ask you: are hebrew t, p, k aspirated or not? < 1470102285 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's aspirated? < 1470102320 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a small h sound at the end, essentially. english has it, except after s. < 1470102334 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as does norwegian.) < 1470102391 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :germanic languages tend to have aspirated unvoiced plosives, romance languages tend not to afaik. < 1470102408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've read somewhere that semitic languages can have aspiration... < 1470102454 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some languages, like ancient greek and standard chinese, distinguish stops _only_ with aspiration, not voicing.) < 1470102472 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1470102485 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek also has voicing - three way distinction. < 1470102695 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1470102701 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it only at the end of a word or something? < 1470102728 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@93-231-58-66.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470102741 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly before a vowel. < 1470102790 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470102830 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated_consonant suggest testing it by holding your palm in front of your mouth to feel how much air there is. < 1470102835 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1470102870 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in english, there should be more with "pin" than with "bin".) < 1470102911 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how do you pronounce "p" unaspirated? < 1470102941 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a "b" and just don't voice it, i think... < 1470102984 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also contrast "pin" vs. "spin", the latter should be unaspirated. < 1470103071 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aspiration varies with place of articulation. The Spanish voiceless stops /p t k/ have voice-onset times (VOTs) of about 5, 10, and 30 milliseconds, whereas English aspirated /p t k/ have VOTs of about 60, 70, and 80 ms." < 1470103132 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470103418 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"French,[5] Standard Dutch,[6] Tamil, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Modern Greek, and Latvian are languages that do not have aspirated consonants." < 1470103490 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470103533 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surprised about dutch < 1470103714 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1470103982 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@5.196.225.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470104082 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the article used to use "spin" as the example, but someone changed it to "bin". < 1470104284 0 :_miketo!?@? NICK :miketo < 1470104296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470104448 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470104456 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470104506 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470104520 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470104571 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470104591 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470104644 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh the article used to use "spin" as the example, but someone changed it to "bin". < 1470104648 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1470104661 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: *cough* < 1470104716 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1470104728 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out, shift-* on my keyboard is just next to up-return < 1470104732 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was just sorting out something with my IRC client < 1470104750 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i was thinking you'd got into a bad cycle. < 1470104828 0 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan < 1470104849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!~wibblewob@yakamo.org$##fixyourconnection < 1470104879 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :ent0*!*@*$##fixyourconnection < 1470104895 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :Lilly_Goodman!*canaima@* < 1470105065 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!~grotewold@c-68-50-42-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net$##fixyourconnection < 1470105112 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes freenode didn't keep resetting the times on bans < 1470105129 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need elliott here to do a proper cleanup of the list :( < 1470105150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 bans left < 1470105200 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott the only +F? < 1470105244 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :... apparently it's freenode-staff?!? < 1470105280 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :$a:`0x00 < 1470105288 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470105339 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :$a:silverstream < 1470105370 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470105378 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan < 1470105420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: elliott isn't an op, as he left and got deregistered. however, he was very good with cleaning up the ban list :P < 1470105446 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1470105447 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i have all the authority, i just don't have the skill. < 1470105483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fizzie should be the founder but apparently freenode has a different policy :( < 1470105502 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's the oldest op nick afaik) < 1470105504 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is calling transitions of NFA that match an empty string as epsilon transitions, but a book I have is calling them as lambda transitions instead. Do you know why? < 1470105543 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1470105557 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for what it's worth, I learned them as epsilon < 1470105568 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I never heard "lambda". < 1470105634 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell calls it \& < 1470105640 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book that is calling them lambda transitions is from 1988 < 1470105662 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't believe in books that were written before I was born. < 1470105679 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, because freenode resets the times on the ban list, and also adds new ones at either end, i'm pretty confused about which bans are old enough that they're safe to remove. < 1470105690 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not generalize NFAs further? < 1470105702 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow epsilon transitions, why not allow transitions to be labeled with arbitrary strings? < 1470105789 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be possible to do too yes, and then you can easily convert into the one that only allows up to one symbol. < 1470105792 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1470105818 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can label them with arbitrary regexes hth < 1470105846 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can do that too and then convert them. < 1470105849 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the atoms of the regexes can be NFAs < 1470105863 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can add some turtles to taste < 1470106197 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DFA can sometimes have many more states than the corresponding NFA. However DFA can also be made minimized. What will it be if a NFA has these restrictions: [1] A state can have no more than one epsilon transition leading out. [2] A state can have no more than one epsilon transition leading in. [3] It is not allowed to form a loop entirely of epsilon transitions. < 1470106260 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, what will it be? < 1470106456 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can eliminate epsilon-transitions though < 1470106473 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1470106489 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can eliminate arbitrary string transitions, too. < 1470106498 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470106522 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :76.1.72.128, port 5318. i got bored and made this :P might keep it up just for the fun of it < 1470106696 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1470106866 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is, and I cannot seem to connect either < 1470106922 0 :moon_!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470107032 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? chicken < 1470107038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken is boily af < 1470107047 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you convert into a minimum NFA that has the three restrictions I mentioned? < 1470107111 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you like those restrictions? < 1470107167 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A parser I have designed has these restrictions. < 1470107909 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470108350 0 :almightynsx1!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470108441 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470108732 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-32-109.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470108959 0 :almightynsx1!~JD@adsl-108-71-35-99.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470108965 0 :almightynsx2!~JD@adsl-108-71-32-109.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470108990 0 :almightynsx!~JD@adsl-108-71-32-109.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470109334 0 :almightynsx!~JD@2602:306:c504:d179:2518:b104:83e7:eb44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470109382 0 :almightynsx!~JD@2602:306:c504:d179:2518:b104:83e7:eb44 QUIT :Client Quit < 1470109383 0 :almightynsx2!~JD@adsl-108-71-32-109.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470109510 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470110486 0 :moon_!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470110734 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@24.237.158.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470110782 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470110900 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470111408 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is Strindberg < 1470111426 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Strindberg < 1470112213 0 :moon_!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1470113959 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470115124 0 :moonythedwarf!?@? NICK :moon_ < 1470115843 0 :moon_!?@? NICK :[poke-for-poke] < 1470116352 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@24.237.158.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470116402 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@24.237.158.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470117220 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470117627 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@24.237.158.8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1470117634 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1470117663 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470117836 0 :[poke-for-poke]!?@? NICK :[ctcp-for-yellin < 1470117841 0 :[ctcp-for-yellin!?@? NICK :[ctcp-for-yell] < 1470118370 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470118743 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470119256 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1470120552 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1470120576 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470120578 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1470120614 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470120617 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1470120634 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470120636 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1470120660 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470121093 0 :moon__!?@? NICK :moonythedwarf < 1470121121 0 :moonythedwarf!?@? NICK :[ctcp-for-yell] < 1470121237 0 :bauen1!~bauen1@2a02:810d:1980:1584:e536:38ec:f41e:10cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1470121239 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network went crazy < 1470121241 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :srry < 1470121299 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any computer printer support printing in invisible ink as well as black? < 1470121342 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea lol < 1470121376 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to make the FreeUHS "print" program to support an option to tell it what specials (if any) to use to tell it to select or deselect invisible ink, so that if this option is used, then you can print the contents of the hints in invisible ink. < 1470121441 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such a program can be implemented even if no such thing currently exists, because when it does exist, then that option can be used.) < 1470121532 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-48-196.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing that can be put is to cover up the text and then you can scratch it off in order to read it (like some lottery cards). < 1470121581 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470121590 0 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9840:324:f52e:553d:fb4f:6b44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470121812 0 :centrinia!~centrinia@107-208-218-105.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1470122030 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what would happen if i fed a ethernet switch 2.5v through the data lines, no ossilation or changes < 1470122290 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470122399 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ctcp-for-yell]: If you're applying 2.5v on a *pair*, rather than individual parts of the pair? Not much. < 1470122403 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470122471 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :A similar (but fairly carefully specified) scheme is used in Power over Ethernet. < 1470122504 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would 2.5v ac do damage? < 1470122515 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5V AC would probably ruin the signal. < 1470122544 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :120v ac? < 1470122651 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :120V AC would likely ruin the signal, possibly the cable as well, and might ruin the opto-isolator in the Ethernet switch. < 1470122677 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it'd start it on fire : < 1470122694 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, neon transformer hooked to it lol < 1470122704 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I *think* the opto-isolator is actually rated for a couple kV?) < 1470122715 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc through the insulation on the cable. < 1470122731 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruin everythin < 1470122735 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1470122751 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't even reach the switch, it'd be arcing pretty close to where you hook the cable up. < 1470122812 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to have a good guarantee of destroying a switch you'd need to basically connect all of its contacts up to a Tesla coil or a beefy capacitor bank or something. < 1470122832 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone already said that in ##chat < 1470122922 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the nice things about Ethernet is it's designed to be pretty robust to people screwing it up, from a physical or electrical point-of-view... < 1470122944 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your most likely failure cases are just gonna make the network stop working, not cause lasting damage to equipment on the network. < 1470123273 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470123363 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470123441 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ctcp-for-yell]: if you really want to screw up a network switch, try to make a virus < 1470123467 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably already viruses that pread over ethernet < 1470123482 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on outdated switches a socket into socket cable works sometimes < 1470123526 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll screw up the network it's attached to, not the switch itself (permanently). :) < 1470123579 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ik < 1470123594 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :works on stupid it/big server tho < 1470123662 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also works on my home netwrk :P < 1470123857 0 :[ctcp-for-yell]!?@? NICK :dontctcp < 1470123924 0 :farrioth!~farrioth@122-62-138-191.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1470123999 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhat unlikely that a mains AC waveform will be decoded as a valid ethernet frame < 1470123999 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470124225 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes, but it will likely corrupt any Ethernet frames going over the cable. < 1470124270 0 :dontctcp!?@? NICK :moon__ < 1470124545 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :even at 60 Hz? an ethernet frame is much smaller than 1/60s. < 1470124563 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://devnull-as-a-service.com/ < 1470124566 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will collide < 1470124684 0 :moon__!~AndChat57@tx-76-1-72-128.dhcp.embarqhsd.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1470124704 0 :farrioth!~farrioth@122-62-138-191.jetstream.xtra.co.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Whatever you're doing, it sounds like a bad idea... < 1470124723 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I dunno, I'd be worried about it considering it's adding a 50/60 Hz 120V waveform to a 2.5V AC signal. < 1470124740 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470124757 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@2601:647:4b00:63aa:eade:27ff:fe08:b48b PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That said it probably shouldn't do much more than be noise. < 1470124819 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.name.tld: the domain of the tribush < 1470124865 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, this is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush is _not_ a redirect < 1470124892 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you expect it to redirect? < 1470124939 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :izabera: Well, "Jeb" isn't Jeb Bush's name < 1470124946 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeb = John Ellis Bush < 1470124962 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he should change it < 1470124967 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1470124972 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says so < 1470125593 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebush < 1470125616 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :je suis bush < 1470125632 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...somehow sounds like ambush, so I've immediately discarded the idea < 1470125708 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hppavilion[1]: iirc wikipedia policy is to usually name articles what most people call the subject. < 1470125805 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump <- why is this not called big fat racist? < 1470126144 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it worse to be a big fat racist, or to be a miserable failure?) < 1470126510 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Trump isn't yet qualified as a miserable failure, because he is yet to be president < 1470126651 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether Trump's wikipedia article (see: http://loser.com/) is biased < 1470126657 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like it is, but then again, I'm biased < 1470126677 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trump is a strong proponent of law and order. He has suggested a temporary suspension of immigration to the United States from nations having a "proven history" of terrorism against the U.S. until more precise vetting techniques can be put in place to screen out potential terrorists; he also believes that the quick defeat of ISIS is mandatory." < 1470126692 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little incorrect, because it's not so much nations with that history as it is muslims < 1470126751 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not they have that history < 1470128829 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the ratio of illegitimate births in comparison to the number of total births is high, the number of mustaches within the population drops < 1470128831 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently < 1470128880 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470129189 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they get killed by husbands < 1470129543 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1470129639 0 :Alcest!~alcest@69.64.40.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1470129865 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is mostly for the logs: my vacation to Sweden and Norway starts on 2016-08-05 and ends on 2016-08-17, I'll be barely available during that time. I probably won't be on the internet, or only a little. I might not even be reading email much. For urgent problems, try phone call and SMS, or call my family. < 1470129909 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just send you an owl like every normal person < 1470129967 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: How can I reach your family? < 1470130025 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470130196 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :creep < 1470130258 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1470130262 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that's justified? < 1470130498 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you're a co-worker or family or other person who should know, ask me privately and I can give email and phone number of them < 1470130516 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1470130525 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you might already know < 1470130526 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I didn't realize those folks were in here. < 1470130536 0 :MDude!~MDude@pa-67-234-97-58.dhcp.embarqhsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470130577 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1470130593 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't, probably < 1470130604 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're here, then you probably won't want to reach me for anything urgent < 1470130621 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to tell anything for sure, especially about people reading a public log < 1470130651 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, if you want to meet me, and ask nicely in private, I can probably give my phone number (even if not my family's) < 1470130710 0 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1470130825 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, it's probably not that hard to find a contact for my family on the internet, since some of them has the same last name as me) < 1470130838 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've forgotten your last name. < 1470130842 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's somewhere in the logs. < 1470130869 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, and also on the Internet. < 1470130876 0 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470130931 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the internet, yes < 1470130983 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470133691 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470134768 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably set up a pager for urgent esolangs.org matters. < 1470135465 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened this time? < 1470135509 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, just musing. < 1470135526 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired by b_jonas' announcement above. < 1470135590 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: enjoy your vacation < 1470135941 0 :augur!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470136052 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should HireFly to handle the pages < 1470136762 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470137017 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Faraday cage news... fun. < 1470137048 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` (cd wisdom; grep -ri faraday .) < 1470137073 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470137177 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grep -ri cage wisdom < 1470137223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: invalid option -- ' ' \ Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... \ Try 'grep --help' for more information. < 1470137234 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ``? < 1470137238 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :``grep -ri cage wisdom < 1470137245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `grep: not found < 1470137247 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you are being very slow < 1470137261 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` grep -ri cage wisdom < 1470137288 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/boxmodel:boxmodel is how we figure out how big Taneb's cage is going to be. < 1470137345 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Taneb's cage"? < 1470137367 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure people like cages. IDK. Is Taneb a cage collector? < 1470137379 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to to protect Taneb or to protect the other people? < 1470137447 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously to protect Taneb. If we had to protect the other people, well, < 1470137451 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be impossible anyway. < 1470137457 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1470137463 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously Taneb's cage is a tanebvention < 1470137477 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex. < 1470137491 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: math < 1470137496 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to somehow protect people from the BBC. < 1470137497 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, the Hodge star operator, pointless topology, and histograms. < 1470137524 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn tanebventions: linguistics//Linguistic tanebventions include [...] < 1470137535 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «tanebventions: linguistics» < 1470137562 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the common comma < 1470137569 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now falling out of style) < 1470137590 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: huh? < 1470137601 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions: linguistics < 1470137605 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/Linguistic tanebventions include [...] < 1470137611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470137681 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470137702 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1470137705 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1470137718 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/env/.hg/store/data/canary.orig': Is a directory \ Done. < 1470137732 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does learn/le\rn work? < 1470137736 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1470137740 0 :farrioth!~farrioth@122-62-138-191.jetstream.xtra.co.nz QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1470137740 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn and le/rn < 1470137766 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Normally) < 1470137767 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's le//rn as well < 1470137783 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :was le//rn meant to be used instead? < 1470137788 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's magical) < 1470137797 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybden: maybe! < 1470137825 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about le///rn < 1470137839 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slashlearn < 1470137850 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or le/s/ignorance/truth/g/rn < 1470137853 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sep="/"; [[ "$0" == *//* ]] && sep="//"; [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || exit 1; key="$(echo "${1%%$sep*}" | lowercase)"; value="${1#*$sep}"; [ -e "wisdom/$key" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "wisdom/$key")" && echo "$verb «$key»" < 1470137913 0 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure you mean strength < 1470138097 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old musing at https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html from 2002 is still fucking completely true. < 1470138213 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages-loud < 1470138213 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1470138266 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you seen http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2900/fv02843.htm? < 1470138342 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"PANICKED CHICKEN" < 1470138342 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470138351 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-ello. I'm not a chicken and I don't look like a chicken >_>'... <_<;... < 1470138361 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a sane man! < 1470138382 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mad < 1470138385 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry was censored for being too accurate. < 1470138387 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1470138407 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sarlacc < 1470138409 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarlacc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470138486 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the old version is still there in the PDF hth < 1470138487 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many other people out there prefer the canine version of FreeFall to the colorized one. < 1470138528 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"canine version of FreeFall"??? < 1470138548 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ` < 1470138550 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​` is the prefix to greatness. < 1470138551 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamemanj: alluding to lack of color vision. < 1470138554 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `` < 1470138556 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​``? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470138562 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ? < 1470138566 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? is wisdom < 1470138571 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1470138583 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which cat < 1470138586 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/cat < 1470138590 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that cat < 1470138594 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which ` < 1470138594 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/` < 1470138609 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/` < 1470138610 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$1" | rnooodl < 1470138625 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rnooodl < 1470138626 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnooodl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470138634 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rnooodl < 1470138647 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rnooodl < 1470138649 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' < 1470138653 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1470138654 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo noodle < 1470138656 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodle < 1470138664 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo nooodle < 1470138664 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470138665 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooodle < 1470138675 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1470138680 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1470138685 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the pipe as a \ < 1470138764 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo noooooodle < 1470138766 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooodle < 1470138769 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1470139069 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooodle < 1470139071 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb. < 1470139389 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( s/ancestor/creator/ ) < 1470139440 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( Taneb created Taneb ) < 1470139472 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other people < 1470139608 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de TOPIC #esoteric :Refrigerator | The interdisciplinary strange loop of Esoteric Programming Language Design and Deployment | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf < 1470140609 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net QUIT :Quit: GLOVED CHICKEN < 1470141157 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pokemon < 1470141174 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. < 1470141258 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? p-speed < 1470141259 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p-speed? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142253 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mario < 1470142256 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario is a classic PSPACE-complete problem invented by Nintendo. < 1470142261 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pspace < 1470142262 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pspace? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142270 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pspace-complete < 1470142274 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pspace-complete? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142278 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? completionist < 1470142279 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completionist? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142281 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? complete < 1470142283 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142285 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? completion < 1470142287 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :completion? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142288 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? pocket < 1470142290 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pocket? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142292 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nintendo < 1470142293 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142299 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1470142303 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? problem < 1470142304 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142308 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? solution < 1470142309 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142312 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? solvent < 1470142313 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solvent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142317 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monster < 1470142318 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142321 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops spamming < 1470142594 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? do not put the baby < 1470142595 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not put the baby? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142599 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? baby < 1470142600 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142603 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? babies < 1470142604 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470142778 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470142918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470144863 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee I have an OEIS wiki account... < 1470144871 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now what shall I do with it < 1470145413 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wiki < 1470145416 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is at http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1470145422 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oeis < 1470145423 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oeis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470145435 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google oeis < 1470145436 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://oeis.org/ < 1470145499 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that < 1470145502 0 :ybden!~ybden@unaffiliated/ybden PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1470145559 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want a new terminal emulator < 1470145575 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt is okay but configuring it is literally the worst < 1470145611 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: what? what's so hard in configuring it? I just have a script that starts it with the right command-line arguments and it works that way < 1470145629 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for that one mysterious bug that took days to debug, but that was ages ago) < 1470145908 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: setting e.g. the font requires arcane invocations in .Xresources < 1470145914 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it *sucks* at fonts < 1470145939 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't render the font I like correctly at the size I like < 1470145951 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in general it sucks at picking font sizes < 1470146130 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: no, I don't need to put anything in X resources < 1470146143 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike with xterm, I can give ANY setting in the command line for urxvt < 1470146150 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any setting in xresources if you prefer that) < 1470146192 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put everything in the command line, but putting everything in xresources and perhaps just putting a -name in the command line to choose from multiple configs could work just as well < 1470146266 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, still doesn't solve the problem that a) the configs are arcane b) font config just doesn't work period < 1470146290 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :alercah: how does it 'not work'? < 1470146326 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :feliks: with the font I'm using for instance < 1470146337 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :height 12 pixels is the same as height 13 pixels, which is too small < 1470146347 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :height 14 pixels is good, but underscores don't render < 1470146353 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :height 15 pixels is too big < 1470146380 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use for font rendering? < 1470146389 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt... < 1470146412 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean systems wide. you're not into infinality are you? < 1470146431 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing nothing special < 1470146456 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :what font are you using then? < 1470146461 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid Sans Mono < 1470146488 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coincidence :) < 1470146511 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does your .Xresources/.Xdefaults line look like? < 1470146576 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try: < 1470146585 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.font: xft:Droid Sans Mono:pixelsize=13:antialias=true:hinting=true < 1470146646 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dynamic reconfiguration of settings is the *worst* < 1470146662 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's even smaller O_o < 1470146709 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I set it to 14, it's back to the correct size but underscores are still invisible < 1470146736 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that what you wanted? < 1470146739 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1470146749 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the size it's currently at with underscores actually rendering < 1470146755 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :which appears to be too much to ask < 1470146808 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also consider the fact that the only way to dynamically change a setting, near as I can tell, is to bind a keyboard shortcut to a command to do so to be a major anti-feature < 1470146818 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1470146877 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a look at your freetype config < 1470146930 0 :contrapumpkin!?@? NICK :copumpkin < 1470146935 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I could switch to a better terminal emulator? < 1470146996 0 :feliks!865pg9iakj@unaffiliated/feliks PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever floats your boat < 1470147060 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to mess around with ridiculous arcane configs for hours trying to solve what is a super easy problem in other terminal emulators < 1470147436 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp meh < 1470147439 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (flags == O_TMPFILE) write(1, "TEMP!!!", 7); < 1470147441 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ((fd = open(template, flags | O_RDWR | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, 0600)) != -1) return fd; < 1470147452 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :these two lines produce this in strace < 1470147455 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :write(1, "TEMP!!!", 7TEMP!!!) = 7 < 1470147456 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/tmp/hYnyMH", O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_DIRECTORY|O_TMPFILE, 0600) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) < 1470147476 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is O_DIRECTORY there? < 1470148034 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, the pathname must specify a directory < 1470148040 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess glibc is adding that < 1470148148 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1470148392 0 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470148705 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the closed fibonacci in haskell? < 1470148733 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (+) [1..] -- ?? < 1470148735 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,6,10,15,21,28,36,45,55,66,78,91,105,120,136,153,171,190,210,231,253,276... < 1470148740 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, not that < 1470148760 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah < 1470148790 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by closed? < 1470148815 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: working as anonymous function < 1470148845 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without fix perfectly < 1470148919 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think I know the one... < 1470148980 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470149006 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just can't get it < 1470149011 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh, this is annoying me < 1470149098 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((0:) . scanl (+) 1) < 1470149099 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1470149109 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\(a, b) -> (b, a+b)) (0, 1) < 1470149111 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,1),(1,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,5),(5,8),(8,13),(13,21),(21,34),(34,55),(55,89),... < 1470149139 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think I invented that one, but at the very least I discovered it independently :P) < 1470149213 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? potato < 1470149216 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? potatoe < 1470149223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoe? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470149223 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470149267 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work without fix? < 1470149284 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate is kinda lame < 1470149315 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I should put the entry to potato or to potatoes < 1470149353 0 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, follow your heart < 1470149410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slashlearn potatoes/You are not allowed to take potatoes to Norway without a special permit. < 1470149415 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «potatoes» < 1470149627 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470149740 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470149754 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> read . take n . drop (n*(n-1)+1) . show $ 1000^n^2 `div` (100^n - 10^n - 1) :: Int) [1..] < 1470149756 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1771... < 1470149833 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ouch. < 1470149966 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :but take and drop are typically defined using fix... < 1470149972 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\n -> 1000^n^2 `div` (100^n - 10^n - 1) `div` 100^n^2 `mod` 10^n) [1..] < 1470149973 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,... < 1470150112 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm canary < 1470150116 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470150134 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo wisdom/tan*:* < 1470150139 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/tanebventions: linguistics wisdom/tanebventions: math < 1470150165 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xk3d+hoverboard < 1470150167 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` rm wisdom/tan*:*s < 1470150170 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470150252 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my revert earlier failed) < 1470150283 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ;-; < 1470150550 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION casually awaits OSX Housecat < 1470150772 0 :clog!~nef@66.114.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470150873 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470151067 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? RAR < 1470151068 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAR? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1470151115 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write "`learn RAR is a legal headache waiting to happen for whoever has to embed support for it into their application due to an obscure 'tradition' of MMD model makers" but that wouldn't really be in the spirit of wisdom. < 1470151151 0 :gamemanj!~gamemanj@cpc84817-aztw28-2-0-cust142.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Zzzz... < 1470151156 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :` cat canary # eep, a puddytat < 1470151158 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1470151169 0 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` cat canary < 1470151169 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470151194 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't know why it's empty. < 1470151243 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` ls -la canary < 1470151245 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-rw-r--r-- 1 5000 0 0 Aug 2 14:02 canary < 1470151289 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470151359 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` echo -n ribbit > canary < 1470151362 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1470151550 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/ae8c2e353600/canary may be the explanation < 1470153037 0 :bauen1!~bauen1@2a02:810d:1980:1584:e536:38ec:f41e:10cc PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ":)" < 1470153038 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​":)" < 1470153682 0 :baordog!~bob@static-173-56-120-23.nycmny.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470153733 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado JOIN :#esoteric < 1470154027 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah! I got an answer to my question from more than a week ago < 1470154030 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was whiskey < 1470154094 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a month ago, actually < 1470154117 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a useful bit of information < 1470154134 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot) < 1470154323 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I asked what drink Faye bought, because it's unclear from http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3257 and the previous few strips < 1470154386 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I think I would've known that. < 1470154404 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably in the logs < 1470154410 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone gave guesses I think < 1470154418 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check how accurate they were and who won < 1470154515 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/16.07.05 < 1470154627 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: okay I didn't know... I just assumed by color. < 1470154673 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from the context it had to be something strong < 1470154753 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the regular pentagon doing? < 1470154770 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I didn't think much about it recently < 1470154780 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to prepare for the vacation, which takes most of my remaining time < 1470154789 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(together with work and other usual stuff) < 1470154801 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm just asking because I brought up that game the same say as you asked the question about QC < 1470154802 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I found out that you can't take potatoes to Norway < 1470154827 0 :b_jonas!~x@russell2.math.bme.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you're recommended to take a passport, which is less surprising) < 1470154939 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, today's 5th panel would be... "That didn't occur to me, please hold the fort while I take care of those bastards." < 1470158449 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470158456 0 :Zekka!~zekka@216.206.111.130 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1470158504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470159062 0 :Kaynato!~Aedile@cpe-75-187-129-201.neo.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470159949 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1470160041 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :`le/rn nundrum/A nundrum is the categorical dual of a conundrum: a problem whose solution is useless. < 1470160045 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@162.248.166.242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned «nundrum» < 1470162014 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1470163780 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:ec6c:cd7a:d719:6735 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470165284 0 :augur_!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470165316 0 :augur!~augur@2601:640:8001:4222:ec6c:cd7a:d719:6735 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470165688 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470165965 0 :S1!~S1FeHa@ip5f5ad5b8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470166192 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1470166620 0 :deltab!~deltab@ds6266.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1470167041 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo JOIN :#esoteric < 1470168015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1470168084 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3875:fd4b:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1470168533 0 :miketo!~miketo@unaffiliated/miketo QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470168999 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:3875:fd4b:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1470170046 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38b7:8a26:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1470170265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470170315 0 :augur_!~augur@c-67-160-198-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1470170473 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470170572 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470170610 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1470170772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470172131 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470172650 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470172766 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470172880 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470172889 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1470172909 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I brought up my huge bag from the basement so I can pack in it for travel < 1470172919 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just some dust or paint on it < 1470172929 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the light it turns out there's actually MOLD GROWING ON IT < 1470173433 0 :alercah!raedford@unaffiliated/alercah PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1470173643 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38b7:8a26:de85:deff:fe55:967a QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1470173915 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: buy a new suitcase < 1470173932 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dispose of the old one by fire < 1470174073 0 :S1!~S1FeHa@ip5f5ad5b8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy new mold. That one has a bag on it. Eww. < 1470174236 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could grow because the basement has barely any air circulation < 1470174431 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does traffic change orientation in the chunnel < 1470174449 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a helix that switches the left and the right? < 1470174479 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving on the left side of the road makes no sense < 1470174488 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither does writing from the left side of the page < 1470174524 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer writing downward < 1470174545 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there pathfinder nerds in here? < 1470174557 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space probe? < 1470174559 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the other channel the other day I was talking about the old puzzle of why mirrors flip things left-to-right. < 1470174576 0 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the role playing game system < 1470174591 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they flip things front to back, not left to right? < 1470174602 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That answer is correct but incomplete. < 1470174646 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your mirror self writes with the opposite hand < 1470174658 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only on opposite day. < 1470174673 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I dunno, but I also don't understand why some mirrors zoom and distract your face. people keep using those, but those are confusing and I hate them. < 1470174686 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use only non-zooming flat mirrors which don't distort < 1470174686 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean distort? < 1470174689 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :distort, yes < 1470174730 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470174737 0 :orin!~oren@ec2-52-2-213-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: it's for magnifying the blemishes on your face and allowing you to obsess oover them < 1470174747 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind distorting mirrors. < 1470174754 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My face is already distorted in the opposite way. < 1470174755 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the bathroom I have two cupboards with mirror on the door, so basically I have two movable mirrors that let me look at even the back of my face, even without flipping left and right, < 1470174763 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're the only way to see myself as I truly am. < 1470174771 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I have a handheld mirror for when it helps. < 1470174778 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never look at mirrors. < 1470174786 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't get photographed. < 1470174802 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't look *at* the mirror (except when cleaning it). I look *through* it to my face or body or clothes. < 1470175124 0 :jaboja!~jaboja@2a00:f41:38b7:8a26:de85:deff:fe55:967a JOIN :#esoteric < 1470175804 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1470175915 0 :int-e!~noone@static.88-198-179-137.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1470176289 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: do you remember how you connected your bot to DOS 6.22? < 1470176297 0 :S1!~S1FeHa@ip5f5ad5b8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: S1 < 1470176301 0 :atrapado!~atrapado@unaffiliated/atrapado QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470176305 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to write a experiement that connects to DOS 6.22 :P < 1470176310 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: sure < 1470176313 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the virtualbox Serial < 1470176330 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't start it up now, but I can answer questions < 1470176334 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1470176364 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd you connect it to the Bot, and what language (the language is just so i can judge how hard it would be in js, which im using) < 1470176433 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: I connect to the virtual machine's serial connection, which DOS lets you use as the terminal for all programs that access stdin and stdout. < 1470176481 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bochs emulator exposes this serial terminal by connecting it to... I don't quite remember, probably the master side of a pty terminal? < 1470176493 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you set up the serial connection? i know that DOS can use ctty to connect to COM < 1470176551 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I used the ctty command to redirect stdin and stdout and stderr there, and I used a command-line program from norton utilities to set the parameters of the serial connection from DOS, although I think you can also use DOS's MODE COM command for that < 1470176579 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mode matters only partly, because I think bochs actually lets data through it faster than a real serial terminal hardware would permit. < 1470176600 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the mode might actually be mostly ignored, except perhaps the number of bits per character. < 1470176638 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see http://bochs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/topper.pl?name=New+Bochs+Documentation&url=http://bochs.sourceforge.net/doc/docbook < 1470176645 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im using virtualbox >_> < 1470176651 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1470176655 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill figure it out eventually < 1470176658 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which mode I used, the socket or the pty < 1470176663 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the socket, that's easier to set up < 1470176674 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: I think virtualbox can also expose the serial terminal to you somehow < 1470176724 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I must have used the pty mode < 1470176876 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, checking the source code, it turns out I actually used the socket mode < 1470176936 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, virtualbox doesnt like me with sockets < 1470176971 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't take this as good practice < 1470176979 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my script is old and half-broken anyway < 1470176981 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ik < 1470176982 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1470176992 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to want something like this seriously, then I'd have to rewrite the whole thing properly < 1470176999 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the port im using is closed, to prevent possible, well, unmonitered dos invasions :P < 1470177028 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1470177131 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470177183 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@70-89-65-45-little-rock-ar.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470177299 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1470177547 0 :MoALTz!~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1470177665 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1470179320 0 :augur!~augur@noisebridge130.static.monkeybrains.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470179411 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470179823 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: a single DOS image would work on multiple platforms for bochs, right? < 1470179839 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, can i have a copy of your DOS image? im too lazy to make one on windows :P < 1470180035 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: what do you mean multiple platforms? < 1470180079 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't give you the whole DOS image, it has a whole lot of various software with unclear copyright status. I can give you parts of it if you want. < 1470180082 0 :byteflame!~byteflame@c-71-238-242-230.hsd1.ar.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1470180118 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only need the boot < 1470180120 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1470180125 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easier < 1470180145 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait dont i need a config too? lol, ill adjust it as needed < 1470180186 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see < 1470180235 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, why is the word 'Refrigerator' in the topic? < 1470180277 0 :`^_^v!~nycs@gw.hq.meetup.com QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1470180289 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: please wait a minute < 1470180293 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or five minutes < 1470180315 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1470180323 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wait all day :P < 1470180382 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18e43ef5.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470180702 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1470180775 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: can you give an email address (in private message) I can send it to? < 1470180797 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send you my fancy full-featured dos boot floppy, which I used a lot < 1470180859 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has a lot of software with unclear copyright status (including some of norton utilities and norton commander, some of turbo pascal, some of DOS itself, etc), but it's at least less than the whole image < 1470180868 0 :boily!~alexandre@cable-192.222.252.9.electronicbox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhelloon__, wellob_jellonas. < 1470180882 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone pops up to cause issues, i can remove it < 1470180893 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity it doesn't have the one useful utility on the image of which the copyright status is clear, my DOS version of the joe editor, whcih I can give separately if you want < 1470180894 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously (; < 1470180912 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do :P < 1470181438 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1470181592 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1470181621 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc decided to die on me < 1470181633 0 :izabera!~izabera@unaffiliated/izabera PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1470181690 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1470182097 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wob_jonas: im impatient, is it uploading? < 1470182164 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: sending it now < 1470182168 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just writing an editor < 1470182170 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1470182173 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a description < 1470182181 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need the joe-editor, I can send that separately < 1470182190 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's hard to use because my config file for DOS is crap < 1470182259 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work for noninteractive, thats my big question (Yup, doing a thing) < 1470182272 0 :hppavilion[1]!~Doslowdow@58-0-174-206.gci.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1470182285 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: not alone, you'll need more of DOS to set up that < 1470182291 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: like, you need ctty probably < 1470182296 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this mostly has interactive utilities < 1470182319 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt DOS have ctty by default? < 1470182362 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why did you never writeprotect the boot drive? < 1470182371 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your bot < 1470182379 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon__: so that you can tinker with it < 1470182380 0 :moon___!4c014880@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.1.72.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember we formatted C:\? < 1470182383 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can restore it easily < 1470182399 0 :wob_jonas!59858794@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.89.133.135.148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, the whole purpose of the bot was to be a sandbox you can break