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wob_jonas: what's the cheapest way for perl to invoke an external program and print its output? <-- doesn't anagol make most PLs run without execve permissions? 00:29:24 oerjan: most, but the hello world one is an exception 00:29:30 ah. 00:29:52 * int-e looks at the timestamp 00:29:54 good night. 00:33:01 -!- augur has joined. 00:33:15 -!- ^v has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:48:37 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:55:36 -!- atehwa has joined. 01:04:51 -!- jaboja has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:13:47 -!- tromp_ has joined. 01:16:36 -!- Kaynato has joined. 01:21:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 01:44:33 -!- FireFly has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:57:08 `? weapons 01:57:18 weapons? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:57:31 `cat shr/weapons 01:57:32 cat: shr/weapons: No such file or directory 01:57:36 `cat shar/weapons 01:57:37 cat: shar/weapons: No such file or directory 01:57:39 `cat share/weapons 01:57:40 cat: share/weapons: No such file or directory 01:57:44 `ls 01:57:46 !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 01:57:54 `ls share/ 01:57:54 8ballreplies \ autowelcome_status \ awesome \ candide \ cat \ Complaints.mp3 \ conscripts \ construct_grams.pl \ delvs-master \ dict-words \ esolangs.txt \ esolangs.txt.sorted \ headers \ headers.gch \ hello \ lua \ maimer \ maimery \ maze \ mtg \ nothp \ recipe \ scapegoats \ sedtest \ tanebgrep \ UnicodeData.txt \ units.dat \ usercmds \ WordData 01:59:12 `ls tmp 01:59:13 args \ foo \ fruit \ sh \ spline \ spout \ tempcmd \ testcmd \ tmp_jonas 01:59:47 moon-moon: Where's weapons again? 01:59:56 `cat share/tanebgrep 01:59:56 wisdom/automatic squirrel feeder:Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels. Taneb invented them. \ wisdom/bbc:The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets and tiny elfs. Taneb invented it. \ wisdom/bdsm:BDSM definitely isn't a kind of LARP and Taneb definitely did 02:00:02 `ls src 02:00:02 99.sh \ bf \ bob.c \ brainfuck.fu \ c \ ciol \ ciol.c \ daoyu.c \ egobot.tar.xz \ emmental.hs \ factor-linux-x86-64-0.95.tar.gz \ fizziecoin.jpg \ fueue.c \ grph.c \ hello2.c \ hello.c \ maze.c \ orenbow.c \ pikhqbow.c \ ploki \ ploki-0.6.5.1.tar.bz2 \ u8tbl.c \ ul.emm 02:00:12 `` ls src/w* 02:00:14 ls: cannot access src/w*: No such file or directory 02:00:25 `` ls junk 02:00:26 ls: cannot access junk: No such file or directory 02:00:38 hppavilion[1]: it may have been deleted 02:00:42 :/ 02:00:46 I need a snail cannon 02:00:47 `culprits share/weapons 02:00:54 No output. 02:01:04 `ls tmflry 02:01:05 @ \ brainfuck \ c++ \ C++ \ cat \ esolang \ esolangs \ #esoteric \ fs \ hth \ mapole \ `mislearn \ mycology \ ntitai \ random number \ tdnh \ the meaning of life \ tomfoolery \ wiki \ wisdom 02:01:27 `` find -name '*weap*' 02:01:46 No output. 02:01:52 `` find -name '*weap*'; echo nope 02:01:56 nope 02:02:00 OKAY 02:02:07 perhaps it never existed hth 02:03:47 hm 02:03:51 `ls emoticons 02:03:53 cat \ :-D \ drowning \ flipbird \ gaaan \ gaan \ kyaa \ shrug \ swatter \ useless 02:04:13 not there either 02:05:09 `` find -name '*sna*' 02:05:13 ./bin/snackego \ ./bin/botsnack \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/botsnack.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/buttsnack.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/snackego.i \ ./.hg/store/data/perl-5.22.2/_porting/make__snapshot.pl.i \ ./.hg/store/data/ply-3.8/example/_garden_snake \ ./.hg/store/data/ply-3.8/example/_garden_snake/_garden_snake.py.i \ ./.hg/store/data/wisdom/snap.i \ 02:05:21 eww 02:05:30 `` find -name '*snai*' 02:05:34 No output. 02:05:43 hm it does indeed search .hg 02:05:55 so that means it should even find trace of deleted files. 02:06:11 `buttsnack 02:06:11 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: buttsnack: not found 02:06:40 unless it was in tmp/ 02:06:49 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:09:31 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:10:00 `? userweps 02:10:01 boily has the mapole, oerjan has the swatter, moon has the snail cannon, hppavilion[1] is a motherfucking walrus 02:10:02 hth 02:10:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 02:10:25 (Thanks for the "snai" tip, I wouldn't've found it otherwise.) 02:11:15 ooh 02:11:27 `` find -name '*wep*' 02:11:32 ./.hg/store/data/bin/userweps.i \ ./.hg/store/data/bin/addwep.i \ ./.hg/store/data/jnk/userweps.i \ ./.hg/store/data/wisdom/userweps.i \ ./wisdom/userweps 02:11:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:11:48 `` find -name '*weps*' 02:11:51 ./.hg/store/data/bin/userweps.i \ ./.hg/store/data/jnk/userweps.i \ ./.hg/store/data/wisdom/userweps.i \ ./wisdom/userweps 02:12:07 `hoag bin/addwep 02:12:09 It's been in bin, it's been in jnk, it's now in wisdom. 02:12:14 ` rm bin/addwep \ revert \ revert 1 \ echo -e \'#!/bin/sh\\necho "$2" > "wisdom/$1"\' > bin/addwep; chmod +x bin/addwep \ echo -e \'#!/bin/sh\\necho "$2" > "$1"\' > bin/addwep; chmod +x bin/addwep 02:12:18 oh jnk 02:12:25 `ls jnk 02:12:27 ls: cannot access jnk: No such file or directory 02:13:06 fizzie: however i also recall some unicode, which is not in the wisdom. 02:13:15 I have no idea what this addwep thing was 02:13:19 Or what I was doing with it 02:14:01 oerjan: Do you mean the Unicode for the swatter? 02:14:08 fizzie: no, the snail cannon 02:14:15 Hmm. 02:14:19 I must've missed it. 02:14:27 `? botsnack 02:14:28 botsnack? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:14:31 `botsnack 02:14:32 >:-D 02:14:45 `snackego 02:14:47 :) 02:14:51 oh hppavilion left 02:15:40 possibly it wasn't in HackEgo anyway 02:16:33 0==🐌, but I can only find it in comments. 02:21:27 that it was. 02:29:54 -!- tromp_ has joined. 03:04:15 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 03:21:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:40:51 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:59:31 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:00:49 -!- Zekka has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:02:23 -!- Zekka has joined. 05:25:38 -!- Jafet has joined. 05:30:31 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 05:33:00 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:33:59 -!- idris-bot has quit (Quit: Terminated). 05:35:19 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: upgrading). 05:47:31 -!- Melvar has joined. 06:14:08 -!- Kaynato has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 06:23:18 <\oren\> Now, time to convert the new version of my font and see if Arabic works now 06:31:42 did you work through Arabic? sweet! 06:33:57 -!- tromp_ has joined. 06:34:55 -!- MDude has joined. 06:36:59 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:37:19 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Alas.). 06:37:19 -!- hydraz has quit (Quit: Bai.). 06:38:12 -!- shikhin has joined. 06:38:32 -!- hydraz has joined. 06:38:32 -!- hydraz has quit (Changing host). 06:38:32 -!- hydraz has joined. 06:38:51 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 06:57:29 -!- MoALTz has joined. 07:02:47 <\oren\> fontforge is still chugging along converting my font 07:03:04 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:18:42 <\oren\> My font is now over a megabyte in size 07:21:46 <\oren\> and arabic shaping appears to be working! 07:22:20 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 07:23:42 -!- MoALTz has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:26:07 \oren\: is it sufficient to have four glyphs per each character? 07:33:58 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:34:08 <\oren\> apparently, the forms plus the main character also has to be defined 07:34:25 <\oren\> I put a copy of the isolated form in that slot 07:36:18 <\oren\> so for some letters you need five, for some only three (because some of the letters don't have all separate forms) 07:38:20 <\oren\> I aslo added some more chinese characters 07:38:24 <\oren\> 戒戚戯戴戻房扇扉払扱把抑 07:38:24 <\oren\> 抗抜択披抱抵抹押抽拉拍拐拒拓拘拙拠括拶拷 07:38:24 <\oren\> 挑挟挨挫振挿捉捕捗捜据捻掃掌排掛控措掲描 07:38:34 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 07:39:06 hi everyone! are there "adaptive data structures", i.e., which can change from array to linked-list or to binary tree depending on access patterns to it? 07:45:54 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:02:41 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 08:04:17 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:21:12 -!- augur has joined. 08:21:21 I wrote a Universal Hint viewer that can be use with Linux do you think it is useful for you? 08:22:47 zzo38: As in UHS? 08:22:51 Yes 08:23:15 It might be. 08:23:58 Pictures and sounds and incentives are not implemented, but it does implement links and nested hints. 08:24:49 http://sprunge.us/IQZB 08:26:58 I may add new features later on, and possibly also additional programs for doing print-out and for compiling a hint file (I don't know how the checksum is calculated, although as far as I know, all of the open-source UHS viewers don't care, so it shouldn't be that important to implement). 08:29:57 You can tell me if you have stuff to add, either contributed code or suggestions. 08:33:58 -!- tromp_ has joined. 08:34:36 I reverse-engineered the 91a stuff myself; the 95a stuff I found information from other sources. 08:39:06 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:02:51 I'm reading about Helter Skelter 09:03:03 And... wow, this is unbelievably bullshitual 09:15:47 zzo38: I haven't used UHS in years. 09:16:00 Don't they have a JavaScript version? 09:16:36 I wrote my own JavaScript version; as far as I know their version is only DOS, Windows, Macintosh, and Amiga. 09:18:30 -!- hkgit03 has joined. 09:20:19 And the program to write the hint file is only for Windows, they say; also to compile into a usable file is apparently you have to send the file to them. 09:21:26 But the website supports JavaScript viewing. 09:21:43 -!- gamemanj has joined. 09:23:27 Maybe it does, but that is not a standalone program anyways. 09:46:54 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:03:51 -!- almightynsx has joined. 10:06:38 I wrote an UHS-to-XML thing in Perl once, too. 10:07:51 Remember the days of UHS? 10:10:25 I think it is good idea, although 95a adds some junk such as it doesn't seem such good idea for them to use a different format for the text of nested hints than normal hints, or to have text in the binary area, which uses another different format; what is that? The 91a format makes sense though. 10:14:38 Question. will anyone be in regards to help me? 10:16:12 To help you with what? 10:18:15 (2:16:33 AM) almightynsx: Im looking to index the internet. any ideas how i can somewhat do that for myself? 10:18:15 (2:17:16 AM) almightynsx: the most I have found ia alexa.com wikipedia:portals and glossaries 10:18:15 (2:17:36 AM) almightynsx: I need more ideas on how i can idex the internet for myself, opinions anyone? 10:18:15 (2:17:44 AM) almightynsx: index* 10:18:33 portals* 10:19:15 I just copied and pasted. let mr ask this way 10:19:58 Is there any way I can methodologically index the internet for mysefl? 10:20:06 The internet cannot really be fully indexed 10:20:17 of sourse 10:20:21 course* 10:20:39 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:20:41 but maybe I can index it myself just on an overview or what there is on the internet 10:20:49 zzo38: gopher 10:21:25 "Link Everything Online"... oh the memories. 10:21:29 You can index gopher and whatever internet services you want, but it cannot be fully index by anyone 10:21:30 ...oh the foolishness! 10:21:52 zzo38: oh, apparently Brainfuck As A Service is still running. I forgot it even still existed... 10:21:55 what is gopher? 10:22:03 An internet protocol 10:22:14 can you send me some links 10:22:22 gopher://zzo38computer.org/ 10:22:31 That is one gopher service 10:22:50 gopher://gamemanj.duckdns.org (not much, has two outbound links though) 10:23:36 gopher://gopher.floodgap.com is one of the "relatively within context 'major'" sites 10:23:38 damn I forgot about archie 10:24:32 i tried to access the link but no go. can you explain what this is. 10:24:34 And I think I never knew Veronica... I wonder why. 10:25:16 I wrote some gopher clients such as http://zzo38computer.org/prog/shegoc.zip 10:25:17 almightynsx: you asked for gopher links, and you got some gopher links back. it's humorous, and a bit condescending. hth. 10:25:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol) may be more to your liking. 10:27:35 if i read up on that will that answer my question? 10:27:36 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:28:07 Yes, this one: " what is gopher?" 10:30:51 I'm not sure we're the right people for your original question; on one level it's easy (download pages, follow all links, respect robots.txt) otoh it's really hard (the internet is big and it's a moving target, and most of the stuff on it is highly irrelevant). Also the amount of data involved is quite big. 10:31:15 this makes me laugh typing it but it looks like people have already tried this idea 10:31:35 Really. 10:31:40 wait 10:31:51 Sorry, I've never heard of Google before. Please explain! 10:32:27 the way i have index'd the internet is different than the idea you are all aluring to 10:32:28 Nor Altavista, Yahoo, Bing, Duckdockgo, ... I'm forgetting a few. 10:33:10 You can also enumerate IPv4 addresses... that option will become infeasible when IPv6 was adopted 10 years ago. 10:33:17 i have searched google and wiki and made a hand written list of the sites and categorized them into workds 10:33:40 words* 10:33:40 Oh you're reinventing directory services. 10:34:05 i think that sounds right 10:34:07 This has been tried. Yahoo started out as a directory service. Search engines won. 10:34:16 gamemanj: oh, apparently Brainfuck As A Service is still running. I forgot it even still existed... <- Can you link that, pls. 10:34:22 im not looking to make money 10:34:29 just for research purposes 10:35:06 this changes everything 10:35:17 hkgit03: it's a little subservice of gopher://gamemanj.duckdns.org/ that I kind of forgot about. Don't try accessing it with certain heavily-caching gopher clients (ELinks, etc.) 10:36:12 thx 10:36:39 uh, it seems the floodgap proxy is ignoring "i" chars??? 10:37:11 can someone explain in detail and lamen terms what you are all talking about? 10:37:39 im not as educated on the internet as you all seem to be 10:38:43 what... bash: lynx: command not found ... how have I survived this long? 10:38:44 ok maybe if i link you to the website and idea i would like to create then maybe you guys might understand what i want to do 10:39:00 int-e: it's 2016 10:39:04 http://www.alexa.com/topsites/category 10:39:13 oh, I see what's going on with the floodgap proxy, it seems they expect "i" entries to have supplemental data 10:39:46 for floodgap sites it's "i\t\terror.host\t1\r\n" 10:39:59 izabera: it's my gopher client of choice... because it's readily available on all distributions 10:40:00 Yes, it seems some clients do, even though such supplemental data is not relevant. 10:40:09 int-e: still, 2016 10:40:25 My own gopher clients don't care about any extra data for "i" entries and will ignore them. 10:40:28 izabera: I'm not disputing your factual statement. 10:40:47 well, looks like I'm going to have to "embrace compatibility" via "fixing" my server 10:41:09 huh, someone started a BrainfuckVM process on the server? well, so much for maintenance downtime 10:41:35 yeah now you have to guarantee 99.9999999% uptime 10:41:40 you're screwed 10:41:55 or I could just killJob since there's no permission controls whatsoever 10:42:11 the job ended without having outputted anything anyway 10:42:12 i killjobbed 10:42:17 it was me 10:42:31 i'm disappointed by your attitude towards your users 10:42:41 ...well, true, but it's kind of a tradeoff 10:42:49 anyway, I was talking about job 4 10:42:50 i'll use a different brainfuck as a service over gopher provider next time 10:42:51 not job 5 10:42:54 oh 10:43:04 job 5 is mine 10:43:21 somehow nobody has done the inevitable "kill job 1" 10:43:33 You should just execute the program locally 10:44:29 is there a limit on the length of gopher query strings... 10:44:40 -!- centrinia has joined. 10:44:41 No theoretical limit as to what my server will accept 10:44:57 but if you have issues due to your client, you may have to write an upload script 10:45:03 it's not too difficult to do since this is Gopher 10:46:04 basically you can upload any text that does not contain '\r' or '\n' AFAIK, but I'll double-check the server source 10:46:36 hmm, 11451 characters are too much... but perhaps that's lynx' fault. 10:46:57 yeah, I ended up writing an uploader script at one point to test if the VM could handle "The Lost Kingdom" 10:47:00 My own server does have a limit of 1023 10:47:04 you guys must be old if your offering me gopher protocal advise 10:47:19 what other means are there to indexing the internet 10:47:24 none 10:47:25 Actually the Gopher protocool and HTTP are older than me, so... 10:47:27 gopher is mandatory 10:47:31 *protocol 10:47:39 That is just an implementation detail though; the limit could be increased if needed, but I don't need to. 10:47:48 almightynsx: crawlers and hard manual labor. 10:48:27 oh, apparently I wrote a test VM implementation called "IncVM", which just takes every char given as code and writes it out + 1... 10:48:46 I think that won't be being exposed as a computing service anytime soon 10:49:15 int.. what do you think hard work and crawlers would get me in a final result? 10:54:02 Executive job 6 seems to be dead with no output. 10:54:27 Just figured I should notify. 10:54:40 gamemanj: That's to be expected. 10:55:21 " i have searched google and wiki and made a hand written list of the sites and categorized them into workds", " Oh you're reinventing directory services." => I'm calling that a bookmark list, but yeah. and mine is in a very unmaintained state. I should fix it properly, a lot of links I need are missing. 10:56:49 you know, it really bugs me that Java string encoding functions throw CharsetNotFoundExceptions, but the charset-less versions are deprecated 10:57:12 oh, actually "UnsupportedEncodingException" 11:00:37 hmm, what am I missing about thi protocol. 11:00:57 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:04:25 `learn The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem 11:04:30 Learned 'hydra': The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https 11:04:36 `? hydra 11:04:42 The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.o 11:04:54 oh a tab... 11:04:58 too long 11:05:00 argh 11:05:59 okay, that did it. 11:06:33 ``` sed 's>https://en.wikipedia.o.*>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem >' wisdom/hydra 11:06:36 The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.o 11:06:41 almightynsx: I would expect frustration at the end of that road, but it really depends on you. 11:06:50 ``` sed 's>https://en\.wikipedia.*>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem >' wisdom/hydra 11:06:51 The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.o 11:06:59 ``` sed 's>https://en\.wikipedia.*>zzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem >' wisdom/hydra 11:07:00 The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ zzz https://en.wikiped 11:07:05 ``` sed -i 's>https://en\.wikipedia.*>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem >' wisdom/hydra 11:07:10 No output. 11:07:13 `? hydra 11:07:15 The hydra is at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra0.xhtml , the dire hydra at http://www.madore.org/~david/math/hydra.xhtml , theory at http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-27.1537.html http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2008-03-16.1534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.o 11:07:34 spammer 11:07:51 ``` perl -e 'local$/;$_=<>;print substr $_,250' wisdom/hydra 11:07:52 (each of these responses takes up 6 lines here) 11:07:52 534.ordinaux-et-hydres.html http://math.andrej.com/2008/02/02/the-hydra-game/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem 11:08:07 int-e: when I do that in private, you all complain that I should do them on channel because they're write operations 11:08:24 you could just show the final result. 11:08:26 * int-e shrugs 11:08:44 yes 11:08:49 that could work 11:09:07 not very atomic though 11:10:19 gamemanj: the "Refresh" link in the executive is missing the ?nnn hack. 11:10:30 Ah, really? 11:10:37 that explains a lot... 11:11:45 and the console seems to break lines after 127 characters... a bit inconvenient for the mandelbrot with 128 character lines ;-) 11:11:50 (feel free to kill that job) 11:14:21 127 characters? let me check something 11:14:40 well, it's not being done in the midlayer 11:14:57 oh 11:15:01 wait, I see it 11:15:06 if (newVal.length() > 128) { 11:15:32 [ ping 11:15:32 b_jonas: |value error: ping 11:16:27 but that should only trigger for lines that are longer than 128 chars 11:16:32 (not including newline) 11:16:44 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:16:54 [ (agr =: [:{&' .'':' _2:#.&.|:\ 0&=) 2<| (+*:)^:10~ (0.1*i._10)j.~/(0.5-0.1*i.25) 11:16:55 b_jonas: .:. 11:16:55 b_jonas: ....:::.... 11:16:55 b_jonas: :::::::::: 11:16:55 b_jonas: ::::::::::::..::: 11:16:55 b_jonas: ::::::::::::::::::..... 11:17:06 [ agr 2<| (+*:)^:10~ (0.1*>:i.10)j.~/(0.5-0.1*i.25) 11:17:07 b_jonas: .::::::::::::::::'' 11:17:07 b_jonas: '::::::::::' ''' 11:17:07 b_jonas: .:::::::::: 11:17:07 b_jonas: ::: 11:17:07 b_jonas: .' 11:17:10 -!- hppavilion[1] has joined. 11:17:17 which mandelbrot? not this mandelbrot probably 11:17:37 I'll just bump it up to 192. If I receive further complaints about console size, I'll just lock it at 80. (The point of the console size limit is to prevent infinite memory usage via console) 11:18:38 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: Upgrading, hopefully successfully this time.). 11:19:31 more on this subject of reinventing directory services?? 11:20:47 Ok, I intend to throw the switch on the GopherServ reboot soon 11:21:35 but I can't actually backup jobs, it's all in RAM, so basically when the server goes down the jobs do. 11:22:02 Could the owners of jobs 5 and 9 please report when they're done? 11:26:00 gamemanj: they're not done (one is a cat, one is a still running mandelbrot) but I'm not particularly attached to their continued existence 11:27:17 Ok, update complete. 11:28:08 Brainfuck as a service is now compatible with the floodgap client, the Refresh antianticache bug has been fixed, 11:29:02 ...not much more to say, really 11:29:27 i error.host 1 11:29:56 "compatible with the floodgap client" 11:30:12 you mean the floodgap gopher proxy? 11:30:13 but it did start the program nonetheless 11:30:19 hkgit03: yes 11:33:09 executive job 2 is taking a while 11:33:38 CPU on the server is fluctuating between 25 and 75 percent 11:33:53 -!- boily has joined. 11:34:18 ...of which Java is taking up 5%? 11:35:45 -!- tromp_ has joined. 11:36:36 also, since the VM now uses the first line of the console as a program name, your mandelbrot is called "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDDDEGFFEEEEDDDDDDCCCCCCCCCBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB" 11:37:57 -!- centrinia has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:38:53 gAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmellomanj! 11:39:25 nice name 11:39:45 hellokgit03. 11:39:50 hello 11:40:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:49:25 gamemanj: obviously if CPU usage turns out to be a problem feel free to kill the job. I won't submit it again. 11:49:56 no, it's not 11:49:57 it looks like it'll be running for a few hours. 11:50:27 as long as you don't submit, like, 20 copies of it all running at the same time, 11:50:28 it'll be fine 11:50:44 since right now it's only managing 5% usage 11:54:03 Do we have a bot here that speaks lisp? 11:54:11 Or scheme 11:54:35 FreeFull: we can install something on HackEgo if necessary 11:54:37 fungot: are you a scheming bot? 11:54:38 int-e: so whats this place all about then? 11:54:54 `gcl 11:55:01 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gcl: not found 11:55:13 `racket 11:55:14 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: racket: not found 11:55:19 FreeFull: and I have an interpreter for a very tiny lisp-like language in like 30 lines that I've uploaded to jevalbot a few times, but that's like tiny 11:55:22 `guile 11:55:24 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: guile: not found 11:55:28 `clisp 11:55:30 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: clisp: not found 11:55:41 `gprolog 11:55:42 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gprolog: not found 11:55:43 `mzscheme 11:55:46 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mzscheme: not found 11:55:49 `bigloo 11:55:50 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bigloo: not found 11:55:52 `swipl 11:55:53 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: swipl: not found 11:56:14 `Picat 11:56:15 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Picat: not found 12:00:59 FreeFull: you'll probably have to install something 12:01:11 although wait 12:01:21 FreeFull: I think there's something on some other channels 12:01:25 like #scheme or something 12:01:31 does it have to be on #esoteric? 12:01:51 * FreeFull shrugs 12:02:21 FreeFull: ask the #scheme people, maybe they can help 12:02:47 do you count tcl as a lisp? :-) 12:03:45 `tclsh 12:03:48 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tclsh: not found 12:03:58 `` ls /bin/* 12:04:02 /bin/bash \ /bin/bunzip2 \ /bin/bzcat \ /bin/bzcmp \ /bin/bzdiff \ /bin/bzegrep \ /bin/bzexe \ /bin/bzfgrep \ /bin/bzgrep \ /bin/bzip2 \ /bin/bzip2recover \ /bin/bzless \ /bin/bzmore \ /bin/cat \ /bin/chgrp \ /bin/chmod \ /bin/chown \ /bin/cp \ /bin/cpio \ /bin/dash \ /bin/date \ /bin/dd \ /bin/df \ /bin/dir \ /bin/dmesg \ /bin/dnsdomainname \ / 12:04:09 `` ls /usr/bin/* 12:04:13 /usr/bin/[ \ /usr/bin/2to3 \ /usr/bin/2to3-2.6 \ /usr/bin/2to3-2.7 \ /usr/bin/a2p \ /usr/bin/addpart \ /usr/bin/addr2line \ /usr/bin/aot-compile \ /usr/bin/appletviewer \ /usr/bin/apropos \ /usr/bin/apt-cache \ /usr/bin/apt-cdrom \ /usr/bin/apt-config \ /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates \ /usr/bin/apt-ftparchive \ /usr/bin/apt-get \ /usr/bin/aptitud 12:04:33 `apt --version 12:04:34 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: apt: not found 12:04:40 ``` echo $PATH 12:04:42 /hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin 12:04:44 `` apt --version 12:04:45 /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: apt: command not found 12:04:49 `` apt-get --version 12:04:52 apt 0.9.7.9 for amd64 compiled on Nov 16 2013 12:41:41 \ Supported modules: \ *Ver: Standard .deb \ *Pkg: Debian dpkg interface (Priority 10) \ Pkg: Debian APT solver interface (Priority -1000) \ S.L: 'deb' Standard Debian binary tree \ S.L: 'deb-src' Standard Debian source tree \ Idx: Debian Source Index \ Idx: Debian Package Index \ Idx: 12:04:59 boily: we can download stuff directly from the web, even binaries 12:05:12 `` apt-get install fortune-mod 12:05:15 W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory) \ E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? 12:05:20 beuh. 12:05:48 b_jellonas! 12:08:12 b_jonas: No, I wouldn't count tcl as a lisp =P 12:08:22 `` ls bin 12:08:26 ` \ `` \ ^.^ \ ̊ \ \ ! \ ? \ ?? \ ¿ \ ' \ " \ @ \ * \ ؟ \ \ \ \ 1 \ 1492 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 8ball \ 8-ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ addquote \ addtodo \ aglist \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ arienvenido \ as86 \ aseen \ asm \ autowelcome \ bardsworthlist \ before \ benvenuto \ bf \ bff \ bienvenido \ bienven 12:08:50 `` bienvenido 12:08:52 ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.) 12:30:28 -!- boily has quit (Quit: PEARL CHICKEN). 12:34:08 * hkgit03 looks at the mandelbrot file. gamemanj: So, the program's still running? 12:36:35 -!- tromp_ has joined. 12:38:30 *refresh* Well, apparently. 12:38:51 gamemanj: Can jobs be deleted and if so, only by you? 12:39:53 hkgit03: it's running this program btw: http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/utils/mandelbrot/mandelbrot.b 12:40:03 thx 12:40:17 hkgit03: there's an "options" link that can kill a job... works for everyone 12:40:39 ... well I should say "options submenu" 12:41:03 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:41:24 Done. 12:41:28 -!- hppavilion[1] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:41:33 (with mine, of course) 12:41:43 * hkgit03 has no job anymore 12:52:30 anybody can kill or interfere with anybody else's job 12:52:55 you people do whatever, I'll be busy laying down in the nice cold weather out 13:28:30 -!- Jafet has joined. 13:58:58 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:59:20 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:08:14 -!- Melvar has joined. 14:13:18 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 14:27:33 -!- tromp_ has joined. 14:33:31 @metar lowi 14:33:32 LOWI 251320Z 02006KT 330V050 9999 FEW030 SCT050 BKN100 25/17 Q1019 NOSIG 14:34:53 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:42:49 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:44:11 -!- MDead has joined. 14:44:29 -!- Froox has joined. 14:47:04 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:47:06 -!- MDead has changed nick to MDude. 14:47:39 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:50:16 -!- idris-bot has joined. 14:59:40 -!- `^_^v has joined. 15:02:55 -!- miketo has joined. 15:04:48 -!- Kaynato has joined. 15:12:10 how do i get the mountpoint of a file? 15:15:23 izabera: oh, that one is tricky. df filename usually tells. 15:15:36 in c <.< 15:15:47 `` stat -c %m bin 15:15:51 izabera: what OS 15:15:54 linux 15:16:06 stat: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory \ /hackenv 15:16:08 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:16:18 `` ls 15:16:23 !\.´ \ advice \ bin \ canary \ candide \ cdescs \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls \ misle \ out \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ ps \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ theorems \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom \ wisdom.pdf 15:16:34 I'm not sure then, check what df does maybe. 15:16:37 stat: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory <- UHM 15:16:50 It's a bit hard to do this reliably, finding out about mount points is all sorts of fragile. 15:18:34 Basically, you can try to iterate upwards through directories for which one is a mount point, for which there are multiple crazy heuristics (see http://blog.schmorp.de/2016-03-03-detecting-a-mount-point.html , the traditional heuristic is checking the st_dev field of stat, but that might not be the best), or try to get info about mount points from /proc/mounts or from /etc/mtab 15:18:45 \ or try to get info about mount points from /proc/mounts or from /etc/mtab 15:18:50 -!- hkgit03 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client). 15:18:52 but none of this is completely reliable 15:20:57 -!- LKoen has quit (Client Quit). 15:42:25 izabera: sysfs? read /sys//mounts for your view of the filesystem 15:43:19 `` cat /proc/self/mounts 15:43:24 rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 \ none /bin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/bin/ 0 0 \ none /usr hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/usr/ 0 0 \ none /dev hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/dev/ 0 0 \ none /opt hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/opt/ 0 0 \ none /lib hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/lib/ 0 0 \ none /sbin hostfs ro,nosuid,relatime,/sbin/ 0 0 \ none /lib64 hostfs ro,nosuid,relati 15:43:28 -!- tromp_ has joined. 15:46:40 lol yes, procfs. thinko 15:47:33 why is there a /proc/mounts and a /proc/self/mounts ? 15:47:49 presumably mount namespaces 15:47:57 -!- tromp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:48:03